tv [untitled] October 13, 2011 10:00pm-10:30pm EDT
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welcome to the lone show the real headlines with none of the mercy me live in washington d.c. now and i'm going to speak to our t.v. producer lucy catherine often has been on the ground occupy wall street to tell us how they're preparing for a gloomy bird ordered cleanup of the park some see this as more than a vacation notice and say there could be clashes with police also yesterday congress passed the three free trade agreements with south korea colombia and panama meanwhile they blocked obama's jobs bill two days ago so does this show us where their priorities really lie and harrison is going to join us for that one and
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a new gallup poll shows the support for the death penalty in the united states has hit a thirty nine year low so we're going to talk about yet another execution that's coming out where guilt might be in doubt we'll have all of that for you tonight and more including a dozen happy hour but first take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. our as we just wrapped up the latest g.o.p. presidential debate earlier this week where it became very clear i think who the probable front runner is going to be and yet a new poll has everybody just blown away republican presidential candidate herman cain as pulled ahead of the pack we do have a new front runner at least for this month is herman cain he's the first choice of cain with a four point lead over mitt romney shall bachmann has just wrapped up a meeting with donald trump albert was reading between donald trump and michele bachmann and michele bachmann says that she is rebooting her campaign it.
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all right let's get a few things very clear here realistically does herman cain have a chance of sealing the republican nomination of course not this is more of that flavor of the week probably because let's face it at this point the g.o.p. isn't so stoked on any of its offshoots so every single week we see some new candidates surgeon this time it happens to be herman cain the man who doesn't on muslims working in his administration and thinks that a nine nine nine plan is going to solve all of america's problems you know it's funny if the media never bothers to mention that his plan is completely unrealistic because part of a claims a two thirds vote will be needed in both the house and the senate to increase his nine nine nine plan so what they gloss over is that mr cain can't think we change the rules of congress he would need a constitutional amendment to require a two thirds vote to raise taxes and i well i think we all know how easy that is and of course they are still finding over michele bachmann or now third meeting with donald trump i mean let's face it bachmann's fifteen minutes are up her flavor has been retired she has no shot in hell of winning the white house and as i've
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said before the middle king is no ringmaster for the g.o.p. despite the fact that his disciples try to echo that myth otherwise why would bachmann have to go meet with him three times and still be getting nowhere realistically this is all nonsense and it does not deserve to be the only thing you can find on the news when you tune in in the morning but the media just can't help itself because even though the election is still more than a year away the primaries keep getting moved up so they have to get in all of their election coverage right now. now new hampshire is threatening to move their primary remember they're always the first in the nation when it comes to the primaries and it's ready to move into december new hampshire secretary of state now warning it may move up its primary to december they're asking to vow to move their primary go their caucus back if not the secretary say new hampshire says guess what we could have the primary in early or mid december the new hampshire secretary of state saying that may not leave them any other choice but to hold the primary on the sixth of the summer porting to the secretary of state there december sixth or thirteenth are both realistic options. seriously watching all this
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primary bickering makes me feel like our political system is run by a bunch of children do you mean we can't be first any more you want to hold your is two days a four article five then we'll move ours up if that continues any longer going to start having primaries before thanksgiving but with the mainstream media doesn't get as they cover all these developments with just such enthusiasm is that this is part of the problem this is part of what americans are so frustrated about all that moving up the primaries does is make it's of the candidates who get more money sooner if the giants gave it's a farce if the same old politicians being supported by the same old interest groups only with actual action we see them throw even more money at the problem this is what people are protesting on occupy wall street the same candidates playing into the same system it's an endless cycle it's a circle because smaller and smaller with each passing year in terms of who actually holds and influence and we the people well we're outside of that circle but they the mainstream media they just don't seem to get that they act like the
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movie that we're seeing rise up right now all across america is completely removed from their election coverage how dense are you people this movement wants change it doesn't want her mccain or michele bachmann or even obama and watch the entire system read it revamped tailored towards everyday americans not just wall street corporations and individual wealthy financier's but i guess that's what the mainstream media seems to miss. all right so tonight we have a big announcement for our viewers tomorrow the loan to show is going to new york to the epicenter of occupy wall street firsthand and we had a number of planned set up at the last night new york mayor michael bloomberg made an announcement that on friday protesters will have to leave supposedly temporarily in order for the park to be cleaned as requested by the private owners who made the announcement after first making his very first and brief visit as
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a quality park last night and the mayor statements. as the protesters continued brookfield has expressed concern about its inability to clean the park and maintain it in a condition for public use he continued with the cleaning will be done in stages and the protesters will be able to return to areas that have been cleaned provided they abide by the rules the group field has established now keep in mind just two days ago bloomberg could declare the protesters could stay indefinitely so on all looks like tomorrow's show can be interesting and meantime let's get updates on how the protesters are preparing and reacting to this news joining me from our studio in new york is our key producer the. lucy i know that you've been down there for a while and just two days ago we saw where michael bloomberg say that they can stay indefinitely now suddenly they want to clean up so people shocked and zuccotti park today. i think are more shocked by the fact that the mayor. decided to bless them with his presence even there was temporarily i think most people regardless of what
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the mayor's office says really see this as a backwards sort of attempts to events the protesters from the park the mayor knows that a lot of media attention a lot of the world's attention is focused on new york right now on this occupation especially in light of the mass arrests that we saw last weekend over the brooklyn bridge and several instances of pepper spraying and police brutality and so the city of new york knows that it can't it can't come out and be directly against this occupation so the feeling amongst most of the protesters on the ground is that they're sort of looking for various loopholes to try to get folks out before this announcement about the so-called clean up took place in fact we noticed that late in the evening con ed one of the electrical companies here would do very loud drilling on the ground from about ten pm until six am a lot of folks here thought that this was another attempt by the mayor's office to sort of drive out the protesters but what actually happened there remains to be seen i wouldn't hold my bets on that we don't have no fan of these protests but he says that of course you
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have your right to your freedom of speech and who is hoping that they would just be driven out once the cold weather came in but was so interesting is that a statement two days ago seed like he was ruling by decree i say you can say definitely and so it is that way and so then why what he said only listen to brookfield and what they want. reeling by a decrease in america alone a shocking no actually one of the less gets noticed aspects of this entire story is that bloomberg mayor his bloomberg live in girlfriend diana taylor is actually sits on the board of the brookfield committee the brookfield board which runs to cody park and so a lot of people here are quite aware of that fact even though it hasn't really been out in the media as much and most folks think that this is a backwards sort of all scratch your back if you scratch mine kind of giving in but again you know the mayor the mayor is starting to understand that these folks don't seem to be giving up and we've seen rain in very unpleasant weather over the past few days and still the numbers are strong if not stronger and i think the city is
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sort of panicking to some degree i think they're trying to figure out what the heck to do to sort of slow down the momentum of this occupation before it gets out of hand because again those numbers surprisingly i think for most are continue to grow despite the weather are and i want your honest assessment because of course we've heard a lot especially from the fox news crowd about how dirty and smelly these people are and how others see them everywhere and use condoms than the make it sound like it's absolutely disgusting and brookfield basically said the same thing that unsanitary and it's not for public use if you think of this place needs a good clean up. i think some folks might need deodorant but in terms of the cleanliness of the actual park i would strongly beg to differ i mean even today we saw people literally scrubbing the ground on hands and knees with brushes with sponges or whatever they can get their hands on this park is very well organized by the occupation they have sanitation teams they try to take out the garbage
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regularly they were cycle they have food compost piles the take out regularly this is non any dirtier in fact i would say probably cleaner in than a lot of areas here in new york city and as we all know new york's not the cleanest of all cities so i think that's total hype by the media of course on occasion you'll have you know one or two rogue elements that might come by and throw something on the ground and like not but that's absolutely not the attitude of most of the occupiers here in fact we were doing an interview earlier today with one of the gentlemen who was scrubbing on his own will the floor another guy walked by through a water bottle this guy interrupted the interview to go run pick that up and throw that out so he got better that's not the case and i guess about as part of their operation wall street cleanup that they tried to launch today in order to i guess try to get it so clean that the cops don't need to come tomorrow but you know i also want to talk about in fact the mayor bloomberg here said that they're going to clean it in sections and then the people can return as long as they abide by the rules that brookfield has one of those rules. those rules are basically you're not
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allowed to sleep on sleeping bags are not allowed to sleep under tarps which is what the protesters have been doing to sort of keep themselves from the elements because again as i mentioned earlier is raining they're not allowed to read any free standing structures like tense they're not they're also concerned about sort of electrical wiring and various issues related to that now the other thing of course is camping out in the park is technically for britain but what the protesters are doing is they're you know i went to several of emergency meetings that they've had throughout the day today in fact most of today was dedicated to various planning meetings trying to figure out what they have to go actually do tomorrow when c n y p d and the cleaners come down to so-called clean the park and some of the proposers are really interesting they were talking about potentially getting rid of the possessions that they came with the teachers union here has actually offered to donate storage space fifty two broadway which is just again on
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their own volition to the protesters to put their items there and the protesters say that they will keep themselves physically on the grounds if it means not sleeping in order to the other to abide by the rules they're willing to sleep by sitting down in shifts of two they are talking about potentially sleeping while leaning on each other they're really looking for all kinds of creative ways to be able to stay because again these rules they really do see this as sort of a backhand addiction notice for what really has become a growing occupation all right so it seems like they're dedicated they're not willing to let up at all and you know will be joining you there tomorrow morning to check out the scene and see what exactly does happen at seven am you know hopefully there aren't any clashes there confrontations with police that are too serious now we found out in trees and essentially one of our producers earlier and she had to run in through ralph nader and asked him what he thinks about occupy wall street so i want to play you a clip here and see what you think the protesters would say about it. well the
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first sign of some of these. people. what do you think with the protesters go for that i mean do they think they just need a little bit of legislation that's leading their way or this is exactly the same problem we've been seeing over and over again where it's people like ralph nader politicians that are currently in power they just don't quite get what they want i think of the protesters generally thought the legislation could do anything to solve this country's problems we wouldn't see people camping out all across the country i think you would see people taking to the polls the reason they're not taking to the polls is because they don't feel like either party represents them neither the republicans and neither of the democrats most of the people that i've talked to say that they have no respect for the political system any more they say that you know the democrats in congress regardless of what legislation they might line up against or in support of their but hold into corporate money they're beholden to the very same problems that are causing these folks to turn out so i
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think that they would scoff at the idea that the political system as it exists will be of any benefit to them and i think in fact the fact the fact that this occupation has been so successful the fact that it's spread so widely across the country and more than one thousand cities now i think has really given more fuel to the momentum they they really genuinely feel like they can achieve much more by staying out here by staying strong to their message and by not not believing essentially the the various kinds statements that are coming out of washington they don't feel like washington response to them they don't feel like they're both really counts and that's why they're out there are in the family to thank you so much for filling us in and we'll see you tomorrow looking forward to seeing. now when it comes to the occupy movement perhaps it could be summed up by saying what a difference a month makes the on september seventeenth almost a month ago protesters gathered in zuccotti park to highlight the growing economic
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disparity and the growing economic and the growing disparity between those in power between the one percent of america and the other ninety nine percent while the first week of protests might have been a little small the movement started growing across the country boston washington d.c. chicago los angeles san francisco and other cities all formed their own demonstrations and before you knew it major cities in most states were following in the chants of we are the ninety nine percent and this movement shows no signs of slowing down now the occupy movement is going global on october fifteenth protests inspired by the occupy wall street movement are going to take place in seven hundred nineteen cities and seventy one different countries and aside from the u.s. countries like argentina russia canada turkey australia india and pretty much every country in europe are going to participate and that's just to name a few sick look at this video here is a glimpse at a few more countries that are engaging in demonstrations.
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now this movement called the fifteenth of october has a website on the home page is the following mission statement the ruling powers work for the benefit of just a few ignoring the will of the vast majority and the human and environmental price we all have to pay it's intolerable situation lust and united in one voice we will let politicians and the financial elites they serve know it is up to us the people to decide our future we are not goods in the hands of politicians and bankers who do not represent us so just like the occupy wall street protests are underway in the us this movement will also be peaceful way for people to sit down talk about
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how to best improve the current standard of living by looking at the number of places that are planning to protest it's pretty clear the tides of change are being felt not only in zuccotti park but across the globe and the only other question left to answer is will those in power actually listen. listen much more to come tonight there's proof that are usually bickering congress to get something done review trade agreements or perhaps last night but will free trade actually help create jobs or just ship more jobs overseas. internal network. do the work to bring justice and accountability. i have a right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. i would characterize obama as
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and the crap like i'm currently. thank you. thank you. to the police thanks what a fantastic nobody seems to know. that never a proper straight face but already argument that they're being overly dramatic. last night congress actually did something they passed three free trade agreements that have been in the works since the bush administration with south korea colombia and panama this despite the fact that just on tuesday the president's jobs bill failed in the senate and all the bills passed overwhelmingly
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a lot of democrats to vote against the president's push for these trade agreements specifically the one involving colombia but that did not stop president obama however from calling it a bipartisan win and a win for american businesses and american workers a statement released by the white house said tonight's vote with bipartisan support will significantly boost exports the bear the proud label made in america support tens of thousands of good paying american jobs and protect labor rights the environment and intellectual property the thing it's a free trade actually bring more jobs to america or is only going to hurt them and a lot of the labor unions out there are claiming and if that's the case then why is congress doing that instead of passing jobs bills right here at home or discuss this with me is at harrison founder of the blog right right down to thanks so much for joining us tonight for starters like i said these bills have been lying kind of doormen since the bush administration or the bill that the agreements and then suddenly we know that we have a state dinner with south korea happening and so they would be just rush to push it
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through do you think would you call that no i think there's a political element to all this the fact is is that you know the president wants to show these doing something you know jobs the jobs bill didn't make it through so that free trade agreement can make it through and if you're a moderate independent then you look at this is a positive net positive it shows that you know the president is doing something for the economy but at the same time he's doing this against the will of many of the labor unions that are his biggest supporters that are his biggest donors and against the will of many of the people in his own party so i'm just not quite sure how smart that is anymore. for him in general because basically his has been. i'm not going to upset the base too much but i really have to move towards the center and that means that i have to take positions that will get me all these independent voters and so is the labor you don't want you know i'll just go vote
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for me anyway because i like this person act that i think is the lot of the time you know for the base when it comes to the democrats because they just assume you're giving first care to the other guy and you're still going to come out and vote but let's talk about these actual agreements i mean there are of course benefits to free trade right specially in a long long run if you want to talk about growth if you want to talk about exports but he's selling this like a jobs bill is it actually going to bring jobs to america or only taken away it's not going to bring jobs because the benefit of free trade is that you can import the benefit of trade is importing import more you get lower prices you know export is actually a cost of trade it's because you have to give things that you could produce domestically and give them abroad a lot of people didn't understand that that's that's the benefit versus the cost and so the question is will you get more jobs as a result of this not necessarily because obviously you know you have global we are big trucks and you know if you have free trade basically you suddenly have
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a bigger pool of labor for the same goods that are being produced perhaps in the united states and in these other places and so that potentially could be negative for labor that's why the labor unions are against the way that something we already see right and it's interesting because we saw so many of the republican lawmakers at the same time making china this demon and saying that all of our jobs are going over to china but at the same time they're sending or they're signing more free trade agreements it just opens it up for more cheap labor all around the world you know it's completely political sort of thing because china you know we have a huge trade deficit with therefore we can buy. these other countries like south korea they have a freely floating currency you know we don't have about a trade deficit with this. boy and therefore you know we should have a free trade agreement here the republican party is the party of we think free trade is good and therefore you know they're going to support this kind of thing well of course they think it's good but then they like to turn around and try to
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blame somebody else for the fact our jobs are here and of course that they they claim that that's just too high of corporate taxes but what kind of markets are we talking about here i mean colombia panama really a lot more years later here in northeast part exactly the world that's the real that's the real deal here the colombian panama i consider them to be it's good in terms of you know the regionalization of america further south into south america central america but you know the real deal is with software you think of companies like. l.g. electronics you know they have really big companies there that are already exporting you know so for the in certain ways it's a great thing for our us what we want is we want to open up that large market the korean market is very large they have a very large g.d.p. and therefore that's a good target for the united states and exports but if there's anybody right now there is going to these jobs is going to come from textiles manufacturers the
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people that already have been losing them that's right you know the real question is for me is what will happen in terms of the auto business obviously you know they have some very good car companies and i'm not sure exactly what the the ramifications of this particular bill are so it may well be that it has some impact on the existing manufacturing base. but do you think of the so many to be focusing on right now i mean the whole discussion here is that it seems like congress or at least this is something that they claim it seems like they're so polarized they just can't get anything done they can't even come to any type of consensus when it comes to creating jobs bill here at home who knows what's going to happen with the supercommittee when it comes to debt reduction but then. why do we suddenly feel such consensus you know with free trade will the end of the day with obama move to the center or move to the right whichever you want to call it that is something where you can get bipartisan support but whatever obama sticks to his guns and his
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position there's always going to be polarization because at the end of the day the republicans want is they want less government and what the democrats want is they want an affective government and the two are not necessarily overlap so when it comes to creating jobs if it means more government or if it means government spending the republicans are going to be against that even if it could be potentially affected so i think that's really what the crowd what they're just curious what president obama have to say about these free trade agreements that were on the shelf when he was campaigning and i'm not sure what he said but i'm pretty sure that he was he said he was going to campaign against that and he was not a champion of the specific agreement until it was that he came into power so it's just interesting to see you know another bit of a flip flop here but i'm curious what do you think in terms of this coming productions with this super data second many they really only have a couple of weeks let. go i don't think we're going to see anything in terms of
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anything substantial in terms of the things that actually create a longer term deficit that is in terms of military spending you know we also have social security medicare which is where the lion's share of the unfunded liabilities are going forward but if you really want to make some cuts those are the three years that you would have to look into military spending is already off the table from the republican perspective probably. not. and then when it comes to social security and medicare you know the democrats are ideologically opposed to that that's a specific thing we're obama would lose voters they would actually come out and say no no we don't want that so he's not going to move that for. to the searcher in this particular thing so really we're just talking about discretionary spending very minor i want to ask you one last thing to go back to these agreements with south korea panama and colombia why aren't these treaties and why why is there some kind of agreement that doesn't require that two thirds vote in the senate like
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a treaty that will because you have to do what you can do to get it so they just changed the name technically to an agreement although in essence is still basically the same thing as a treaty i mean it could be a treaty but then you have to get the two thirds majority in the set it you know would they be able to do that i think that they would be able to get with career a but the other two are not really sure what the lobby is one that you know there's especially been a lot of democratic opposition there as leslie from the trade union from the labor unions and human rights abuses in colombia so this is interesting to me how you can change and still do so much all based on just one little word every thank you so much for joining us tonight rick you. still ahead tonight bring back the electric chair and a firing squad those comments are lawmakers and i strolled on a war and then we'll look at the death penalty here in the last gallup poll shows that support for it is falling and another inmate is facing execution despite questions about his kill back in just a month. insert
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