roadblocks at a border seized by kosovo police last month locals say they won't give in unless the officers leave the new york police under investigation over claims of excessive force during the entitled wall street protests some officers seen resorting to punching and pepper spray and peaceful rallies and. sticking with that topic up next r.t. spotlight focuses on what some are calling america's october revolution to ask why the occupy wall street movement is gaining so much traction stay with us. oh at. hello again a welcome to spotlight they are very show on our t.v. i'm al green album and they were talking about the basic tauber revolution in the united states which is called occupy wall street america is drugs thousands of people marched through the country's main cities protesting against corporate greed

social inequality and big money moving before the demonstrations began several weeks ago and although they are mostly peaceful several hundred people have been arrested around the country the protests have spread outside the u.s. the planning of europe and asia what's the latest from the occupied wall street spotlights to you it's neither the story. the occupy wall street movement started just over a month ago with a thousand participants marching through new york people's anger was aimed at the financiers who the protesters believe caused the recession but got away with it by being bailed out by the government. the movement's website says it was inspired by the arab spring which initiated a series of revolutions in north africa this year. by wall street slogans targeting economic inequality and corporate greed if he had to have great appeal

with near a movement springing up in major cities across the u.s. before long occupy wall street when the global last saturday vents inspired by american protesters took place in one hundred fifty cities in eighty countries around the world. the movement's been most confusing as to karim braced in crisis heat europe demonstrators that protested over on employment and. stary the costs imposed in the exchange for e.u. and i.m.f. bailouts the most violent really happened in the room where tens of thousands took part seventy people were injured and to the live euro zone damage was course to the historic c.t. . so that was you know the meter with the latest from the occupied wall street and my guess in the studio today i direct to all of the institute for global research and social movements

boris kodjoe list and joining us via skype from san francisco california is kevin that of her the co-founder of the global exchange human rights organization gentleman in in the united states first of all and also joined by people in other countries can we call it can we call it the the great to work socialist revolution people are they actually do want socialism do they well it's it's it's very it's a capitalist it's very anti capitalist sirin the united states sometimes not is explicitly using words that you know name capitalism or imperialism but it's very much against the bad the finance sector all of our wealth is gone sucked up into the finance sector and they're not spreading it around they're not investing it they're not lending it out and that's part of the economic crisis in the united states and i think we're seeing it everywhere as as your introduction said eighty

countries now on saturday we have protests all across the united states we my organization was involved in the one here in san francisco and it was thousands of people out in the street we marched from the federal reserve bank to city hall where the city government is and then back down to the federal reserve bank which controls the interest rates in the united states a very nasty institution for us what does what does global research say is. capitalist today doesn't mean a proof socialist or what a pro-communist world definitely not pro-communist at least not as old in a sense as we remember it from the nine and seventy's but i think yes there is a tendency towards bracing their left wing values their socialist barriers. in the. limited sense of course. of course people are concerned with the welfare

state i guess and limiting the power of corporations. too much less extent they discuss the possibility of nationalizing them or expropriating the property or anything like that i think so far it's not of the agenda at least explicitly so i think of the long run that means of the left is coming back as the global force and that also means that their society is changing that the hegemony is different in that sense people who believed in the values of liberal capitalism they don't believe in these values anymore kiran ed what's the what's the principal goal that the government wants to reach is there a goal. yeah i think the main thing is that people want to be heard people feel left out of the system the richest one percent of american families own more wealth stocks bonds real estate the stuff that matters the richest one percent own more wealth than the poorest ninety percent the middle class what used to be

a fairly large middle class is getting crushed and getting squeezed out we have college students who are coming out of college with a college degree and a whole bunch of debt to be paid off that they had to take on the debt to pay their tuition and now they can't get jobs so there's a lot of anger and frustration but it's not just young people it's guys like me with gray hair out there and i think what we're seeing is this is a result of all the educational work that guys like poorest and myself and all the books we've written over the years and all the public speeches in the environmental movement the civil rights movement the women's movement it's all culminating in this where people realize this is the beginning of the first ever global revolution we can't solve these problems on a nation state basis the problem is trans national capital movements are trans national the average stock in the united states is owned for less than ten seconds

it's computer algorithms switching big capital around so the small investor or the person trying to invest their retirement money doesn't have a chance of standing up against these big financial institutions they crashed the economy with a lot of crazy instruments based on real estate they created a real estate bubble burst they got bailed out by the federal government trillions of dollars and then they get when they got bailed out they didn't lend them they're not lending the money to us there are all sorts of really good companies that. can't get loans now and can't get the economy going again the money is all concentrated in the top one percent of the population and that's why the movement has taken this ninety nine percent in as one of their key slogans we're are the majority it's supposed to be a democracy but money is what rules washington we see it even with iraq obama

a liberal democrat wall street has control of his policies people are fed up with. well it seems to me that in the twenty first century the world is going i mean it's all upside down all the former socialist countries all the eastern bloc countries including russia they want their building capitalism they want capitalism in their countries now the western countries they seem to to once said they don't want capitalism and you saw that slogan five minutes ago capitalism does not work it's not working so they want socialism so. do you really feel that we are on the threshold of a global revolution as kevin just put it well i actually agree with kevin how we would tend to agree with ken almost every time we discuss things we find a very little to discuss what can it go to what kevin is saying today and what ninety nine percent of americans are telling us today is what we read in our

communist textbooks not exactly what what we were not. alone in marx ok i know ok with that i'm like not britain ok with landmarks i'm not ok with brushing up and one thing which is very important for karen and for myself and for most people who are involved in the movement is democracy it's very much about democracy it's not. leaving the bureaucracy in charge and no it's not about just moving their resources from. corporations and getting them into the hands of a centralized bureaucracy brashness style. well you know it is very much about this terrorist mind of a democratic system of control over resources and that's house if this is not like the sort of style communism not it is of course capitalism in its corporate sense a corporate form as we know now and it's evolved craving a new democracy which is

a long people to control their softness kevin when you know when you started this movement what are you ready to face the fact that pretty soon he will be joined by but by so many supporters around the country and around the blown well we've actually had this experience before i did a lot of work on the international monetary fund and the world bank that so boris and i first met each other doing a global economy work in trying to explain to people look the finance sector is turning the economy into a casino it's all about gambling it's they're not investing in productive investment they're creating all these financial investments in english we use the term securitization securitization is when capital itself becomes a commodity so you have the shifting of the wealth into this finance sector and it's not getting invested in creating jobs and you know building houses and you

know creating things that we can actually use shoes and cars and airplanes it's going into financial speculation so that's why you have so much stagnation so much unemployment and this was going on i should point out the crisis that affecting europe and the united states it's been going on in third world countries in the global south for decades and you have the i.m.f. and the world bank coming in bankers from the outside coming in saying to third world governments ok we'll lend you money we'll give you a whole bunch of money but you've got to follow our policies we want you to devalue your currency we want you to sell off we want you to privatized your net national research. forces we want you to open your economy up to let big corporations come in and extract well we don't want unions we don't want your people to be able to have environmental your safety regulations now that's happened that's coming home to roost to countries like the united states and we're getting a little taste of what the third world debtor nations have been dealing with for

decades and people don't like it so the way that we're framing it global exchange the way we're framing this transition is we're going from a world where money values ruled over the life cycle social justice and the environment and we're moving to a system where life values will rule over the money cycle where yes will do commerce and use money but social justice and environmental restoration will rule over that money cycle it's a big global transition and we have to accelerate this transition or the planet's ability to support human life is going down right now all the biological systems are collapsing so this is kind of an emergency. the popular slogan of the movement is we are ninety nine percent is it true the resident exaggeration well maybe there is

a bit of an exaggeration but i mean is that how many percent is that your eight ologists a nine hundred eighty seventy well you know a lot of time different here what i mean is that when people account on a hair for example. start of that campaign a saddle which was nine hundred ninety nine that was definitely a minority movement it was a more attractive very exciting wearing young minority movement and now for the first time you see that the majority of americans are supporting these people and around europe at the same picture and by the way speaking about are. i think russians are very passive so far but in terms of passive support so to speak russians are sympathetic with the mood of the majority of people sympathetic or at least interested or at least trying to understand what's happening because we thought normal good capitalism was their all capital it was wrong it was. bad

capitalism bought sound good capitalism existed somewhere and that it was in the west that it was an american and then you see these people in the streets rioting protesting and fighting with the police and then i think. that something more general than just being all problem and i think that says that dramatic change is happening now the majority i mean maybe it's not night and presented by the majority is now with this movement for the first time since spring seventy's or whatever say kevin danaher the co-founder of the global exchange at national human rights organization who joins us from san francisco california and boris car going to be director of the institute for global social social lubed spotlight will be back shortly after the break to continue this interview stay with us.

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to. welcome back to spotlight i'm al green all of them just a reminder that my guests on the show today are boris congress lidsky is the director of the institute of global research and kevin danaher is joining us from san francisco california and he is the global exchange.

chief of the organization called the global exchange gentleman well we have been talking about what's going on in america in some other countries of the world i mean the occupy wall street movement well many people say that it has been influenced by by the so-called arab spring but is do you think that there is a connection between what happened and there was wasn't really definitely that was openly said by the activists in the united states and in european countries though of course there's so much more interest. interconnection because in many ways for example the protests in france which started in two thousand and ten protests against pension reform they influenced massively people in algeria in tunisia because you know how many arabs live in france and holland how many. people

have relatives in france among those who live in tunisia for example and of course then frost kind of exported unrest exported revolution to tunisia and then tunisia exported into egypt and then finally from egypt it was rick spotted to the west so in that sense it's really a global process. kevin you mentioned that there that the main girl love the movement is that is that people want to be heard well like people people they want to be here for the last at least last two thousand years but. one of the main things that made the socialist revolution in russia work nearly a century ago is that that lenin and the bolsheviks they were not only wanted to be heard but they were ready to take responsibility to take the country to take the finance take the bureaucracy in their own hands and actually to start running the country all the people out in the streets today ready to take that responsibility or they just want you to to be heard and to continue to collaborate with the

existing government i think part of learning his brilliance was he was able to he was a good sociologist if you look if you look at his book the development of capitalism in the soviet union he was a good sociologist and he could look at where the mass movement was going and then come up with demands and positions that put the bolshevik party at the front of that movement and what so what's going on with groups like global exchange now is we're trying to give skill sets to these people in terms of how do organize how to run a meeting what is the in dallas. this of the financial system and the fact that it's a global problem it's not going to be solved on a national basis iraq obama is not going to solve our problems one of the issues that we've got going on in the united states is there is a break in the feedback loop nature always works on feedback loops we have people

making policy regarding mass transit never ride the bus we have people making policy in washington about the school system their children go to private schools so the public schools are going down in quality the health system is going down in quality because the people who control health care policy they have very good health care we have over forty million americans with no health insurance and that's getting worse all the time so it gets to a certain point well back up and back up and back up and they're willing to take all this garbage and then they get to point where they're not going to back up any more and they say ok this is it we're going out in the streets so those of us who have a little bit of professional experience at organizing these things like the protests in seattle against the w.c. go back ten years ago we're trying to bring some professionalism and some training and some analysis and some educational tools into this movement so we can grow and

spread and reach out and bring in the police bring in the trade unions bring in the environmental groups and grow the movement and i think that's going to happen i think this movement is going to keep spreading maurice you know hundreds of work better than kevin i guess because of what happened what we said here on the generator we thought we had studied them when we in high school and he never said it well how would you if i ask you to analyze what kevin just say what would you say what does the movement lack to really become a revolution the moment lennon would say working class involvement. watre suddenly stand can guess. by the trade unions are there that you're going to treat unions as let him talk to us are not the working class they are the working class version was a. policy to go back it was ok good but let's be clear i think the movement is just in its initial stage erodes a growing very fast and it's liking

a lot of things but the first problem here is that of course people were used to work through the traditional institutions are western liberal democracy forces part is trade unions or elections or whatever courts and so on and that did work in the night and seventy's for example and now the problem is that these institutions they don't work for the people the way they used to or at least the way people expected them to to work so in that sense it's a confrontation not just with the garment or with the ruling class it's also confrontation with existing institutions which are losing their appeal losing their credibility and legitimacy so that's one big for which has to be addressed and this is very serious and that's why are these happening in the streets not in the parliament not through the elections and the second thing of course is that the real political force is lacking and it has to be built up but the point is that of

course in reality the movement is going to pass through a series of stages through some experience to build up of these movements into political forces it will take some time and that's why i think it's not something was going to happen or not but it will happen here in question to both of you gentlemen to kevin and to boris do we want this movement to to succeed do we want. this movement to ruin the american political system instead of building a new one or do we want the system itself to to to sell through. rw organize and sam out change and to do it to mean to continue to meet the demands of those who are protesting while part of the idea of democracy is that informed citizens are capable of getting together in public and reforming the system demanding that the government redress their grievances the united states for all

its flaws and all its bit imperialist policies did a very brilliant thing when this country reset up it was the first political system where government was it was described as a derivative institution a secondary institution it derives its authority from the informed consent of we the people it's why our founding document the us constitution our basic law starts with the words we the people and if you look at people like thomas jefferson two term president third president the united states he said on the altar of god i pledge undying hostility to any government restriction on the free minds of the people the free minds of the people were supposed to be the bedrock of democracy and now reminds of the people have the internet so they can see what's going on around the world they can hear from the people protesting in egypt and other

countries and we started to realize wait a minute this is not a us problem this is an international problem it's a global problem we're either going to have elite globalization that's about guns and money or we're going to have people's globalization that will be about social justice saving the environment those are two very different agendas and i think that's why you see if you look at the press in the united states in the meet me in the united states the big corporate media and the corporate politicians they're denouncing this movement they're lying about it they're saying oh it's a bunch of hippies they're on drugs you know all this kind of stuff we have paid. h.t.s. we write books about we're not uninformed we're more informed than those members of congress so this is this movement is going to keep growing and that's a good thing thank you thank you very much kevin thank you barroso and just to remind them i guess on the show today word kevan downer the co-founder of the global exchange international human rights organization who is joining us live from

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