but. you. ordinary people are not going to stand for corporate greed anymore and that really getting up to do something about it is one of the many messages behind the occupy wall street movement this as protesters in america follow in the footsteps of those involved in the arab spring so after hundreds of arrests a brooklyn bridge shutdown and allegations of police brutality has a season for change finally arrived in the us. the only way to get the media to notice is to be disobedient you have to start to get people to notice and stirred up is exactly what's going on as occupy wall street gets bigger and louder so with the movement expanding from coast to coast and as inequality has

expanded over the years is civil disobedience now the only way for average people in america to have their voices heard. and from bridging the gap of income inequality to fighting corruption to wall street control over washington tensions continue growing between main street and wall street so as the seeds for revolution are planted we'll explore the root causes behind these protests. video it's monday october third seven pm here in washington d.c. i laurin lyster and you're watching r t well occupy wall street protests continue in new york despite a weekend that song more than seven hundred activists arrested and jailed for marching on the brooklyn bridge today protesters remain camped out in lower manhattan undeterred going into a third week they're standing their ground over wall street riven says now aside

from questions over whether police were too aggressive with the weekends or russ the questions remain about just what we're seeing with occupy wall street is this a radical left answer to the tea party a turning point in american history. we be seeing the start of a true revolution channeling the arab spring but the occupy wall street movement claims to be inspired by and response to the inequality poverty joblessness and corporate power in this country will get to those questions but first more in a fortnight i was there here is her account of what's been going on in new york. a new season in a different nation the arab spring has become america's autumn and on saturday new york's brooklyn bridge reminded many of the teens from egypt to here square. nearly eight hundred protesters were trapped up arrested and jailed acts aus and

activist continues as we occupy wall street demonstrations the grassroots movement is campaigning against social inequality and for influence over u.s. politics in the interim police conduct against peaceful protesters has come into question. just last week and here to the police officer attacked occupy wall street protesters with pepper spray prompting public outrage and an internal affairs investigation many didn't believe that there would be another dramatic confrontation this weekend after what happened last weekend after four women were pepper sprayed while they were corralled by the police after the n.y.p.d. used heavy handed tactics punching some protesters i think many people didn't expect that there would be something like that again this weekend so i answered no reports pepper spray being used there were thousands of people stopped and hundreds arrested arrested activists were charged with disorderly conduct and summons to

appear in criminal court. i found a hundred security staff on wall street determined to continue their fight against corporate domination but you already not agreed to be arrested anymore and the whole entire control of the police state disappeared when that happened there are credible possibilities that are open to us and suddenly you can imagine a different world if you please you can be an agent of change the group says it aims to raise national of clarity and and change. erika's economic disparity occupy wall street describes itself as a resistance movement inspired in part by its counterpart we can follow. the lead of our brothers and sisters all over the world of the arab spring in greece and say that we can see that it's been a powerful message ordinary people are not going to stand for corporate greed anymore and that we're giving up with do something about it. and the reason these

activists are doing something on wall street rather than washington is because they say you have to follow the money begin where the largest campaign contributions donations and lobby groups come from its corporate presidency we were told obama was for change or more nearly four years old. bush again before that it bothered the bush going. over three goes all the way to the president i think this is where they are doing it and being false if it does. it is true that these demonstrators come here with her idea of different messages but what is uniting what unifies them is a growing frustration over the u.s. on a social inequality and corporate influence on us politics these protesters say if america's leaders and it will be the american citizens that stand up for their rights reporting from austria or not r.c.

. and earlier i spoke with allison kilkenny she's been covering the wall street protests for the nation here's what she had to say. from what i gather from other reporters and other journalists right now we're there so that other protesters are claiming that the police. escorted them actually on to the bridge and they were never told at any point to turn around or to stop now the n.y.p.d. directly contradict that claim and that is that they did tell the protesters that they would stop them on a captain i believe at some point use the bullhorn telling them to turn around now if your is about this is there's been video emerging online showing that indeed the protesters or excuse me the please either let the protesters across the bridge or were possibly marching at the front of this group believing that at some point it happened deducible weren't telling them that they would be arrested but it's unclear when that happened but protesters say that a bullhorn the first time open we're not here to lose and so letting had already

been pulled behind them and there was no way for them to retreat so we're of course hearing the contradicting claims right now the n.y.p.d. putting the boot in on protesters on the protesters there saying that the n.y.p.d. actually let them across the bridge a lot of questions and we don't know exactly how that's going to shake out who is going to lead in that p.r. war but it's interesting that the transport workers union is going to court to try to stop the city from forcing bus drivers to transport wall street protesters arrested by the n.y.p.d. of course last week this union voted to support the protesters i'm curious if you think union support is going to be a turning point for this movement yet that's an interesting question and it's an exciting time for the movement because the central criticism. occupy wall street has been that you know they're scattered ideologically they're not very organized and unions are actually known for their organization and their ability to play it

tens of thousands of individuals in a very rapid manner so this could address the central criticism that occupy wall street. has had directed at them so it'll be interesting to see what happens you know the guy you getting involved you as you said so october is actually the big union involvement there is going to be a march and we'll see what happens we will see what happens of course unions are a large reason why we see so many protesters out on the streets in europe and in other countries that have strong union labor movements i'm curious could you touched on the kind of key criticism of this movement that it's disorganized and kind of lack serious structure and policy demands you think covering us i know you talk to so many people out there in the report that all reporter did you have people comparing us to the arab spring drawing inspiration from that how do you see this movement well it's definitely not on the scale of the arab spring of course you know i had posters originally when they put up with. occupy wall street

were expecting twenty thousand people or show up that didn't happen right we have you know two to three hundred individuals who had been occupying the liberty plaza sixteen days now which in itself is a remarkable feat. but you know it isn't her saying that. we we definitely are seeing an arab spring movement right now but that doesn't mean it's not going to get better. because of the youth revolutionary spirit behind it there although i don't want to just say that this is purely a you face movement there are all different types of people in liberty plaza but i do want to address the criticism from the mainstream media that you know what it's gathered ideologically i thought that but when you speak to these protesters there is a sound and it seems you know if the criticism against wall street it is an anti-corporate message they want to get the corporate money out of politics that's the big message so i'm reading time and time again that media is saying that you know we don't know

why they're there and in my mind that's really lazy journalism because if you go down there and you ask people if you do start to get this theme it's not a democratic movement i'm for a meeting that a lot sooner that you know these are little angry liberal jaded liberals there in the bronco supporters there and time and time again i'm talking about and they're saying we don't trust the republicans we don't trust the democrats i heard from a lot of people that they're very angry with her and obama this really is an anti that bush movement and the media doesn't really know how to handle that because they don't have a traditional hierarchy the way it's a purely democratic movement know about absolutely everything they do but when the media shows up may say where are your leaders where are your demands these are really the wrong questions but it's really the only question that the media know how to ask because the media is used to covering these sort of things like a horse race like the politician are you going to throw your support behind when the people say we're not going to recall addition we don't support the party and we

don't have traditional leadership that are really part of the mainstream media norm and i want to get to some of the things you touched upon about it being anti-establishment a little bit later but because you brought up the mainstream media i want to just play an example of some of the attention that the protests are getting because they're finally getting attention by the mainstream media but as you mentioned it's kind of odd the way that they're characterizing i want to play a little clip and then come back you. like woodstock needs burning and needs people with absolutely no purpose or focus and i've no wonder they have nothing to free time to be down there they make up a slogan or a cause as they go along and they're just looking to go out there dirty the streets and they really don't have any idea of what they're doing there wow is that fair. you know in the media lives nothing more. so when you know there is a drum drum circle there you can't deny the fact that there are hippies down there but you know i personally don't hold anything against you know hippies i haven't done as much damage in its country as a goldman sachs. so it's sort of you know

a natural byproduct of having a large i merely liberal gathering you know where it's show up because yes and if you look at profiles. i remember you know the fact that the media just. so of course there are people there who are in a drum circle rush over to them that you can't deny that that is an aspect of this new government but you also can't say that it's you know you're away those. of you in the way of different individuals and lisi journalist don't like to do that review journal it's time to find the craziest person out protests like this and call them that you read ambassador of the entire movement which is really a better and which we've seen with a number of outlets now getting to what you were saying about this being a stablish man and protesters feeling failed by both republicans and democrats and feeling perhaps like they don't have the power that corporations do they can get

all this money to politics and get power as a result one of our reporters looked at if that means that civil disobedience and protesters like we're seeing is really the only way for people to feel disenfranchised to try to effect change and i want to play that report and then we'll come back to dallas and taking by storm. arrested by the hundreds. getting netted and pepper sprayed in the face. spending night and days on the far from welcome the streets of the financial district. that's the price these demonstrators are paying to get their outrage across to those holding reins a financial and political power how many americans make up most of the country don't accept corporate power and the media don't have many options to get their voices heard duty to fix them fight for change in the u.s. are largely getting annoyed and marginalized this artist and activists have been

arrested twice i didn't expect to be arrested i didn't expect to get beat by the police. you know get locked in incarcerated with no. cause for this movement mostly ignored for the first two weeks of occupying wall street people movement started taking tougher measures by getting bigger and louder the only way to get immediate notice is did he disappear. or the people who noticed. the mass arrests had built up popular support for the movement by saying you know them for putting us through some tough with you because it's helping our you know it's bringing more people some have sacrificed more than ours in jail to fight against wall street many people have quit their jobs and have come here that's already happened the corporate media week three into the campout either does not pay much attention here the sunday front pages of some of america's most read

newspapers or ridicules post a form and the substance of the gathering it is equal parts actually body odor and urine they're more concerned with. brainwashing people american idol sports drama and pretty much anything to serve a distraction other than the important issues right now this is. unnoticed but of course elite it's tougher than ever for those against the system to get attention with even some police officers ready to admit this protest is the way. the only. way to deal with. the occupy wall street movement promises to grow in the months to come and history shows that the voice of the people can't be neglected wherever it is those who cannot archie new york so alison i want to bring you back in the conversation and ask if you think that for people that feel the political system is failing and feel disenfranchised is civil disobedience really the only way for

people to get noticed and have their voices heard. yes and it's not just my opinion and talking to people i ask them you know do you happy than either political party and they say no we're chastising you know influenced our politics to the point where it's completely corrupt they just represent the one percenters they don't represent what they call the ninety nine percent which is. so absolutely they feel like this is our wash off and a lot of these people you know they are transient you some of them are unemployed some are home was when i see the establishment media you know making fun of what they're wearing it's the most superficial knob ish form of coverage we could possibly have so neither one of good journalism should be so has as answer questions about the world below them and when i see coverage like what we're seeing on fox news i'm not learning anything and i don't think anybody could learn anything from that coverage we don't understand that motive we don't understand

well why are they dressed that way you know who are these people what interested they represent and the reason that we never get those questions answered is because the establishment media this is a threat you know any time there are dissenters against massive corporate interests like what we see in liberty plaza the social media coverage that is that and really dismissive manner so i think that that kind of coverage from the establishment media will surprise me actually is that the coverage has begun to change since these mass arrests i'm seeing journalists who are normally very disappointing in the kind of coverage going down there talking to protesters and offering them i thought were balanced profile of what's going on there so that's very encouraging and then the question becomes where does this lead because in wisconsin for example we saw thousands of people protest on the side of public unions yet governor walker still arguably won by stripping them of their collective bargaining power so my question to you is is there any evidence that it works. well yeah i mean if the

parameter of success is inspiring other franchises if you will from you know popping up across the country we're already seeing that in chicago and l.a. and sample but in fact it's in the heart of the country we're seeing other occupy movements beginning you know occupy boston is posting photos of their little gathering with the pentagon tags and whatnot so they have wired other movements you know the southwest media originally but the reason we're not covering those protests is because there's not enough people there's not enough prominent people involved and it's too small and it's too isolated but now we're seeing thousands of people showing up we're seeing the involvement of prominent unions we're seeing the involvement of prominent individuals like michael moore susan saranda and mark ruffalo we're seeing these franchises are now prostate cancer and so the establishment media won't be able to be a business of it anymore and can't ignore it anymore we'll have to see if it

amounts to any actual change we certainly appreciate you being on the show that was allison kilkenny reporter for the nation we've been covering these last three protests now it's not just occupy wall street the movement has spread to cities all across the country and artie's own ramon girland was at occupy los angeles over the weekend where he said more than a thousand people showed up hundreds camped out i asked him if he got the sense this was a flash in the pan just you know one demonstration and people camping out for the short run or if he thinks this could turn into something much larger here's what he said. it does appear that this movement is moving from coast to coast we're at the mass in the street here in los angeles over the weekend where more than a thousand people showed up for the event which is being dubbed here as occupy los angeles in solidarity with the occupy wall street protesters now some estimates here in the media put it up words till two thousand people so

a bunch of people here saying that they're fed up with the economic policies that have really led to these economic recession that we're seeing here in america so really a show of solidarity peaceful protests here in los angeles unlike in new york you know and it's interesting when you talk about building this movement building a movement you got a really interesting interview with a protester that i want to play and then i want to follow up if you want to can we can roll that protester soundbite. percocet and the point that people are standing behind are worth around things and i think it's worth it whether we'll be able to see that or not is that everyone is here so she was there talking about revolution and i'm curious you being there did you get a sense that this was just kind of a flash in the pan protest some are the others that you've covered in the past or did you get a sense that there could be this kind of big movement forming that could be a revolution. well and i had this conversation with many of the people at this

protest and and many shared the same sentiments as that young woman that this could be something that just prompts a revolution here in america whether that's a peaceful revolution prefer relief from these protesters who were peaceful but a lot of people are still unsure i mean it seems like there's still some fear over whether people should stand up but what we're seeing is that this occupy wall street protest it's going nationwide it's not just happening loss as a new york it's happened in over one hundred cities now i mean there's going to be demonstrations in d.c. in los angeles throughout this week and in over one hundred cities in america it seems like this occupy wall street sentiment is really gravitating so whether we'll see a revolution like a young woman said it is going to be up to the people but obviously it is a very strong movement that a lot of people can stand behind and if you're talking about

a growing movement some of the protesters we've seen and i know i've seen in a new york i don't know if they were in l.a. too they had signs saying american spraying kind of comparing this to what we've seen an arab spring and even an occupy wall street web site they say that they're inspired by what we've seen in the arab world and the revolutions there did people talk about that in l.a. . oh most definitely laura now a lot of the people that i talk to you mention the middle east a lot of the people got their inspiration from the protesters in greece who are see austerity measures just eroding their way of life and people talked about egypt talked about tunisia and the similar problems that those people were facing when it comes to economic suppression social suppression civil rights things of that nature and they see the similar problems have been here in america but perhaps not to the same degree yet these people see that these problems are global and they really

really draw a lot of inspiration from this and those are the types of people that really do see this as a possibility of an american revolution happening here it's really interesting with something possibly that bag i'm curious i know you were out there were covering us but what kind of media attention is this getting and l.a. from the mainstream i know today at least from what i can see on the t.v. they seem to be most fascinated by the trial of michael jackson's doctor. well that's right lauren over the weekend demonstrations here got minimal coverage some of the news outlets kind of downplayed the numbers and downplayed the significance of it we saw a little bit more coverage of it today that people are actually camping out but it seems like the media is only fixated on the michael jackson on the conrad murray trial the doctor who is accused of killing michael jackson i mean we see media from all over the world yet right across the street there are hundreds of people camped out which no one is paying attention to but it appears that the more they stay camped out there the the media will not be able to ignore in the end and even then

just this morning well we porters from across the country were trying to do their live reports on the conrad murray trial we saw the occupy los angeles demonstrators marched down to the courthouse and with their chance they drowned out the live reports of reporters from c.n.n. and the local affiliates here in los angeles so even if the media mainstream media refuses to pay attention to the message refuses to pay attention to this movement it appears that the occupy wall street protesters and those showing solidarity with occupy wall street are definitely letting their voices be heard. you just jump in front of a reporter's live shot that was our t. correspondent rhonda rowland oh now we've heard a lot about the protesters but what about the reality of the economic issues they're rising up against to break it all down i spoke to business insider deputy editor joe wise and paul i asked him to give me his take on this movement from an economic point of view i asked him with protesters complaints about corporate power

and greed as well as crony capitalism that's the intersection of wall street i guess and politicians politics i ask if they have a point and if we are living in an era of socialism for the rich. to think very much so. you know we be existing sort of too big to fit a lot street institutions in fact it's not just indian and bad eggs today in the sense that there's no way that a large. financial institution it's built without it you know in a way that would be normal and then you know if you've got a thirty of what's happening right now you know we have the crisis in the economy collapsed and now you have like corporate leaders i think saying that the answer is less taxes and less and type of spending so cutting back on you know social safety net and you can see why the people who are hurting are particularly yeah absolutely and when you talk about socialism for the rich have that created inequality because

bailouts went to the banks and not to average people. yet i see it certainly look at the financial crisis we've seen in the club because the well i don't know what the alternative scenario would have been i think god did a large extent the government the right thing during the crisis not retreating goes out of chaotically but the first ration of people is pretty good to make given how much the status quo has been maintained preempts in a crisis and speaking of that and the legitimate claim that your thing are making i want to bring up what mayor bloomberg said and interview because he doesn't think the protesters have legitimate claims it doesn't sound like he's saying he's got the protesters are protesting against people who make forty to fifty thousand dollars a year and are struggling to make ends meet that's the bottom line we all share blame for taking on too much risk not just the financial industry and he seems to

be talking about the financial crisis and you know who are these people on wall street making forty to fifty k. struggling to make ends meet. it was a really bizarre quote that he made was it yeah i was. ever everyone who worked at a bank including despite people who say that this could do something clerical it still would be more than forty to fifty thousand and you know the number the protestors are protesting against i mean i could understand you know the counter images of protesters there to cogent this is the sarah lee and effective tactic that people who they're going against aren't necessarily being affected anyway by this but this idea that they're just totally misguided wrong about everything kind of absurd absolutely i think is something that is it's a bizarre statement and along those lines i'm curious if you think the big banks are getting a little worried why did jamie dimon the c.e.o. of j.p. morgan recently give an unprecedented four point six million dollars donation to

the n.y.p.d. i don't know i'm going to i am i to suspect that there is not that much there are terms of donations like it but it's from just being nervous about a look at the interview because the banks totally should be i mean you can see it you can see it in congress and politicians are way less than anything to support the banks right well and although. the you know the people who are protesting may not have that much actual political clout i think there is a line to be drawn between the protesters and the political climate right now but even if it's kind of the tea party room that is driving it there are threads that connect the ball and none of this is particularly good but you know it's interesting that you brought up congress because i was curious about if you think that regulations since the financial crisis are part of the problem that they have not reined in wall street enough. that's certainly possible and i think you could

sort of make a case today it was an opportunity to do something much more aggressive with respect to breaking down the law or to break splitting them up so that on their own they would be systemically risky i would say the bigger threat to the banks isn't so much the regulation or what not but just you know and bank sentiment the fact that bailouts are not going to be forthcoming that you need again the fact that the fed is on the ropes were screwed me and it was prior to the crisis so the ability for the fed to do come quietly allowed to limits and i think with the threats i don't know i have to say i know the ratings agencies don't think that the banks will get a bailout again but i think that we would have to see if that actually does change i appreciate you for coming on and kind of giving credence to the professor's actual economic claims because you know something about that that was business insider deputy adams are right. and not going to do for now for one the stories we covered that are to die.