with r.t. live from moscow. welcome to the program the british parliament is preparing to vote on whether to hold a referendum on its continued membership of the european union the debate was forced after more than one hundred thousand people signed a petition demanding to have a say and the vote won't be binding but prime minister david cameron is a staunch supporter of the e.u. and faces a rebellion in his own party some sixty conservative m.p.'s are defying government orders and will support the idea of a nationwide referendum. for dissenting tories to reconsider saying this is a delicate time for the e.u. for more perspective on the vote we are joined by robert oulds chairman of the foreign policy group. i thank you for joining us today so there is a sense that britain's got all it wanted from the e.u. and now that it appears the good times are over some in britain want to leave what's what's your take on that. or the u.

is an enormous cost or to both british taxpayers and the british economy it's a video millstone around the neck of this country british taxpayers have to pay billions to the you each year british businesses have burdened by excessive e.u. regulations and really we want to have a say in our own country again the you understand the u.k.'s democracy because e.u. law has suprema see over national law most new laws are made by the institutions of the european union based in brussels that is wrong wm power should be returned to people that we've actually elected in this country and the british people want a referendum to return those powers but what about what about the actual the benefits of staying with the e.u. would you leave all about just behind for the sake of calling yourself independent we've where we've experienced massive trade benefits between the e.u. members free movement across the e.u. access to cheap credit is it really all just doom and gloom. well trade with the european union we can continue with whether we're members of it or not switzerland

is not a member of the european union yet that trades with other businesses and people within the e.u. norway isn't a member of the european union yet that still trades mexico has a free trade agreement with the european union but that does not run by brussels the united states exports more to the euro zone than the u.k. does yet they're not in the european union you don't have to be in the european union to trade with it and of course leaving would give us an advantage we wouldn't have to be paying the european union billions each year we'd be better off out of the european union and the british people know that what their chance to have a referendum which they were originally promised by all three political parties so as you as you say leaving the european union would benefit the british taxpayer but you know the british public has always loved a little euro uproar going back to when the e.u. attempted to regulate the shape of but not as and the euro skeptics accused it of banning straight but nonexistent this possibly much of the same fear mongering going on here. now what it is about it's about politicians keeping their promises

the liberal democrats had a policy their part the liberal democrats are part of the coalition government they had a policy of having an in out referendum they now whipping their m.p.'s to vote against that referendum david cameron gave a cast iron government see that he would hold a referendum on the lisbon treaty he's been a bit on that now whipping his m.p.'s to vote against their being a referendum of the election david cameron said there should be if we repacked creation of powers from brussels to our democratic institutions at westminster part of the vote today in the house of commons is to have a referendum to be patched powers david cameron is now whipping the m.p.'s to vote against what was conservative party policy quite recently that is bizarre the british public know that and are demanding their referendum and opinion polls show that british people most british people want their side you talk about an issue of the powers here obviously are concerned about the e.u.

interference in sovereign british affairs but in reality just how many e.u. laws were actually passed without british approval while e.u. law takes precedence over national law and there are literally thousands of e.u. laws passed each year the known as directives and regulations and they take precedence over national law and national law must apply them and they are binding on all member states that is undemocratic because the people passing these laws in brussels haven't been elected they're not accountable to the national government or the people of their member states rather that he's not white and it's time that powers and democracy was returned to national democratic institutions. chairman of the foreign policy of the british group thank you very much indeed for your time thank you. nigel farage meantime i mean in the u.k. independence party as well i believe that far from being a uniting force for the e.u.

is quickly becoming a catalyst for conflict between members. i want to europe where we cooperate together and work together and sign agreements together not a europe where we hand over the ability to make those decisions to a group of unelected bureaucrats and on the argument of peace which now the e.u. supporters of for them back on because all their other arguments frankly have failed look what kept the peace in europe that idea in forty five was not the e.u. they didn't come along for many many years what kept the peace was an example of states cooperate together and i would also argue the fact that we had the nuclear terror and history shows that if you take away from people their democracy their ability to govern themselves if you corral them together into new states without their consent far from it leaving the peace the question now in a deep recession and with unemployment at a seventeen year high is not can we afford to leave the it's can we afford to stay

whole eurozone project is that what it's done far from bringing people closer together it's pushed people further apart not just being rude to cameron we now have the greeks abusing the germans they now bernie you flags in athens openly with swastikas drawn on them and we have the germans slagging off the greeks as being lazy and useless and the irony of this project is far from us all becoming friends together in this new european house actually we're beginning to argue and bicker in the most extraordinary way you can all take twenty seven different countries with twenty one different languages all with their own different histories and different forms of government you cannot take them and force them into one unitary form of government without first getting their approval that approval has never been given and the european project actually is dying as we look at it oh it may take many years just as a soviet union dead but it's dying as we look at it because right across europe the

voters are saying we don't want this model we reject. you without say it's good to have your company today still to come in the program here. america is not destined to be one of several equally balanced global powers america must lead the world to report on why some forces in washington. the days of the cold war. libya's new leaders have ordered an investigation into the death of former leader moammar gadhafi following mounting international pressure. celebration after the announcement the country had been completely liberated but there are plenty of questions over the cost of what they now call freedom. points. but certainly people celebrating across the country as the official so-called liberation was announced on sunday celebrations very widely here in the capital tripoli and very few people

we go i'm asked them what they want now from the end to see whatever comes in right now the organization promising elections within eight months but analysts are saying that of course is not a for sure thing because the population is very heavily armed even up the celebrations although there were lots of games and things for the kids to do there there's a lot of weapons out on the streets at least as i've been seeing here in the capital and so their next step now is of course to disarm the population because there are fears that first of all there could be conflict between different tribes across the country and then within the end to see another officials these were the rebels that began this fight for freedom in benghazi earlier this year that there will be a power struggle in fact between them and most of those groups from very well armed and so that's one of the security one of the security challenges that the country

is now facing among other things much of the country has been destroyed there are tremendous challenges let's not forget that pre-war libya had one of the best living standards on the entire continent some people say that in fact it had the best in terms of life inspect expectancy child mortality rates there were great social benefits and secure in style health care programs and so once the dust settles and people start realizing for instance sixty percent of the country right now doesn't have running water if you're going to rush on some outlets at least here in the capital and i'm sure it's much much worse i know there are parts of the country there's no wanting water and so about starting to happen so they were planning to travel to one of the country's main water systems which was completely destroyed and still being disputed who destroyed it whether it was nato or the daffy more oil was but this is. one of the problems that people will be facing and then in terms of. political situation like i said elections promise in eight

months but that of course is not for sure and we just had this announcement from the head of the m.t.c. state that the weight easy the political life of the country because towards real law this is something that experts were afraid of that they were analyzing the country without gadhafi is going to take a much more hard line islamic direction. and he's in iraq that will do bear in mind you can keep track of and so in the libyan capital just by taking a look at her ongoing twitter feed in her latest post we can see right here now when she's tweeted pictures of residential areas in tripoli just shattered by nato bombs we're also keen to know your opinion on our top story here let's look at the votes on our side for the now the vast majority believe he's he's dead because he could have exposed dirty dealings in libya by western governments and corporations seventeen percent think nato just ran out of money for more airstrikes almost a tenth believe could be is to blame for the hatred that many libyans already have

for him in the first place they say he was killed because many and sisi members of his former if you wouldn't mind going to make sure you cast your vote. on the implications of colonel gadhafi is death and what lies ahead in libya i'm now joined live by berlin based middle east and north africa expert dr steinbeck thank you very much for coming on the program today i will online vote suggests the majority of our viewers think that could nothing was killed because he knew too much is this the case in your opinion what info might he have taken to the grave. no i don't think i i think that it is very difficult to understand who killed him and what was the reason we know definitely that he was alive when he was captured and but i think it was due to the it was the chaos which surrounded the scene that somebody had killed him and i do not think that this was all that by the

transitional government but nevertheless of course there may be groups of people who may be instrumental the mystery of. the personal political reasons to instigate chaos after the demise of could be the. current leadership has as many say caved into international pressure and now ordered an investigation into khadafi his death i mean how do you think is going to play out do you believe anyone at any time will be held accountable for his death. no i don't think so. certainly there will be sort of an investigation and it is his own tribe. who insists that that sort of investigation takes place but given the circumstances i just have outlined i'm very very doubtful that it will lead to any a concrete and substantial. result in order to put anybody on trial

now libya's interim leader has promised to build a democracy with a full scale implementation of sharia law all they all they even compatible. yes they are i mean what we understand you're normally in europe by. the way is in saudi arabia but that is not the case syria is a very flexible instrument i think the reason for which then lead. to the implementation of it was not in order to go back to the middle east maybe a but in order to find out some sort of identity of the future political system and societal system in libya there isn't any because as he has less to compete. and there is no national feeling piers no personalities there is no charismatic leader so it's. which my fear is the gap but once more

he has something to be interpreted to be analyzed and so i think that it might well . be to look at the shanty on one hand a very enlightened form and then make a law on one hand and democracy on the other if i may just jump in for a human rights watch has accused revolutionary forces in libya of acting above the law to be apparent discovery of a mass grave of more than fifty executed gadhafi loyalists do you think these people will be able to restore law and order there are still a lot of tribal factions involved. yes that's right but this is different from the issue we just have discussed the issue of. sharia sharia is something in the long range in order to be the new political system but the immediate threat as you rightly said is it's an imminent threat that there might be people

groups who take revenge who find it useful to continue the struggle and they have been many people around gadhafi up to the very last moment and it may be the group and these people who might have been interested to continue to go ahead citing fighting for power and creating all sorts of instability in middle east and north africa expert dr steinberg many things are speculation surrounds the health of egypt's former leader hosni mubarak there are reports he's in hospital fighting for his life after suffering a heart attack but his lawyer denies those claims out his middle east correspondent paula has details on this. official word from the hospital that is looking off to the former egyptian president hosni mubarak is that he is suffering from heart problems that there has been an increase in his blood pressure but nothing more serious than that now since august the international medical center has both looked off to mubarak and also kept in there as person a them official word is that

despite rumors he has not been moved into intensive care and i mention rumors because there are certainly a lot of women circulating in the privately owned egyptian newspaper here has quoted hospital stasi who say that his heart stopped beating for a few seconds this coincided with other remains we've heard that he was clinically did there was another newspaper the newspaper that went so far as to publish on its website that he had died they have since were tracked to those statements but they quote hospital staff who say that last week he contracted a virus that virus if it spreads to his brain will eat away at brain cells and is a very serious situation for the for major action president asking speaking to also see on the ground in cairo and they say that since late last night there's been a lot of movement in front of the hospital that overheard hospital stop talking amongst themselves that he has been moved into intensive care and that the situation is very very critical as you can well imagine it's very difficult to

determine right now what is the real situation in terms of mubarak's health we will also hearing reports that it was when he saw pictures on television in terms of what happened to his friend moammar gadhafi in libya who got such a shock from those pictures that that triggered this latest reaction be oh my rejection president has been plagued by poor health for many years in june this year his lawyer said that he had stomach cancer and that it was now spreading i spoke to that lawyer a short time ago he now says that mubarak's health is fine but certainly we know that he has high blood pressure there's been reports of hypertension there was a report of a heart attack earlier this year so the state of mubarak's health why. will continue to be a hot issue for some time to come. right there are you with r.t. law from moscow the internet whistleblower wiki leaks is suspending operations to focus on fundraising instead its founder julian assange speaking at a news conference in london said that

a financial blockade imposed by american financial institutions has cut off most of the website's funding bennett was at the conference. the main announcement is that wiki leaks will be suspending its publication and will instead will be aggressively fundraising so it can get back online as it were was this is obviously a significant announcement i can't say it's not unexpected because of this financial blockade sons revealed in that press conference that ninety five percent of their fund raising has dried up since that blockade came into force early december because stock funds getting through stop that stop donations and they've been running on cash reserves is just ran out of time really until that ran out and the companies involved are people like visa master card pay pal bank of america and that all financial blockade all happened about a week or so after what's being referred to as cable gateway wiki leaks released all those. secret cables from u.s.

embassies in the diplomatic service julian he's calling this as a u.s. base concerted political attack and it's not from the government though they have actually deemed this to be without any lawful grounds as has the u.n. high commissioner for human rights he says that he's condemned the blockade instead says it's being carried out by politicized u.s. financial companies that they have actually pursued legal action they've opened. action in a number of countries where they have publication deals iceland denmark the u.k. the e.u. us australia as well they've also lodged a complaint with the european commission a decision on that is due in mid november as to whether visa has broken any rules here but until that there's really nothing they can do because they've simply run out of money. from london where the julian assange himself was also what legal pressure is waiting for a british court to decide whether he should be extradited to sweden to face sex crime charges if you support it some fear that of science will then face extradition to the u.s.

to stand trial over his website's activities we're keeping a close watch on the whole story for you and you can catch up with it and find out the latest on our web site of course our two you've gone cold. now twenty one minutes past the hour here in moscow russian american ties have improved greatly since barack obama took power and released washington's official rhetoric but there are also political groups in the united states that are pushing for aggressive moves and not only towards russia. you can now find out what's stirring the hawk's nest. the cold war is long over but not in the minds of some influential american lobbies and politicians the salon web magazine has looked into the expense records of one lobby group in washington and revealed

a few years it has courted journalists to adopt distinct and her russian standpoint by arranging interviews with them and paying for their trips and dinners one of those reportedly wooed by the lobby called orient strategist is a journalist named allie lake from the washington times he wrote a series of pieces undermining the reset between russia and the u.s. one of his articles focus on allegations that washington masterminded last year's explosion near the u.s. embassy in georgia accusations he took from georgian investigators of course as it turns out the lobby that approached mr lake is officially contracted by the georgian government we try to get in touch with mr lake he never responded but analysts say it's not so much the georgians agenda that a lobby like orian strategies is pushing forward but rather that of washington hawks the head of orient was in each to former defense secretary ronald rumsfeld he actively rooted for the war in iraq then he was an h. to senator john mccain well known for his hawkish foreign policy views senator

mccain never concealed his desire to see russian leaders overthrow and not just russia dictators all over the world including bashar assad maybe even mr putin. and maybe some chinese maybe all of maybe a little bit more nervous because clearly the people of libya rose up we assisted them this group of people. has a large number of institutions that they work through they have a large number of think tanks they have law firms they have magazines they have newspapers to push this idea of the supremacy of the united states washington has never been short of who are mongers the most visible one of these days is the republican presidential candidate mitt romney he already has. to deliver tough words to the likes of the ukraine and pakistan and china he also called for boosting america's military spending ending the reset with russia and unfolding the robust missile defense program in europe america is not destined to be one of

several equally balanced global powers america must lead the world from these pitching himself as the candidate of the military industrial complex hoping that they by. america's best military industry will be first to benefit from the strong rhetoric of washington's warhawks some of the biggest corporations and transnational corporations that make weapons that benefit from an ideology that states that the united states must exercise military supremacy and have an endless arms race and those big companies are tied to the biggest banks on wall street there is a military industrial complex and it is facilitated by having a pretext for endless war so when president obama said will push the reset button with russia this whole lobby and growing industry say well no that's bad because any relaxation of tensions means less of an excuse to produce more and more weapons the u.s. is the world's number one weapons producer and exporter and countries like georgia

are looking to become the next market for american weapons we are quite familiar with u.s. politicians influence groups in washington that call for the end of the reset with russia but it's not just one show where tensions are being ramped up the same people are doing a lot of fear mongering against countries like china iran and the list this pretty long actually while experts agree the only side that could possibly benefit from a potential confrontation is america's military machine definitely not the people in those countries involved i'm going to check our reporting from washington our team. of the business here to retreat joins us now. thanks rory moody's has cut its forecast for russia's banking system from stable to negative. has found out what's putting the country's lead us on the pressure. this is pretty much a domino effect on water is going on the globally he says the groom economic

outlook and soaring nationally and the high volatility of financial markets will weaken the operating environment in russia and they have and that's a fact and that's the banking sector and what they mean by that is every adoption in liquidity in the system as well as growth rates of lending and the g.d.p. the estimate for two thousand and twelve is now two point eight percent which is a drop of one percent from previous forecasts and more and nothing a big factor is of course russia's economic growth depending amazingly on oil prices and the say that due to increasing risks to global energy demand there is now more pressure than ever and while moody's also says a negative effect will be felt on asset quality and the credit growth but some analysts here believe that europe will solve its problems soon which will spur growth back onto world markets and they also point out that the russian the banking

sector is a quite detached from european debt issues and this in a quite good position financially they also say that russian banks have ample opportunity to attract liquidity and maintain financial stability with internal and external resources well and the other factor that can affect all these opinions is a wednesday's meeting any euro point leaders will be looking for a plan to solve that crisis and boost growth so it's safe to say that this is a not the last time the crystal ball gazing will be over i. think a lot of what's happening on the markets this our oil prices are heading up off the european views flight progress and all the single currency that prices top the german opposition lawmakers indeed say e.u. bailout fund will be leveraged up to one point four trillion dollars or one trillion euros in london the footsie is up a percent vacs up one. four percent of the gas reading the gains of almost seven

percent u.s. markets also opened on the news coming from europe and on positive accounts of philip profits. this hour and this is the closing picture in russia where the markets continued their rally sending up three and a half percent of the was was moving the oil majors with some of the biggest gain is gaining four percent of the close no snicko up one percent on record saying high and nickel production and a seventh continent was adding almost twelve percent of the close off to releasing an impressive boost in the first half net profits that's all we have time for in this edition of the business news coming up next i'll see the headlines.

mission in three cretaceous three trends for judges three arrangement three. three stooges free. the old free broadcast morning video for your media project a free media john to our teeth on tom. seven thirty pm here in the russian count without seeing the headlines now libya's new. investigation into death and promise to build

a democracy with an islamic on the ruins of a once prosperous nation. the health of egypt's former leader hosni mubarak in mystery. has left him in a critical condition but for the meantime. plug wiki leaks. cornered by american financial institutions refusing to accept donations via credit cards found to fight the blockade. of the e.u. summit in brussels. tension over the debt crisis. and the british government meantime faces a roof bolts. who want to. build on what is here in half an hour's time but for now though it's time for a tempest of.