well i'm tom hartman in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture the occupy wall street protests are showing no signs a letting up millions of make up and ninety nine percent of those are rallying in cities across the nation the big show is in new york city tens of thousands in the streets so where does this movement go now and the corporate media has weighed in on the legitimacy of the occupy wall street demonstrations so to have politicians and policymakers will debate people are saying i mean.

you dated oh this the occupy wall street movement is put on steroids the day is tens of thousands of unionized workers took to the streets in solidarity with the demonstrators have been amped out in lower manhattan for three weeks protesting against wall street's destruction of our economy a massive movement some estimates put the number of people in the streets of fifteen thousand marched through the streets of new york city flanked by hundreds of police officers and at least three n.y.p.d. choppers every over a crowd marched from the state courthouse to foley square and then on to broadway closing down that street similar arches took place in boston and san francisco as well so what does this day of action mean for the movement as a whole that i'm joined by stephen webster senior editor ross story stephen welcome

. scrutineers um thanks for joining us how did things go today boy it was a really busy day overall story as a treat senior this week we lost our website and read was happy coincided with the there are not all street protests so we went ahead and kicked out a special category just or are we quite well street and it's been easily our most trafficked section of the website yeah i sysfs thought back to that thought it was great looking very very good is this the tipping point for revolutionary changes in our political and economic system or is this just another. fad to sure to employ i don't know if it's a very point but it certainly would be given i do need to see this movement characterized as it's here already for democrats because it's so most more than just that it's so much more than just a liberal movement this really has the potential to be the resurgence of votes

that we saw during the group in question this has some so so cal i was perhaps even move it towards roosevelt's second bill of rights which i'm sure you know going on but. it remains to be seen this is the beginning of it sir so you compare this more with the bonus army or the great flint sit down strike or something like that and i'm curious if if you think that maybe the tea party movement i'm not talking about a dick armey the p.r. firm the fox news tea party you know the fancy buses with a hundred thousand or paint jobs but the average people who are showing up in the streets was that the same cases that the same energy was that coming in many cases in the same place they were just expressing it through the only political mechanism that they knew which was you know. reagan republican politics. i think you're the nail on the head but i think when people really stop and take

a look at this especially the original tea partiers the people who are ron paul supporters because that is the answer on foreign policy you cuz of his stance on the drug war because of his stance on economic liberty. i think that you will find of those people really have a lot in common with some of the issues that are being raised close night you know i. wish it's not so much partisan as it's trying to appeal to the public good and i think that there are probably three maybe four issues in america that even people on the right people who are more libertarian leaning. common ground is ninety nine percenters what kind of change to the involvement of the unions make today was it moral support and that is here is something else all of the above but i'm i'm starting to become concerned that this movement is being increasingly. of the work being increasingly grow roots are you the democratic cause when really

been democrats haven't done much for us these talks the. terms idleness was tossed around a lot of me euthanasia and it's the truth this is a reaction to the failure of democrats but stephen wasn't that pretty much the case in the sixty's the democratic party had been pretty impotent through the fifty's and you know people in one thousand sixty four you had a point here on statement s.t.'s which had nothing to do with the war it was about social justice and ending racism and within that decade the democratic party had been pushed so hard by the by the s.d.s. now the student movements and civil rights movements that you had three major pieces all rights legislation poverty was cut in half within five years an eighteen year olds got the vote i mean major stuff happened because the movement infiltrated the party base. yes yes as a bad thing. but obviously those movements didn't quite finish their work we still

have a right to work we still don't have a right housing and you still don't have a right to medical care at all that was proposed by f.d.r. sure that second bill of rights is the great unfinished business i believe this movement is for across parts of so you agree with you and it's something that probably only one percent of americans know about and every american should learn about high school or earlier the tea party has already by and large fizzled out they had a big tea party event in st louis four weeks ago i think it was and they were expecting hundreds or thousands of people to show up for people showed up as i'm sure you reported on your website how long do you expect this movement to continue . there's really no telling. the give all of the unions yes brought a lot of bodies in brought more media. brought money but if you counsel a partisan affair in terms only co-opted by moneyed interests i don't democratic

party it might fizzle but if you maintain their integrity and they're in and thence and they maintain our own. i think it will. you know president obama's chief of staff bill daley said that this movement is his words not helpful on the other hand jay carney his official spokesman president obama's official spokesperson said that he understands that was the word he uses he used people's concerns how long before the president has to address either the the group in abstract or even the group directly. well let's be realistic the president doesn't have to address any of them no matter what you do he's only recently started addressing progressive's and that's only because there's an election coming up i really don't know what this president's going to do you has really not been there were people who put him in office until just recently and whether to be there for these folks it remains to be seen do you think that there are you know to seen

a morphine of the name of the group from occupy wall street since this is gone nationwide to the name niners are you seeing clues of that or or any other name yeah i think ninety nine for certain is pretty much the problem sir although there's been a lot of people talking about on i would forget or just kind of like inclusive of all different occupy protests that are going on in what i've heard is over seventy u.s. cities and i know at least students at least seventy five universities today just paid in walkouts i think ninety nine percent. by together mystic as well fascinate stephen thanks so much for being with us tonight it's my pleasure. it's time it's time for a deal. it's

time for our daily call your chance to tell us what you think here is that is question the i.m.f. finds the greatest factor of economic growth is a strong middle class american listen will america listen your choices are yes currently the u.s. is the most unequal nation in the developed world like the ivory coast ethiopia and pakistan or no republicans will win the war on the middle class log on and tell have an icon let us know you think the poll be open until tomorrow morning. yeah that's the good the bad of the very very numerous les ugly for good elizabeth warren she's surging in the polls against incumbent senator scott brown of massachusetts and she shined last night in the state's first debate for the democratic nomination she serves forbes magazine named scott brown wall

street's favorite senator and i was thinking that's probably the word i'm going to get. some sleep. she certainly won't which is why we need to keep we need her in the senate he put up a bad michele are you hypnotized bachmann on the campaign trail in iowa bachmann was asked by a supporter when will we impeach president obama and get him out of the way as though people can just you know impeach a president if they don't like him but instead of pushing back on the man's uninformed remarks jumped on the crazy train with. peter he really is well i assure you i'll tell you if you read. as for why the president would be impeached bachmann didn't clarify let's assume

something crazy happened bachmann got what she wanted in the president was impeached it's likely she wouldn't be there to vote for her new congressional quarterly congresswoman bachmann has missed one hundred fifty votes in the house since announcing her candidacy for president so maybe she's the one who should be kicked out of office and a very very a wall street a new lawsuit was filed in atlanta couric alleging that some of the biggest banks like j.p. morgan bank of america wells fargo the fraud returning veterans out of hundreds of millions of dollars based on rules and within the veterans administration banks can't charge veterans for attorney fees during home refinancing procedures so they get around that rule banks just renamed the fees and hid them somewhere else to make sure that they could suck as much money as they could out of our nation's service. well street simply has no shame. in that and they wonder why the rest of us the ninety nine percent are upset that's very few. coming out the

protesters on wall street love or hate them i guess weigh in with their thoughts after the break. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions come to predict through a third if you have made who can you trust no one who is human view with a global missionary see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called sasha's when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more.

the events of today in new york city will only heighten the attention on the occupy wall street movement that already some of the nation's most influential politicians and policy makers are being forced to weigh in on what's going on around the country federal reserve chairman ben bernanke he was asked about the movement yesterday at a hearing on capitol hill here's what he said. generally i think people are quite unhappy with the state of the economy and what's happening. they blame with some. justification the problems in the financial sector for getting us into this mess many are dissatisfied with the policy response here in washington and. at some level i can't blame them certainly nine percent unemployment the very slow

growth is not a very good situation that's what they're protesting. and then today here's what congressman peter de fazio said about. i thought some fox commentators yesterday morning making fun of them think i would do you think they've got time opera work they don't have jobs do they know we don't have jobs what are we going to create jobs give these kids a future in this country and raid in the gamblers on wall street restart the real economy the productive economy of this country. and i think the young people and the others who are joining them on wall street get it they might but others weren't so supportive here's herman cain is actually beginning to look like a front runner republican race for the presidency talking about occupy wall street . i don't have facts to back this up but i happen to believe that these demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the obama administration don't blame wall street don't blame the big banks if you

don't have a job a you're not reached blame the banks but as he said he doesn't have the facts to back it up and fellow front runner mitt romney called the movement dangerous he said it was class warfare owner of mitt with his four hundred million dollars fortune is having nightmares about louis the sixteenth so what's so what's the make of what's going on around the country today for more i'm joined by daniel helper it will be online editor of the weekly standard and ben manson executive director of the liberty tree foundation and spokesman for the wisconsin game then thanks tom great to have both of you with us besides politicians the corporate media has weighed in on this one take a look at what they have to say. no sir ok we don't have it so any of we've all heard what they have to say basically you know foxes are a bunch of pieces like you're in down there other networks are like what everybody seems to not really know what's going on so. what exactly are these folks.

the people the media many of whom embraced the t.v. breeze that you want to be afraid of the wall street i thought i can't speak for others in the media and i can't i can only give sort of my impression of what the of what the movement is and by perhaps more worrisome about it if they are indeed worrisome about it the movement is two elements there are the grievances that the move that those in the movements air which are there which seems to be anti corporate anti bank more jobs more environmental infrastructural spending and there's no there's really down to and see screwed up economy so there are yes there's the there and he screwed up economy and then they're also offering up solutions so i think a lot of people actually agree with the fundamental as you heard ben burning but not by no means a tea party or by no means it but a sensible serious guy it least and i've got my list there are plenty of plenty of

the my point is plenty of the elements that these guys have are shared by the tea party the problem comes with the solutions that these guys are offering and i think that's what you're going to see the argument that we're going to have probably tonight is not about the grievances because i agree with some of them what they're saying and as i'm sure you do the problem is that the solutions you have people who are who are big government. bad for kids but there are also people who are protectionist but they're also in favor of having open borders you have people who are job seekers but they're also seeking larger in title means so the incoherence of the actual movement is what laughable and i think if you were g.o.p. strategist i mean you know we might. to be honest i don't and i'm asserting that you laugh because i laugh but i do get pretty long so the point is if you have been in this regard please go absolutely it's only confusing if you confuse people and property so yeah i want open borders for people and i come from

a state which was built through immigration and that's certainly where my ancestry comes from and i see what the immigrants in wisconsin have to go through day in day out it's basically slave labor is what they're dealing with right terms of undocumented immigrants so yeah i want people to be able to travel freely i want people to have you know the ability to engage in commerce i don't want corporations to be dominating our political system our economy or any other aspect of our life i want corporations to serve the people and that's really what this is about i think is very clear what's happening on wall street and in boston and what's happened in wisconsin this past year and what's happened in washington d.c. tomorrow is that people are rising up this year in particular because of everything that's happened this past year all the austerity policies all the shift in the tax burden that's going on and saying we've had it we can't bear this anymore and i you know i think the reason why doesn't seem clear to some people in power is they don't want to hear it good for them and they're and they're right is this or that there are a lot of problems in our society right now the problem is that in the thing that i

think the thing that's most useful to discuss are the solution that they're offering and they're not offering sensible sane solutions that are incoherent there's not and there are they are right and it's not you're right we're right lou you're right you're right and i think you're right it is on the democratic party's we can say that i think we're going to you would as a g.o.p. strategist and say going back before the two thousand and twelve election you've got an unpopular democratic incumbent how could you possibly make things better for the republicans they would say why don't you start a movement with michael moore susan sarandon roseanne barr i have got to get the unions involved and then want to you have the professional left like jay carney and tim geithner started setting these people and this is what you're having this is your reality it's like no more it's probably and what's happening. when i thought it was not serious i mean you didn't that's you know i was either i was on right wing media you know all across the country this past year talking about what was happening wisconsin and the problem the right wing has right now is that this is real when you have students taking over administration buildings and rural counties

in wisconsin you have actions happening spontaneously students going on strike teachers going on a straight strike in a state like wisconsin all across the state not just in my hometown of madison and something is happening that i think really does scare what was for him again other realities of the problem is what our talk you know we don't pose a question to go you know i believe in this is second hand information from my mentions to me but i believe it to be a true and accurate quote that lends basically revolutions happen or times of great social change happen when the people are demanding change and they find life intolerable but the but the ruling classes were the decision making was the legislative class doesn't have the ability to change and that's that's that you know that's that's another that's that's a decent point i think the congress locked up and that's really how inconsistent eric cantor says we're going to hold a vote on the jobs bill and you've got you've got all these people have you know

and you're complaining that these people are unemployed i'm not i'm not complaining that these people are unemployed i'm saying. the solutions actually need to come in washington and the problem you know that's actually not where they need to come from because the banks aren't problematic by themselves for lending out money now if they're not when they go much more clear eyed age of money and they're not letting you know funny the banks are were not some of what some of the grievances are really student loan for and they want to do or checking out the service of all the good debt for the first time in history i'm not saying it's the only name thing is it all the world it would be will have a dollar and it would make sense to an outsider to get mad at universities for charging so much for all of her reality what did you make this student are angry at the universities and that you may. mistaken i think commentators based in washington d.c. make a mistake and they think this is all about democrats and republicans i'm not about that but i'm just saying what i'm seeing right where the two thousand and twelve elections this is about the reality that we've been living under for let me let me just finish here for

a generation and which working living conditions for working people have gotten worse and worse especially for young people and it finally hit a point this past year where you had class war was declared it was declared in my home state declared on working people in wisconsin and when they saw that government was taking the side of multinational capital against them they rose up and that's what's going on right now and that's my point the problem is actually with the government and that is a government being dominated by corporations i'm agreeing with you but i'm saying we need to change the government corporations are always going to act in your interest and yes we need to push them back but the government when these are you calling for a return of the sherman act you know what i'm what i'm suggesting is that the president president obama shouldn't put in charge jeffrey immelt the head as head of this jobs competitive council when you guys that's another guy on the back of a no it's not about to end this a little this a literal loan scandal to the one percent of programs ninety nine percent successful is george bush campaign that for to your point is not the point is the way things are done the way that obama backer can get money for

a little loan that's my thing i'm not saying that it's on the other it's bush. is the absolute i'm a great it's going to remain us i don't really i do it's a problem if you have a lack of clarity about what the goals are the objectives are occupy wall street is very significant because it's mostly led by people who have not been heard from before the new generations of people younger than my generation who are out the streets and they're at the center of power there in the real capital of the united states but if you go to wisconsin wave dot org you can see the demands that we have very clearly been articulating every step of the way and they i invite you to take a look this is not the things and this is the first generation since since one nine hundred thirty nine hundred thirty two that is not going to do better than their parents period already already want to join but i don't think that's wrong and i'm not saying i'm not to. i think that the cessation of the problem is wrong i'm suggesting that the solutions that that that a lot of these people on occupy wall street are offering are are wrong and are not are not going to and that solving the problems that they're right when they're going to regen the regulated the s n l's in eighty two it led to wild speculation

the bet the banks there's respect in the currency of the crash in eighty six reagan put sixteen hundred people on trial thousands of went to prison and he fired all the management you nationalize the s n l's he brought in bill siegman who over a twenty year period reprice reprivatize them and we all made of tophet on top george bush did none of that he said to the j.v. diamonds in the in the world like friends of the world just right here here have a you know here's the fed has got three trillion bucks for you here's my point if you have a problem with crony capitalism the worst idea is to then increase the amount of money that you're spending from the people who are have been corrupt and who are doing who are making use of your money like all the break of the banks i'm not suggesting or no but i'm not suggesting that the banks problem for seeking money i'm suggesting for people giving them money to thirty percent of our economy they were eleven percent of our rating him to the people in government who are giving them large sums of money that's the problem that's that's what i'm suggesting so if

i'm honest i'm not afraid of investment i think investments great but i think it should be private investment people have incentives for greater incentives for to succeed and they just see that your friend does well because you're giving your friend the federal loan that's worth a lot of there wasn't money there was that somebody was one report and i don't there was a very poignant moment moment when bernie was being grilled by bernie sanders and bernie sanders. so you know how's he going you know your be your belt we've thought or did you get these banks trillions of dollars trillions of dollars and practices we're going to do for small businesses he says well we're going to try to free up liquidity and get a deal because are you going to get the small business money like you have the big businesses out that's not what the fed does. what the hell i mean i think there's dirt that's where the solutions are i mean my wife and i want to small business i'll tell you there's a lot of small business people in wisconsin and around the country who recognize that their interests lie with their friends but their customers and with their neighbors and who want more investment not only in infrastructure but in basic services that believe that access to education is something that's

a birthright it's not something people should have to go into indentured servitude for and the reality is small businesses have not been helped and we do need a fundamental change in this country that you bring out which is why i mean everybody's watching should be on the streets tomorrow morning lower taxes and we should let people spend the money that they have and create more jobs and create more wealth and i'm pro growth i think there are income taxes federal income taxes that take i'm talking about corporate i'm talking about all access taxes it looks but make people actually pay to look at what's going on here the sales i'm fine with sales tax or local taxes anyways that's not we're talking about the so you point is and you also then would want to slash the government so you know why don't we have this because the government yes let's get rid of all the traffic lights no i'm not get rid of all it's not science i'm not you know stinking regulation on this is ludicrous not with me regulations people people can make their best decisions are you should caricature some of those arguments right here making the

argument i'm not suggesting get rid of argument i'm suggesting the government i'm suggesting some strength but i know try and trim traits right and it's true true that you're just very gentle tomorrow thousands of people are coming to freedom plaza in washington d.c. that's why i'm here right now lots of people from wisconsin are coming and we're coming because it's the eleventh anniversary of the invasion of afghanistan and we look at the trillions of dollars literally that we've wasted on these wars and the impact especially on young people people i teach in medicine very technical college and come back with all kinds of serious life changing injuries i guess i have to ask you to something that's the majority of what our federal tax money goes to is either military spending or paying off interest on it you favor cutting that's actually not it's five percent of g.d.p. . it's roughly what we spend i'm talking about the federal budget the federal budget. the federal have for i don't know why we're time out just now but the federal government i mean what are you going to. want to do which is keeping america safe i think the last place you want to cut is the fence i think other places are great if you have it but you think keeping a safe means having soldiers not having well fed children and people who are whose

cancers are treated i think keeping us safe requires given the choice choir's responsibility in world affairs in another and other places that much more of a libertarian than you know i don't i don't want big government with big guns but well you just want big government with big checks giving them out i actually want government is local is it possible or really frightening jobs where the rabbit i mean it's an incoherence of the not the grievances i think i think a lot of conservatives are sympathetic to the grievances and i think i think i think they're making a mockery i think i'm going to submerging of the old tea party grassroots folks will be spread out in your approach here part october is a very nice. you know how to thank you both thanks tom there's something deeply ironic by the way about today's protests on wall street tell you what that is later tonight like billy tape. coming out republicans are really going to sink the economy and show everybody just how desperate they are to win the white house in two thousand and twelve discuss that and more and that's.

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