the british government faces a revolt by anti european m.p.'s you want out of the trouble the you as a summit in brussels degenerate into petty spats over the unions debt crisis. libya's new rulers order an investigation into colonel gadhafi is death and promise to introduce islamic law and build a democracy on the ruins of a once prosperous nation. a bleak club that we can leak suspends its whistle blowing call of american financial institutions refusing to accept donations for credit cards it's for us to fight the financial blockade. international news and come and live from moscow this is r.t. with twenty four hours a day the british parliament is preparing to vote on whether to hold a national referendum on its continued membership of the european union the debate

was forced out of more than one hundred thousand people signed a petition demanding a say a vote won't be binding but prime minister david cameron is a staunch supporter of the e.u. and faces a rebellion in his own party some sixty conservative m.p.'s are defying government orders and will support the idea come in as early as the dissenting tories to reconsider saying this is a delicate time for the e.u. and not for a large the n.e.p. from the u.k. independence party believes that far from being a uniting force the e.u. is quickly becoming a catalyst for conflict between nations. i want to europe where we cooperate together and work together and sign a grievance together not a europe where we hand over the ability to make those decisions so a group of other elected bureaucrats and only are given the peace which now the e.u. supporters of fall back on because all their other arguments frankly have failed look what kept the peace in europe often argue forty five was not with you but didn't come along for many many what kept the peace was made so an example of

a state cooperate with the other and i would also argue the fact that we had a nuclear deterrent and history shows you that if you take away from people their democracy their ability to govern themselves if you corral them together into new states without their consent half of it leading to peace the question now are in a deep recession and without employment the seventeen year is not can we afford to leave the it's can we afford to stay the whole eurozone project is that what it's done far from bringing people closer together it's pushed people further apart not just for sarkozy being rude to cameron we now have the greeks abusing the germans they now bernie you flags in athens openly with swastikas drawn on them and we have the germans slagging off the greeks as being lazy and useless and the irony of this project is far from us all becoming friends together in his new european house actually we're beginning to argue and pick up in the most extraordinary way you can

all take twenty seven different countries with twenty one different languages all with their own different histories and different forms of government you cannot take them and force them into one unitary form of government without first getting their approval that approval has never been given and the european project actually is dying as we look at it and we may take many years just as the soviet union did but it's dying as we look at it because right across europe the voters are sad. we don't want this model we rejected. all from our perspective on the vote and its outcome let's now talk to john gone he's a member of the vote and you came out of him you dot co dot u.k. organization is live in london john we've talked about britain's membership of the e.u. before it's very clear that you want britain to be out of the european union now of course over something like six hundred fifty m.p.'s in parliament seventy so far they want to referendum it seems that the argument you're making that very few are

actually listening to it. well that's not strictly true is it bill i mean the fact is one hundred thousand people signed a petition that was david cameron's idea in fact there's been almost half a million people have signed petitions it was cameron's idea if enough people signed a petition that debate in parliament that's what's happening today although what has happened is all three political leaders of the three main political parties have effectively colluded and i now have now issued a three line party whip they're telling their m.p.'s which way they have to vote so tonight we've got just still sting at the back on democracy in the home the mother of all parliaments where these m.p.'s are not voting with their conscience or with their constituents opinions they're voting away their leaders tell them to because if they don't they'll get the sack well i don't know about you but that isn't democracy and british democracy democracy is shamed by this this evening this may

be a symbolic. this may be a symbolic vote but it's meaningless and it's not binding but put the message is giving is it not a message that britain is simply not supporting its european neighbors well at a time like this britain needs the e.u. and the e.u. needs britain journeys to economic circumstances. disagree i think we need trade with european countries just like norway do just like switzerland i don't actually think we need to be part of a political super state. for our dear said form you cared no one signed up on fifty eight anybody in the age of fifty four has not a vote on this and certainly my dad when he voted for a common market he didn't vote for the united states of europe that's what british people are upset about let me tell you what's happening bill there's a disconnect between the political elites in our great country and the people we had a survey for u.k. out of e.u. only three days ago done by you gov and three quarters of people surveyed said they

want out all they want over a friend of the political elites in westminster might try and stop those but eventually we will get our referendum and we will get out of the let me tell you it's not our problem to sort out the problems in greece and tell me why we should work to the age of seventy two or seventy three to pay for staff lost their lives in downtown athens to retire at fifty we shouldn't we're not going to it's the end this you're a state is collapsing as we speak trying to talk about the political the making the decision for the people put e.u. membership is a very complex issue there are many benefits on there are many negatives through the british people really understand what the issues are all about. that no you're right which is why we should have a referendum because if we had a referendum bill it wouldn't be next week would it it would be about a year or so so to be plenty of time to discuss it on shows like this on the b.b.c. on scar and i t n on c.n.n.

on russia today no problem at all let's have the big grown up good bye let's hear both sides of the argument and then let the british will do you know lie to kingdom people decide their fate that's called democracy william hague used to be you're a skeptic i was in the house of commons today when that man betrayed his own beliefs its own principles and indeed betrayed the british public why are they so scared of i'll tell you bill they're scared that we're right and that we would win in a referendum well that's not democracy my friend let me just ask you remark now within that referendum there is of course the point about negotiation obviously leaving how you're staying in now what about renegotiation when when the e.u. is clearly in effect on its knees when you look at what's going on here is and this is the time to britain to really strengthen its membership by renegotiating the terms and conditions yeah that's the spin david cameron have you you cannot renegotiate with the you the only way to renegotiate is to get out and then

negotiate from our position of strength to say we are leaving once we do that then we can negotiate but the idea of a negotiated settlement with the no way this was so alive because of what happened with the lisbon treaty we're not allowed to renegotiate we're already in the twenty seven countries i accept any renegotiation no the british people want to straight in or out referendum on the question of should we stay or should we go not what's happening in parliament today with this is a third option of renegotiation and always say to the political elites of all parties want to just give us the vote let's have a debate for a year or so let's have the referendum if i lose my side lose out accept it because the. that's called democracy or what's happening at the moment is almost a shift in our great country just politically they know that they benefit from the we're not benefited we're losing jobs really losing our livelihoods and people have had enough of it and they want their right to speak thousands will to join

justifiably all of which you know how just finally a people want their right to speak what it was thirty five years ago when the public was consulted about e.u. membership you'd have to wait another thirty five years because it doesn't because it's going to be imminent does it. not going to be tomorrow you're right bill but it will happen we've got mashed three national papers now calling for a referendum every paper today is condemned david cameron for using a three line whip so say he's abused democracy today he'll win tonight he'll win this battle he's going to lose the war people are not happy in this country because even if they don't agree with me and they want to get out people can't see a reason why we should have a referendum and david cameron is wrong to instill a three line whip always good to talk to john thanks so much for your time i know it's a busy day. great to have your member of the u.k. out of the year dot co dot u.k. organization is a bit of a mouthful but i have to say thanks for joining us john gaunt plenty of. well

coming up a little later in the program here on r t six reports the health of egypt's former leader hosni mubarak is shrouded in mystery sources suggest a heart attack has left him in a critical condition but his lawyer denies those claims. but first libya's new leaders of one ordered an investigation into the death of former leader moammar gadhafi following mounting international pressure and says libyans erupted in celebration after the announcement their country had been completely liberated but there are plenty of questions over the cost of what they now call for an r.t.s. and the tsunami as this report. certainly people celebrating across the country as the official so-called liberation was announced on sunday celebrations very quietly here in the capital tripoli and very few people we go i'm asked them what they want now from the end to see whatever comes in right now with the organization promising the actions within eighteen months but analysts are saying that of course is not

just for sure thing because the population is very heavily armed even at these celebrations although there were lots of games and things for the kids to do there there's a lot of weapons out on the streets at least as i've been seeing here in the capital and so their next step now is of course to disarm the population because there are fears that first of all there could be conflict between different tribes across the country and then within the end to see another officials these were the rebels again this fight for freedom in benghazi earlier this year that there will be a power struggle in fact between them and most of those groups from very well armed so that's one of the security one of the security challenges that the country is now facing among other things much of the country has been destroyed there are tremendous challenges let's not forget that pre war in libya had one of the best living standards on the entire continent some people say that in fact it had the

best in terms of license for beggs specht and see child mortality rates there were great social benefits you see your style house care program and so once the dust settles and people start realizing for instance sixty percent of the country right now telson have running water we're going to brush off the conflicts at least here in the capital i'm sure it's much much worse in other parts of the country there's no binding water and so about starting to happen they were planning to travel to one of the country's main our water systems which was completely destroyed and still being disputed who destroyed it whether it was nato work exactly what it was but this is. one of the problems that people will be facing and then in terms of actual political situation here and like i said elections promise is eight months but that of course is not for sure and we just had this announcement from the head of the entities think that the weight easy the political life of the country because torture should be a lot this is something that experts were afraid of that they were advising the

country without a doubt he is going to take a much more hard line islamic direction. and he said now i remember you can keep track of and he said in the libyan capital just by taking a look at a twitter feed and some of her latest post we can see there on screen she's treated pictures of residential areas in tripoli shattered by and later and also key to know your opinion on the top story today on our web site. reason behind. death all the vast majority believe that it's because he could have exposed dirty dealings in libya by western governments and corporations. and twelve percent think that nato just ran out of money for more aerial strikes the same number believe it duffy is to blame for the hatred many libyans had for him and others say he was killed because many anti see members were his former subordinates you can launch off people home express your point. human rights watch has accused revolutionary forces in libya of considering themselves above the law and

when i say shin says it has discovered the bodies of more than fifty gadhafi loyalists and searched thought to be revenge killings by m.t.c. fighters political call sharon has told me earlier that the interim government is not the best alternative to the gadhafi regime. people have way too much faith in the n t c which is quite obviously not in control of this situation on the ground in libya at the moment and in fact you can see the tension between the empty sea command and some of the more. groups on the ground and in fact if you see some of the fighters on the ground they have various types of islamist fighters along kind of history or from afghanistan on war it's saw this illusion and i've been to see has full control on the ground is not actually correct and i would say that events that we are seeing them could be personal could be their normal run or wars but maybe another party in libya could have presented their evolution of the earth

liberation that's their legitimacy creations for change better than down in d.c. that still has a lot of former gadhafi associates and cronies within it so that's really the nub of the problem. speculation surrounds the health of egypt's former leader hosni mubarak the reports that he's in hospital fighting for life after suffering a heart attack but his lawyer denies those claims on his middle east correspond paula simply has that he sounds. the official word from the hospital that is looking after the former egyptian president hosni mubarak is that he is suffering from heart problems that there has been an increase in his blood pressure but nothing more serious than that now since august the international medical center has both looked awesome about it and also kept in various prisoner them official word is that despite rumors he has not been moved into intensive care and i mention rumors because there are certainly a lot of rumors circulating in the privately owned egyptian newspaper al to here

has quoted hospital staff who say that his heart stopped beating for a few seconds this coincide with i would be heard that he was clinically did ask you speaking to also see on the ground in cairo and they say that since late last night there is a lot of movement in front of the hospital overheard hospital staff talking amongst themselves that he has been moved into intensive care and that the situation or not is very very critical as you can well imagine it's very difficult to determine right now what is the real situation in terms of mubarak's health we were also hearing reports that it was raining he saw pictures on television in terms of what happened to his friend romo gadhafi in libya who got such a shock on those pictures that that triggered this latest reaction the former egyptian president has been plagued by poor health for many years in june this year his lawyer said that he had stomach cancer and that it was now spreading i spoke to by the way a short time ago he now says that mubarak's health is fine but certainly we know that he has high blood pressure but it's been reports of hypertension there was

a report of a heart attack earlier this year so the state of mubarak's health will continue to be a hot issue for some time to come. well still to come in the program this year an artist spreading the word no matter how much over a hundred occupy wall street part of the rest of the chicago containing the string of tensions is the movement spreads across continents and. the internet whistleblower wiki leaks is suspending operations to focus on raising money instead its founder julian assange said a financial blockade imposed by american financial institutions has cut off most of the websites funding bodies other bennett was at this news conference sanj gave in london in order to ensure you choose the bible which was. spend all publishing operations in order to direct all. resources into widening. and raising because of this financial blockade

sundra field in that press conference that ninety five percent of their fund raising has dried up since that look it came into force a bit early december because it stopped funds getting through stopped but stopped donations and they've been running on cash reserves and just ran out of time really until that ran out in the companies involved so people like visa and mastercard paper how bank of america and all that financial got it all happened about a week or so after what's being referred to as cable gate when wiki leaks released all those. secret cables from u.s. embassies and the magic service julian signs that he's calling this as a u.s. base concerted political attack and it's not from the government though they have actually deemed this to be without any lawful grounds as has the u.n. high commissioner for human rights he says he's condemned the blockade instead as science says it's being carried out by politicized u.s.

financial companies how they have actually received legal action they've opened. action in a number of countries where they have publication deals iceland denmark the u.k. the e.u. us australia as well they've also lodged a complaint with the european commission a decision on that is due in mid november as to whether visa has broken any rules here but until that there's really nothing they can do because they've simply run out of money. losing wiki leaks to an unlawful financial blockade will be a blow to freedom of speech but others will carry on the cause well that's the view of the long he's the president of the national union of journalists in britain i spoke to him a little earlier. it's odd to be in a very murky affair because there were of the very beginning of the situation questions about. tension members of the u.s. government had suggested or asked companies like amazon which was the first and wiki leaks because they were hosting studies and what they may have been asked by individuals within the u.s. government obviously this is been these acts of been taken outside of any legal

process or live side of any international political agreements yet they seem to have the ability to shut down a website that some governments find troubling. it's very unclear exactly what the motivations what the power behind them and it is it's it's deeply unsettling it would be a loss to the media and a loss to freedom of speech if it disappeared but i don't think this will be the end of it we did see when the first attempts were made to shut down the mirror sites appeared all over the world because the information simply wants to come out so i'd be hopeful that actually if unfortunately wiki leaks was forced to close down that we would see other sides seeking to do the same kind of thing and getting around the restrictions of wiki leaks based. around one hundred thirty activists of the occupy chicago movement have been arrested for camping out in the city park after closing time holding a protest inspired by the occupy wall street demonstrations against corporate greed and the influence of the rich in government the movement has existed for over

a month now and spread across five continents back in new york dozens of people were arrested in a police crackdown on activists just days ago for more on the rough tactics police are using against protesters we're joined by nate barkley he's in buffalo new york and he's from the national confederation to end unjust incarcerations and free political prisoners well you say that you were a victim of exessive police force in an earlier protest tell us briefly what happened. it was a protest to end all wars of u.s. aggression at home and abroad and we were at the m. and t. bank we went from there to city hall to the federal building and to the energy bank of your stand that the wars are put on by a conglomerate of different forces and the funds the wars. and they also got six hundred million dollars in bell funds and have none of that back and while we were there i was arrested and charged with eleven counts of inciting

a riot all kinds of things and i was amazed club and tackle well many concerned of course the police brutality has indeed become a commonplace response to public protest and that's why the sounds of things just what you were doing protesting and judging by the experience you had you would agree that this is becoming more commonplace. i agree that it happens it's common place. just became companies that has been throughout history whether be the union uprisings whether it was the civil rights activists whether was anti-nuclear or the world trade organization protesters it's always been used but now that there's more cameras around and there's more of sensibility you can put something global before it wasn't able to get out there have been many economic protests in countries before now why do you think this occupy wall street movement has become so

widespread and unified. i think a lot of it is based on it doesn't have formal leaders and it doesn't have any formal objective per se so it's really easy for people to sign on to something like their what a month since i began the occupy movement is spread out over five continents as i said at the start of this being all over the news of course got a lot of media coverage but what are the dangers of the media losing interest in all of this. or they lose their support and then there's become vulnerable to police repression and if they want to become powerful they're going to have to actually change from the ninety nine to the one percent the actual power dynamic there you have to do more than just occupy well we're going to do more than just occupy parks in public places you know in order to avoid protest fatigue as it were because as i say we've seen many protests of course throughout europe and now we're seeing this one of the occupy wall street movement occurring for many many cities throughout the world you've got to do something different in some ways have you not

to capture the media and the public's imagination. yeah i think things branching out into serving in addressing the public's needs opposed and continuing what they do but also to address the public's needs and provide the services that the system is capable of doing and to broaden the movement they have to continue to become up with creative ways to get the to the media but it's also to start providing where the government lacks and is on able to provide just briefly a talking about addressing the public's needs so many issues have been addressed within these protests but will it really achieve anything. and i have a rule is to beginning it's a staging point to get people involved in active life you will have ideas and they don't have places to go with that but if they want to really continue and go to places you know places that have and places that have brought about change in the

in the past and had to go upon different tactics and become much more organized and strategic about what they do at this point it's like in its infancy steps and this is a lot of people really angry or frustrated but with a lot of past experience or less experience that way it doesn't lead to things coming structurally change a lot of business reform movement at this point and if you really want to begin to challenge the system on the major issues and fundamental issues that we're talking about ninety nine to one percent that didn't happen overnight it's been a structural inequality that's happened throughout the entire history of known civilization from one of the inception of when they came to america and stole the native land and slavery and at this point it's this is a sane continuation of this system and to change that we need a revolution and structural change and fundamental change opposed to just reform ok late buckley thanks very much indeed live from the u.s.

thanks for your thoughts that. now to some other international headlines for you this hour an artery in our world update tanks and artillery have allegedly been firing of buildings and vehicles in syria central province of holmes illogicality footage released by an anti government group which alleges this is the result of the shelling it's claimed cars and houses were targeted randomly hundreds been a hotbed of dissent since the uprising against president assad's regime began in march. over two hundred seventy people have been killed and hundreds more are feared dead after a seven point two magnitude earthquake hit eastern turkey the highest number of casualties are reported in the cities and van where dozens of buildings collapsed on top of residents trapping them this is the most powerful earthquake in over a decade for turkey which lies in one of the world's most active seismic zones. turkish tanks and armored vehicles have moved into northern iraq and heading to a kurdish militant can situated near the city of zarko according to news agency

reuters this was a string of cross border operations launched after kurdistan workers party fighters killed twenty four turkish soldiers last week on saturday turkish troops killed around fifty kurdish rebels in a valley near the iraqi border using artillery and air strikes. brings up to date for the moment this is r.t. live here in moscow but with some of our main news stories for you in about two minutes from now stay with us live here in moscow.

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