cars report. it's a class warfare from pepper spray to beatings to hundreds of arrests the biggest u.s. march in years and seeing up with some of the worst police brutality so as occupy wall street spreads for thousands joining the fight against corruption will we finally see some change in america. and from the money machine to the war machine thousands of protesters occupy freedom plaza right here in washington to fight against the wars in afghanistan and iraq so can the masses make a difference when it comes to cutting military spending. and as americans finally

wake up to take to the streets while politicians steal the message as a way to promote and justify their own ideas most people to enter gavin marshall of the people's book project dot com to explore whether elites are trying to co-opt these movements. it is thursday october sixth pm in washington d.c. and christine friends out there watching our team was sort of his evening with the latest in the movement that is now swelling in strength and numbers occupy wall street tens of thousands of people are now part of this yesterday of course the unions joined in and more and more people headed to various locations around the country even around the world new york city's lower manhattan still by far the largest a let's go to the pictures here.

just incredible pictures of this size and what is happening down there as people gather in their demands for an end to corporate corruption what was for most of the day a peaceful protest though ended up in the violence as soon as the sun went down. you see here protesters trying to cross police barriers were sprayed with pepper spray several of them beaten by police using their night sticks to try to keep those crowds back and videos like this are surfacing all over the web and according to many protesters actually helping them gain support for their movement there are so many pictures we could show you but we also want to hear from the people who were actually on the ground on the front lines speaking out and witnessing firsthand as these events unfold and our next guest was there and how does camera rolling and let's watch some of what he captured last night.

just a few inches away from those leases you can see this video was shot by luke redound ski who's been on the ground off and on since the occupy wall street protests began back on september seventeenth as video from last night illustrates the contentious and it's times violent nature of what we're witnessing down there now i did spoke to speak to luke a little while ago and asked him to outline for us how this movement has changed since it started nearly three weeks ago. well this movement started very organically very grassroots with the mainstream media not even paying any attention to them in the first week it was yahoo and twitter who censored hashtags and words like i view by wall street when people are trying to promote this so this is a very organic movement that started with people from all different ideologies coming together yesterday we had the largest rally which thousands and thousands of people in new york city and the police actually took it into their heads to kind of

. abuse people down there after the second war such a place and i have actually video that i'm on our you tube dot com port slash we are change channel that people could see the police overreacted again beating people with petards pepper spraying people and their own people around everywhere and arresting people who are nonviolent peaceful resisters who just want to make a change and you know legal we showed some of your video and it looks pretty crazy pretty chaotic down there especially in terms of police definitely using their batons and i want to play something that is kind of big on you tube right now in terms of that and then i'll have you react to right. so we just had a police officer saying my little nightstick is going to get a workout tonight. based on what we saw in your video and several others a lot of the police officers one thinks did get some work and what is your take on

what's going on with the police here i mean do you think they're overreacting. i mean the police did receive what is it four point three million dollars from j.p. morgan chase just a couple days ago to help secure downtown manhattan so i think the police are i mean to say they're overreacting people just have to look at the videos and see a police officer spearing me what a night stick and also the fox news reporters that were next to me and we're just journalists trying to capture this and they're definitely overreacting but this is only going to be detrimental to their cause because every person that's beat every person that's arrested two more people will come out to occupy wall street two more people will be there in solidarity with us they're really hurting themselves and their image and they're showing what oppressive force there is to people who are just trying to peacefully walk down wall street i mean all these people want to do is they want to walk down the iconic new york stock exchange they want to walk down wall street and they're treating it they're treating us like we're dangerous terrorists meanwhile we always say we have respect for the police we will never

hurt the police we want to be the police and that the police are that ninety nine percent of the people who are being screwed over by the elites so i do see the police being manipulated by these elites they're giving them money and of course they're using tactics to try to squash us but that's only going to build us and make us a lot stronger yeah some of the protesters that i've been interviewing throughout the last few weeks i mean one of them is that just before she was pepper sprayed she said i'm here for you fighting for your pensions for you to get fair wages i thought that was really interesting yeah she was pepper sprayed just a moment later and they you were there live on the first day and it was not smaller and think you think that one of the reasons that this just continues to grow so much larger is because people are seeing this police brutality and saying you know something's wrong here. and not only that but people are seeing that this is a real movement from people from all different political spectrum who are sick of the elites who are sick of the corporations dominating our world our life and they

want to make a difference this is an outlet of people coming together and working with and side with each other and the ones that i just want to bring up to the previous point that you know once they hit you let them that you harder once you're peaceful you're going to win over the public you're going to win over the people and that's what's happening right now people are being peaceful people are being nonviolent and they're winning the public over. there's nothing else to say i mean all you have to do again is just look at the videos it's insane what's happening people people who are just trying to get their message across and they're being beat like criminals thrown in jail for trying to express a genuine message certainly yesterday that the movement grew significant lee with the addition of the unions when did you see i mean to what extent did that change what's going on with the union sort of joining on board. will occupy wall street is a very open movement that allows anybody to come down whether you're republican or

democrat or socialist or end the fed or to come down to discuss political ideas political solutions social solutions and to have that conversation and dialogue so they're more than willing to allow anybody to come in with numbers to stand in solidarity with them there's a lot of you need people out there but there's actually even more people who walked out of their schools more young kids who have to pay these crazy to wish and who are out there in the streets who walked out of their classrooms because they want to stand in solidarity which was also a great sight to see just last question for you luke wondering not sure how much time you actually have to watch t.v. to watch some of these cable networks is there anything that the media is missing in terms of the message in taking from these protests. i think that mainstream media is trying to make this the tea party of the left which is not i mean i was down there i would do a live broadcast and he was trying to say that this is these are obama supporters this is the tea party of the left obama's going to use this for his political gain so i see them trying to co-opt this movement for the left meanwhile the people who

are there were screaming no we're not for obama we're not for the left we are we are the ninety nine percent what it which includes people from the left and right so they're trying to divide and conquer us on that political spectrum and people are not falling for it they're not fall for it at wall street they're not fall for it anywhere else out there occupy it's not going to work they could live but it yet again we're all out there if you want to find out what's really happening go down there get involved and be a part of this movement that was independent journalist. now as far as this occupy wall street movement taking place there's a lot of energy that there's also growing concern that the new people will join might want to come in with the intention of controlling the movement wanting it to fit their idea of how it should be going to tell people what they should be saying among those concerns and gavin marshall project manager for the people's book project dot com he wrote an entire article about this matter i spoke to him earlier

and asked him what he meant when he wrote the following that when those who have power i offer you a hands in your struggle there are other hand holds a dagger here's his response. well the best example of this is support coming from foundations philanthropists n.g.o.s and the like they offer financial support to social movements and what they do through the. financial support is that they organize them or they elevate certain leaders promote certain issues if you put out demands they take misses the danger of putting up demands they take the requirements they may even lead to list the demands promote those promote particular leaders particular discourse professionalized leaders create organizations bring the leaders and those organizations within the system integration with political parties with politicians bring them to international conferences to speak and one of the people but through their professionalization

their allocation of status and personal well those leaders and the movement itself becomes the upon the system so they only will ever promote reform to the system rearranging the deck chairs on the faith panic but never revolution the origins of these foundations the origins of this philanthropic ideology lie in revolutionary times are people were rising up where these foundations were created to engineer consent to the system because all you have to do is look at the boards of directors of these foundations rockefeller foundation carnegie corporation for bangladesh and soros and cetera and they are the one percent they are the bankers the industrialists the heads of universities the heads of intense pain when i have to be used to engineer consent the system but on top of which they sit by andrew you know you yourself acknowledge that in order to survive as

a movement you know money will be necessary and you know you say that in order to her mate remain independent that money has to come from the people but i guess my question to you i mean these are people who are struggling to make money that's why they're out there protesting some of them are broke so how do you get money to come into this movement without allowing in organizations a larger groups that have the money. you have you want to see the revolution you have to be the revolution you can't just protest against sainz you have to start creating new things and so there's for example at the wall street protests there was an effort to create a newspaper for the wall street protesters they use kickstarter dot com which promoted the idea and people just gave money and they raised twelve thousand dollars within a few hours and now they have a newspaper it kept out the foundations it kept out the n.g.o.s it kept out of this finding but i agree there is the fundamental issue that these people just don't have money and so this creates not the. impetus to protest or to

create we have to create new systems new currency systems communal currencies these type of things where movies absurd ideas of debt interest inflation if we have to if we really want freedom we have to understand all the systems and structures which are process because it's not whether you're left right socialist libertarian the struggle is against the institution itself whether that institution is the state the corporations wall street the danes the media etc it's the institutional structure itself which must be resisted against so the only way to do that is the people have to come together to discredit the system and simultaneously create a new system and at the top of the system that will resist going against you have the monetary system the central banks the banks money itself inflation interest gets slavery so we have to resist against this create new monetary systems

controlled by the people who are the people but and a lot of these people and this is a major criticism of this movement a lot of these people come from so many different kinds of places and they're fighting for so many different kinds of things so many issues is this is occupy wall street simply about making noise or is this about sparking real change because if it is if things like those desired chains it changes that need to be affected effectively communicated. i agree i mean time will tell whether this is about making noise or starting for real change but i think fundamentally what we're seeing here whether you are in egypt in the occupied territories in palestine in hundred or in america the struggle is the same as for liberation and until people realize that until people realize that freedom for one requires freedom for all then we won't be moving forward in any true direction for true liberation so it's

the beginning of a struggle i mean we saw the rise of the arab spring. last december last january and just think of how our how much has happened we in this one year so whether or not i don't think that will occupy wall street will be the beginning and end of this struggle this is just the start this is where we're seeing the growth and development of something new and this new society it was true liberation it will be a long struggle we're in it for the long haul but if not now when victor hugo once said nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come when the time is now so we may as well act and that we manage must start to move the movement forward and not criticize it not dismiss it because you fear the co-optation because you see soros and move on and out or coming into the fray don't dismiss it you know you're part of it express these concerns of a deity of boyd co-optation so that it may of boyd being controlled and steered

into the reformist we do list and systemically safe avenues and there are a lot of people are calling this a leftist movement there are a lot of groups who are i want to being split by this not exactly knowing how to react occupy wall street but a lot of people down there say you know this is simply a movement to help president obama in the twenty's well the election and some people are wary of that some people think it's a good thing but what do you think about that as being sort of name that given the political side i guess. well there but i felt that its only purpose or possibility was to support obama not be supporting the movement. obama is prepackaged wall street products. were always has been and always will be there's no hope or change you know you want to hope for change you have to look at yourself and i was under gavin marshall project manager for the people's book project dot com. and

from wall street to freedom plaza right here in washington d.c. a new movement with a similar message it sparked today this protest though has been in the making for months at lunch today to mark the tenth anniversary of the invasion of afghanistan thousands of people are rallying to demonstrate against seemingly never ending wars abroad and like occupy wall street they're speaking out against corporate greed and corruption and a government they say allows it all to happen are to correspondent liz wahl was there and has this report. thousands unite after asa demanding that politicians take notice our demands are tax the billionaires tax the corporations stop the pain sixty five percent of just question every spending into the war machine protesters come from throughout the nation the old and the young some with very personal reasons for demonstrating my

son's about to be deployed for the fifth time and you know we're just so sick and tired of this war you know those of us that have leverage in the military my family is one of those who have fallen out of the upper middle class and. college prospects are low these makeshift cardboard homes symbolized by countless homes foreclosed during the economic downturn this is just to represent the millions in millions of homeowners around the united states who are now homeless and this protester says he represents millions of young graduates now jobless and shackled by college debt the next generation of our brightest youngest most passionate minds are graduating and facing a lifetime of indentured servitude they say their message is clear stop reckless spending on wars abroad and stop corporate corruption which they say profits at the expense of ninety nine percent of the population just fed up and fed up with the

inaction of our government to prosecute wall street crooks. fed up with the banks toure's that made their wealth here that are taking their wealth i'll sure. have a few yet. and what the occupy wall street protests sweeping across the nation this protest could help to make their voice louder and clearer we want these these this national freak out occupations demonstrations which. reaching out consciously should reach up with some with their already. protesters here think that this is just the beginning and they plan to occupy d.c. and definitely are insulting politicians unless they're not going to stop blurting out wars over the it and put it as a corporate corruption right here at home and washington said let's call.

a lot of people in town now for october two thousand and eleven and one of those people was in our studio just a short time ago he should be speaking there are right now his name is ted rall he's an editor editorial cartoonist columnist and author i asked him to tell me a little bit more about this movement and want people involved to achieve. well the american left has been essentially asleep for the last forty years and since nine eleven we've been waiting for that week for the reawakening well the on the financial crisis that began in two thousand and eight has weakened has woken people up and now the question is how things are going to unreliable in terms of the system politically militarily economically so through their concert looking for a new future a lot of people are scared but a lot of people see an opportunity to take our country in a new direction so that the occupy wall street movement the october two thousand and love movement they're part of a whole new approach demonstrating in the past what we would do is we would show up

at ten o'clock in the morning get a parade permit and march around and chant slogans and hold signs and then at five o'clock in the afternoon we politely went home and the media clapped because they were no arrests and there was hardly even the litter left on the street yes a lot i understand there is that there's permits being given this time around for tents people are going to be sleeping down there is that right that's right we are not leaving until our demands are met and our primary demand is the media withdrawal from afghanistan of all american soldiers and mercenaries so people are going to be sleeping right down the street from our studios in freedom plaza that's where i'm going to be sleeping this and i was at intel troops and so there's a plan for troops to withdraw from afghanistan another plan we want withdrawal another is we need to see the troops leaving wow. to my knowledge had i there's not even a plan in place from the white house to remove troops you could be down there for a long time because take a while i don't live in new york and i do not have a return ticket wow. i want to talk about to the movement and sort of

a broader level labor protests in wisconsin earlier this year i mean you talk about the far left kind of rising up labor protests in wisconsin i think is a fair example of sort of the initial reawakening occupy wall street a lot of progressives are saying you know that this what we're seeing unfold right now is an answer to let the echo chamber of the tea party now we're going to talk about a first i want to play part of a cartoon that you did and then what are you ok. looks like rich people are going to pay higher taxes no taxes on the. read my. lips we're pulling. out but what if we win a lot. i don't like that i call again you know sort of the irony of a lot of people that identify themselves with the tea party talk

a little bit about sort of those loud voices that i think a lot of people in the progressive side say have been sort of dominating the discussion of the tea party and how you see this or if you see this as a rebuttal or an answer well i think everybody's got a different point of view and the tea party phenomenon among those of us on the left personally last year i wrote a book called the anti-american manifesto that discussed the tea party phenomenon and i tried to explain that those of us on the left should be reaching out to the core group of tea party people who understand that something is wrong but they are blaming the wrong people and they blame the poor people in illegal immigrants but illegal immigrants and the poor are being exploited as are the rest of us ninety nine percent of americans so we need to join forces with them and fight the real system which is the politicians who belong to the corporations to use they you want to work with the tea party not with the tea party that's funded by the cuts brothers and the g.o.p. but the people who are attracted to the people who are political novices who are

babies who sense that something's wrong but haven't followed the news and were drawn to this because maybe right wing radio is all they hear in their hometown it's up to us on the left to try to reach out to them because they're drawn and they're angered by the same exact problems that we are it's interesting i was talking to van jones the other day on who's just started this rebuild the dream organization he was at the take back the american dream conference and he said you know i'm not mad at the tea party for being so loud and at us for being so quiet and wondering how you and others plan on being heard and what you plan to do i mean certainly camping out for a long time is a statement but what else is in the works here well a revolution cannot be copied it cannot be cut and pasted so originally when the october two thousand and eleven poll. came together the idea was we're going to not leave this is not going to be polite we're not going to ask permission and we're

going to try to replicate what happened in two or square but of course even that's problematic because look at what happened in egypt they haven't closed the deal they still have the military to contend with so it shows the difficulty of trying to overthrow a corrupt regime here in the united states the regime is infinitely more corrupt and more dangerous and certainly more powerful than the mubarak regime was in egypt so we're taking on a what so basically the occupy wall street people. sort of got there first and at first there was kind of this reaction among us older people i'm forty eight years old but who are these kids you know they don't have to manage they just want to show up and vote on them now and but they're doing exactly what we have to do there is no left that organized in the united states there is co-opted left to move on dot org the good michael moore is the all these groups that are metal people are the lady who are clearly l.g.b. t. but they work within the democratic party and the approach has to be outside of the

democratic party we have to reject obama and the democrats because they are just theater to distract us from the real issues when you say reject obama though i mean certainly there is an election coming up in the next year and this will be certain something that people down here on the october two thousand and eleven movement will need to address is somebody is going to need to be president in two thousand and twelve so i mean is that part of the strategy in talking about the next political move well speaking for myself i think we need to get rid of the system as it is entirely we need a revolution in the united states and what i would what i will be happy until we see this president and previous presidents in prison awaiting trial talk about your plan for this evening i mean i i'm still kind of shocked that you say that you don't have a return ticket to new york i'm wondering how many there are like you that you think are going to be camping out i mean is it going to be. ten people or is it going to be larger and you're speaking out tonight and what are you going to say well i'm going to be talking about this today is the tenth anniversary of the u.s.

invasion of afghanistan and that's why we chose this day i was there are covering the war myself for the village voice and radio station in los angeles and i saw what u.s. tax dollars were doing to that country bombing a country from the sixteenth into the thirteenth century but i don't want to live in that kind of country and we don't have to and what i'm going to explain to people is that we that countries that have been overthrown in the past have always had more military and financial power than the people who overthrew them we can't be daunted by the fact that it's going to be hard if people had been planted by that in the past there would have been no revolution seven hundred seventy six or in one nine hundred seventeen or. one thousand eight hundred nine against the soviets i mean you know it just goes on and on so there definitely needs to be we need to understand that there is in our numbers we are the vast majority of the american people and the vast majority of the american people deserve better right

certainly interesting and i'm sure we'll be speaking with you more as will be living right down the street from us. as ariel columnist political cartoonist ted rall thanks so much thank you and as uncertainty continues to brew here at home the outlook abroad continues along the same path this week marks the ten year anniversary of that war in afghanistan as we already said and it continues into its eleventh year here's a question how many americans really know how much is minute stick well to answer that question our teams are going out to the streets to find out. as the u.s. marks ten years since the start of the war in afghanistan and prepares to enter the eleventh i want to a place where people go to remember wars gone by to find out just watch the actually know about afghanistan how long we've been in afghanistan. i don't know seven eight years five years i would say twenty. yeah i think we've been there since september twelfth two thousand and one is that a ten year i'm going to say eleven would you have to have you know i guesstimate of

how many troops we have there right now no i don't know maybe two hundred thousand i don't know offhand i don't know i want to say six thousand but i'm not sure i get the exact enough dancing. but i would say more than a week over one hundred thousand i'm not even that's a little gas i don't ally how many men do you think we've lost over we lost a neighbor boy to the three thousand and thirteen hundred thirteen out of fourteen out of more than a thousand i don't know the numbers are high they're high but i have lost count to man the number of that we are a number that's been way too many and way too many lots lots too many you know me with yeah way too many ten years in a lot of lives yes to many lives i think we're just it's time to get out well despite being a little bit hazy on numbers america.