tv [untitled] October 17, 2011 8:00pm-8:30pm EDT
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and with that happy anniversary occupy wall street today marks one month since protesters moved into new york's seinfeld district but as the movement continues to grow in numbers with some of it the biggest turnout one person has yet to show his face so where in the world is president obama. oh right he's heading the wrong way away from new york and instead going to north carolina to sell his jobs plan while the president ignores this reading movement to protesters love or hate the commander in chief and is occupy wall street really fighting for socialism. and the
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u.s. is a raining down on africa this as president obama runs eight hundred u.s. advisors and troops into uganda to assist to assist and a rival take down the line down and is the u.s. doing more harm than good when it comes to quote helping other countries. it's monday october seventeenth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching our team well today marks the one month anniversary of the occupy wall street protests the movement has gone global now with hundreds of thousands of people occupying times square and cities around the world from london to rome one as at a turning of a few back in the u.s. artsy has been on the ground in l.a. and new york since day one and we're not slowing down today artsy is marina for in iowa caught up with celebrity actor william baldwin who flew from al length for the
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big apple to show his support take a listen. it's not about the people anymore and even elected officials and government institutions that run this country anymore it's it's the corporations and that wall street to do and that's why a lot of people are going to try and redistributed balance of power back to the people and baldwin went on to call for more regulations of the banks more transparency and corporate responsibility aren't they also caught up with janet ugur i was the young turks producer lissac half an hour spoke to him on a number of topics including president obama's reelection hopes and here's what he had to say. if. we find some tax relief week to see if it has anything to do you like oh he. is he was he. would do something people to please all these people as i hope the democrats can
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understand that if you really care you mention honest intent i mean is that even easily at this level. if it's for a very few for example but i don't want people to get so cynical that every person in politics and i'm a citizen cynical as it gets so for example bernie sanders does not take corporate money he extolling grassroots organization that he always runs he's a united states senator and he's totally honest and you know in and ron paul you know rolled my disagreements with him i think he's generally on the low ok and he happens to be libertarian slash conservative there's nothing wrong with the father and his mother corporations there's nothing wrong with blue deledio ology on either side of the spectrum the only problem is with the corporations by the elite just the politicians having nothing to do with ideology unfortunately i would say a decent estimate i've heard recently is ninety two percent of congress has been ok ninety two percent so you're right when the democrats or anybody comes with
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a honest intent well you're going to have to go a long way to prove that because right now what we see is wall to wall corruption and of course the two politicians you mention are the ones that are most definitely a label that's fringe in the media so it is sort of hard for other folks to line up but let me ask you something i mean if if the way the mainstream press operates is you know you go to so-called establishment leaders to get your pups and if you're going to start seeing democratic party members seeking out i'll be happy if i was free whether or not they actually represent them as a match translates to collage of the movement and i. will again it's going up senator outside the upside is that he legitimizes the move. which the press of excess with you know they think that if if a mainstream democrat doesn't tell me it's ok our mission politician is say well that it's not ok i see tippett right so that's the upside the downside is you know they're going to look to one of the slogans i saw i would bet that the democrats came up with was occupy the polls. yeah that's kimmie right so i'm not saying that
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people should vote they absolutely should the question is can we actually vote for people who are headed in the right direction if democrats can show that you know like i said it would take a lot to show that they're fantastic and look the president has a whole year there's no reason why he can't change direction but he would need to. look here's the thing right so well in your life if the point of no no no no no so for example if president obama says i get a problem with banking it's a five dollar different party i go come on your show ok because that's not the problem with banking that we had didn't have debit card fees when we crash in two thousand and eight that five bucks isn't a problem and you know it and it's meant that mr rectus which is exactly what he's doing now but it becomes a says look here are the new derivative rules not only will all of them be public and they'll be public immediately but here are the ones that will be regulated out of existence so that we don't have systemic risk right and here's what i'm doing in
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executive orders to make that happen that's real right unfortunately i have a sense that he's never going to do it and like so he can he can do it and just he won't because it's not in his nature unfortunately with her was the guy who ran on change is this stuff is really what you need. i think he rock obama unfortunately in his core like if he had a wrestling nickname it be to establish like he would have started as a good guy to change and he would become this he'll do savage women with about black clothing because in reality. every player who is being says let me do what ever the power brokers in washington tell me to do i mean look if ever needed all this progress is on a stamping and oldest child of a change to the minute he comes in he gets you can find more establishment rich powerful etc and more conservative people but even tim geithner ben bernanke the
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larry summers rahm emanuel and when rahm emanuel's guy keeping sid william daley who used to make seven million dollars is on wall street and believes that obama's been too tough on wall street support his campaign so whenever given an opportunity he always chooses a stab at schmidt so i don't judge him by his words and i don't judge him by anything else cited his actions and his actions indicate i love this tablet. and that was gang. of the young turks and his interview doesn't sound there for more with can visit us at youtube dot com slash artsy america. and so as the occupy wall street movement grows president obama kicks off his three day bus tour not on wall street but north carolina now president obama has a he understands why people are angry but why would he take that message straight for the crowds but obama skipping wall street on his national bus tour how do protesters feel about the president do they support him and while obama has been
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linked to socialism the protesters are really want to see a socialist america arts and correspondent are in a port and i is in the heart of the protests in new york and posed some of these questions five weeks and counting occupy wall street has cemented its grassroots movement in lower manhattan as these activists continue fighting to change the u.s. system where do they stand on the u.s. leader who promised change i voted for him i don't need it i worked hard i thought he was the wind but now. so people watching they were tomorrow i mean if you guys aren't for obama was left with the old i'm the vote for him obviously because do i want rick perry yes i am white. because i think he's doing the best that he can with the congress that he has to work with to try to get progressive legislation pushed through she's be trade. virtually everything that i
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got the impression he was going to do based on everything he said in the run up to the election i would not support a relic and i would support of their party candidate obama has not shown that he's ready to work for the people of this country i was for obama i did some fundraisers for him. he's in a tough situation and i'm very disappointed with the way some things have gone. if i have to raise money and advocate on behalf of obamacare to prevent the show bachmann from being elected president i would do that to you and i had like. the change we need to body else socialism is it in thirty words or is it something worth. right what do you think our fire department is or the police or it's all socialism. believe should work. really for what morris called the final state socialism was the penultimate stage for the ultimate stage when the occupy wall street movement keeps
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off last month u.s. president barack obama was in town hosting two back to back fundraisers donors beat up to thirty five thousand dollars to attend both events get these activists say they're still waiting for their president to pay a visit here to speak with them. r.t. . and for more on this i spoke to someone that's been on the ground since day one katie davison from the occupy wall street media center to start things off i asked her to give me her take on whether or not she things president obama is snubbing occupy wall street and if this will affect and as a factor on popular sentiment toward him here's what she had to say you know i mean i think the thing that everyone needs to understand is a lot of what we're doing is rejecting the current two party system of which obama is a part so we you know we created this liberates liberated space to have a meaningful dialogue that doesn't exist where so much your party says so we feel
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neither snow nor i mean this is kind of what we expected this is partially why this movement exists. katie i want to. bring to your attention a statement from sean penn he is a supporter of this movement he has urged president obama to visit the occupy wall street protesters in new york he says quote i think the media plays a big part of it because you say that you felt that it was gaining momentum i saw another network this afternoon trying to encourage the idea that it was losing momentum the real thing in part is going to be what is best for television. and what's your reaction to that do you think that the media. play is a big growly in. this movement i mean i think the mainstream media plays a big role and public opinion in the united states i don't think that it always represents what's really happening on the ground and i think the lack of coverage
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on that would large turnout that we had in times square on saturday is proof of that. and you know president obama he's been linked to socialism a dirty word first and i want to play for you a part of this song by hank williams. now katie i don't know if you're a country music fan but do you think protesters are rooting for socialism. well we are actually i can only speak for myself as always but we part of what we are doing is rejecting all is a lot of what this movement is about is reinvigorating
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a worldview that hasn't existed before and i think socialism the word itself carries a lot of weight is a system that has been tried and didn't necessarily work economic inequality is really important to us and that is part of our fundamental. underlying political you know ideas that we're trying to figure out however socialism doesn't really represent what we are about and that was katie davison around the occupy wall street media center and earlier i spoke to a protester christina gonzalez she's been on the ground in new york from the beginning she also spent some time in egypt right before the protests erupted there i asked her what it's like in new york and how occupy wall street compares to tahrir square. both seems like there's so much going on there things are really becoming very organized i've been i've been there on and off stage too so i don't know the exact things that are going on with every working group but i actually
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recently became a part of the nonunion workers and immigrant workers working group so yeah so we're just creating more groups are making sure everyone's involved we're spreading the word they're actually people it's in the media center that are connecting with people in other media centers with other argue patients so that we can stay posted on many videos that are put up and what's going on and just keep each other informed you know and christina i understand that you took a trip to egypt to talk to students. about how government standing up to government and starting a revolution and two days later the protests has in egypt erupted you want to send the same message the protesters in new york. for iraq and for this occupation last year protest i do i want to finish the protesters in new york and california and europe like wherever it's going on because this is not just an american thing it's not just in egypt and saying it's corruption going on all over the planet and the
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powers that be are really oppressing are right now and yet we you know you have to be really brave to do something like this and you have to be really strong and understand that you're taking a lot of risk but think about what it will be in the future i mean do we want our children and our grandchildren to be out here doing the same thing for years and years from now knowing that we could have done something to stop it. but you know in egypt since we are making this comparison to egypt we saw the riots we saw hundreds of thousands of people coming out into tahrir square well let's take for first a real change to happen here in the u.s. you know there were riots and things got really violent over there and as you see there getting pretty violent here also in italy we saw that you know buildings were burning and cars were blowing up and you know. whatever is going on but i think it's going to take a lot more than this i can i can honestly say that i'm scared because i don't know what's going to happen to know that there aren't enough police to control the
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masses that are out in the streets right now and it makes me think that the military is possibly going to come in i think i think things are really going to get messy because people don't want to let go of their power they're not going to let it go that easy and we already know how ruthless they can be. they've been killing us secretly and and subversively for so long you know we know that they can come out and take us out of as quickly as they would like to so yeah i think it's going to be a long road but i'm willing to stick through because i know that you know it's not just for me this is for all humanity and do you think things need to get messy like the way we saw things get messy and egypt do things need to get to that point in order for some real changes to happen revolution i know that's what you're advocating in egypt to what extent do we need things to get to escalate here in order for a change to happen. well we don't want things to get messy we don't
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want them to get violence that's why the whole time we've been promoting a peaceful movement is a peaceful protest but unfortunately that's the way that the society worse you know we glorify violence and this soon as the cops are hitting people and that's when we got the media attention so you see it seems like it is going to take something like that and there's only for so long that you can withstand someone beating you and oppressing you before you have to take action back so i definitely don't promote the violence that's going to take place but i know that it's inevitable so it would be great if our voices could be heard without us having to be beaten down but yeah it seems like that's the point that there that we're going to be pushed to and we just have to be you know ready for and hopefully try to stay peaceful at all times but still stay safe you know and protect ourselves and that was occupy wall street protester that's still ahead here on ars your taxpayer dollars will soon be hard at
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work and africa president obama has ordered one hundred advisors and troops there to help and a rabble take down the why now and how much do you really know about this and do americans even care. i. think there's no police. testing nobody seems to know. that never appropriate the base but hardly argument that they're being overly dramatic.
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has played. one hundred u.s. troops are on their way to central africa tasked with helping uganda. combat a rebel army terrorizing civilians in the region and as the u.s. intervened to let the public know about the country how do they feel about the military intervention and do they even care r.t. if other day on out was that outside of the streets to find out. as the obama administration announced its plan of sending advisory troops into you gonda you think you would have a quick second i went out on the streets of d.c. to ask americans what they make of all this have you heard about you know the latest news about your bomb ministration go into uganda and no i have no i didn't but i'm not for it i heard about you know especially the idea i did what do you
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think about the end of the obama i don't like our president i think he's doing a lousy job of messing up our country i don't like obama but most of the time i think it's a good thing that we protect our interests and help others that are trying to pre-k. there have never been one to. feel as though. we need to solve the problems of the world everywhere i think yeah you know it's make sure to say people in africa yeah that's right it with a kind of feel like we other mind our own business you know say take care of the situation at home which as we all know is it's taking care of. i'm not too keen about. launching the expeditionary forces into other countries right now we can't police the whole world would go though he certainly tried and well there you have it the road to africa might be paved with good intentions but americans are divided on whether we should be everywhere all at once reporting from
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washington i'm adriano said zero r.t. and joining me now for more on this is aden times correspondent. thanks for joining us thanks lou of all the battles to be fought in africa why have be us choosing to help fight this battle. well there are so many reasons let's say let's try a short cut first of all this is an exchange of gifts president obama is giving a gift to the dictator of the civilly it was being in power for twenty five to twenty six years and he's as responsible of human rights and freedoms and in fact that thaksin civilians and murders of actually civilians as joseph colony the old the main blue sure like to go the version of the zombie lot in as they were in the lifestyles and it's so obvious and it is one hundred u.s. special forces billed as advisers so remember vietnam in one nine hundred sixty one
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sixty two it started with a bunch of advisers going to be about it and we know what history taught us later ok so he said it is one hundred guys because it will serve any sense from five six thousand to eight thousand troops to fight the militia in somebody so most of any was fighting a proxy war four of us in somalia so the interview should from the right house and specially the cia because this is certainly a cia operation is to give most of any one hundred special forces to either buy them into crushing the guerrilla movement led by self described mystical christian political prophet joseph got a what is get there for twenty years and it's still going on what do you have to say i don't want gasification for going in there and ratify have cohen i guess of how many he's been responsible for murdering raping and kidnapping panther proud of
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man and women encounter nonfunctional africa and i thank you not think that of the driving force for the us going in there. it is there's no question about it but if you read humans rights watch is reports most of any skin of mint is even a batter and rutter apple then cold this is a civil war and it's a matter nik war once again the us is right stepping right into the middle of a net ward it's been going on for over two decades it's basically between two at me groups in north central canada and southern and so there again is empowered by analysts of any i'm simplifying a lot so people can relisten to stand what's going on and these are rebels that kristen rabbits they are based in north again but the bigger picture sivan more impressive because this is not about again that sells and even oprah at made it on the record already that these advisers are
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a go in south sudan and democratic republic of congo as well so when you look at that area in central africa and you see the amount of oil and the amount of mineral rich at play and when we see it that china is making it a role in this area and when we look at the africans agenda which is to combat china commercially viable military ization of africa then you understand is one hundred the beginning of may and he will be going to go the same i don't have thought about the timing our intervention why now. wow why now ok one second i was so there was getting e-mails from africans including people from the again that in congo and it's fantastic because public opinion in this country the r. angle full be out soon to to the web in english all over the world they know what's going on they know about it in agendas and you know they're saying else right of
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course it's to divert attention from what's going on in your preoccupation or street from the crash of the american economy to fact that obama now is have to play very tough in terms of organizing his a reelection in two thousand and twelve the power play inside the status meant the military intelligence status when the u.s. where david petraeus now is running everything it ever since for those patrols this counterinsurgency and this what's going on and i'm going to also applies so people in africa know what's going on you cannot fool them anymore and you know that seems to me now where a timeline for the u.s. military involvement there how long do you think the troops well be there i'm here for a leader i do crimes there are and i have been a law clerk. this is the this is the first one the hundred what it looks good to be thousands in one year or two years because the power play in africa is very clear is dick cheney's coming to these african countries with contracts
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offering billions of dollars and they're all know how to kill them the hospitals highways them they're old as ok and we want of course your minerals and your oil and that counter revolution organized by social europeans as well because cold war don't forget there are a lot of european firms who are absolutely right to leave their hands on congress reaches very close to ground zero as well and there has been a civil war in congo for years with over four million people there were that if united states never. wanted to interfere in their call so why uganda and why not so this is by the much bigger thing which we call the direct clash between beaching and the pentagon and it also involves africa on the one their guns african command so maybe it's it is getting very complicated to get there in libya look at what's libya nowadays it's going to wreck the civil war and it's going to be there for
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months if not years so let's not start with again though candy is an anglophone it's a very good beach chair for the u.s. in central africa from the gander they can launch it or it is huge area including all those reaches you know that in south sudan or oil and minerals and in congo oil and minerals as well so we start with like in vietnam wonder advisors let's talk about it when you're. ok i'm going to the u.s. fourth of their their combat inquests that are prepared to defend themselves and attack if they need to but are really only providing information and advice believe that you out of nothing from condemnation and there. we don't know this is pure speculation what we do know is that this is basically going to be a special forces cia contingent they want to. collect local intelligence probably and probably wreck let's say drones to go after the lord's resistance
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army and the corniest guys which are not more than four hundred the last so extension number that we got there in the middle of the jungle they have two thousand people like two years ago it's a doing joint force. this problem is going an army so corrupt and also if you read it that they cannot fight they really make this these people it is an internecine war so maybe the cia and the special forces will get enough of that a chance of you know try to orient the usual canine reaper to take out the lord's resistance army because they can miles asia times correspondent passed by by a well that does it for now for more on the stories we covered by r.t. dot com slash usa anti-car you two pages you tube dot com slash r c america you can also follow me on twitter as well have a great.
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