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face the argument that they're being overly dramatic. all right it's time for you say i read it or take time to respond to my brilliant and engaging viewer comments from facebook twitter and you tube because when you got something to say i listen now first i want to find a viewer who watched our interview with anika sparing of the young turks where we spoke about the young turks campaign for a constitutional amendment against the citizens united ruling artist welker said on facebook right on with the constitutional amendment activism ana the status quo of a corporation as a person is a fallacy of best if not an outstanding invitation for criminal activity minus the personal accountability and you know what i think ernest is absolutely correct of
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the status quo is simply not working citizens united ruling has allowed money to further corrupt our already fragile political system and drown out the voices of everyday people even more and the occupy movement is evidence of that the bottom line here is that americans just don't see the government representing their needs above those of the fact cats it's as simple as that so in september just fifteen percent of americans said that they trusted the government to do the right thing always or most of the time and the approval for congress just tied an all time low at twelve percent so this point a constitutional amendment to get the corporate influence and money out of politics is just one step in the right direction and next don't respond to a viewer who watched our report on skyrocketing student loan debt in the united states and twenty three said on you tube the one trillion used to fight two pointless wars to make our lives safer could actually have went toward something that could have made america greater and more competitive free higher education now let me start by saying that unfortunately one trillion dollars for both wars is by all accounts
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a very conservative estimate doesn't account for many the long term costs that are going to be incurred by these two wars and according to brown university's watson institute for international studies the real cost of the wars comes in somewhere between three point seven trillion and could reach as high at four point four trillion. now of course the administration sticks to the one trillion figures are both wars but that conveniently leaves out many the health care costs that are going to be needed to provide health care to wounded veterans and projected increases in military spending that are going to come after ten years of constant war so let's just take a moment to compare that to what the government spends on student loans last year the government spent eleven point four billion on pell grants for college students the defense budget during that same year was a bare minimum of six hundred eighty billion so when you look at those numbers i think it's pretty clear exactly where the priorities in this country lie now finally i want to respond to viewer brian kenny who tweeted to us if anybody wants a reliable news that's actually entertaining at the alone a show is awesome so brian thank you so much for watching we do our best to bring you the latest news and analysis that we try to make it fun to watch too that's if
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my rants today and i have more for you later in the week as usual. now as the so-called super committee continues to fight over areas of the federal budget federal spending cuts and not get anywhere if you are of course would leave them to look closely at the extra six hundred billion dollars that could potentially be cut from the bloated military budget just last week president obama announced the troops are coming home from iraq by december thirty first which are all deadline as we discussed last week the war in iraq is far from over because u.s. contractors are still going to have quite a major presence in the country which is why its next report is so disturbing and internal pentagon reports prepared for senate senator bernie sanders shows that the d.o.d.'s been hit by one point one trillion dollars in fraud from defense companies over the last ten years the over the course of a decade the pentagon paid five hundred seventy three billion dollars to over three hundred contractors involved in civil fraud cases two hundred fifty five billion dollars went to fifty four contractors convicted of seriously criminal fraud cases
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and senators call this a very shocking report saying of the ugly truth is that virtually all of the major defense contractors in this country for years have been gauged in systemic fraudulent behavior while receiving hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money so you want to. the worst offenders our own are probably the ones that you know best lockheed martin paid ten point five million dollars in two thousand and eight after the company was found submitting false invoices on a multi-billion dollar contract but just a year later lockheed martin was awarded thirty billion in brand new contracts worth of grumman shelled out sixty two million dollars in two thousand and five after they were caught submitting false contract proposals and like lockheed martin those guys got sixteen percent more in contracts just a year later so in both cases those are companies who were caught falsifying information finding ways to make more money for themselves and despite getting caught the gov rewards them with even more business so senator sanders is right that report is shocking it goes to show how incredibly dependent the pentagon is on those private contractors so when the super committee reviews where cuts should
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take place in our country's federal budget maybe that reporters can encourage them a little bit to go ahead with the second round of cuts to the g.o.p. but even as u.s. troops are preparing to leave iraq the u.s. is going to continue working to train iraqi security forces and this program it's the responsibility of the state department out there by the way even though the troops are leaving there already moves underway just incorporate some into nato troops so that they can stay continue the training program but a new report from the u.s. special inspector general for iraq reconstruction describes that police development program as a bottomless pit of the millions of dollars that are a lot of that training only twelve percent is actually going towards training the iraqi police the rest simply goes towards the personnel the troops that are doing the training and having security for those troops in the special inspector general also found that even though the state department was aware that it was going to inherit this training program from the d.o.d. didn't really do all that much planning to make sure that the money would be spent efficiently now as if that wasn't disgraceful enough and it turns out that the
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iraqi government doesn't even want us to take part in that police development program one of the officials in iraq's ministry of interior even suggested that the u.s. should be spending that money on something for americans. out but seriously guys the problem here is that now you have. militarize state department which is taking over functions that they don't even know how to handle and let's not forget the state department is going to have a whopping five thousand contractors working for them and thousands more are going to stay in the country as well performing various other tasks so even after obama announced a drawdown we're going to continue pumping u.s. money in iraq through the state department which doesn't know how to handle it and contractors who are actively defrauding the u.s. government comforting isn't it. and recently in new york times report claimed after speaking to anonymous officials of course of the obama administration had intensely debated launching a cyber offensive in libya i would go as planned it would have been to break through the fire walls of the libyan government's computer networks to sever military communication links and prevent the early warning radars from gathering
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information and relaying it to missile batteries and nato warplanes and they just society go with cruise missiles and drone strikes but here are some of the interesting tidbits according to this report as to why the administration decided against the cyber offensive and one they fear that might set a precedent for other nations to carry out cyber offenses of their own number two they didn't think a bad enough time to really carry out the plan the whole thing and number three they wondered if that meant the under the war powers act the president would have to inform congress so let's break down some of those explanations see what all this says about the administration and its policies and the changing face of workfare are discussed this with means allan friedman fellow in governance studies and research director of the center for technology innovation at the brookings institution thanks so much for being here tonight so what do you make of this report here i mean it's interesting to hear that the obama administration or somebody people within the administration were having this fierce debate as to whether or not they could launch this cyber offensive but some of the problems here
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were that maybe they would have to tell congress or. we don't know exactly what was happening this is that you know we know that in the northwest reports we know that something was considered on one hand this is great to get a serious military operation renewed but he serious. and some consideration let's look at our options let's consider what's going on let's try to find the optimum delts we don't have the full measure of how those top position rated but we can derive a little bit first we know american government is who has a lot of attention to making sure they follow the laws of warfare going from international law down to one so what is this they are careful about making sure they do that i mean you could i would i would argue that very many of our actions including the drone strikes that you know that we launch in pakistan and yemen in somalia don't necessarily take international laws into account i think binocular with their own there is a very big legal gray area there which is why it's funny to me if they're worried that i mean thing is to understand how those laws are interpreted by the united states course the international law as a body we can get of this litter is
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a very new area and when it comes to guiding our military forces there is a very strong strict control of what is legal and what isn't legal but ultimately it comes down to every country makes that decision for themselves so those this really change what the war powers act of so i don't think it's as big a deal clearly there's not as large a difference or large a distinction in gauging the stardom and as other forms of information warfare jamming radar for example or connecticut typically you say that it's a last hostile that you know then cruise missiles or drone strikes because part of the legal argument coming from the obama administration as to why they call that this didn't count under the war powers act why they didn't have to ask congress because it didn't fall into this very vague definition of hostility that because it was a humanitarian intervention so you know by now logic you would say that a cyber attack price seems less hostile than all the bombs that i think i think you hit on a key different issue he said it's build upon it's hard to figure out exactly where
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the lines drawn in that case i would say listen this is an operation we're going through that already has a certain risks there's already some uncertainty domestically but we're getting to let's keep it as safe as possible let's do things that we know are going to happen turns out you grab them by. he was good technology in your systems work as properly and you follow the instructions well you know it's going to happen some things that it will or we don't know that full detail yet in the cyber domain certainly not in an active operational setting especially when you try to do something complex you may have the best intentions going to have very very good people involved but it's very hard to know exactly what's going to happen when you click a button when you run a program and when you attack a certain system how much do you think that a lot of this is already going on because you know one of the things that here is that the united states doesn't want to cross that threshold they don't want to be the first ones great part of this we don't want to set a precedent but if you talk about that stuxnet virus right or if you think about certain attacks that we don't know if they are waged by state actors or not coming
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from china going to cyber war is actually happening i don't like the term cyber war it's very big there is warfare. and that we knew what it was until around one thousand nine hundred seventy now we have not are in conflict which has its own distinctions and lawyers are willing to deal with that and policymakers are studying that in the cyber domain in there are a couple of dynamics first. very conceivable that state state conflict is going to involve some cyber component it just has the strange things not include your arsenal we've seen in israeli attack on the syrian nuclear reactor the disabled syrian air defenses we have heard multiple sources report now what's interesting about that is that actually less lead to less conflict you can imagine you have an attack against a specific target resume an attack against the specific targets and the military installations that you have to hit in order to do that if you can disable them be a cyber means it's a much simpler operation so that leads to the conflicts and deescalation we also
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have we can debate who did it or who was responsible but in a tax against the country of georgia there was a strong cyber component against the government websites certainly that was timed to maximize the confusion inside georgia we can talk. well those states that are similarly going to type in stocks know the stocks that attack against the iranian nuclear program probably involved state actor with strong incentive to dissuade iran from developing a nuclear weapon to retard that program and certainly there's a list of suspects that. that goal in mind the challenge here is saying what are we going to do and how we're going to fund it i feel in the libyan operation the simplest explanation is why bring that into the picture why make it the story that we're doing within the cyber domain especially when there's an operator option for things to go wrong so for example. in real time you actually have to coordinate your air strikes with taking down the air control system if you don't have it learning up properly then your operations for not it's just kind of an alibi but
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you think that's something that we're going to see more and more of in the future i mean you know a lot of and you can say that this is something that will probably. be a it may make the situation less violent as you just said but at the same time we have military officials that now say that cyber war a cyber attacks are an act of war that could you know elicit a response in terms of using military military equipment it's true but i think the important thing is not to just look at the internet as something new and special it's part of our lives we've been dealing with it for years and now let's try to understand what is the broader picture we have a spectrum of the conflict that ranges from espionage to kinetic attacks blowing things up and there could be a cyber component in any of those just as there could be an air component there are many ways to look at a problem i think the important thing is as we move forward to understand where the cyber option is available make sure that from a defense of perspective states of the class and defend themselves and so at libya you think of a cyber option was not should have been an option right that we did they did the
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right thing i guess i think it makes sure that if you were to leave that there i have to wrap it up of course now thanks so much for joining us and i thank you. so to come several g.o.p. presidential candidates are desperately fighting ways to bash president obama for sticking to the original iraq troop withdrawal deadline for him to even take the cake it's nice kill time segment and happy hour one of the g.o.p. contenders the further and senator john mccain can't get enough when it comes to the u.s. sending troops abroad to find out which country he wants to invade next. to the police the wreckage. what a contest nobody seems to know. but never ever sprayed defaced by part of the argument that they're being overly dramatic.
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republican candidates has rushed to criticize president obama's announcement that the united states will be pulling out all troops in iraq at the end of two thousand and eleven but it keeps to me the republican party is having a little trouble here coming up with a coherent response to the president's announcer because they're really just all over the place yesterday rick santorum appeared on c.b.s.'s face the nation where he was asked about the very harsh republican response on iraq pull out and then we'll take a listen to what he said in many respects we've lost control and lost the war in iraq so according to rick santorum we've simply lost the war in iraq which was just a little confusing to me because i thought we already got out being taken care of back in two thousand and three officers and sailors of the u.s.s. abraham lincoln. my fellow americans. major combat operations in iraq ended in the battle of iraq the united states and around. half prevailed.
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yeah in fact i actually got the impression from watching last week's republican presidential debate of the iraq war was going so swimmingly but the iraqi people actually allowed us money for our efforts cutting back on foreign aid is one thing being reimbursed by mediations that we have liberated is another we should look to iraq and libya to reimburse us for part of what we have done to liberate these. all right i get it the whole role of the republican party is to disagree with obama no matter what he says and does but i think that maybe they should spend mynors you trying to get on the fame page here i mean are we winning the war are we losing the war i'm just so confused and of course it's easy for rick santorum to come out now and say that we lost the war that he's champion for so many years because he simply gets the blame it on obama we have a president who was not able to set conditions in there actually have the kind of influence over the iraqi government now three years the person has had to to work with the iraqi government to try to mold and shape that relationship it to be in
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a position where really the iranians now have more sway over the iraqi government than the united states just shows the weakness of our of our diplomatic effort the weakness of this president oh ok i get it so now we lost the war because iran is calling the shots and of course because president obama sucks i don't know and the billions of not trillion and dollars that have been spent on a war that was entered into on a false premise no big deal thousands of u.s. and iraqi lives have been lost over a decade of war totally irrelevant rick santorum wants to stay forever just because obama said that we'd be leaving so it's not still time award goes to rick santorum and really the whole republican field for being totally incoherent when it comes to the war in iraq.
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our guys it's time for happy hour and joining me tis evening as our team producer jenny churchill and julian fancher as research fellow at the cato institute thanks for joining me guys joy and welcome to happy hour it's good to be here never been on the force is exciting although it was with the if this is involved and then you're interested ok i just spent a little bit of time talking about some of the republican candidates and how and how clueless they are but obviously the one that really takes the cake here is rick perry he just keeps putting his foot in his mouth and here's the newest example. texas governor rick perry rocky issue over the president's birth certificate back into the headlines in an interview with parade magazine perry had this exchange governor do you believe that president barack obama was born in the united states very i have no reason to think otherwise than after being pressed governor perry says i don't have a definitive answer because he's never seen my birth certificate reporter responded but you've seen his perry says i don't know why i have marc lamont hill associate i don't know have i actually been. to the best of us sometimes really though like i
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thought berger isn't what was there i thought we've moved on because at this point you already have you have a new election that's coming up right so you have new contenders you need to talk about along being a border a fourth of the economy is such crap is the perfect time to bring it up you know you always have to harp on the things that win with your voters that my favorite part is that he goes on to say that he had dinner with donald trump recently and that's kind of what has some question ron who apparently according to some sources is like the new ringmaster in the with the republican field he's keeping them further as i'm alive because he met with michele bachmann like three times recently too right because this is a good side of desperation right now that you know that perry is sort of. seems to be falling out of that frontrunner talk to your hitting romney status that you know he's reaching for that you're. not bars or in a way he didn't think was necessary before and this is the classic movies where you
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sort of lead to something and then try to avoid accountability for having you know thrown out that bit of red meat by saying well but to distract the issue. back in the zero eight campaign one of hillary's advisors was on hardball saying you know you think these issues are distractions there are all these things we don't want to talk about we have no intention of making an issue of iraq obama's childhood cocaine use. nobody has raised the issue as you know i think you're giving rick perry a little bit too much credit i don't know if he actually is getting desperate in trying to reach people or if he just really just sometimes just that stupid step to let we were running out of time so let's keep going because we have we're probably going to make i have which you know i don't know sometimes that happens here on this show. john mccain wants to wage war all over the world and guess which country has that on it now. i think it should really cannot be allowed to continue to slaughter its own citizens indefinitely now they are beleaguered foreign ministers are going to damascus and make demands for which your side will not agree to so this is a step by step process but i would not completely rule out actions to prevent over
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time for sure assad from continuing to slaughter his own people. so now they care because obviously this has been going on for months and we didn't hear all that much kristie coming from a lot of u.s. lawmakers but now john mccain just wants to go invade another country more military options i'd really love to see his reasoning to it was like well now that we're done in libya you know we need to go somewhere else we have to keep the military industrial complex the law in love because we've learned the solution invariably to leaders in our countries murdering their own citizens is to drop bombs on those people although if we want to make sure that we get paid back i mean we should do this time is concerted helping c o d bombs you know you drop them when they disappear until you swipe a credit card and then they blow up and you don't have to do bachmann's thing we're trying to. right now who is going to be reimbursing us next i thought it was you obviously were doing a lot of coverage on the show we spoke about the fact that he was looking for an
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occupier to be on the newest real world now they're actually doing a true life i'm occupying wall street here's a little snippet. sure. in this episode for life we'll meet three young people felt to lose everything they lost because they can't control their brief. weight ok that was the wrong clip. got there but there really is a true like it's going to be airing like on november fifth i think where they follow a couple kids that are doing the occupy wall street thing and i don't know i can i well i was kind of skeptical of them trying to recruit a real world there because i think real world that has gone downhill so so so much but through life i'm occupy wall street maybe you think it has a chance well i'm really intrigued because i think they were there the same time that we were so i don't know how we missed them but apparently they go from like
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you're right they're fearing the clean up and all of that i'm going to be interesting. kind of perfect right because i'll keep my long wall street really launched by adbusters magazine activists around that because we're all sort of fans of the old sixty's situation as some board the society the spectacle of whose main idea right was a sort of brilliance power of modern capitalist societies to sort of absorb dissent involved you know turning it into a commodity turning it into a spectacle so you know we'll take this sort of revolutionary movement back he was a real you know we've seen the occupy wall street condoms we think of there are a lot of people that are now trying to monetize this whole thing let's do our last story really really great because it's so funny so imagine that you're traveling and you have to give up you know your suitcase to get to the t.s.a. and then you open up her suitcase and somebody may or may not have found a personal sex toy in there and are just a sign from the t.s.a. of the get your. because it's actually happening to somebody you. know blogger out there who you know this is the you know the jewel pulled from from families to
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person just i feel a little bit weird talking about girls vibrator on on national television that's why i want you to come talk about ok we're going to do so. she's retiring now because you know some t.s.a. agent part of it so i just makes my christmas shopping is your. mother know what you're supposed to be doing when you're taken as i get for dangerous explosives like you know i mean it is out of things but if it's vibrating you know and then you can hope and notice and you know i think that you know those are gone by accident because yeah i think that i didn't see exactly who i think i know was was i going to say sorry larry i don't mean to you operate out of time thank you so much for joining me tonight you guys that's a pretty nice show thanks for joining in make sure the come back tomorrow time you saw me there from the think progress from joining us for happy hour in the meantime don't forget your family are still on facebook follow us on twitter if you miss anything you can catch all the you tube dot com nashville in a show and coming up next.
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