yes and the war of words between the united states and pakistan which is now escalated with a senator suggesting a military attack stay with us for the. welcome they loan or shall we all get the real headlines with none of them are saying we're going live in washington d.c. now it's not going to take a look at new economic figures that show that jobless claims went down this week all reports are claiming that this is a clear sign that we're not headed towards a double dip but can we really say anything like that when europe's debt crisis is still unsolved then the war of words between the u.s. and pakistan is now escalated to a u.s. senator suggesting a military attack so are things worse than ever or is this just the same old political game between our two countries and we constantly document on this show the erosions of our civil liberties under the obama administration but one legal

scholar is now arguing that he is the most disastrous president for civil liberties in u.s. history that is that true mike riggs going to join us to hash it out we'll have all that and more feet and i could in a dose of happy hour but first take a look at what the mainstream media has decided to miss. all say we all woke to the news that another terrorist plot here on u.s. soil had been foiled by the feds it was an american citizen with planned on flying remote controlled planes armed with explosives into the capitol building and the pentagon. agents say rez one for a plan to use remote controlled model airplanes wanted to blow up the u.s. capitol building and the pedagogue but rez one for deuce is in federal custody right now charging al qaeda style plans now these models which are about the tenth of the size of a real plane would have been filled with a plastic explosive undercover agents busting for dos as he waited for delivery of

what he thought included grenades machine guns and explosives he took pictures of his targets how close was this guy to carrying this out. how close was he to carrying out the operation well considering that the explosive devices were out of the full control of the f.b.i. i'd say not very close you see the part of the mainstream media conveniently chose to pay very little attention to this entire case was that once again this was a plot the receive generous help from the f.b.i. generous because the suspect himself could never been able to afford the explosives or even the original trip to washington d.c. to spoke to scope out his target had the friends not decided to fund this you see they were posing as al qaeda operatives and now listen could this man really be a bad guy somebody who deserves to spend time in jail yes very possibly but the question of the mainstream media always chooses to skip is would he have done it without the feds setting up and making it all possible now the increasing number of

terrorist plots of the feds claim to foil which are in fact set up by the feds themselves that's something we documented on this show it's something that mother jones did a lengthy investigation on in which we also covered here and it just brings up the question as to whether our authorities are really stopping terrorists or helping to create more of that and that's a question that's worth being asked it doesn't mean you support terrorism you don't want everybody in this country to be safe but when you consider the fact the homeland security spending has ballooned to four hundred seventy billion dollars over the last ten years that we have to start asking if those insane costs are worth it if the resources are being used properly or if some of this is you know. more for the p.r. because you know that every single one of these foiled incidents then transfers into calls for more funding while lone wolf extremists are and should be a concern is it really take four hundred seventy billion dollars to get them just remember that doesn't include the cost of two wars or shadow wars or two hundred twenty billion in enhanced expenditures from states and the private sector these

are real questions in our society today the financial effects the effects on civil liberties that are all a part of our post nine eleven society but the mainstream media they never bother asking they never bother putting q. and two together they take what the author already say they regurgitate it they help to perpetuate the ever expanding security state and then they move on critical thinking that's what they choose to miss. it's now day thirteen of the occupy wall street protests and arrests have risen to eighty seven including a web editor from metro focus a p.b.s. program who found herself arrested himself excuse me arrested while doing a story about citizen journalists and it's now become clear the word around the occupy wall street movement is continuing to grow now we are one of the first to report on this protest taking place right in the heart of new york city but we're now seeing other networks pay attention to what's happening m s n b c has decided to tag on with of course the help of people like michael moore. the main reason

people are down here is to reclaim their future not the past not even the present but the future has been stolen that's just how greedy these people are here on wall street. and actors and filmmakers are the only ones that are drawing attention to this writers like rolling stone's matt taibbi pointed out on keith oberman program while the movement is still small momentum is continuing to build and there is a real tension potential to see a much larger crowd here in the future. the reality is that there's a lot of real anger out there and it's the movement is growing organically i think just because people know that there's something to protest now and they're coming out and all these people are distressed and there is enough real distress and desperation out there that this could transform into a real where where there's enough really angry people to scare people and. now the movement is growing and with two large labor unions expressing their support for occupy wall street it's business insider reported the teamsters have declared their

solidarity and the new york transit workers union has also voted to support occupy wall street now the new york transit workers union consists of individuals who are it for airlines transit and utility companies and it represents over two hundred thousand members and retirees and twenty two states for the protesters of occupy wall street have expressed their solidarity with the teamsters local eight fourteen who have been locked out by seventy's after labor dispute so what the unions officially signing on think that's fair to say the influence of occupy wall street is only continuing to grow and we should also note here the progress has been made on the members of law enforcement that are being accused of police brutality number this video of women at the protest being corralled and then pepper sprayed. last.

night during a press briefing yesterday the police commissioner announced an internal investigation into the officer who actually sprayed the protesters that's inspector anthony belong it now and why pretty union leader roy richter defended the officer saying devaney inspector bill and his actions that day were motivated by his concern for the safety of officers under his command and the safety of the public however when you look into his record you're going to find past civil rights offenses and below and he was working at the two thousand and four republican national convention so i think it's pretty safe to say that an internal invest. that's the least the n.y.p.d. should be doing in this matter but as protesters are being brutalized by police and the ranks of occupy wall street continue to swell across the country a video that was uploaded to youtube shows that some people on wall street aren't concerned at all they're actually just watching the protestors and sipping on champagne was.

a good thing. you know i can't think of a better way to show the growing gap between the elite and the other ninety nine percent of america but the calls and corporate greed are spreading and the movement while small in size for now is growing by the day so you know that we're going to continue to keep our eye on it. now new economic figures came out today showing that new claims for jobless benefits fell by thirty seven thousand to a seasonally adjusted three hundred ninety one thousand that is a five month low and that's much better than the four hundred twenty thousand that economists were expecting you can add to that news from the commerce department that u.s. gross domestic product grew at an annual rate of one point three percent last quarter compared to the previously reported one percent and everybody is treating this like it's really really good news numerous reports have suggested that this data means another recession isn't in the cards can we be so sure is there a giant elephant in the room with the media is ignoring here it's called the european sovereign debt crisis although some hopes are renewed today in the german

german parliament approved an expansion of the bailout fund most economists still say that it won't be enough so joining me to discuss it is our chief financial correspondent lauren lyster warren thanks so much for being here tonight thanks for having me on the show where we get into the bigger picture here. is there at least some good news here when it comes to g.d.p. growth i would say with g.d.p. growth and with the drop in the jobless claims that we saw last week it's being spun as good news because it's kind of the news cycle that handles everything on a day to day basis but when you put it in context no it's not great news alone i mean one point three percent g.d.p. growth when you look at the average of what the u.s. has averaged for g.d.p. growth since one thousand nine hundred seven it's three point two eight percent or something so it's far below even the average and when you look at jobless claims ok one week they went down a little bit a little bit big what that does nothing to the bigger picture of the weak jobs market i mean just yesterday ben bernanke the federal reserve chairman was saying this is a national crisis talking about the jobs saying that the number of long term unemployed

is forty five percent of americans that is the forty five percent of the unemployed which is unheard of essentially and if that isn't good enough for you as evidence i mean a new report from c.e.o.'s came out saying that they expect more layoffs in the next six months than they did for the prior quarter so no i wouldn't say this is good news especially when you compare this to other recoveries from other recession. jobs and it's just so much worse than other recessions when you look at it that way but so is this a symptom of the media coverage you know one of these things that happens when you only choose to focus on these weekly reports and ends up being you know this roller coaster i feel like that doesn't really take into account what else is going on around the world and especially if we talk about europe in the crisis that's going on there so today stock markets calm down a little bit some hopes are renewed because the german parliament decided to go ahead and go on with this bailout fund but they're not the only ones right how many other countries have to sign on well they're not the only ones and they're not out of the woods even if this bailout fund does go through because it's for

a fraction of the amount that could be the amount that it is out for default in the eurozone i mean two trillion dollars is what could be defaulted upon in the eurozone and that's a conservative estimate this bailout fund i think is seven hundred billion dollars germany has approved it and you're right there are other countries that have and there's a handful of them that still need to but germany is the big deal because it is the largest economy in europe it is really the only country with the cash to bail out these countries that are really strapped in sovereign debt crises so that is a hurdle but no it's by no means saying that the eurozone is it all out of the woods even if this bailout fund does go through and you point to the interesting issue of the political issue in the euro zone where you are you have all these different countries that have to agree on policy and there is no political unity in that regard everybody has to vote separately and of course i think you know there might be a little bit of resentment there too but there are some countries in the euro zone that are much poorer still even greece if you talk about you know slovakia and choose to bring them in they don't want to vote for a bailout fund because they're saying you know we don't have as much money as

greece actually does are there any developments by the way in terms of the talks of the rumors of perhaps the group countries doing something here i haven't heard the latest with the brics countries what came out of the i.m.f. meeting i believe was that they they wanted to put more money through the i.m.f. but that they did not decide to do a bailout a big buy up of euro bonds i don't know the latest as far. is what exact rescue they have planned but i know that that portion of it was shot down but they were talking about giving more money through the i.m.f. for some kind of a bailout i want to look at a graph here that actually came out of a citi group report and you know i think this really puts it into perspective these days as to how intertwined our economy is with the european economy so this shows the correlation between u.s. quarterly g.d.p. growth and that of the largest european countries and so the correlation here has risen to above seventy percent in the last ten years from less than twenty percent in the prior ten years and i think that's a pretty incredible sign that means that in the future there's no such thing as

america having a great year and europe not so much that we're always going to have to be even on some terms that correlation does speak volumes as you mentioned in economist attribute it to the connections in trade and the interdependence there as well as the impact of the financial crisis which obviously hit both of them very hard and the interwoven financial system which you kind of are touching upon absolutely a european debt crisis isn't just a european debt crisis because european banks are affected they are running low on capital or they are exposed to this debt but then so are u.s. banks because they are exposed to the debt or their ex they insured the debt that is on these banks books so there is this contagion effect that absolutely intertwined the united states and europe and absolutely i don't think there would be a situation where europe contracts in the u.s. thrives in fact you could argue the opposite if you talk to some people some economists believe that actually all of this europe crisis is taking attention away from the u.s. is a problem so if you're

a bachelor got their house in order that could be when you see the u.s. dollar decline as people some believe it should be. i think it's all over the place you know because we constantly talk about the fact that nobody here in the u.s. is really paying attention to exactly what's going on in europe and how it's going to recall down to them but i think it definitely goes both ways now i want to bring up to another announcement that bank of america made. today which this stuff just irks me is you know they don't really irks me that ok i may have america caused them or i just can't believe it i'm not here is angry as i am what happened is so died for a financial reform was passed and so this put a limit on the amount that the banks can charge when you when you swipe your debit card but of course what the banks have to do as in tell you we're going to experience such drastic losses here is that we're going to have to make the consumers start paying more so you can forget about free checking for each i think is something that's slowly becoming a thing of the past and now bank of america has said that they're going to charge five dollars a month just for having a debit card i feel like this is ludicrous why all this and you know why it won't

end because of the way our system is set up companies one hundred percent if regulations come down the pipeline they can pass them on to customers which is what all these banks were crying about when dodd frank was going through and when it was passed and it is a by product but what are you going to do you know not clamp down on the banks already people say that dodd frank doesn't go far enough at all and yeah we pay the price as customers i don't understand why warren buffett can't pay for our five dollar fee instead of just investing in bank of america put that money towards us warren well you know i actually saw twitter exchange today and this is something that i read tweeted because the president had sent out a tweet saying we really need your five dollars because the fund raising deadline is coming you know for the presidential presidential candidate and someone just tweeted back ask b. of a because you know they just got five dollars from from a lot of people out there but those are the small little battles i guess that you know we the consumers are going to keep losing here at home but it is really important to continue looking at the bigger picture even though these weekly

jobless claims might look. i still say that you know the chances of a possible double dip recession are not just going to based on these claims laura thanks so much for joining us tonight thank you. and still ahead it's happening again upset over conditions inside a california prison something mainzer once again on a hunger strike. many of the details only come back and u.s. pakistani relations are deteriorating but can we expect this game to change in the skies that just not. sure is the same or different if you should be sitting on the mark when the united nations body in search of a mission often derided as a competent and ineffective deal when it is also accused of. wealthy british

selling all. the time to. go to. market why not. find out what's really happening to the global economy with mike's cancer a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines kaiser reports. few months ago we reported to you on a hunger strike sweeping through prisons in california the strike started in northern california in the pelican bay state prison or prisoners stopped eating on a protest for better treatment they specifically requested better treatment for those and a security housing unit that's a prisoners are held in isolation for long periods of time and those confined to sh

you are often held in a six by ten foot cell for twenty two hours a day and only a few of those prisoners are allowed out into the yard for a very brief period every day now is something that i spoke about back in july with a former inmate just listen to the way that he describes the conditions in solitary confinement that facility. prisoners who are incarcerated in pelican bay and ice are in pelican bay i should say. actually do not see the sun for decades. after three weeks and the health of many prisoners deteriorating the protests and it and a few of the demands were met they got beanies wall calendars and they were allowed to participate in correspondence courses yes after three weeks of starving the most of the prisoners had to show for it or be nice so the prisoners of pelican bay have now an ounce of they'll be resuming their strike and refusing to accept any food the group prison hunger strike solidarity released this statement and said despite claims to the contrary the california department of corrections and rehabilitation

has yet to fully address what the prisoners feel are the most substantive changes outlined in their demands now last time the prisoners were on strike there are many reports that many of them were close to death so is that what it's going to take this time around for prisoners to get better treatment let's hope that it isn't reached that point we're going to make sure to keep you updated on this story. and all the relationship between the u.s. and pakistan has been a tumultuous one to say the least and since the u.s. conducted a raid to kill osama bin laden without informing the pakistanis earlier this year it's only gotten worse but this month this month just might take the cake for verbal abuse coming from both sides on september twenty second outgoing joint chiefs of staff chairman admiral mike mullen testify that the u.s. government believes that the pakistan based economy network was responsible for the recent attack on the u.s. embassy in kabul and he also said that the i.s.i. not only helped the network in this attack but that the latter is a veritable arm of the pakistani intelligence services this is resulted in pakistani officials saying admiral mullen it's resulted in pakistani talk shows

discussing how to react if the united states were to attack but why would they were think that the u.s. would attack is that just more anti-american media bias well maybe it's because a u.s. lawmakers have begun beating their chests and suggested doing just that. the idea of pakistani intelligence agencies supporting terrorism as a national strategy needs to come to me and it destabilizes afghanistan they're killing american soldiers if they continue to embrace terrorism as part of their national strategy we're going to have to put all options on the table including defending our troops. so are the u.s. and pakistan really on the brink of some kind of war or is this just how the game between the two will always be played when we discuss this is robert farley assistant professor at the university of kentucky patterson school blogger lawyers guns and money robert thanks so much for joining us tonight now you and i have

discussed the u.s. pakistan relationship many many times and i feel like every time there's some kind of war of words going on every time people are asking is this the worst it's ever been because the language seems to be more heated or seems to be escalated now you have senator lindsey graham talking about perhaps you know americans defending themselves military action against pakistan is that the worst it's ever been. it's pretty bad i think that senator graham is being pretty irresponsible and he's not knowing where you this irresponsible in terms of foreign affairs. for republican but that kind of you to say. this combined with the statements from admiral mullen and of course the activities of the how can a network of which the i.s.i. is clearly related to yes i mean it's not good and there's a lot of. unfortunate work on the other side too especially coming out of the pakistani media so i would say that it's certainly it's getting pretty bad and

there seems to be a sense that even though the relationship remains very critical on a lot of levels especially in terms of aid in arms shipments and so forth from the united states pakistan but there were a lot of people in the united states who are really getting twitchy about this relationship and there are already people in pakistan who think that the relationship is too close so i would say you know we're not in a good place right now with pakistan but at the same time you know i mean we're not i don't believe for one single second that we're actually going to go to war with pakistan specially this is a country that has nuclear weapons and you know as you mentioned of course this is a country to whom we give a lot of aid and so i'm wondering if people like lindsey graham say these things because they know that they can get away with it and you know if anything it might just win them a little bit of political capital here at home to put on that tough face. because absolutely is that the possibility of direct military action to the u.s. government and pakistani government is extremely unlikely of course we know that

the u.s. government is already waging it with war in pakistan with drones and occasionally with special forces but we're never going to see a dramatically open hostilities between the u.s. and pakistan i do suspect that with senator graham saying something along these lines that we may see pakistan becoming a larger part of the presidential campaign especially on the republican side where we may see some of the republican gendered it's making sort of what you suggest these just opening statements about stand. that. rhetoric like they're going to attack rhetoric like that will be replayed in pakistani media president obama will have to answer it in some fashion but the more responsible elements of the. most folks will get it it's a republican slate will have to answer and some question and so i think we're going to see more rhetoric and that rhetoric may eventually have an effect on policy oh well since you brought it up and this is something that i've discussed here on this program you talk about chest thumping and what our political candidates might say

you know those that are running for president the g.o.p. side do you feel like any of these people aside from ron paul who i think actually gets it do you think they have any idea what they're talking about when it comes to foreign policy when you hear the answers that they give on afghanistan i feel like pakistan has even been mentioned yet. it's not good that we we should remember that a lot of presidential candidates don't know of a lot about foreign policy george w. bush didn't know much about foreign policy bill clinton didn't know much about foreign policy i mean george h.w. bush is the last real expert on foreign policy to be elected president. you know jon huntsman who has about the same chance of winning the nomination as ron paul obviously knows a lot about foreign policy but he's not going win the nomination. and so i think it's absolutely right that you have to we have to look at the advisers of these people. who are telling them what to say i. run and win the presidency but the candidates themselves don't know that much i

don't like. yeah unfortunately i am with you there but maybe it's normal but it just makes me it makes me a little bit nervous makes me a little uncomfortable inside now you mentioned earlier of course one of the statements or at least the statement that anonymous officials have been trying to walk back that came from matter all mine was that there was a very close relationship between the i.s.i. and between the colony network something that everybody kind of already knows so then what do you make of this push you know or rumors at least of the state department to put the kani network on a list of foreign terrorist organizations this is another one of those examples where it's somebody who at one point was a friend now you want to turn into a foe. whether they were friends at one point back doing during the years of the soviet war or trying to some extent and there clearly are so many i do think that the terrorist list in this case and what about the cases is simply used as diplomatic weapon and in this case it may be useful to use it as a as

a diplomatic weapon against pakistan. you know i think that it's probably a little bit too much to say that because you know work is really an arm of the i.s.i. i think. probably tries to keep the hook on the network on a leash but my suspicion is that they would try if they ever try to yank they would find it because he's a lot more independent than they really expect and i think they're probably a little bit afraid of the whole counties as well now if we look at the situation in afghanistan it's not going well right now in fact the u.n. just put out a report yesterday that said that violence across afghanistan has increased by thirty nine percent since this time last year and that's something that by the way you know i still have troops and nato are trying to. not to except they say they have their own figures and they don't believe it but how much you know some of this grandstanding the tough talk is really a bit of desperation here on the side of the u.s. because let's face it at some point we do have troop withdrawals coming up and it's becoming more and more clear that pakistan has a lot of power here. i think that's

a big part of it i think that there's a lot of concern no matter what we do accomplish if we can accomplish anything in afghanistan that can be undone by pakistan incredibly short order because pakistan's right there pakistan has a tremendous amount of influence and pakistan shares in a way that we really don't but conversely i think that that's one reason why you're not going to see a complete breakdown and u.s. pakistani relations. the u.s. is going to threaten rhetorically otherwise pakistan but it really needs pakistan to stay on board at least a little bit with the u.s. project in afghanistan even as that project is winding down and so that's why i think we're going to see something like the f. sixteen transfers and upgrades and so forth cancelled or the aid cancelled and so forth we're going to see a lot of bluster but maybe not complete rupture so frenemies will have to stay at this point has enforcing it is it is one of those relationships or both sides are depending on the other robin thanks so much for joining us tonight. thank you for

having me. if president obama has killed. the mission. couldn't take three. three. three. three stooges free. free media.

continues. one of the few remaining strongholds. democracies that says they have contributed to the. first spaceflight.