hello i'm tom are going to washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture a wall street movement has big plans to hold a national assembly next summer adjusting our nation's greatest issues including ending all wars so has this grassroots movement officially turned into a force to be reckoned with and sin city is known for hosting huge fights and hosted one last night to republican presidential debate so while the fireworks and just how out of touch were the candidates on stage in the ninety nine percent of the rest of us watching it on. it's wednesday night when i'm alone liberal and go up against two conservative political commentators to debate the week's biggest stories so far on the panel

tonight another sermon inserted strategist and socio blueskin solutions currently blogging and other certain loadout and vince colonies on page editor of the daily caller dot com that's right into the thanks for joining us at both of you and so let's get started before the debate there were one hundred occupy las vegas protesters outside the debate they kind of ignored i guess and it seemed that on stage it was the battle for who's going to support the one percent the most you know tax cuts. here was a question asked herman cain about occupy wall street. what do you really want to let me go have to change if you had your chance let me just change the facts you had your chance let me speak to you at your out of real time yeah we got it from you and him so you have heard it on his interview or said it was your letters is not true i did not get that from he neither he nor his foundation and you've never never said it was good we wouldn't have done just saying we should use

what he says now applying for the i'm looking for defining your facts on that because that is what the day historic again. on a scale in the newspaper i was revealed to you just thirty seconds the way the rules work here is that i do sixty seven over the math here day and then you get into the service respond right and they want to understand are you still a. ways until you please weigh in you say you talking let me finish with. my apologies that was just our general montage of. our sense of what happened last night here in much shorter form is. i got to ask you you said oh don't play a couple two weeks ago he said don't blame wall street don't blame the big banks if you don't a job you're not rich blame yourself i was two weeks ago the movement has grown do you still say that. yes i do still see that years. so you know really two questions given that we got two. videos in their first well actually

let's go to the first one first. what was the. why the food food we were in vegas you know where the fights happen but i think you know that we're seeing more the personalities of the candidates come out i think we're seeing where they differ where they are at the same and you know i think that romney end up looking pretty good at the end of the night i think cain still is strong as well and perry and santorum are really just way too combative they were i mean the obviously you know at this point in the game there's a sense that this field has to be whittled down so these guys are something else business romney's to lose business romney's to lose well yeah i think i think to some extent you know romney i will say last night he sought to bring in a strategy of combativeness and i think chris christie rubbed off on him after this endorsement before he actually thought that he could perhaps come in and be governor christie i don't think it works quite as well for romney in matter of fact at that point where he put his hand on rick perry and followed that and kind of it

kind of seemed like a little high pitched like come on let me talk it just didn't sit well for romney at that point but i think overall he probably had a level perform you know angry you know what i think it was nice in my opinion it was nice to see romney come across as more human because a lot of times his responses are just so polished and so on was robotic you know those nice decent emotion actually you know i don't disagree with that herman cain talking about the occupy wall street thing you know in the second clip we saw are the unemployed really to blame for their own fate as he says. it's a mess of matter of job creation this is the point is when is that for a moment when cain says that and he gets the applause line he does it means that the audience in attendance and what cain intends to tell the audience and tell tell the viewer is that it's not government by which these jobs should be created it's by you know by the money this is that has applauded executing people but has has a very fair wasn't because of the water there or. there is

a built. the only consistent said all these are ron paul supporters they travel all over you know we've had some with some very bizarre i mean a million people sixty thousand jobs a million people showed up for five million people are looking five people who are looking for every one job opening america right now i mean who's really to blame i think though and herman cain's defense if you do here is a whole story which you know he kind of goes into he said let me explain why and you cut it off you didn't let him explain why but you know he does have an amazing story he's not you know a golden spoon guy i mean he really worked his way up and you know he he had a heart he has a life of hard knocks so you know if we were allowed to hear his whole story we understand where he's coming from but you know he's being rhetorical obviously he's using some rhetorical. instruments to get his point across the reality is that we suffer that proves that well you have the reality is that i empathize with what's going on wall street i mean the there are

a lot of the same complaints that tea partiers had as well as occupy wall street people now now the origin of all by wall street that's completely different but what we have right now we have a lot of the same complaints we have people who are upset about what the status quo will be largest solution the solution though is not is different the tea party the tea partiers i would say that what we need is more jobs not created by government but by free enterprise we need government downsize what occupy wall street says now not talk about the beginning but now is that we need bigger government and we need it. to socially well what are you hearing more and more that you know as move on moves in and they're getting more money from the outside is that it's more of a liberal message i'm not saying it's the original message but what is what's coming out as a matter what voices now contribute to this because there are movements that have decided this is ours whether they like it or not and the democratic leadership has decided to wrap its arms around this movement and there are democrats in the new republic even is skeptical of this idea of immigration when you will when. the

whole tea party sure grassroots tea partiers not dick armey and you know. big shots but when you pull the grassroots the parties you find that basically the same the same things where there was strong social security and they don't want cuts and they're and they'd like to see the cap lifted a lot of national health care programs sixty seven percent of tea partiers would like a you know a single payer national health care program you guys know these numbers they want the right to unionize they want i mean you know just for stuff they want the banks held accountable i mean for example ronald reagan would have powers in banks two years in prison prosecuted sixteen hundred people when the us was run down three years after they would be regulated that you know for years five years after the banks get the regulated behavior down and george horses are going to put him in jail we're going to be alone the common thread the common thread between these two movements is frustration you're absolutely right on that point but when it comes to the way that they actually view the rich or the one percent of the occupy wall

street movement this is not some sort of tea party doesn't create distance between themselves and these individuals they say look we're all americans and actually they'd like to be in the position that these so-called one percent are in in fact the one percent of pain that the overwhelming share of that and i believe that for a minute i don't believe that i think that the american dream is not to be david koch i don't think that the american dream ever has been to be the top one percent the american dream is to be is to have a good solid middle class life well that's mean stolen from i don't know why there was a time i'm not sure that's true i think the american dream is actually you have to have upward mobility so the the freedom to move from the lower class to the middle class or perhaps the upper class not to be stuck in any one class so to say that we want to do all we can to protect middle class i don't think that is the american dream and what's wrong with what we have become the least mobile so. there's a nice mobile society you have to be her you see we have economic i was nine years reaganomics because all of our history this goes back to having this point though you talk about injecting government in order to solve the solution. of income

disparity what it does is it creates a separation it drives a wedge it actually creates this this is the situation where people who become dependent on government services become apathetic so you'd rather have the good side of. our example on their own willpower or on their ability to use jobs just the way our grandparents did a lawyer time in herman cain's offense it's interesting n.p.r. did a study to find out you know what people think about the candidates the three top ones cain romney and perry and the first word that comes to mind when i think of cain is nine nine nine which is very interesting he's not black the top five responses nowhere with black yeah well you know you've had the romney romney it's a mormon and rick perry it's texas so herman cain it's a great job getting his policy ideas out there was the idea to still have the i you know other thing the extra baggage guys when he was very low has actually got policy out there well anybody's a good base

a good brand manager and in their size that i mix that's what they were going to charge of put him in charge of godfather's pizza and ultimately he bought with an l.b.o. there was also to be speaking of dividing people about immigrants this this is the . clip from with regard to the federal government has failed miserably to defeat and secure that border with the states to do what the federal government is not doing. i think the person who really has a problem with illegal immigration in the country is president obama it's this is this really baffles me because obama got bashed for this last night reagan was the guy who did the amnesty first of all and secondly obama has deported four hundred thousand people more than any other president literally in the history of the united states since george washington obama has been harder on illegal immigrants than any other president. and everybody's picking on what's going on is just just politics well i mean michele bachmann was only one point to point him out you know

i think the reality is we've had a failed immigration policy for a long time and we need to come up with a solution and we don't have any consensus right now as we saw last night there's no consensus on the left or on the right and we need to find one because we still have a big problems immigration i mean they've read that last night that was one of the most interesting and contentious issues i mean you saw rick perry go after mitt romney for hiring illegal immigrants because you know rick perry's got his own probably sure i mean and hundred thousand dollars right and he's got the texas dream act to deal with so you know there's actually a lot of a lot of issues because biggest point of the night though was herman cain between two different statements he made on c.n.n. ok and that was that there was no ok she goes completely different but he talked about the electrified fence and he's consistently been asked about this question of whether or not he should have it and i think it was performed for herman cain to walk away from it say he was joking then come back and say he was serious i didn't notice that actually so i know it you know what you know when voters are going to see some consistency if you're going to say it both believe me the right would be

ok with you being principled on that issue and it's interesting that rick perry has also walked away from from the dream act in texas you know he's no longer saying you don't have a heart if you don't you know right is romney and rick perry both have records with us to attack each other we've been romney is successfully footlocker off in any case here's what here's what gamers had to say about where last but this was particularly just how can you judge if you have no faith and how can i trust you homo's you don't hold. and you know this raises a question i mean here's here's a guy calling for something that completely constitution article six the constitution says and i quote there shall be no religious test no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the united states but i think it was speaking personally it was not saying that there should be no requirement that people be a faith he's saying from a personal. he cannot personally trust somebody who does not pray and the issue of religion for the president has always been relegated to the court of public opinion

if the public will judge whether the constitution or any other form of documentation within the government dictates that the public will judge the religiosity of the candidate will decide whether or not it means something to them that they are an atheist or that they're a christian so at the end of the night he's he's actually right he's right on the issue that americans care about the religiosity of good individual republicans also concerned about religion and particularly christianity. why is that the pay for play stars of the star upside the five pointed star upside down so that it's the sign of see. the american flags on their logo and i do that in two thousand it's still there even i can't even speak to that yet and i don't even know about that actually going to join god or you mean it's i don't know what to do about i don't even like where you're going to go first ours and i want you know as a christian i was all concerned with more with romney's mormonism i did say though now i'm not as concerned about it you know just because from a theological perspective it kind of bothers me they realized wait

a minute you know if he's president and doesn't exactly mirror my beliefs is that ok i realize yes it is those with the cancer they get as much as i did i did you know being a good catholic but right now i'm just baffled you know stars who put down herman cain michele bachmann pointing out six six six and then and then in fact. here's the logo that's that's what that's how it started out in two thousand that's what it became i still don't understand you see the stars the star on the left is the star of the flight where you've got the book point at the top that's right and that's really i was beating her the horns of the go the years are on the side of the change maybe it will be in the republican party is bracing that we don't know but the fight is really kind of has the effect of i mean if you're let's see what's going on as it was who wanted to work with her question. last question for herman cain's nine nine nine plan is under fire particularly because it's going to make poor people spend more on food with a nine percent consumption tax. can created a loophole for food purchases take a look. you would make an exemption you know or food clothes no no example usually

sales assistants and those who will be the person is are paying the same amount of tax on groceries as i am right now sat sounds fair to you just in a vacuum years ago sounds fair but because of the bill the point about the make if they need to buy a car or hold some hard goods go to used they pay no taxes. so used food is not taxed so what exactly does herman cain mean by use food is a lady gaga is a meat dress or a good one be scrapped just mashed potatoes from middle school food fight they've already been thrown or see but already bubbly it's already been chewed you know. butts i think the problem will hold. i think you get a few admissions out of it. anyway the point is that he means that the tax system didn't change any entirely so it's not just going to be a matter of not being on nine percent but most cases it would be more a fair argument ok more fair to you but i would say i would you know lead god does

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how a new case could give corporations like immunity to commit mass atrocities across the planet. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to break through it through to be made who can you trust no one who is you and you who with the noble mission to read see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called sasha's when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question morning.

is the supreme court about to give corporations the right to commit genocide believe it or not that may happen the high court has agreed to cure the case of killed all vs royal dutch petroleum which could give corporations immunity from any lawsuits for their employees murdering raping or torturing people in areas where they're drilling for oil or fielding mercenary armies just as long as they're carrying out the atrocities under the heading of corporate business or to the alien tort act law private parties are responsible and can be sued for violations of international law however recent second circuit court decision ruled that

corporations are not considered private parties and thus cannot be sued or held liable for breaking international law so if the supreme court decides to uphold this ruling the consequences could be knowing why. second circuit court judge pirro dissented in the ruling getting corporations of unity and he wrote about the effects of what that decision could do he said the new rule offers to unscrupulous businesses advantages of incorporation never before dreamed of so as long as they incorporate businesses will now be free to trade in or exploit slaves employ mercenary armies to do dirty work for despots perform genocide or torture prisoners for a local dictator or engage in piracy all without civil little liability to victims . so how can i be and which way might the high court lean in mill highs or is attorney and policy analyst for the center for american progress action fund

blogger at think progress about or joins me now in great to have you back thanks on what sort of the beginning what does this case curable if i'm pronouncing that right worse is rolled out shell but what is the what's the essence of the case so there's like you said this thing called the alien torts statute that says for the very worst kinds of violations of international law and that's what we're talking about here we're not run of the mill stuff we're talking about things like when exxon allegedly hired the indonesian military and then the indonesian military went out and killed and tortured and used adult prods on people as part of their work while their work for exxon so truly horrific stuff the second circuit like you said it's the bet if you're a corporation this alien tort statute that allows you to be held accountable just doesn't apply to you and i don't know where they got that from there's nothing about corporations in the statute there's nothing in it and that was hurting us you know i read the the law has been developed you know the law was actually passed in the seventeen hundreds and in the one nine hundred eighty s.

we began to see a very robust doctrine of how it applies to these private parties in human rights cases the lead opinion has a footnote which says that corporations and actual people are treated differently in the under the alien toward statute so i don't know where the second circuit came from but given the roberts court's record on corporate immunity i'm really worried we're going to go the wrong way here this is this would be truly truly bizarre the aliens who are the act is at the center of this and you explain what that is sure thing so the basic idea here is again this applies to the most egregious violations of international get on a tour is is a heart is a heart by when someone harms you so i hate you you've been harmed by me so you can sue me for santa so i can i can i can do a torque. exactly and this just says the same thing for mass human rights atrocities in this case so exxon hires the indonesian military and then the indonesian military goes off and shoots my wife that's

a tort now and i shell though i mean exxon at least i think is headquartered in united states role the shell is headquartered in holland so does the under the alien torts act does that allow a foreign victim to sue a foreign corporation in american courts that's a fair point so there's two cases that are going on right now that deal with this problem one is the world that shell case which is the one the supreme court's going to be hearing and then there's another case in the d.c. courts that was just decided that's why i keep bringing up exxon because that's the one involving axon in the indonesian troops on the d v if the supreme court agrees with the second circuit which didn't go into any of the reasons that you brought up which are legitimate reasons to say the statute might not apply if the supreme court says no we don't have to get into that corporations are just immune from the law then that's going to provide a axon it's going to apply to all these cases where there's no question that there's a u.s. corporation in american law should apply it's

a sweeping invalidation of the law with respect to corporations well and we have situations in our i mean we can we can talk about child labor or you know bad labor conditions and countries all over the world but in some countries you know colombia is probably the most notorious case recently maybe go back a generation it was. where labor leaders people who speak out about working conditions about things that had to do with corporations are routinely murdered or their families are murdered their children are murdered in front of them their rides are raped in front of them i mean you know i mean just really brutal brutal brutal stuff as a business practice right and so it is my understanding correct that if the supreme court rules the feeling toward act. cannot be applied against a corporation that an american corporation could be doing business in panama and simply hire local guys to continue those kinds of practices there would be that the

corporation itself would be immune now you could maybe go after the individuals who committed the crime or you know who committed the tort but that's very difficult to do because you know you might be able to find a local decision maker on the ground in panama who you know being a mr burns rub of his hands and decide to go hire someone to commit him to an atrocity but how are you going to trace it back to the senior people in the corporation the people who are really wielding the power how are you going to get that evidence to see how high that decision met how high the decision went the mechanism that the were all provide it so when you have a situation where a corporation in the course of its own business is breaking the law if you get to go after the corporation itself you get to hold the whole entity accountable and it gives an incentive for that corporation to comply with the law because their leaders and joe that if they cross the line the whole entity gets smacked on the other hand though doesn't that give a certain level of immunity to people within the corporation that we were constant

was in cases where corporations simply pay fines right you know for. exxon and or b.p. rather in the gulf where we can go after them to other people got it you know really want to press you should you can go after them too under the early in torts answer the question the in this case is whether or not the corporation is and you can still get attention to go after the individual the problem is that's not a very good remedy a lot of the time you know if it happens on foreign soil you can have to rely on the foreign government to bring a criminal case against them if it's a low ranking individual within the corporation who may have had a wink and nod from the executives but you can't tie the executives to the decision and the only people that you're going to be able to get you know i think the abu ghraib situation where you can get the troops who were there in abu ghraib but can you get the actual high level. decision makers it's very very difficult well yeah it might have been a little easier if they had destroyed all those videotapes and if somebody had decided to prosecute jay bybee and john yoo but that's

a whole nother conversation that they ended tomorrow if they indeed they have your job i actually wouldn't be great if it was for me if there is i have a feeling that this ship has sailed thanks for being with us thank you we'll keep tabs on this case needless to say the corporation formerly known as blackwater must be salivating and i'm expecting clarence thomas to be wined and dined again any moment. it's the good the bad of the very very l simply. good. sky is natural yarn store perhaps gains as news new zealand copes with a devastating oil spill to thousands of poil swift and ones in need of help and skeins is there to do just about the stores knitting many and when sweaters the birds warm until they are well enough to be cleaned and to prevent the birds from

plucking out of all out brawl of their oil soaked feathers so far there are numerous water designs and can propagate for the next tuxedo pattern sweaters even charlie brown looking sweaters skeins is calling on others to learn their knitting skills to make even more penguin sweaters for the affected birds troubled by the bad executives at goldman sachs the bank report a loss of four hundred twenty eight million dollars after billion dollars in the third quarter of this year only its second was since going public in one thousand nine hundred nine however through the first nine months of this year goldman also set aside ten billion in compensation front also to cut fat checks to executives like lloyd blankfein who took on thirteen million bucks last year. that means of goldman only set aside nine and a half billion to compensate the fat cats as you know the company could have actually been profitable as war but as the wall street culture grows banks there's

get their millions regardless of whether another company is making money once again as they win tails everybody else's and a very very ugly happy camper and a tour is curmudgeon wrote an op ed for c.n.n. as news dot com the hype his new book the suicide of a superpower the promise of his book and the promise of his op ed is that america is in decline no not because of failed supply side economics but instead because of the end of the white race mean overtly racist buchanan writes about immigration the majority of immigrants little legals come from third world countries and do not bring the academic or professional skills of european americans a decline a negative a test scores here at home and international competition is likely to continue as more and more of the children taking these tests will be african american and hispanic. pretty harsh so much for america being

a great melting pot i guess pat buchanan only likes white vegetables and some and that's very very. coming out the occupy wall street movement may soon be making their demands loud and clear details after the break. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions it's come to break through get through to be made who can you trust no one who is in view with a global mission that would see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more. fun. for.