hello i'm tom hartman washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture libya's ousted dictator moammar gadhafi is dead so what does this mean for the future of libya and what does it mean for our foreign policy initiatives in the arab world and speaking of revolution things have taken a serious turn for the worse in reefs as a viewer out of austerity measures came down the pike that greece isn't alone when it comes to civil unrest so what's really causing all the fed up protests and demonstrations around the world and answer i mean. you need to know this momar khadafi is debt news broke this morning of the ousted

libyan leader who'd been on the run since tripoli fell in august was captured and killed by national transitional council forces as hometown of sirte the last remaining stronghold procrit of the forces president obama reacted to the news earlier today. this is a momentous day in the history of libya the dark shadow of tyranny has been lifted and with this enormous promise the libyan people now have a great responsibility to build an inclusive and tolerant and democratic libya that stands as the ultimate rebuke to get out these dictatorship. he tale surrounding it obvious death is still murky apparently a nato airstrike intercepted a convoy fleeing sirte in the early morning hours it was believed to have been carrying khadafi but rebel forces are saying that he was actually found hiding in a holding ground grainy cell phone videos appear to back that claim up as one video

shows what looks to be a bloodied but still alive gadhafi being carried around by road with horses and another video in the same nature shows what appears to be could obvious corpse shortly after a libyan doctor confirmed with the a.p. that could off he was killed by gunshot wounds one in the chest and one of the back of the head so with the tyrant dead the libyan revolution now continues and raises a lot of questions exactly role what role did the united states play in this revolution what lessons can be learned from future for future and gauge ones in the arab world here to offer some answers is professor stevenson is professor of politics at the university of san francisco and a contributor to foreign policy in focus professor welcome. thank you for joining us there was heavy nato involvement in this one hundred this tie into the arab spring. strikingly different thing for the arab spring has been the people themselves are dealing with people themselves largely through massive

non-cooperation more and more than consider it a legitimate authority break will too by withdrawing support calls housings regimes to collapse but in arms and bring in outside assistance and sense it's. it's going to very different kind of. rebel pocket libyans want to be gone as much as a consumption ethan's one of their respective dictators gone the entertainment from the outside a make that makes it hard and many ways to claim the revolution through areas that would have been better if if gadhafi had been captured alive and if so why or if not why are they wasting the tab to see how serious the new leaders are in terms of the rule of law. if the initial reports are correct that he was summarily executed it's not a very good sign and that's also the difference between a largely nonviolent at least on armed revolutions and.

using. guns and outside military intervention in the light in the former case when it's been largely a popular civil insurrection largely nonviolent the vast majority of them just transitioned from dictatorship to democracy whereas more often than not when you have regimes overthrown through armed course you have this belief that the centrality of martial values to lead bankcard mentality that sort of thing well and not to become just another dictatorship. of the same variety yours how confident or dissonant with the obama foreign policy is has been our involvement in this and for that matter is there a clear obama foreign policy. no not hard to say i do think. the interest credit he made sure that the requests reform programs from the from the

people themselves approved by the arab league what united nations or certainly nato would be yond it's me. i believe in the coming not just protecting civilians but since when you come on one side in a civil war. are certain but i do like the fact that obama was willing to work we had other nations instead of this the kind of unilateral. lateralus them all the rest of the world found out who we saw under bush bush and cheney so this is. a hallmark of obama's foreign policy a very rapid response policy not all isolationist very indeed very much nationalist or one. is more inclusive of. other countries and apparently more nuanced in some ways yes correct me if i'm wrong my understanding is that countries like egypt with a long and literally three thousand year long history even though they're large and cover a large area there's

a sense of national identity there were there were cultural social political institutions in place for centuries if not millennia. but that's very much not the case in libya that libya is a fairly large land area with twenty some odd twenty seven twenty nine something like that tribes and that these tribes have been kind of loosely agglomerated largely since for well going into the country of libya if that's the case my understand is correct in that please correct that how does you know what does that auger for the future but is that going to mean for the future where you have this. but i guess a forty seven getting to where they were going out really. was about. to go back centuries and not necessarily as libyans i mean the city states and certainly in benghazi. go back many many somethings and so yes it is an ancient culture but how long live your chris said you know this country we think it is on the mount. royal invention in many ways at the same time

a. crime because our policing growth. rate urbanization. intermarry a lot of very radical social changes that have taken place over the next forty years because there is more to live in i don't see certainly there wasn't one country was founded one which presumably is a good thing for reforming a society but back to the point you made earlier about the difference between societies that make the transition. out of one dictatorship into something else using with or without violence how does this country how does libya move from the militarized society who just had a civil war into a democracy and ideally a secular democracy and and apropos of that are there any efforts being made that you know of to avoid vengeance killings you know the tribal retaliation. fortunately already seen some of those and that's again one of the problems that

when we. sell these kinds of market values as part of the national reparations struggle you're going to contrast. where there's a lot of hate. because you can't remember the star unless you have majority people on your side so you look at your program give and take you work with other groups or you get some kind of consensus but quite experienced. given. that you're really trying to be as inclusive as possible but again it's a much not a star of our armed uprising. so the. chances of getting the nominal government where the people want. the. government serves that's what i want to question ok stephen students thank thanks so much for being with us tonight. great to have you on as my old friend to gregory

told me way back in one thousand nine hundred one we were both flying over the atlantic ocean you know things doesn't need to run all over the world forcing democracy on other nations down their throats or the barrel of a gun as he said when you get something really good you don't have to force people it will steal as we see in the arab world today at least in the nations that we didn't invade young people are apparently stealing democracy. crazy alert doomsday deja vu our favorite doomsday prophecy or prophesies or prophecy whatever prophets harold camping has set a new date for the end of the world morrow six months after his first end of the world date may twenty first ever came to fruition and the now says judgment day will come on october twenty first. learned. things that we.

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bush tax cuts ever trickled down as promised. coming up is decision time for the g.o.p. will they finally approve job creation or will they let nearly half a million people lose their jobs. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions completely to break through get through to be made who can you trust no one who is in view with a global mission would see where we had a state controlled capitalism that's called sasha's when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more.

as libya begins the process of creating a new government a nearby nation is dealing with a full on revolt against their government for the second straight day massive protests and strikes rocked greece as demonstrators rally around a new round of austerity measures as a result of a forty eight hour strike well government buildings are shut down transportation services are impaired and hospitals are operating a bare minimum staff levels in athens and tens of thousands of people have taken to the streets in front of parliament are going to vote on legislation that will raise

taxes on average greeks and cut twenty percent out of public workers' paychecks as one protester a bookshop employee said about the events unfolding in his nation these protests will continue this government is finished we shouldn't have to pay for the crisis caused by the international bankers but members of parliament believe the sort of austerity is needed in order to secure a bailout from the european union which will meet this weekend to approve an eight billion dollar or eight billion euro actually aid package to greece about what ten eleven million dollars without that aid greece claims it will run out of money next month which could trigger a global financial panic that is last scare anyone really the answer here after all what if previous austerity measures done for greece besides bringing the nation even closer to financial ruin frankly they've done nothing but there's even a bigger picture than that from what we saw in greece to what we saw happen in

libya today to what we've seen over the last few months back in london what we're what we're seeing right now in the united states of the occupy wall street movement there's an incredible transformation underway all around the planet. and the reason why in large part is that young people are bad up there is a global recession that is hitting young people and it is hitting young people among the most very very hard the international labor organization says that in the age group of fifteen to twenty four these are people who typically you know like during the summer have summer jobs or are just entering the workforce seventy five million people are unemployed in this area four point six million from two thousand and eight so there's a dramatic increase in unemployment among this group in the u.s. just this past summer we had. zero x. there's a twenty percent unemployment rate overall for young people in the o.e.c.d. countries in the u.s.

was the summer we had a forty eight only forty eight percent of young people had a job. i think that after of them were unemployed this is the end this is the time typically when people will get a summer job to get the money to make it through the rest of the year to pay for college at whatever they're doing only forty eight percent this is the lowest rate that's ever been recorded by the bureau of labor statistics outstanding student loans by the way topped a trillion bucks this year they're larger than credit card debt for the first time in the history of the world we're the only nation by the way with this kind of served policy in these kind of absurd student debts. these these impacts are going to be really really far reaching there is something that the o.e.c.d. the organization of economic cooperation of all of the thirty four most industrialized nations the o.e.c.d. calls we are here's how the wage scar works the longer a period of unemployment the bigger it's effect first of all so you hear for example you take two men with the same education the same grades coming out of

school and living in the same place the same residence the same parents level of education so you know comparable families and the same i.q. through so. if one of them is unemployed before twenty three for one year before the age of twenty three if they spend just one year being unemployed ten years later that person or in ten percent less than his identical peer wasn't employed for years that's that's the wage scar this is going to drags out over time for women the gap is sixteen percent. it there's also there's a similar wage there's similar wage scar so this penalty persists by the way although it shrinks by the time the person is forty two years old it's it's a twelve percent for women and fifteen percent for men but still that's significant that that means that just that one year of unemployment coming out of high school

coming out of college coming into the workforce just one year of unemployment is enough to cause a lifelong diminishing. reduction in a person's ability to earn and thus their standard of living and young people are figuring this out thirty years of reaganomics that are nomics whatever you want to call it neo liberalism noton friedman is a machine called a school economics this is that i.m.f. economics is what we've been through and basically since that pattern reagan came to power thirty years of this has stripped not just our nation but many nations around the world of their jobs some of the countries that are not following these economic policies by the way doing very very well thank you very much look at south korea for example taiwan china japan but here we've been we're just screwed the future is looking pretty bleak so young people many of them are confronted with this stark choice and live on the streets or take to the streets and many of them

are doing the latter they're taking to the streets and you have the arab spring young people in the middle east say that's it we're going we're the riots in london and the occupy wall street movement it's time to paraphrase our president fundamentally change the system. now president obama may finally be getting the message when it comes to jobs but it looks like republicans aren't to filibuster or not to filibuster that's the question republicans will face tomorrow when senate majority leader harry reid brings legislation to the senate floor to create four hundred thousand jobs one week after republicans filibustered president obama's and i are american jobs act reid scheduled to vote for friday for tomorrow on just one piece of the jobs act it gives thirty five billion dollars in aid to states so that they can hire teachers firefighters and cops earlier this week here's how president obama pitched his new strategy to pass his jobs act he spoke

he's. this morning i'm asking members of congress to vote oh my god knows we're going to break up might just maybe they just couldn't understand the whole thing oh it was. so so we're going to break it up in a bite size pieces. so they can take take a thoughtful approach to this latest like take a thoughtful approach or just dismiss it off the bat is they done with every single other piece of job creation legislation supported by the president if republicans choose to filibuster tomorrow and they'll have a lot of explaining to do the bill is completely paid for thanks to a half percent surtax on individuals who are earning more than a million bucks a year again that's just a half percent surtax on millionaires can create or save nearly a half million new jobs around the country not only that poll after poll shows that at least two thirds of americans support raising taxes on millionaires and a recent c.n.n. poll found seventy five percent of americans support this particular part of the

american jobs act so republicans decided to filibuster tomorrow and what we all see proof that republicans don't care at all what americans want just want to crash the economy next year to her obama's reelection chances here offer his take on this is now aspirate c.e.o. radio talk show host of truth for america and author of the book conscientious equity or cut yet conscientious equity is neil walker exactly hey tom thanks for having me back thanks for joining us you know could you please name one area where the top one percent are are pitching in and doing any kind of sacrifice to help resolve this. bush republican great recession. well tom thanks for asking that because in your lead up to this you've actually set it up for me you've been answered that question the young people are hurting so why do we want to penalize and taps our job creators this isn't about the one person that is

there and you are using these are suggesting the job somebody has a bunch of money in the bank or has a huge income but there are a job creator is that what you're saying or you try to reinvent the word rich into the word jobs are you saying that i'm saying that the people that you're calling millionaires are are just creating i can you know you want to get out of here is a suit i know is right for a missile. you are that doesn't have a true there you. the truth was seriously here you re trying to put your i put enough for him if you don't study the site isn't the moderate democrats are behind us not even bill clinton the latest one says i'm here are so thick you could cut them with a knife your the idea that just because somebody has a high income somehow they're a job creator this is total b.s. and you know what the job creators are people buy things please name for me one rational business person who's seen demand for their product and an opportunity to

make more money but they'd have to have the most of their employees to do it is going to say no i don't think i'll do that because to pay more taxes on my own personal income. well it will tom i'm an entrepreneur and first and foremost in my company's growing i just raised fifteen million dollars of my own money and some debt the black american manufacturing companies that are struggling so i can keep jobs in america are one of those people that you're mentioning and you want to take that money away from me and giving it to a government that's wasting it or do you want me to hire people in this economy and give them good paying american manufacturing jobs and their spells and the people out there like me who want to chance who want to jump in but they're totally confused by the message of this congress and this government deal if if wealthy people and god bless you if you've got fifty million bucks if you want to go out and make money with that without my money it's if you know or if you want to borrow

fifty million dollars and go out and i parents and sort of has this america and you want to hire the company of her do so if you want to hire people whose who are going to generate for you more money than they cost you i wish you well on that the but that has nothing to do with whether or not you should be here pay income taxes whether he know i don't know yet meanwhile care but i don't get why first million dollars of your income there's going to be no change in the taxes you pay and and if you pay if you make an extra hundred thousand bucks after that first million are going to pay five hundred dollars in taxes and that will fund this is this one half of one percent increase in taxes after you make a million bucks. and that will thawed four hundred thousand jobs why would you be opposed to that those are four hundred thousand people carol also essential because the words are the hottest starter is a nonstarter she's not going to get through moderate democrats if this ever makes it to the house you're going to have the modern democratic senate democrats from

conservative districts running for the hills you don't have the democratic votes on something like this everybody will then have to scream out if you're going to hold on for a while i'm asking just this simple radicchio i think we're ok well let me get i'm sorry i'll get back to exactly what you asked were a subchapter s. it means that our corporate taxes are passed on to our personal taxes like million of both are small businesses in this country so it's our business that's going to get taxed on its third business and it's millions of other small businesses that's going to get taxed and they're not going to be hiring people there are you hiring the illegal right as opposed to us are actually are supporting. several sub s. corporations i brought a bunch of c. corporations in my life and you and i both know if you've got a million dollars in profit sitting around a sub-s. corporation you're nuts you need to convert that to a c corporation absolute moral rewarding promise of that you guys lay down the money and we had already back on hiring people i'm going to know what you're telling me right now is that you know i'm not going to corporations. you know what

i'm telling you right now is that i'm out there doing what you want me to do and that is to buy american manufacturing companies to keep them here in ohio i don't know if you're there or not we elect i don't you know what i would i would like to this is the other americans young people that you origen hundred thousand people out there with enough money in their pockets to buy the products that you want to make so you can make a buck what's wrong what come why is the federal government spending money to bail out the states should the states worry about this guy is the answer to our road to hell because we're in this is not to because the thirty years of reaganomics is driven us into virtually a depression and then and people are clear on economics which essentially was the same thing as reaganomics it exactly what it was that's what i said on the early hears of reaganomics we have been doing this for thirty years. but bill clinton i do you do you do you support proposes a bill clinton by and large no i think i think we have been bill clinton there's

been absolute continuity basically since one thousand nine hundred one in our trade policies in our economic policies i mean clinton raised taxes three percent big he actually had a balanced budget but you know any i will deal were flat out of its will but i think i hope we can continue this on it's been a great discussion i do to thank you all for dropping by good. to really understand what a half percent tax hike on millionaires means you have to understand how marginal tax rates work marginal is the magic word vice president biden knows other work he said this yesterday you have a one half of one percent surtax on the million and one dollar in other words it doesn't affect anybody who makes nine hundred ninety nine thousand dollars it doesn't affect anybody making nine hundred ninety nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollars and if you want to find a guy who makes one million and one dollars it only affects that one dollar that's the only thing the rate goes up if you make one point one million and god willing

this passes you would pay next year five hundred dollars more in taxes let me show you what this means and for you herman cain fans out there this will soon be tax free used food ok here we have. this are with facts by the way to ben cohen who inspired this he's done this before with cookies and another topic but variation this is these are the various tax rates ok this is this is and each cookie represents ten thousand dollars more or less so this is the ten percent tax rate of the fifteen percent tax rate this is up to thirty four thousand this is the twenty five percent tax rate this is up to eighty three thousand so we get a cookies this is the twenty eight tax rate percent tax rate that's up to one hundred seventy four thousand so we have seventeen cookies here this is the thirty three percent tax rate this is. up to three hundred seventy nine thousand so that's you know thirty seven cookies there and then this is what you have if you have zero

if you if you make a million bucks that you know ten thousand dollars a cookie there's one hundred cookies here actually there's an outer hundred cookies that i don't know actually there's one hundred cookies or so here's how it's going to work what president obama and what joe biden and what would what the democrats are proposing is that somebody who makes a million dollars does not pay an extra penny of taxes on their first eighty five hundred dollars they still pay only ten percent on that they opiate extra penny in taxes on their next thirty four thousand dollars they stood there and we pay fifteen percent on that so this is a marginal tax rates where they pay the same taxes as if somebody only made thirty four thousand up to thirty four thousand but are going to pay an extra penny on their first eighty three thousand dollars that we tax from thirty four thousand eighty three thousand and twenty three from three percent i did it hundred seventy four thousand dollars and i'm going to get extra penny on that i will be taxed at twenty eight percent from the hundred seventy four thousand three hundred seventy nine thousand dollars that i'm going to pay an extra penny on that that would be taxed at thirty three percent and from three three hundred seventy nine thousand to

a million dollars they're not going to pay an extra penny on bad either but if they made one extra thousand dollars or one hundred thousand dollars or actually be ten more of these then they would pay five hundred bucks half a cookie actually not even that a fragment of that trip that's a whole that not all the way down or cookie monster time are going to pass this bill. i mean there's a right wing think tank working hard to make sure you're putting in your eight hours even when you're sick as a dog a possible dying fate of paid sick leave in the workplace after the break. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians. it's completely.