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just after midnight here in the russian capital you're watching our team let's begin with breaking news story from libya where government officials have confirmed the death of colonel gadhafi the news comes from the city of sirte which has reportedly been overrun by government forces and we have been looking at footage the last few hours in what appears to be put to much of the wounded colonel being taken captive officials say gadhafi had serious injuries to both his legs but believe since heard from the national transitional council that the current leader died. i want to get off the science has also reportedly been killed in syria while the be influential saif al islam is the son has reportedly been captured alive and well let's get some analysis now from the u.s. base antiwar activists and journalists dogged bar mr debar the killing of gadhafi is being hailed by the west as a major victory much like the a killing of osama bin laden was but is it really something to be celebrated at this point. well first of all hi tessa thank you. it's first of all the question is
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that it actually happened you know there are some reports. that web site for example was says the green committees in libya say that he is safe and you know that he's not going to come out and poke his head out just because this announcement was made but that he will be will be hearing from him that may be true who knows assuming that he is dead i say this reminds me more of when saddam hussein was captured rather than the killing supposed killing of osama bin ladin these bodies that have been produced and if you recall then everyone thought this was on december fourteenth of ninety eight of two thousand and three the war in iraq was supposed to be over shortly thereafter and as we now know that's about when it began in libya you have a million weapons that were handed out to the people who have been governing themselves by the way through popular congresses if you read the green book for quite a long time it's going to be interesting to see how now
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a government structure without bombing because nato says now the bombing can stop how they're going to actually govern people and tell them what to do when they've been used to governing themselves in the main and over the last thing that's interesting about this is that the form that was used in libya for a long time and you can read about that in the green book part one chapter six on popular congresses is the same form that springing up and nine hundred cities in the united states right now with the occupy wall street events and so you may see on the one hand gadhafi may well be dead in uprising in libya at some point in the near future and perhaps these revenge of the united states as people begin self-government in the form that he laid the green book thirty years ago you know we see a decent situation in libya going one direction but if gadhafi had lived for example and would get off he'd be standing trial at the hague had been a better outcome for the people of libya if he had been trying to be international court well that would be interesting to have a trial because at a trial you have to produce evidence and so. so the enabling charges at the time
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were that he was firing from the air on civilians the russian military has produced evidence that says that that wasn't true they had satellite surveillance of the events that were specified in the evidence presented to the un that enabled the resolutions nine hundred seventy one nine hundred seventy three they said specifically what here's the satellite photo photography from that time there was no aerial activity whatsoever so we trial would have been good i think for everyone because there would have been a presentation of evidence and even if the court was stacked by the way the united states doesn't recognise that court but even if the court were stacked against gaddafi at least there would have been an open airing of that it is simply people would have been able to make up their own minds about what had happened up to that point so i think it would have been better yes all right let's talk now about the natives that continuing a military intervention and you need have also said that the press and their presence would continue even if and when gadhafi is out of the picture what do you think it will take to end this foreign presence in libya. wow it seems actually
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it's i mean many people have characterized this is a popular uprising but oddly this popular uprising required nato to bomb the hell out of libya for eight months that was unnecessary and sunni shia and that wasn't necessary in egypt and in each of those two cases the revolution took place inside of weeks so i wouldn't characterize it that way at all rather i would say that the entire episode is a foreign intervention and that nato was well represented on the ground in the n t c as apparently is al-qaeda and so i think going forward as they attempt to engineer events on the ground number one as i said they're going to have to contend with the response from the libyan people who are armed and who are used to governing themselves and number two they're going to have to impose things to pay for that you know i assume that nato is there for a reason one they want to put it in a military base in africa rather than base their african man from stood guard because no african country would have it and now they are active in africa you've
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had what happened in court why you've had this you have us going into uganda the activity of somalia and so the first thing that you're going to see i think is a presentation of american forces african nato whatever form it takes trying to base itself in libya and a response from the libyan people and then there's going to be how the money that is brought into the country for oil is dispersed because before it was used to build libya from the poorest country in the world to one where everyone on their home had an education through the university level paid for and health care that situation if that's not maintained and the reconstruction of the country is in and of the mediately going to see a very long protracted war i think that no matter what the intent is of nato or the n.c.c. the fact is going to be that there's going to be turmoil there and maybe even any generation of these forces and a return of the prior can situation right as you mentioned the reconstruction i mean we will be good for the libyan people even. is that immediately but the
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reality is it is a difficult and long process do you think the people of libya can fend for themselves now that much of their infrastructure and defense capabilities hadn't destroyed of course by need to bombings as well as well as of the conflict inside do you think they're able to get out of this and really build a country again well they have the oil wealth to do that again forty two years ago when gadhafi took power this was the poorest country on the planet that includes all of the countries of africa and south america and asia and they are far from that now the u.n. report that was issued at the end of last year showed that the people of libya had a standard of living comparable to that of the people of the so-called first world so the where with all this they are to reconstruct certainly that entire country has had been devastated although it's been badly damaged there is an infrastructure upon which to build there are still that the large water supply system that was constructed for example still exists in the main much of the oil to pass city still
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exists a lot of the housing stock still exists and so you know this gift if the will is there if the government's intent if you're going to call the n.c.c. now a government if their intent is to do the repair it can be done if the repair isn't done there's something else operating and i think the people there will wonder what that is right as always thanks very much for your thoughts live from new york there talking to us at the war activists and journalists and on the farm thank you thank you jessica. i will leave would like to know what you think about the death of colonel gadhafi today we're asking you the dead what happens now in libya and so far the most popular response is less crowded oil fields surrounded by chaos will emerge and years of painful and slow recovery comes second and some of you say the colonel's death will lead to a green zone in tripoli and tribal control elsewhere and only four percent of you say election reform disparity again head to our to dot com and cast your vote. now greek lawmakers have passed a new round of austerity measures that have led to violent protests on the streets
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of athens between rival groups of protesters already say one person died while dozens were injured as more than fifty thousand dumbest raters gathered in the city's main square outside parliament reports now from mountains. people like dan let me back very quickly all syntagma square as we got to take as being used in the crowds we're not sure exactly what that setting off but everyone's just trying to. you could see people being pushed back by the riot police now larry said here good poetry for bush really for our age i'm a director of the of the national defense and maybe tomorrow before her. and that's what a lot of people said they wanted today to be peaceful once again i guess is the reason the crowd this seems to be really very shocking we've seen divisions among the protesters themselves today everyone united completely in their opposition to the government as it were trying to do to hold all the political system of groups and
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for you know who infiltrated. people here do you fill it stream the angry we see not anger reaching boiling point high then again here on the streets of athens. it's an extremely volatile situation that the rest of europe and the usa needs going to be watching this very closely because this isn't just a problem that affects greece it is a situation that affects the entire year it's a arrival to a northern cos of an hour nato peacekeepers have unleashed tear gas on ethnic serbs pushing them away from a disputed border crossing now the serbs have barricaded the area claiming it belongs to them as they still don't consider kossovo an independent country artist but if that option is there with the latest for us now. we are now at the scene of the tensions of this tent of between the soldiers of k. for the nato led peacekeeping force here in kosovo and the cost of insert civilians the soldiers have come here earlier in the morning as you can see on ahmed to be
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called the riot least three of them behind this very case all as you can see looking frightening in full riot gear to try to remove the barricades that ethnic serbs erected here three months ago but the ethnic serbs living here in kosovo have gathered here to prevent the peacekeepers from doing that from taking the barricades away as they say nato as well as k. for here in the region not as paid peacekeepers but they are exceeding their mandate the u.n. security council resolution number twelve forty four the only legal reason for them to be here but they're right now rather it's just in pristina in all its institutions over the course of a over. the territory that the ethnic serbs see as their heartland as an independent state they don't recognize course of his two thousand and eight self proclaimed independence and don't recognize the authorities and laws and institutions from time to time the peacekeepers are using loudspeakers address into
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the crowd and calling on that to disperse and threatening otherwise the force would be used and from time to time they are using these words which is happening gas pepper spray this is something like tear gas it has the same impact on human being as the tear gas has but serbs are not ready to surrender as they say they're protecting themselves with masks using special liquid to wash their eyes and they say they will be here until the very end as long as it is needed to protect their rise from time to time the leaders of the serbs here are dressed in crowd calling on. to remain calm and peaceful as much as you can see the situation may look this is very dramatic this is an absolutely no win situation and tensions very high and it's boiling. all the time last month when try to remove the barricades by
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force they used tear gas against protesters and rubber bullets even and at least seven civilians have been injured and this time as well fears are growing that it could be violent and they could be blood and the victims from both sides. are ready for national on the ground and possible there and she's been updating us with all the latest on air and online as well so you can head to our twitter page for all the latest from her as well as all the new videos by our you tube channel.
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here's a quick look at some other world news. the. tear gas to disperse the protests. peaceful march for educational reforms. the today strike was calling for quality education and students also the president . to distribute. education rallies have been ongoing for several months. heading for higher ground as the country's worst. parts of the capital the government says it will be impossible to protect the city. as a prime minister declared a national crisis over three hundred people have died in floods with at least a third of the nation's provinces still water logged. thousands of acres of
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farmland have suffered billions of dollars of damage although that figure is expected to rise. the basque separatist group. would have to say. it comes after this week's conference in spain attended by international. group to lay down its arms. quote a direct dialogue over eight hundred people were killed by the terrorist group for decades. in northern and southern france. now the first ever launch of a russian rocket from a western platform has been it temporarily postponed due to some technical difficulties well carrying a european satellite navigation system called galileo the rocket is now scheduled to set off for space from a french guyana on friday or does that help bushnell reports now on the promising project. the director of the european space agency reacted calmly to the delay he
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called a proven vehicle and says he doesn't want any more in issues to affect the launch the organizing committee area and it's says liftoff may be put back to friday seven thirty am local time or saturday its head also insists the problem is not serious issues with refueling valves on launch vehicles are fairly common but on officially there's talk about the space center that the launch may be postponed for longer to make sure everything goes smoothly soyuz has by far the world's best launch success rates with over ninety percent of it seventeen hundred plus takeoffs going as planned people who've seen the base in baikonur will recognize the set up here the russian team behind has built the same joint crater or flame ball around the launch pad to take exhaust gases and noise away from the rocket much of the equipment is built in russia before being shipped to french guyana the e.u. says it wants this to be as successful as the base in russia with the aim of
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sending an improved version of america's g.p.s. into space more on the project in this report drivers find g.p.s. navigators can often be inaccurate and actually cartel to built up zones but the new e.u. competitor called galileo promises me to point precision even in open areas where buildings currently mosk g.p.s. coverage to send the satellites into orbit europe's chosen the soyuz launcher with its own rival track record by far the most valuable laundry for in the world. and i miss that. we. used to hear from treasury e.u. space chiefs say shows you don't need to be complicated to succeed russian system very simple and effective it's a very good way of designing the politicians think it will launch a new partnership between europe and russia in what used contrary actually contributes to industrial scientific and technical. corporation for example. it is
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important stop on the way to reason the level of quality of our business ties and diversification of its structures the man in charge of the law says it's full superior to the us system he's here to join the but it should galileo's first satellites lifting off from french. the earth rotates the here by the way to give you an ideal catapult effect on takeoff i think you around the clear skies and you have to be perfect conditions for launching into space america's g.p.s. has enjoyed a monopoly on the world certain of market till now with so use also behind bushes also to g.p.s. known as gloominess competition in the school is about to get just a little more crowded than you see french guiana a large will broadcast as sturrock so he's launched live on friday at around ten thirty g.m.t. so do stay with us for the full coverage from. all moscow court has found the main suspect in the killing of russian football found guilty of premeditated murder
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speeded off was shot dead in december two thousand and ten by a north caucasus native with an encounter turned violent artie's jacob grieves to get it gives us the latest now on the court's verdict. took hours that intends to liberation by the jury ending it all important crucial vote now they found that the principal defendant in this case our son to chose a call was guilty of all charges against him for murder attempted murder who do commit them and also when it came to assault now he pleaded not guilty when it come to nurture saying that even though he fired the weapon that killed your series dog he did so in self defense and without intention to kill or maim now that the jury has ruled against her lawyer has said they will be at healing it in the future there were five other defendants actually at this time who stood trial and they will be found guilty of the lesser charges of who are going to some kind assault
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and this all takes us back to the same but two thousand and ten what he says and heard it close a drunken rule between two sides that is spartak moscow fans of which eagle syria doll for the past and also those in the dock today who originated from the north caucuses to really gain the headlines and gather momentum as a story a couple of days later that's why start at moscow china's took issue with the release of bear some of those who had been involved in this incident to their protest to money square just outside the kremlin walls play numbered about five thousand today and so so it has to be said visitors really high you check somewhat by old trash is how the time charge seems racist slogans were sore scenes of them clashing with police as well and many saw this is a example of simmering ethnic tensions and ever since this case and more coarsely the burden that we've heard today has been the spotlight. i'll be back with a recap of our top stories in
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a less than ten minutes but for now well the occupy wall street movement showing no signs of abating r.t. talks to author and blogger james councilor who says president obama is a hostage to big business now his interview. archie is sitting down with author blogger and public speaker james howard kunstler so thanks so much for joining us and it's nice to be here let's get started with
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the occupy wall street movement is seen many media outlets try to ridicule them marginalize this movement as something that's temporary and really an artist teenage behavior and you've essentially called this bogus in your blog let's talk about that what is your take on occupy wall street well first of all i think it's hello larry that all of these scolds in the media are shaking their fingers at these young people and say oh you know you can articulate your position you have any agenda we're living in a time in the united states when the consensus about reality is so fractured even among people who are supposed to know what's going on that we cannot construct a coherent story about what's happening to us and what we're going to do about it so to expect the young people to be able to construct a coherent narrative when nobody else in the culture is capable of doing that i think is a little unfair. what's more you can tell just from the
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placards that they're carrying around we know where their heads are at the the most significant or telling one that i saw said. i have seventy thousand dollars college debt twelve thousand dollars in medical bills i'm twenty two where's my bailout that's a good enough reason to be out there i think so and i think what it represents is very clear it's the idea that this younger generation feels like their future has been sold out from under them but with major unions joining we've seen a much more kind of mature knowledgeable group of people come out onto the streets thousands of people do you think that's reason enough for the media and politicians to really start taking this seriously i don't know if we're capable of really interpretating what's going on politically in our country right now you know i have a pet theory that the more social and economic distress
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a culture goes through the greater the delusional thinking gets so that you know as the social stress rises the crazy ideas and delusional ideas and tend to increase it's not a very. good it's not a very good set of conditions for you know arriving at a picture of reality if we compare occupy wall street to the arab spring we saw american politicians on the mainstream media plotting the arab spring yet this is somewhat of a similar beginning of some uprising along those lines isn't the old double standard a little bit too obvious yeah it's amazing it's amazing that we were cheerleading for all those people in the street in tahrir square you know anderson cooper was down there and you know all the other. usual media suspects were there cheering for the protesters in spite of the fact that there was a very good chance that the outcome of the revolution might not be so good let's
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put it this way you know the outstanding feature of the politics in the last three years has. been that nobody on wall street has had to sit in a court room to answer for the tremendous amount of misbehavior in banking and you know this includes acts that can only be described as swindles and frauds well people have been talking about the lack of accountability ever since the financial meltdown took place three years ago but we haven't seen anybody come out onto the streets why now and do you think that this movement could end up taking america to a better place at least in terms of pushing politicians to hold someone accountable it's just that i do think there's a reason why we haven't seen a lot of protests the kind of things that have been happening to americans are very
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shameful they lose their job they lose their income they can't support their families they can't feed their families their house gets taken away from them you know these are things that tend to be humiliating and shameful and i think that because of the way our system works where you know this is the land of freedom and liberty people blame themselves and they internalize the lot of the bad feelings and then you know they suppress it because it's shameful the combination of the shame and the anger that's all kind of mixed up with that has not really expressed itself and it may take a bit more to shove it over the edge you may take you know a bit more hardship now in one of your articles you say the hope invested in obama will end up in a museum of lost hopes along with the integrity of t.v. news i want to ask you if this were to be obama's only term as president what would he be remembered like in history well i voted for obama i think that he's probably
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when all is said and done he's probably a decent chap but it also appears that he's either a hostage to history or a hostage to. certain factions in our culture and economy like the wall street bankers. remember over a thousand people were successfully prosecuted for the misdeeds in the savings and loan scandals of the late one nine hundred eighty s. and early one nine hundred ninety s. no significant figure from the banking community has really been even sat in a court room and had to answer for any of their their deeds you know there have been a couple of fluky cases including bernie made off you know these are outliers these are the marginal cases but really the heart of the system hasn't been touched i think that. mr obama will be remembered as kind of a spectacular failure james howard kunstler thank you so much your time.
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more news today once again flared up. these are the images. from the streets of kandahar. operation to rule the day.
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back and watching arts in the moscow here's a recap of our main story starting with breaking news a fallen dictator of this footage is released as colonel gadhafi dies from his injuries after being shot by government troops during his capture earlier on thursday. the requirement passes new tough austerity measures as protests saw the streets of greece continue to paralyze the country for the second day a one person is reported dead and dozens injured in clashes between rival groups of protesters. and peace breakers and nato forces clash with serbs in northern cost.

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