but back to the big picture i'm sorry coming up in this half hour the occupy wall street protesters have proven they don't need the financial backbone of the one percent to function as a legitimate organization details of the next big move in just a moment and what exactly is fox so-called news off to when it comes to coverage of the occupy wall street movement in my daily take alaska very important question about how the one percent is reacting to the ninety nine percent who are taking to the streets.

you need to know this is big news coming from the occupy wall street movement last weekend as tens of thousands of people marched on times square the occupy wall street general assembly created a working list of demands specific policy changes that they are fighting for some of these demands include banning private court contributions to politicians overturning citizens united with a constitutional amendment passed in a national single payer health care system and ending the wars as working list that has yet to be adopted by the whole general assembly in new york city the plans are underway to hold a national assembly meeting next year on july fourth in the city of philadelphia where the group's website one male and one female delegate from each congressional district are below. acted by local occupy movements and will converge on

philadelphia to join others in creating a petition of grievances those grievances will then be submitted to all members of congress the supreme court and the president ahead of the two thousand and twelve elections well still unclear if other cities besides new york have agreed on this plan of action yet or even if new york is fully agree this is yet another sign that the occupy movement is growing and becoming more and more organized and specific and it's doing all this ordinary rallies around the world with hundreds of thousands of people out the help of secret millionaire public masters like the koch brothers or great army so isn't this what a real grassroots movement and real grassroots change looks like as opposed to manufactured outrage funded by billionaires like we saw with the tea party bill kirchen joins me now he's vice president for policy americans for prosperity one of the major organizations behind the tea party and you author of a new book democracy denied how obama is ignoring you and bypassing congress to

radically transform america and how to stop it they'll welcome back that's me tom nice read of the title there yeah it's a dramatic title that deserves a dramatic read. i'm curious as you know your organization has been very involved in the tea party movement dick armey you know. organizing processes that's a different group so if that's freedom or the freedom works ok so america but americans for prosperity has been involved in the tea party thirty stations what we've been very enlightened people yeah so what's your take on the difference between these two groups. it seems to me that if i may in fact it's seems to me that if you were to ask the leaders of the tea party movement that's what the people in congress are going to get going to answer i think the leaders are more the local organizers in the different cities who threw those original big tea parties on april fifteenth two thousand and nine that caught a lot of people off guard when we had even relatively mid-sized cities to have thousands of people turn out and the. it was really done with thousands of

volunteers around the country with loose coordination through conference calls and stuff like tax day tea party dot com but that really wasn't driven by any of the national digs and when you poll those people and you've seen these polls over the last year or so when you poll those people a bass majority of them on strong social security the vast majority of would like a national single payer health care system i don't agree with that it depends i guess the question i don't agree with that you know there are strongly opposed to a public option during the health care debate and they they they largely organized around that through the whole summer of two thousand yeah and they were afraid of death panels i mean they were there were a lot of those folks were operating or some rather substantial misinformation but there were some that i think a lot of them are also very very well informed many of them had read the actual legislation had specific criticisms of it so there was a bit of a mixed bag some people were misled a lot of people were very very well informed well here's where it where i'm going with this it seems to me that we are at this revolutionary moment or this this change moment as in the reagan revolution as in the f.d.r.

revolution as in the civil rights revolution i don't mean like you know guns the civil war the american revolution and. and there is this populist rage boiling on both sides the right and the left and it really should all be directed arguably at the banks there's a crash the system or and phil gramm who who deregulate you know pushed so hard to regulate the banks granted graham legally of the commodity let me just maters i think there's considerable overlap between the concerns of these two of these two groups the tea parties are principally concerned about abuse of power and the occupy wall street are principally concerned about abuse of power in the banking sector but really the reason that there was so much damage done is that there was collusion between those two groups there was a tremendous an overlap there banks that were able to influence policies to get special favors bailouts and so on and were able to get rid the system gamed the system you were talking about goldman sachs earlier seventy two percent of their contributions in two thousand and eight went to democrats they gave president obama

over a million dollars so this is a problem although now that much live well now they sort of see which way the wind is blowing and they want to get on board the next guy they hope they'll get as favorable treatment that the original impulse that launched the tea party the rick sense howley rant was about specifically mortgage bailouts and what he was saying is it's wrong for someone who's paid his mortgage bought a house he could afford to be forced as a taxpayer to bail out the guy who did a cash out rethought a big screen t.v. in a new boat and the rest of it now can't make its payments so fairness concern i think there is similarly a fairness concern motivating what we're seeing on occupy wall street it's very different sort of fairness concerns that are being based on sort of and aristotelian notion of justice that's based on the idea of someone else has more and i want it sort of based on the pill and so that i think is a is a very important to say that someone else has more i watered it's it is that we have seen the top one percent the last thirty years as a consequence of reaganomics exploded wealth while average working people's paychecks have gone in the toilet it's just gone in the tank and the ability of

average people whether it be cheaper already average people or whether it be you know occupy wall street every single the ability of our average people to have the . races for the halls of congress has become almost zero and i don't believe i don't agree with that to a certain extent i mean i think that reagan's economic policies were very successful we could debate that at length i didn't want to do that right now i mean twenty five million jobs created else then clinton was very successful in a certain respect but you're right that the portion of productivity gains that goes to labor has decreased you're right that there are some basic structural problems i think they've largely been caused by misguided government policies particularly regulatory policies and this is where we're going to go to her age policies are taxation policies well i think our tax code has been a total disaster and it's with she's the sort of special interests and lobbyists and i think we need to have a low flat rate i don't think that you can fix the problem see what i'd raise taxes rates for people i want everyone to pay at a low flat rate i think that if you do that the system can't be gained it's much more so you know so that we're going on the so you're saying somebody is making

five five or ten thousand dollars a year hang in our brother finials working part time as a greeter at walmart you want them paying federal income tax even though right now they are well i don't have a problem having a generous standard deduction but wherever we decide they don't want flight well i mean if you look at the whole robust a flat tax which is sort of the original model flat tax that's been used in eastern europe very very successful if there's no insight behind is you take a that and then you allowed to talk to bill it if wages on the business side and then you can tax the wages that the same rate you can build in an exemption to have that progress if that's how the flats have to work and so there is that that problems addressed in the model and what passes but the thought texas needs talked about it's like herman cain's tax would radically crash the tax paid by. the current of all permanent would radical only god is that hasn't got an exemption for folks and the poverty level built into his plan arthur laffer explains that the monster yeah but if you look at people in the forty thousand income bracket you know they're going to see a substantial fifty thousand sixty thousand seventy thousand we have a chart about this or if we have it available to us with

a graphic of this it shows you know right up to about two hundred fifty thousand dollars in fact we can pop it up on the screen here i think here. it is this is you know this is nonsense is the wrong graphic. the you know they're up to about two up to one quarter million dollars everybody has a tax increase above a quarter million dollars everybody gets a tax cut under her means. i'm prince nike's or think the tea party i'm really concerned about the public choice consequences of having so many people who aren't on the income tax rolls and of course reagan deliberately removed a lot of people on the rose bush lot of people from that's right and of course under herman's plan the payroll tax is eliminated so that fifteen point three percent tax goes away so that also need to be part of your distributional analysis but i'm much less his drive his plan for i'm much less interested in distributional now than i am and how we can get the economy moving and we can stop double and triple tax and savings and investment ok let's agree that we need to get the economy phil thank you fresher for.

it's time for a daily poll your chance to tell us what you think here is that is question well more than a thousand occupy wall street people have been arrested and jailed but any banks to or ever go to jail for financial or economic frauds your choices are yes eventually there will be major prosecutions of the banks toure's or no bankers will never see inside a jail cell hartmann dot com let us know what you think paul will be open until tomorrow morning. crazy alert looks like occupy wall street haters are getting desperate the right wing blogosphere caught fire yesterday over claims that occupy demonstrators are an asymmetric nazis lie because protesters in denver are wearing twitter hash tags on their clothes to designate them as community organizers or leaders who can answer

questions were dressed problems that arise in the crowd according one blogger from the far right website pajamas media these homemade ashton symbols constitute insignia that resembles swastikas as the blogger wrote don't these people see the acro of the swastika on their new pin power symbol now they realize that the early nazi party was also overtly and work out but almost now they know the early nazis try to garner sympathy with street rallies and margins they can't we're talking about baghdad symbol the pound symbol the same symbol it's in every trending topic on twitter it's on the bottom right hand corner of your telephone dial a did you know your phone may be a nazi communication device and you know the tick terror toas a secret nazi game is the game board is a hash tag was the real question here is a republican satan worshipers after all the stars in the party logo are upside down a queer sign of the devil. coming up the things we could learn from listening to

the one percent chat with each other is their reaction to occupy wall street born out of ignorance or now it's more of this inside still a thing. that drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions it's completely with great care a bit through diplomacy who can you trust no one who easily and with the global mission would see where we had a state controlled capitalism and school sessions with nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more.

your take my take is the segment of our show where we give you the opportunity to have your questions comments criticisms and opinions heard here on the big picture yesterday afternoon i was invited to be the expert on the mega panel segment of dylan ratigan show animals of the sea segment focused on getting special interest and corporate money out of national politics and the role of the occupy wall street movement is plain in bringing attention to the issue here's a look at some highlights from last night's andolan show. you have a wall that you say would make the moment that we're working on. unnecessary that

dates back to the eight hundred twenty s. well yeah i mean the amendment that you're talking about is a consequence of this idea that corporations are people and speech is money and there was a time in this country when we didn't believe that and this is a law that was passed to his constant and and it virtually every state had i mean this is just i was because i was and they were all pretty much identical. by corporation about corporations and unions no corporation doing business in the state should pay or contribute or offer consent or agree to pay or contribute directly or indirectly for any money property free services officers or employees or thing of value to any political party organization committee or individual or any political purpose whatsoever or for the purpose of interest which is influencing legislation of any kind or to promote or defeat the candidacy of any person for a nomination appointment or election to any political office and that was made as

a teenager or heavily eighteen penalty was five years in prison but one thing all rich white men at that point where what you know i mean how many decently nice elitist i did so many things the money for. she stood for a few things to me to do what we're going to do you just got as we were property and there were slave one hundred miles to a lot of these sort of bays by the way that it's a nuisance division situation where we had very strict principles about money and politics and we were like and you can buy slaves and women as you see fit and they were like you know maybe slaves and women are evil but maybe you should be able to buy the government it was always like we traded one sense of fair world we're going to be fair then. they were going to have to go to europe for say a president obama in two thousand and eight ran on the phrase fundamentally transforming america fundamentally changed america and and you know a lot of change happened i mean he did a lot of reasonable things a lot of good things i think in the. but the fundamental change hasn't happened

stuff like here constitutional amendment over other constitutional is sort of a billion dollars it was bad enough our financial regulations under a right the stuff made on his ability that was spent to auction off the drug deals and already has been opposite of dollars to small and and and not just under him exactly what is in the o.t. powers in congress and it's because this law couldn't be passed right now because the supreme court is it's a real pleasure. if we i were you would you know whether. wisconsin hello how many of you reading my column my life has taught me to see any of these ideas. already. sort of that whatsoever. i did get kind of fired up and by the way it's interesting dylan introduced that is saying that i was going to share a law that would render his constitutional amendment his suggestion that we amend

the constitution so that to say basically corporations are people unnecessary and actually he was misinformed better know where he got that from but i was there to that law we need to bring that back and it would require. his kind of constitutional moment here's one of the messages we received on the viewer rant line last night gown our man you are my hero i just why i feel i'm doing around it and then you grew everybody way the way that you spoke so clearly confetti free first thing three and passing it read it was amazing to me keep growing we love you so much. thanks for your support one of the reasons will and decided to focus on the issue of corporate money in politics on the show yesterday is that he's launched a campaign to get money out of politics by advocating for a constitutional amendment that would ban corporations from either directly or

indirectly contributing funds to any candidates to any candidates campaign for like that office you get full details on dylan's campaign and sign the petition supporting the amendment at get money out dot com as you just saw last night i said that a constitutional amendment is absolutely necessary because the supreme court has so perverted our nation with the doctrine that corporations are people and money is speech at laws like the one i read could no longer be passed they be declared unconstitutional another great site on the issue is by lawyer and former green party candidate for president david cobb it's move to amend or apropos of that tony tweeted with this question your thoughts on a constitutional amendment of separation of corporation and state yes tony please offer that that's in fact that's why i wrote the book that i was reading from a show yesterday on equal protection of corporations became people and how you can fight back in it you'll discover that no congress and no president has ever in the

history of the united states suggested that corporations should be considered people or that money should be considered speech that is entirely a creation the supreme court began back in eighty eight eighty six and several the justices were literally being bribed by the railroads the robber barrons to kick off this whole idea of corporate personhood the citizens united decision was birth in a law and we need a constitutional amendment to fix it and we need it soon so please check out those sites you can find links to both of them also over at tom hartman dot com that's it for your take my take the night if you like your comments and questions heard on this segment the big picture listen up. we want to know your just send us your comments by visiting the john martin facebook page play twitter that underscore apartment or in the chat room on the message board you can blog at tom hartman doug you can also leave a message on when line it's through to you by the research fifty three zero sixty

three disagree sound it's all welcome the remember the good comments made news on the air. i overheard a little chat about occupy wall street between two one percenters on fox so-called news last night early roger ailes sent his mustache geode talking head john stossel over to zuccotti park yesterday to get the scoop on what demonstrators are like and what they want and as you'd expect from fox so-called news this is what went out of their. stock box distraught she does your own. how a micro your whole stations corrupt a. course they only reflects what a few dozen out of

a few thousand demonstrators think or maybe more accuracy in their defense stossel does have a history of lying as columnist david sirota pointed out stossel has repeatedly lied about the effects of raising the minimum wage about pay disparity between men and women and about scientific consensus in regard to global warming among other things. and as far as occupy wall street demonstrators not being too pleased about seen a box so-called news camera crew and you really blame them when you consider how fox's covered the movement over the last month. i think if you put every single leftwing cause into a blender and hit power this is the sludge you'd get there are some of the most people if you listen to those who believe oh i like the one guy says we're second claims i think the only things affecting is traffic all of those quotes could have been said in seventeen eighty nine for a outs or the french revolution or the russian revolution or with only slight modification when the nazis were coming to power in hugo under fidel castro hugo

chavez in venezuela this is always the beginning of totalitarianism fresh from getting reamed out stossel then went on the o'reilly factor to talk to bill who has a net worth of about fifty million bucks about what occupy wall street really means and watching these two guys you have to wonder are these two multi-millionaires just not yet it or are they working really hard on behalf of their one percent on behalf of their corporate media overlords the republican lapdogs to marginalize the movement you do cite. the guy with the drug you're not puppets who are given rights when he said he got rid of beard that's your uncle isn't it because they don't call out. there are some people who are really inflamed i don't know what are they angry about. this just are. i don't know you know you have been

there you went down there i was here to talk about you do it discussion about capitalism how you came to be told what to do although no you don't know what do what annoyed or angry about everything this is just a visceral hatred of fox news and of me i mean actually occupy wall street is very specific about why they're angry and about what they want and occupy wall street working group has proposed electing and convening a national general assembly beginning on july fourth two thousand and twelve in philadelphia and they put out a declaration that clearly outlines or at least begins to shape their demands and just hating john stossel and fox so-called news didn't make the list that doesn't hurt some egos over there among the things that did not feel as though banning private contributions to politicians overturning citizens united with a constitutional amendment reforming the tax code so that wealthier americans pay

their fair share medicare for everybody reduction of the national debt reenactment of glass steagall student debt relief and ending the war. it's all pretty specific stuff and all things that a lot of other americans who aren't camped out on wall street would agree with but let's go back to the millionaires stossel on our rally and their take on this. ok look you don't know if you believe. that's true they all had their own little gifts doug schoen took a poll you know he's a former cleaner we're going to go to wall street journal and you guys all should we get article done so article today he's just well luckily i the bills advice i have doug schoen the whole right here take a look at it first let's listen to bill's take on. he says that most and more radical leftists they hate capitalism want to burn it but the system down that's the commonality here they want force redistribution of wealth i'm not arguing that

i think that's what it is right for her to worry about is fifty million bucks there most of them are radical leftists who want to burn the system down and want forced redistribution of wealth ok well let's take a look at the poll and see if those conclusions an out according to doug schoen poll results the same poll results a rally was just talking about when demonstrators were asked what they hope the occupy wall street movement will achieve these are the demonstrators thirty five percent of them said influence the democratic party the way the tea party has influenced the g.o.p. eleven percent said they hoped it would break the two party to operate but what about o'reilly's assertion that they want to radically redistribute wealth and capitalism well only four percent responded that they want radical redistribution and dissolution of our representative democracy last time i looked

four percent is not exactly a majority and another question were demonstrators were asked what frustrates them about the political system thirty percent said influence of corporate special interests twenty one percent said partisanship fifteen percent said joblessness only three percent said the capital system itself again not a majority. moving on let's hear what else stossel rally had to say about this. you're a little younger than me or a little older what older you're already looking younger right where you put all that surgery anyway whatever the woodstock vietnam thing oh all right yes there was a commonality there there was a we don't like the war and we want to get added there and they actually won the protesters actually won because public opinion turned against johnson in vietnam war subsequently was wound down but here are these people he looked leading and they're not going to win year looms last words look how he you of them there are

that's right i mean six thousand according to the new york times the boyscout chamber rehab three hundred thousand of them actually there were more than six thousand people in the streets as part of the occupy wall street movement this weekend hundreds of thousands of people across the planet took to the streets in nearly every single major city on earth and just like the poles were behind the anti vietnam war protesters the poles are behind the occupy wall street protesters too as even a so-called news poll showed last week seventy percent of respondents support the movement so what's going on here is stossel or o'reilly just not get it are they so far detached from the economic pain most americans are suffering and they can't fathom why anyone would be in the streets or is this something else are they trying to cover up the movement downplay it with lies pray that it just goes

away so that they don't end up paying more taxes or losing their power to say jump and have tea party republicans ask how. is the slogan goes they report you decide. as the big picture for tonight for more information on the stories we covered visit our website so tom hartman dot com free speech dot org and our team dot com also check out our two you tube channels the length of time our barbara starr show is also available as a free video podcast on i tunes and we have a free tom hartman i phone an i pad app in the app store and since feedback of twitter atomosphere are going to facebook and tom underscore are been one of wiseness it's all on the tongue and no forget the mocker see begins with you get out there get active tag your it see.

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