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welcome to the lower show at the real headlines with none of the mercy if you live in washington d.c. now it's time to speak the day to day about occupy wall street and take back the american dream conference are they trying to co-opt the movement that after three years of working on it the u.s. and seven other countries signed the anti-counterfeiting trade agreement this weekend in japan so what exactly does that put into law and why is it all been done in such secrecy or you speak to seen at stockleigh mccullough people are going crazy right now rick perry suggesting sending u.s.
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troops to mexico to help fight the drug war we're going to take a look at what everyone is missing like the fact that we've done not before and it still isn't working or you have all that and more fit a night including a dose of happy hour first take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. last friday we heard reports that a u.s. drone strike and killed u.s. born muslim cleric anwar all along and last friday the mainstream media different really seem all too bothered by the fact that their own government had just assassinated the u.s. citizen without any due process no instead they were just showing the official line repeating her bait him everything that was fed to them by the white house like saying that al lockheed had a major operational role in foiled attacks against us and al qaeda in the arabian peninsula in general despite the lack of any evidence for that because they refused to show it to us but seriously guys they took this story really really seriously after all the president had just said that it dealt
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a major blow to al qaeda. one of all kind as top recruiters who once preached at a mosque in virginia and california he was called the internet bin ladin because of his skills of recruiting terrorists online just two of the world's most wanted terrorists our dad. who was killed by a missile from a u.s. drone he was considered one of the biggest terrorist threats to u.s. homeland security and more level off the head of al hide in yemen killed in a u.s. drone strike two predator drones equipped with how fire missiles took out. now what's interesting is that it's only been five days since that happened if the mainstream media has somehow forgotten all about it even if somebody out there did dare to go on c.n.n. for five minutes last week question the legitimacy of the president playing judge jury and executioner all in one barely already stopped bothering them but anyway let's go back over the claims that this is a massive blow to al qaida that al lockheed played
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a major operational role people who actually know what they're talking about have disputed that claim including jeremy scahill right here on the show last week if anything a lot of he was more of a you tube preacher it was his ability to speak perfect english but his sermons online that made him a leading name in this u.s. war on terror but even if you take out the propagandist you think that's going to deal with a major blow you know i'm a stop talking don't take it from me take it from the military that's right according to a new study released by the u.s. military academies combating terrorism center they say that a lot of these death is unlikely to impact in the arabian peninsula as operations in yemen or its desire to attack the interests of the united states they also say that instead the u.s. should focus on taking out the actual operational leaders people like the heisey so basically the u.s. military just proves everything that the white house fed in the media on friday wrong not others have already done this and ignored it but you think that maybe when they hear another official voice doing have
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a bell listen. yet right that did not even make it to the mainstream media today not a single peep so in this case i don't know if they're embarrassed or just that lazy but the obvious truth is what they've chosen to miss. well it's no secret the left has been looking for its own version of the tea party its own populist movement to reenergize the voters so how convenient for the organizers of the take back the american dream conference the occupy wall street is taking off in fact van jones when giving his keynote address spoke about occupy wall street and the fact the marines were going down to wall street to protect them to get the crowd fire out. i mean. to protect.
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you. but do occupy wall street taking back america have anything in common or is the professional left just trying to co-opt it really is a grassroots movement as it is day to day and blogger at firedoglake dot com david thanks so much for joining us and thanks for having me now for starters you've been at this conference covering it tell us what it's like is it really exciting places there oh it's interesting i mean you know last year i think there was this sort of overwhelming sense of dread to get our clocks cleaned in the two thousand and ten elections and there wasn't a whole lot to be excited about and i do think that this grassroots uprising which is sort of been in the ether for a little while now has reenergized the progressive side
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a little bit and given us something to say maybe. about it but how would you compare you know of course a lot of people are describing the wall street protesters as just dirty hippies a lot of young people we've spoken to many people we have reporters there on the ground that are actually you know could show you by video that it's actually quite a diverse group here but how would you separate that because you know the same time they want to be independent they think there's corruption and there's greed that goes from wall street to both parties in washington d.c. and they don't want to become a part of the you know the democratic wing i mean i think you have to separate the attendees of a conference like this from the organizers of it and i think at the attendee level i was at a panel thank accountability. and the moderator asked how many people are are willing and ready to get arrested and every single person raise their hand i mean so i think that there's a sense that this movement and this ability to you know really an expression of
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anger so to say that the economy isn't working for most of us anymore and it's working for the benefit of elite few is something that strongly resonates i think with the attendees of something like i think back to american dream come so what do you make. of these if you want to call them allegations or people i guess hypothesizing thinking about the future just like my happened saying that people behind these take back take back the american take back america excuse me i this conference they just want to occupy wall street movement or for example you have move on dot org that's now getting involved with the occupy wall street movement but this is a lot of big funding yeah i mean i i think there's a bit of a trip to be sure and i think even among the organizers of some trepidation we don't want to turn off. this prairie fire that started the same time you know there have been bank accountability groups who have been doing direct action things like the new bottom line and really fun california
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a lot of these state peace movements and think that they were all well represented at this conference and so you know i don't think that the common criticism of the occupy wall street that they have to have an agenda and a template position paper i think that's a bit of a silly argument at the same time you can easily come up with the solutions or at least some possible solutions to the things that they are you know they have a grievance about like well i mean how we can fix the you know incredibly increasing or constantly increasing income gap here in america how are you actually going to convince the government to go after the wall street bankers and prosecutes and right i mean i think there's some simple bumper stickers it's investigate the banks you know implement a financial transaction tax so speculation. and it is actually you know it's money is taken from it and given to value the broad segment of america you know there are some simple things and a conference like this can generate some of those ideas and whether or not the
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people that are camped out at zuccotti park want to take them or not that's really up to them. but i do think that there's an opportunity for some synergy there and it doesn't necessarily have to be this is adversarial relationship where both sides are looking the it's rather like well we don't want to take your your deal or whatever it is i'm just wondering do you think that people should work within the political process that they should always focus on legislation being what can actually and you know bring about some change or do you have to start removing yourself from it if it is like i said what you know what i believe and what i think so many of these occupy wall street protesters believe that it's both parties that it's the entire government same kind of system here that's corrupt so why would i just paid to have my vote all the time well it's definitely a and electoral base legislative base strategy has not worked in large part i mean this is this is a movement that says that part of the problem is we have a government that is not paid for by wall street banks or corporate interests so no
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is my answer but but at the same time i mean i think something this take back the american dream conference is talking about is that they understand the need to generate some street heat to put pressure because the only way that you're going to sort of counteract you massive amounts of corporate money and influence in our government is through holding your feet to the fire and doing it in a very direct way and i think that that's starting to become something that is broadly shared opinion on the progressive side of the spectrum and i do definitely think that an independent movement that is not tied to a political party is is what. you know majority opinion of people at back problems and throughout the progressive community i mean i think that it's a wonderful thing because i think that so many of the american people really have so much more in common with each other than we do differently you know of course
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it's this part of the partisan. bickering that we hear all the time from the politicians that divides them is the pundits that we hear on the media all the time that divides them so what do we do to keep this independent movement growing you know and from having it become like the next tea party that just becomes a wing of the republican party i was so i don't have every answer to that but at the same time you know i want to believe what i did and yes it wasn't that but one of the best things that is come out of this and it's come out of it online and some of the only online components. of this we are the other ninety nine percent tumblr and what it is is like an endlessly generating series of you know people telling their stories keeping their testimony it's like their michael harrington did a very famous book called the other america nine hundred sixty and it's fire the war on poverty and the great society reforms this is like an endless loop of that is self published you know and if you're talking about what brings us together
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rather than what divides us you see these stories and there's so much commonality in them and all they have to do is present that and and it shows itself that the economy is not working for the broad mass of americans and i think that once you see this and it's so direct and so real youth you finally can break through this divide you know these what you're talking about the things that the parties that everybody should check out this tumblr first absolutely absolutely check it out now lastly you know what do you think about there are certain efforts out there pushes to maybe try to have a constitutional amendment to get rid of citizens united and you know get this ruling overturned is there any chance we might actually see that happen and that's a long term project but i think ending corporate. some good the idea that of course that money equals speech and politics is at the heart of our problems and you know so certainly some people believe that until you get that you're not going to get
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anywhere with a lot of these initiatives certainly on the street legislative strategy and maybe even in a direct action strategy until you stop the situation where politicians get elected by begging very rich people in corporate interests and the leads for money so they can get elected i mean yeah until you in that dynamic you're not going to get very far and that's the theory it's unfortunate that our system works too and a lot of the time we don't even know who it is that they're begging for all this cash which is the one of the huge problems there will be documenting some of that later. this week on the show is he was breaking down what some of these secret donors are david i thank you so much for joining us tonight thank you. also to come another death and also a case goes back before the u.s. supreme court this case hinges on misconduct by the legal team they used to represent the suspect played in a shall i am us sign the international anti-counterfeiting agreement so what does this mean for internet users who download music and videos all around the world on
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a breaking story. let's not forget that we have an apartheid regime right now. i think iraq is needed and wanted well. whatever government says they're very confused safely get ready because the longer freedom.
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you know some lives to see a story and it seems so silly you think you understand it and then a glimpse something else here see some other part of it and realize that everything is ok and you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. you just put a picture of the need but i was like nine years old i just you know lived through. i confess and i am a total get over friends that i love brad because he is like the interest. that he was kind of the jester that. i'm very over the world with
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its employees. all saying the troika underwear bomber is having his day in court or for a bill most law was arrested after his failed attempts at blowing up a plane on christmas day in two thousand and nine authorities say the so-called underwear bomber hid chemicals under his clothing with hopes of blowing up northwest airlines flight two fifty three there are eight counts in all including conspiracy to commit terrorism and attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction. and the qs is going to appear in
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a federal district court representing himself apparently tradition and according to the atlantic unfed it has been a quite a handful and pretrial proceedings they hasn't been much different despite the fact of the trial still in jury selection the twenty four year old defendant had to be excused to change into more appropriate clothing and he had a few outbursts in court declaring that islamic cleric anwar locky is alive despite reports that he was killed in jenin last friday now he's not exactly the powerful proponent for al qaida the critics of domestic terror trials imagine an underwear bomber is just the latest terrorism suspect to be tried on american soil. interesting if you think back to the frenzy that was spearheaded by rudy giuliani in two thousand and nine after the obama administration ministrations said that they were going to try alleged nine eleven mastermind khalid sheikh muhammad in a civilian court and then happen the former mayor said a civilian trial would be the wrong move and that it would deny that the u.s. is involved in a war on terror but barack obama deciding that we're not at war with terrorism any
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longer he was not treated as if it was an act of war which should be treated like. he was not the only one screaming bloody murder human rights first dot org but together this compilation of pundits are getting in their two cents to scare the american people. why did you sign up lower manhattan making it a mess i think it is and i'm nice noble decision at the very least this was a rather gloomy to get yourself for just your united states for you to see the teaching evolution is. that's right this was a huge deal all we heard about was the amount of security that would need to be involved the horrors of trying suspects terror suspects on american soil allowing them to use our federal courts instead of military commissions and thanks to all this ridiculous outcry the obama administration as usual backed down on trying to send the us but weirdly enough a year later. tanzanian who played a role in the bombing of two u.s.
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embassies in africa was tried in federal court in new york city to very little fanfare hardly anyone even noticed the trial was going on just like the trial of the underwear bomber which looks to be as uneventful as all the past messick terrorist trials so at this point the media has barely devoted any coverage to jury selection for a bill of the law and if people haven't started complaining yet i doubt they're going to is it interesting how the media just forgets about covering how scary domestic terror trials are and they're actually happening maybe maybe just maybe that's because they are not scary at all. but after it has officially been signed this saturday at a ceremony in tokyo the u.s. along with australia canada japan morocco new zealand and singapore and south korea all signed on to and anti-counterfeiting trade agreement now the agreement is meant to fight against the infringement of intellectual property rights i mean counter piracy and counterfeiting on a global scale and some critics say impose that recording the laws of the u.s. on the rest of the world and something that's been in the works since two thousand
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and eight and it's come under a lot of scrutiny for starters the u.s. government claims that it doesn't need congressional approval and before some of the drives began to be leaked the obama administration actually claimed that it was a national security secrets so the secrecy here is there some and. others also say that this deprives consumers of their rights and giving big entertainment firms an eye as he's too much power so let's find out more about this joining me to discuss it is c.n.n. correspondent. i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight now we've spoken about apps and numerous times here on this show but he gave us a refresher or i guess finalizer now that we've seen the final language as to what exactly is in this. right i mean one of. the news is that it's final you've been covering this open covering this for a few years now it's a done deal and there were sort of two reasons why people were concerned about this the first was the actual substance of it one of them one of the years that the
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motion picture industry here in the u.s. the recording industry here in the u.s. were trying to act for internationally was to deputize internet service providers and copyrights encourage them to block access to websites that are suspected of piracy so there is a substantial concerns about the treaty and second aspect is the procedural component of it in other words this was done in secret it took a vote by the european union to open up some of the negotiations and so there are kind of these two main reasons to be weary of it and only some of those concerns have been resolved is there anything that you would say that really sticks out here you know that really is worrisome why we are out here are what are we going to start seeing happen other countries that are after somebody who downloaded plenty songs and you know try to get billing millions of dollars out of them for. actually
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the most controversy or portions have been excised from it just because that they just would have slowed the whole process down and so i think the barrackers other side it let me have a lot was better than nothing at all one major component is circumvention and in the nineteen nine he pitched all wanting a calculator here in the us we have this idea that if you try to bypass copy protection devices then like on a d.v.d. or a blu ray for instance now you're at least guilty of assault weapons and you may be a criminal as well now that idea is going internationally but no because we already have that us it's not going to affect what's happening here. but it will affect a lot of other countries citizens of a lot of other countries if their governments sign on to it or talk about the governments that have signed on and interesting that maybe you can explain this to me too because i know that mexico in switzerland their representatives were there but they decided not to sign at the same time we have mostly western nations
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a couple of asian countries you know no brazil no china russia india but if i tell you about it. the jews you know they're the countries and might be a little more sympathetic to iran see. china is not exactly. in the forefront of our cracking down on intellectual property infringement they're a little bit sceptical about this in the legal skeptical of the right reasons of civil liberties ones we discover for the wrong reasons but this hasn't been as well received as i think inspectors wanted inspectors a world by the way. largely the un asked me why this is because the us has such great copyright exports in europe out of there as well one of the good of the good things you know we export a lot of operate some of your own are not exporting is not the manufactured goods but most of the organic ministration in the bush administration had treated this as you said earlier as a national security secret and so
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a lot of criticism was what's going on here if you know people are meeting behind closed doors you almost tend to assume the worst and yeah i guess i find that incredibly mind boggling a business a national security secret although i guess the weight of that isn't astray from the prior administration carrying themselves nothing should really shock us anymore but has already worked why doesn't this require congressional approval maybe for signing something that's an international agreement. if this were a formal treaty then this would require the executive branch to sign on and it would require application by the u.s. senate. because this isn't something that the us needs to sign on because anwar in the final version are lie more or less tracks of the tax to the actor there's nothing a percentage needs to do it's an earlier versions mind you especially the ones like maybe two strikes you're out if you he's internet service providers must disable
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access their phrase was used in earlier terrorist access to materials you know if some of the earlier language was in then it would require a lot of occasions to be us law and action by the senate but as this is kind of on the we're going to symbolically signing it doesn't require the legislative branch to do anything now what about who exactly the backers are i mean we say that the united states is the back and that's because we have so much material with terry author that you know i guess people want to copyright but where the recording industry the motion picture association basically was the big entertainment industry really involved in backing this whereas let's say us the consumers were asked at our. well i mean i guess if you were the obama or bush administration i'll say well we're elected we represent the consumers in reality special interest politics in washington d.c. are very powerful and there are relatively few groups that are going to be taking
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well let's curb copyright law that approach and so i remember reading an article saying there that the motion picture association of america says that actor is over an important step forward. there is public knowledge on the other hand was more skeptical about not knowledge of the civil liberties group but in general on all of the compeer recoups change again or a large copyright holders came together to lobby oppose the bush and obama administrations to go forward this was kind of what some people saw as unseemly and therefore it led to criticism and. that hollywood and its allies lobbyist minions are writing this behind closed doors i ducked and while i thank you so much for joining us tonight i guess after three years of following the story out there it is said that they are thanks. and just weeks after the supreme court refused to
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stay the execution of georgia inmate troy davis they are now set to hear another death row case this time from alabama death row inmate corey maples is charged with killing two men fifteen years ago however that's not what actually brings this case to the supreme court he made his opportunity to appeal his inadequate legal representation because get this his paperwork for the appeal wasn't filed by the mandatory deadline the two lawyers handling mabel's appeal were pro bono out of a new york based law firm and both had moved on to new jobs so when both lawyers moved on to a new job a crucial appeals notice was returned to sender nobody bothered to ensure maypoles and his attorneys were dropping him ultimately causing him to mrs opportunity to appeal now supreme court is going to decide if that means court date should be excused since it was technically an administrative problem that was out of the defendant's control but more importantly here questions about legal representation for death row inmates after they were sentenced to death but birmingham news says the alabama unlike other capital punishment states doesn't provide legal assistance for death row inmates to challenge issues raised after
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a trial such as ineffective counsel so perhaps that's why maples had to rely on lawyers in new york city who agreed to help and mate pro bono and then dropped the ball now as of now maples retain new counsel with former solicitor general general great rijkaard who describes the defendants previously failed legal representation as a violation of the constitution that scar is being reported by the a.p. if a court is likely to side with mabel's and the death row inmate could get another hearing with lower records over his absent attorneys and inadequate representation now thankfully the supreme court gets a say on this issue but this case just goes to show you how truly messed up our capital punishment system is that somebody could refuse an appeal because their defense team drop them and never bothered to let them know i think that is really disturbing and i'm not going to argue mabel's case itself but i think that most people are in agreement he should be guaranteed due process for his death penalty case from start to finish including having his appeal heard in court and with proper legal representation and the highest court should agree as well. after me up
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next we have our. president candidate rick perry suggested the u.s. to send troops to mexico to help out the drug war. veteran surprised that i have already tried that for how tough story just. into a little bit with the mechanisms if you don't work to bring justice or accountability . i have every right to know what my government should do here want to know why i paid taxes. but i would characterize the obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism.

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