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you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then a glimpse something else and you hear see some other part of it and realize that everything is ok if you don't i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. says. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right leg i think iraq needed and wanted well. we never got the shows there can safely get ready because of the freedom.
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reason essentially to find out what you have to say. we've all heard it before the question of pakistan's commitment to aiding the u.s. in its war on terror and the stories of pakistan has been playing both sides of mike mullen chairman of the u.s. joint chiefs of staff had stirred the pot once again claiming pakistan supported militant groups in attacks against americans and afghanistan but this past friday the u.s. appeared to back away from the public accusations saying it is not clear on the exact relationship between the i.s.i. and economies but these same questions are being raised over and over again and in an increasingly public setting so with the us want to extend the war into pakistan go on see things that the us has a lot to lose militarily and economically and we're not happy a million agrees saying the u.s. cannot afford another war we are on the brink of an economic collapse now this said judging from the u.s. track record yes we would go to war with pakistan and there will be consequences the military industrial complex in america will not care because there is no profit
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in peace most of the comments we received were along the same i cannot think lines can the us afford another war or is it just that we need a boost and a fairly economy well judging from the recent backtracking out of washington maybe the us has come to realize the same thing that the here who lives in pakistan wrote in to tell us he said please don't come to make war sure we will lose a lot of things but i think both sides will lose a lot. as always we thank you for your responses and here's our next question for you or the show we spoke with david dayen a firedoglake about the goals of the occupy wall street protesters refused of lacking a list of coherent commands so what do you think what do you think offered by wall street protesters should it be fighting or you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and no is your response just like me. now is rick perry trying to invade mexico no no he isn't but his remarks at a recent campaign stop are raising a few questions and drawing
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a few laughs when talking about the drug war that's raging across the border there he said it may require our military in mexico working in concert with them to kill these drug cartels and keep them off our border and destroy their networks maybe somebody should inform perry that in fact we don't officially have boots on the ground in mass our military's wells our cops have been very much involved over the years in training mexican military and mexican cops take for example the one point six billion dollars meridian they should have and that they bring the bush administration which trains of mexican police and provides equipment like helicopters and telecommunications gear an initiative that state department officials announced in august will continue throughout two thousand and twelve and about which there was a hearing on capitol hill today but looking at being creasing violence across the border with this method even working for me to discuss it is mike riggs associate editor at reason magazine and reason dot com thanks so much for joining us tonight thank you now. let's look back at some of the history here that our elite teams
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decide to train some people mexico yes some of them decide to the. members of cartels and they're now like that says they have incredible training and we're that really sucks chorus how about this trading the cards thing. well as of right now also the first two years of the narrative an issue of well technically for me and started in two thousand and seven days hearing they talked about in fact one of the questions asked by represented at this only security hearing was. ninety percent of the funds were. sending to mexico or going to the military and the nationwide police which don't have great prosecution powers they don't have great protocols for gathering evidence to put cases together. undersecretary of state william brownfield who is pretty much running the show down there said that the plan going forward again issue was supposed to be over last year it's clearly not the plan going forward is to try and empower local police and the state department has said that if the local and state police in mexico could be as efficient as the military
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and national police that all our problems would be solved i'm not sure that's true but that's because there are problems though with having because our police don't know what it's like to fight drug cartels right right right gangs but that's a different beast so are they necessarily the right people to be doing this training i think what the can probably do pretty adequately is go over protocols for gathering evidence making arrests searching a house putting together a case to go to court i mean if you look at. this for instance one of the wiki leaks cables that came out they had been circulated within the u.s. embassy in mexico was that juarez had a prosecution rate i think of four percent from murders so clearly the state police and the military are really good a bus and the words really good at inciting violence really good at burning drug crops not so great at building cases or prosecute never the same time if you have the threat of you know execution of somebody oh basically you just leave your house i'm telling you if you dare do you go to the police and you know what do you expect
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from people yeah and i think the most notable thing about that is certainly caught the eye of republicans in congress i mean today's discussion which featured members of the d.h.s.s. and the state department's witnesses was the biggest thing here wasn't is the drug war useful should we continue doing this it was republicans kind of michael michael mccaul from texas and kind of sort of pushing we want to clear them terrorists i mean that is that is the kind of. shock that the violence in mexico has sent into the u.s. system i mean all of a sudden this is gone from being a sort of third world problem and not ours to you know we're having the capitation in mexico city which is very new i mean mexico city up until this week had been spared a lot of the violence from the drug war so there is a big push especially on the u.s. side to declare this war inter brownfield who's with the state department doesn't want this mexico definitely doesn't want this they do not want to be part of the u.s. war on terror they say this is an organized crime problem i i don't blame her but
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anyway what actually happened technically if they were to declare the drug cartels a terrorist organization that somehow changed the way that they can deal with i mean i'm going to you know going into mexico i look at we know that we fly i don't know what the surveillance drones are going to write your arms are not but what the u.s. for. it would be within the authority of congress and the white house to sort of determine what to do i mean as of right now i mean one marquee difference for instance is that the cia the u.s. military pretty much running operations afghan stand in pakistan assist somewhat here operations are being run by the way in the state department so it's completely opposite i think internal politics maybe they don't want to give up their sovereignty they think this works brownfield takes credit and honestly takes credit for what's happened in colombia over the past ten years he was sort of that was his brainchild setting right wing and left wing revolutionaries to slit each other's throats and he you know he's convinced that what he's doing in mexico is the right
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thing he was so insistent today he in fact even the you know the other fascinating about the war on terror is even though brownfield doesn't want to make mexico a part of it when asked why is the matter on the sheet of running over he said you know american security is too important to leave to arbitrary timelines i mean where we heard that before iraq and afghanistan so there's this there's this weird cognitive dissonance here with people saying should we declares war on terror because look at how violent they are we. have the state department da saying no what we're doing is just fine and then you have mexico saying oh my god what would it mean to have the u.s. made what i'm telling are you going to wait on your own let me go or are you going to drones to blow up schools and hospitals you know are we going to how are we going to be occupied so i think that that's. that's in the future you know i mean what do you think because obviously you know it's incredibly bloody it's incredibly violent incredibly dangerous over there but the longer that the us
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has been involved at least since the great initiative has been around has only increased that violence you know and especially with the current president that's involved in him and his policies i think what we've seen a radical shift in just the last year or so the marathon initiative is almost four years old calderon has been in office since two thousand and six and president felipe calderon and i think the best example actually came up in today's hearing two years ago hillary clinton in a speech in mexico compared mexico to colombia twenty years ago which had these narco terrorism problems she was chided for that by obama who went on spanish language only news outlet and said no we don't feel that way fast forward to today when brown field essentially running operations in mexico compared mexico to colombia over twenty times and said what we did in colombia we should do in mexico . and i've been hearing nobody here hearing him say except more you know i don't think you're right this is not the most public expression of foreign policy we have actually you know it is but i think that calderon who's coming up for election
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reelection in the same from obama has recognized that. he's been saying some stuff lately that almost makes it seem like he doesn't believe in america issue anymore he keeps using the exact same phrase we need to think about market alternatives so i only don't know seems like us as mexico to help us nelson on this i mean calderon wants to be reelected president the us is willing to keep doing this and pouring money into it i don't think mexico could retain its stability would if it lost us support without legalizing and decriminalizing drugs i mean they're in this position now where they are an all out war with the cartels so they either continue accepting help from america or they break wouldn't have to completely do a radical policy revision and pray for rain i'm just wondering so you know because as you mentioned of course they'll be having a presidential election in twenty five as well if calderon weren't to win you know the us have certain concerns there as to who might be the next leader if they do want to cooperate with them or not if they want them or it initiative gone out
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although i guess they don't really want to hand weapon i mean this is also a thing on which the same person is the two separate things when brownfield again who starts flying today gave a statement two months ago in which he said when he announced matt i was going to continue indefinitely it will continue regardless of who was elected president of mexico in two thousand and twelve not to mention united states then today i wouldn't call it walking it back because the question was asked wasn't direct reference that but he did say that everything the u.s. has done in mexico is done with absolute from mission from mexico that there is there are no us operations in mexico that are done without the knowledge of mexico saudis we know from fast and furious that that wasn't true there are some other allegations floating around from border state law enforcement officers who also suggest that's not true but as of right now both sides have a vested interest in creating the impression that everybody knows what everybody else is doing and we also know that you know it's a little bit like the pakistan thing in terms of they try to downplay it and they are necessary and publicize how much cooperation there is i got to wrap it up but
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thank you so much for joining us tonight on this and i hope that we don't start another war on terror and reform in mexico ok thank you. the thought comes and i we have our tools i wonder which involves the media and those politicians that unhappy hours in starbucks actually save the u.s. economy plus already cursed network hank williams jr his comments getting kicked off of monday night football practice not so. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right. i think. either one well.
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we never got the show's nuclear confucius safe get ready if you contribute to your freedom. getting some love to see a story and it seems so sleep you think you understand it and then he glimpse something else you hear see some other part of it and realize that everything you saw you don't know i'm trying hard look at the big picture. you just put a picture of me when i was like nine years old i just you know lived through.
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the confession i am a little get over friends that i love rap and hip hop music. and. i'm very aware of the role that the agency which played. i did sign for sides tool time awards night because of the mainstream media and i know that i kind of already did that at the top of the show but this one really takes the cake it also involves new jersey governor chris christie these since being elected to office twenty months ago the republican governor has been at the
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center of speculation will he run for president next year it's a question the pundits never ever ever seem to tire of asking you that you obvious talismans they just love him he's their modern day ronald reagan and let's face it if the current g.o.p. field is well it's pretty blah rick perry is probably polling at the exact same level as herman cain if that tells you anything so it's somewhat shocking that people been trying to convince christie to run but i think that is number one fan or obsessive stalker whatever you want to call it is the media the last week they were going selves into a literal renzi over a speech that was giving up the ronald reagan library in california we finally give in to pressure and run well turns out he said no again like he's been saying for months but the next day the media was still trying to convince everyone that there might still slightly be a chance. why do republicans love the new jersey governor chris christie the only thing we know for sure is many republicans want him to run desperately a big event for new jersey governor chris christie last night what he said clinton
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passion supporter he said on several occasions that his heart simply isn't in it i thank you for what you're saying and i take it even though i'm listening to every word of it and feeling it soon now chris christie joked of the california event about a clip of videos that politico put together showing him saying no repeatedly the clip is almost two minutes long but here's just a tiny little sample of the. the way we're going to run you know not going to happen here still saying categorically not running you know this well i'm not running on the hundred percent certain i'm backing away i don't want to run i don't feel like i'm ready to run first you have to have it in your heart you've got to want it more than anything else and were any else i want that that you have to believe in your heart and in your soul and in your mind that you are ready and i don't believe that about myself right now you have to believe as i've said before in your heart and in your mind that you're ready and i don't believe that i am. so
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you would think that after numerous denials flat out knows the media would leave the governor alone just let him do his day job but that is not the case is he over the weekend sources began telling the new york and d.c. media elites the governor was taking a second look at the rates but i'm calling b.s. on this just because one of christie's friends is playing with the media to feed his enormous ego does not make it true or even a story let alone a tom story on every network for days and days and days on end it's the media's job to detect the b.s. something that clearly they're not capable of when it comes to chris christie case in point today when christie announced that he would hold a news conference the mainstream media shifted into hyper mode they quickly began coverage of speculation rumors about his political future and it reached a fever pitch when he walked in front of cameras this afternoon and trenton new jersey. as we await a major announcement from new jersey governor chris christie republicans on happy with the current lineup of candidates had urged christie to jump in the speculation is swirling after christie scheduled
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a surprise news conference i've been told that the new jersey governor did seriously reconsider getting in over the last two rules the guessing game has gone on for months will he or won't he he's been dodging questions for days on whether he'll launch a run for the white house we're awaiting a news conference a statement from the new jersey governor chris christie face to see it ending the guessing game about a potential white house run in just moments new jersey governor chris christie will hold a news conference on a possible run for the white house in two thousand and twelve for me the answer was never anything but no. so once again chris christie held the news cycle hostage this time to announce that nothing had changed oksana said he sees c.n.n. they all took the news or live they stayed with it we counted for forty minutes he said he wasn't running in the first three minutes but if you were going to use the media forced everybody to watch the political circus perp already breaking minutes you know with all the issues facing this country and less wars shadow wars record
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unemployment a possible trade war with china by wall street the media would rather focus on a made up d.c. beltway story literally made up so that's why we're getting fox news c.n.n. and that's n.b.c. and i was told so i work for wasting our time with this trivial crap and chris christie next time just say no and be done with it holding a press conference or forty minutes to say one word is a little bit overdramatic. i decipher happy hour and join me this evening as our see web writer andrew blake gregg's says the other reason i've seen and reason dot com so i've been a savvy back is a dangerous combination over here that we have. let's talk about starbucks that has a new plan to save the world take a look or save the economy sorry. we began at starbucks to kind of get underneath
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the hood and understand could we create this risk there as an opportunity to create donations in our stores with the millions of people that come to our stores and as a result of that. millions of dollars back into the community with community lending organizations. so starbucks apparently recently just finished closing at seven hundred branches is what i read so i guess they have a little bit of you know guilt maybe that's why they want to join the kicking laptop oboes out of their seat. i also saw that story but you know you get a race and you don't i think it's a really nice idea if you know we're going to go they said. maybe start with said stop charging people like seven dollars for a cup of coffee and then they'll have more disposable income and then they can hire more workers i feel like people are convinced that the live strong bracelet can carry cancer i don't know why we wouldn't give the starbucks bracelet a try also the micro lending thing is like really interesting you could use that's
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open like a hot dog car like i don't know i don't know if you're i'd like to chance yeah why not why not i mean if it's voluntary and they're honest about it i don't see why i want to poke fun at it but everybody is broke you know and they're asking you to tell. me you know date so there you know people donate to try to help others out when i don't i don't like to help anyone that's been a five dollars on a coffee i'm not going to spend six dollars on a room five sitting next to the register i'm not going to buy jewelry i'm just going to church today twelve thirty five that's a deal that is i know this is like a single seriously thank you to some of those players you know very sad let's move on to our next story so hank williams jr got a little bit of trouble over the following statements that he made on fox and friends take a listen remember the dog. ladies and gentlemen here i remember the golf great one
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of the biggest political mistakes ever what did you not like about it it seems to be a really pivotal moment for you. maybe like we're playing golf with. ok ok not hardly. hitler playing golf and here i was saying when i went to the meeting to the do the you know the end of the story or the culmination of years of all of that oh yes p.s. decided to kick him off at least temporarily i don't know he's not going to be the beginning of monday night football anymore i think that was a fair punishment there i can't get my head around the fact that somebody actually said something to make the fox and friends crew shot up because that was just absolutely incredible i mean they gab incessantly about the stupidest stuff and then bring in the first problem solved hello why don't we rewarding this man he should get the halftime show at every super bowl for the rest of his life for what he did to those what are the called fox and friends jokers i don't know this show
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hosts we just saw the comedy hour it was actually give us even imposing their own show is that both gone fox and friends and it's fantastic he also you know he started hitting on greg talking about how good it is to see her with all over the place getting him to play that clip was grass is going to be pretty dark no one should reward hank williams jr with anything he's been displacing the hank williams name for decades now not true that's hank the third one don't just use the trash here on talking about you know you know if if they william sr was alive right now he would do a bunch of morpheme we get drunk in the back of the limo and just not talk about politics because that's what hank williams does and does not wake up ever because that's also what he had a good run he had a good run a good run a little awkward unfortunately i don't hear clearly say a robot you know like a william perry or yeah we were supposed to do this after the show yeah you can take that off air and. let's listen to this larry a little clip from true cried another somebody that times to paris ministration
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america whatever you want to call it. we have been period where there's just nothing to explain and so you have on the wanted van jones you guys were for years talking about used to be a ministry. you should be a great example oh yeah ok. i just love this so much i think this may be my favorite biden gaffe yet aside from real why sizably told everybody not to fly and you have to travel on your last years night in denver know there is a one n one virus. and a good band jones whoever that guy is he was in there it is still raising and he's a very public figure not just a random person you know like a two thousand yeah i do know he was i don't want to buy yeah that stuff although you gotta wonder what is going astray here you don't blame you for not knowing who he is i look looking at you i didn't really come up lake exit why didn't you i
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forget that i know i forgot the name joe it was a story i know i'm just saying but it was like a wind up gaffe machine like one of those little monkeys of clap cymbals together across the floor spider it is fantastic it's wonderful we all sort of wonder what makes them capable of what. i don't know all star wars dimentia. whatever it's cool joe you know that's cool yeah i like this like i'm ok i'm wrong in. their demands and their ideas are such that. it's right now it's been really fun at whatever it is medical conditions story today so really this is not the first time this ever happened but a giant breast implant saved a woman's life and this actually happened in russia two was a woman in moscow who was attacked with a knife by her own husband but saved when he stabbed her in her breast implant ironically one that he made her to because he asked her to enlarge her breasts five years ago and then it's a very life what it's like. breast implants they save lives this is this is their
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marketing material right here i think i think the whoever makes breast implants are . balls that should should just plumb those staffs actually you know what i had a significant other who had breast implants and before she got them the doctor drove his s.u.v. over the implant sure that it would not explode frankly she was over run over by an s.u.v. that's right that's right i prefer real or fake woah i think we're out of time i'm just kidding i don't know freddie time but yeah you know that's that's my that's my full thought on that. well you gotta read he was very very wise very very good and bad no i'd rather just leave like hey i like that yeah well yeah sweats ok yeah i'm happy that i made you awkward yes i had something thank you so much for joining us tonight as i said for night so thanks for tuning and makes me think back tomorrow and if the spirit is getting back on the trail i mean thank you for it's been a fan of the a lot of the on facebook and follow us on twitter and if you missed any of tonight's or any other night after. the one that will find the interview as well as
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the film's entirety it's. it was created to serve public interests to inform and to entertain. these days there's nothing easier than opening a new media outlet but there is nothing harder than revoking its license in case of corruption. when just from. san antonio in front. of you can involve in a community where you have one large corporation controlling the daily newspaper the radio stations television stations a cable outlet or you told me that that sounds like some other cities that public
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