zooming into orbit is trying to step up its own space program with plans for an even more ambitious project the launch of beijing from space. those are the headlines here on our team my colleague matt will be back here in about thirty minutes with a full look at your news but right now it's back to our washington studio for the show. it's time for show intelligent program the last time you wanted your take on the growing protests the occupy wall street as cities like boston and chicago are all starting to form similar groups like the ones we see now york so we asked if you thought this could be the beginning of an american spring that's going to produce a patrice in a sense you to find out what you have to say. so people believe occupy wall street is just the beginning of a revolution a grassroots movement that started on september seventeenth is now spreading to different cities around the country october first you have occupy los angeles on

the seventh the occupy san diego other protests are spanning across the country from chicago d.c. kentucky to use to what does this amount to an emerging american spring or are the numbers still too small kid thinks within an exception of a few walk goes americans will lack the backbone to sustain a long protest rafique on the other hand says indeed it is just the beginning the corporate news media how to minimize reporting on the demonstrations countrywide but social networks facebook and twitter make up the difference and more michael told us as far as this being the beginning of an american spring i really don't know but i will say that the system is so deeply corrupt that it will take something pretty historic to make any fundamental changes to the system and added an american spring will not happen because the hard back is that if the revolution came today it would be very violent just like all revolutions of the past and americans are too scared to fight a war with the big banks and then there's music two thousand and eight america is

a good country if you're rich so no one knows for certain if these protests can ever turn into anything resembling a spring but one thing's for certain the seeds have been planted and demonstrations while still small have begun to take root. well as always thank you for responses and here's our next question for you earlier in the show we spoke about the souring relationship between the u.s. and pakistan and some tough statements from our politicians about bipartisan support for protecting america from our friend or me but is all this just talk let us know what you think with the u.s. and pakistan ever really go to war you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and you know as your response just like me down here. the line will come down. so why are these singing. ok we have a glimmer of hope and it comes from the efforts of consumers to protect their

privacy see last week g.m.'s on star service sent out a new terms and conditions of use form to their customers one part of the new form people the wrong way and rightly so the on the second page it read unless the data connection to your vehicle is deactivated data about your vehicle will continue to be collected even if you do not have a plan it is important that you convey this to other drivers occupants or subsequent owners of your vehicle i know you might be thinking if you choose to be in on star customer are you signing up for this already well think of all the people who buy new cars and get that free one month trial period all those people who aren't planning on being in on star subscriber would still be monitored on the new policy that would monitor non on star subscribers was set to go into effect in december but it was met with significant public outcry the media started spreading word customers shared their anger and even some politicians from capitol hill frowned upon the move senators al franken and chris coons sent a letter to on star saying on starr's actions appear to violate basic principles of

privacy and fairness are on star six million customers we urge you to reconsider these decisions we also urge you to better inform your customers of these ramifications now senator chuck schumer even called on the f.t.c. to investigate on star's new agreement but alas it looks like g.m. service paid attention to the anger linda marshall on stars president issued this statement this week. we've listened and have decided we will not make the proposed change to our policy when it comes to keeping a data connection to your vehicle should you decide to cancel be on star service. so would you look at that on star actually listen to the public service frank it includes are pleased and said that this was the right move by the company but really surprises me is that the company listen to their consumers think about all the companies of the road that concept of privacy right out the window cell phone providers social media sites because finally put their foot down they demanded on star do the right thing and it worked this time so to me that's

a true glimmer of hope. and the erosion of our civil liberties in the ten years since nine eleven is a topic that we've covered often on this show especially the continuation of this the roshan under the obama administration the same with ministration the promise to uphold the rule of law while he was still campaigning to be president is an administration that's decided not to prosecute anybody from the bush administration for torture that hasn't closed guantanamo bay and instead signed a formal policy for indefinite detention and an imminent administration excuse me that placed an american citizen on an assassination list without any due process which has continually used the state secrets privilege in courtrooms their push for warrantless tracking with g.p.s. devices and the list can go on and on and on not but aside from continuing bush policies and damaging his own track record has this president actually killed the civil liberties movement that's a legal scholar jonathan turley argues and a new op ed that appeared in the l a times he says that obama may prove to be the quote most disastrous president in our history in terms of civil liberties so is he

right or discuss this with me is mike riggs associate editor at reason i can see mike thanks so much for being here and i thank you. like i said this is an we talk about all the time you and i was spoken about it there's no question that our civil liberties are being eroded but why do you think that it's missing from the general discussion that you see now just on t.v. when people are having debates or in presidential debates yeah i question i was sort of thinking about it on the right over here you could obviously like divide up who's responsible you could talk about the media who is sort of has this like soup of the day type thing when it comes to their coverage you could talk about the size of the federal bureaucracy and how difficult it is true all the stuff back and you can talk about both democrats and republicans not really a core group of sort of a large one who have made all of this about national security which is basically the most effective selling point any politician ever has on their own security

definitely seems to be a big one i mean you know i yeah i think that fear plays a large role because then people become more complacent if you if you scare them so much and tell them that this is for their own good but in that sense you know if we look back to the end of the bush administration there was a movement going on there was a lot of anger and it was yeah ordinated anger and so here came candidate obama who actually promised that this country where by by the rule of law again he played right into that civil liberties base and now he hasn't followed through with any of that if anything he's just made it worse and so did he actually you know kill the civil liberties movement like this professor is arguing i think turley's he doesn't specify this is l a times opinion piece but i think he's right about obama having done reparable full damage to this argument at the federal level and so far as i mean democrats won congressional democrats won in two thousand and six on arguing that not specifically civil liberties but the point on a movie was bad that the iraq war was bad all this stuff we still have all that congressional democrats are still basically supporting all that stuff so i think in

terms of saying like how are we going to roll this stuff back at the federal level i think that's really difficult i don't think the battle at the local level has been lost but then again the issues are totally separate i mean at the state and city level you're not. worrying about extraordinary rendition or torture you're worried more about you know whether or not you know farmers can sell on the pennsylvania maryland border can sell across state lines so on terms of the federal level i mean i don't want to be like too pessimistic but i also now i can't i don't want any instance i think of something that the federal government rolled back big of a huge overarching policy that was shown not to work after a cost benefit analysis show me one where they rolled it back well so we can finally we don't torture people anymore but you know there is that we have a lot going on very americans now we just use proxies now but yeah we are still sore is going to the only thing that yeah there's a suspended habeas corpus for a lot of people down at the base in cuba you know so i don't know and i think the reason this is going to change we have a if anybody was going to change it was going to be obama because he he ran his

campaign on a lot of ideas that don't bring in fundraiser money right so he sort of benefited from there some synergy with this bush hatred a lot of it around the war and national security stuff and then obama sort of stepped up to the plate and said like all these issues that don't bring in money i mean labor unions bring in money for the democratic party middle class people you know public sector employees those people bring in money that a libertarian anything there's a little money things don't bring in money for anybody it's not a coalition and this stuff is not going to come up for congress because unlike looking at environmental regulations or the health care bill there's a lot of players on both sides that with a ton of money they force this stuff and why that's why is this kind of the first thing to go you know just when it comes to people so i think if you think about our constitution everything in this country is supposed to uphold civil liberties play a really large role of that but like somebody like yourself for example i mean i think that the left here is doing a miserable job and i don't know if it's you know this worship of obama just as the person as turley's are going to be saying it's not about his policies anymore they

just worship the character of obama and so they model him wherever he goes but for libertarians and what's more important to you your. economic viewpoints are going to go from or somebody you know that goes on with it goes along with the policies you believe need to happen in order to fix the economy or just in general or through your civil liberties really matter i feel sometimes like it's a false choice i mean our government again from a libertarian perspective is really good at suppressing both of those things at the same time i mean they're really good at implementing regulations that theoretically are bad for jobs because they create create all these burdens for small businesses at the same time they are really good. you know using drones putting out you know like they can't they can do both at the same time i can object to both the same time i would say i think turley is selling obama supporters short their chief concern right now and going to november two thousand and twelve is making sure that he gets reelected because even if they hate him and some of them do by this point or dislike him

a lot he's still for them the lesser of two evils so i'm not sure that this is there's definitely a cult of personality on the left i think that cold like meats and somebody's stroller. you know in the florida panhandle it's not well probably not florida but it's not a big prize i think you would honestly be surprised but you know one thing that says what i think is true is the in the past we've always had this moment where we'll go through the dark days right and then there's this thing about as much as the other way and we win more right but it's not it's not going to happen this time around. or i hear it i never i don't know i don't think it will i mean also to be able to push that pendulum back i mean first of all doesn't swing back on its own it requires force prefer belief from citizens you can't push a pendulum you don't see you know there's you know the charlie savage the new york times came with a great story this week saying that you can find out if you're on the watch list the terror watch list for instance so because you can find out you can you also can petition to have your name removed from it and he also found out that people who

had been acquitted in courts could still remain on this list of agents so that they should stay on it so again like there's you know like. opening up the government again i think this may be sort of like a pipe dream as well but bring in more government transparency it would sort of be the first step we'd have to know what's happening who's being sent where how many people are being kept telling the wrong watchlist shouldn't be what happens to these people when they disappear from their family disagree with them all but i'm all about that let us know what's going on mike thanks so much for joining us now thank you. also a common law makers one in one state are going after public employees in their e-mail accounts their actions and then tonight's goal time award and then half the hour peta which uses porn to sell their image has a problem with that the chickens but they think that shark attacks are just how lariats track animal.

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all right it's time for tonight's tool time awards night goes to g.o.p. lawmakers in michigan to the g.o.p. to control the state government in michigan last november they won the state house and the governor's race and they held on to the state senate so during their time in charge in lansing michigan republican lawmakers have had to make a drastic budget cuts to deal with the state's finances and one area that targeted is spending on education lawmakers and cut a billion dollars from school budgets which has caused a massive outcry from teachers unions state politicians voted to cut funding to local schools where schools would just close it even for a break from which. politicians love to treat school employees like punching bags

these days but they were ignoring teachers and school support staff are sharing in our state sacrificing so. now republican lawmakers weren't happy about the pushback in the efforts by teachers unions to recruit new members and this debate comes after another attempt by a conservative michigan activist he tried to use the freedom of information act to obtain the e-mails of teachers in the state and he claimed to be looking for e-mails that mentioned fund raising for teachers unions or lobbying on state computers but the court system stopped the freedom of information act requests so now the g.o.p. lawmakers have decide if you and run around the judge's ruling this week that they have moved vision house bill forty fifty two out of committee and listen to this the bill would prohibit a public employee from using their public e-mail for political campaigning union activities union recruitment and fund raising if you violate the law you could be fined up to a thousand dollars and spend up to a year in jail or both and organizations the violate the law could face

a ten thousand dollar fine so local newspapers in michigan point out the bill actually can't be enforced without modifying the state's freedom of information act which would be you know the way main the e-mails could be acquired through the law now a judge has already ruled that teachers e-mails were off limits to four requests but the bigger question that really remains here is how is the state going to police this new law are they going to hire people by computer programs to read everybody's e-mails you know that costs money and i thought michigan was broke maybe the encouraged public employees to tattle on each other that's going to go over really well and help improve morale i think this is another case of state lawmakers creating petty vindictive laws that completely overstepped their bounds this law is meant to scare the teachers' unions in the public employees into submission and the language is so broad that it would allow for a witch hunt against public sector employees who disagree with the government that's shameful scapegoating so let's hope the michigan house bill forty fifty two goes down in flames but since the g.o.p.

is in charge in michigan i think unfortunately there's a high chance of passing so i'm sure the courts are going to have to step been stop this power grab but the core system can't stop us from giving the g.o.p. lawmakers in michigan tonight. time award. of time for happy hour and joining me this evening as r.t. web writer andrew blake and mike riggs so is the editor at reason magazine and reason dot com hey guys thanks for joining me so you have given like a little glasses nod to each other no yeah ok you know i mean i feel like i'm not one of the cool kids not part of the middle of the whole line. let's talk about peta and how much they suck and are evil human beings so take a guy got attacked by a shark which is a horrible horrible experience and take a look at what he came out with afterwards. you'll see when you thought it was safe

to go back into the water you see a giant billboard of a great white shark with a person's leg dangling out of its mouth. i just think that is the most messed up thing well i planted here i mean didn't they do the holocaust exhibit on the mall not too long. just needed like the holocaust exhibit can jump into a holocaust just areas where all this wasn't horrible this is like they're all it's sort of i'm not going to i don't want to go there but it's anti-human i k i you know i will make sure they're with you i thank you very hard here but i feel like there should be no humans on the planet of animals above humans and the best stuff but the other thing about peta is you know they take advantage of sex sells they use it all the time we have some of their ads i wish we had a clip right now actually where they just have these girls that are performing all kinds of sexual acts with like covers and you know which cities and all that whatever but so it's really ironic that they then took you know i had

a problem with this ad talking. about chicken and how people like to by the way i think of that big is hilarious and really kind of clever and has a lot of character we decided to tweet to our followers yesterday to ask them if they thought it was creepy or sexy or funny and a lot of you were on the creepy side it made me feel weird because i don't think it was creepy at all some of the peta people said it wasn't even sexy but it's just like like an example of necrophilia because it's a oh yeah but this is it's not just some of the peta people that was by the way an article the new york times yeah it was peta is founder and president newkirk who said yeah she said it was like necrophilia said it's downright offensive not only to people who care about animals but almost to everyone it's a pleasure to be headed young chicken in a young what is that young can we just say also that there fetishisation of human suffering is i think. more so probably than you know want to get busy with that you're going out like this without legs sticking out i started mouth you give me

a shovel and some blue and i'll show you some necrophilia you know they're not winning anybody with this is like this is the most interesting thing about this it's like i don't know if like the republicans did medicare and in which they like . executed a bunch of old people is really this is what we need to do it's like so peter i do not inspire any sympathy for me like that i really true that shark screw the chicken i don't care maybe it's because you know who doesn't love animals animals but you just piss people off all the time then i'm going to care enough to let you know i'm going to go buy a fur just because peta exists yeah. ok i'm feeling going to get like a death threat. ok moving on. to regain my composure for a minute check out this this cool really quickly take that for. the school it is so. it's different when i first got here finally it can pass up on me. and i'm

a big harry potter fan eight hundred acres of land you get forbidden for is out there door. all right so this you know really well produced ad is put out to try to bring kids to the school and it's k. through twelve. it looks like hogwarts but it actually cost forty two thousand dollars a year and apparently it was something of a conveniently don't mention in these ads is that it's basically run by scientologists and they make the kids choir to undertake training routines where they sit still for two hours staring into another students face. we do that hair is for a bit in there so as any beyond holding hands so apparently they hate sex which is our to make them lame people what's your take on chicken delphi students courage to tell on other students reminds me a lot of my boarding school and their policies that they had and if you do break a rule you're listed on the golden rod a catalogue of rule breakers hung in public on the door. so apart from shopping how

is this any different from regular boarding school i mean i didn't i didn't i mean i never had to sit and stare at someone's face every part of the hour. facial hair was allowed. whatever it was they were goldenrod all over the place you know there was that you were beat with a golden god spare the rod spoil the child that's why that is something about a rock. but how do you believe that out sorry it's so we're only because like it wouldn't matter if they were talking about harry potter yo gabba gabba or something like that maybe you missed scientology people like told me to turn off with a good reason because they are lunatics little what's going to happen to those kids when they get old don't they have to do that we would like seasteading thing and work and sweat and like tom cruise's lawyer i fear for the youth all right take a look at this clip really quick this is a new show on the style network that just premiered called sperm donor and so in this clip a man is telling his fiance that his past sperm donations have fathered him seventy

children. well that's sort of what i'm getting. the number of least as far as the. closer to seventy. i'm ok i've read that to be a sperm donor you have to go through these really intensive tests if you have like the right personality and the right genes how does that guy pass with. really did you see how he's you know what i would say have questions backgrounds that word tone and manner is a girl who knows we're told he's spurred maybe with college i don't really remember you know you know it's i think it's really i think it's illegal here boarding school at the golden. boy last but also he is basically screwed himself out of a mid-life crisis because he i mean for the rest of his life he's not going be able to sleep with a woman you know twenty years his junior without wondering if he's that baby could this be what is going to be children that are so i'm going to tell myself to

a lifetime of flames you know what that's me your risk taker i live on the edge you know you know that all the only reason has seven children is because he's not a redhead because remember nobody wants to. go out of say they're going to give anyone you know births as a ginger you know how much sperm is in semen a lot a lot and you know the average male ejaculate like hundreds of millions of sperm of that semen. i think yet so seventy reading i remind of the. story next story. we've been covering the occupy wall street protests obviously we have shown you the video many times and i can show it now for the sake of time those poor girls that were corralled that pepper sprayed and you know i think anybody could agree that that's just not cool if a cop did that and that's vicious and brutal but some people found on officer dot com a forum where the police were just love and they were saying dirty stinking hippies in new york don't like how they're treated when they as. one saying those are great

the creaming kids are going to watch some more during football breaks i'd love to see fire whores those employed clean them up and clear the streets and sidewalks for traffic wouldn't want to miss out on the entertainment. you know you're right because you like to think that it was one bad seed that one guy and then you find a whole forum where they're all like yeah come on like this is the internet like any group can seem exponentially bigger as they are agro is in real life because of they're the only no i don't think that's what it's like you know like only people who a rest look i criticize cops like for a living like i write about police brutality for a living i know that there's a like a pathology among law enforcement you know they call themselves a return order of police there's a big us versus them mentality i do think sites like officer dot com there's another one called the wire represent like a minority but it is really scary those guys have guns and like they can for you overlay i agree that's all we've got to say about that to wrap it up but they give you joining me tonight as every night fell thanks for tuning in to make sure

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