tv [untitled] October 25, 2011 11:31pm-12:01am EDT
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to get. guys it's time for show and tell and now last week we spoke to gene healy about the u.s. intervention in uganda it was announced last week and we asked if sending it we should be sending troops into the country let's go to producer patrice in a century to find out what you think. the u.s. is currently fighting five wars for national security interests two official wars in iraq and afghanistan and three shadow wars from pakistan yemen and somalia and in the last year we've extended our military for so-called humanitarian efforts in
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libya and now uganda the u.s. has stated that it will be sending one hundred troops uganda to stop the lord's resistance army from continuing to kill innocent civilians so what the u.s. currently involved in at least five conflicts for national security reasons and one for state of humanitarian purposes are we stretching ourselves too thin should the u.s. be sending troops to uganda hold timothy said no we must bring all troops home and stop policing the world now aaron political on youtube things we should stop sending troops anywhere we are apparently the barbarians of the world who fix everything with force walker said allowing mass murder is wrong but his anger that americans only seem to intervene when there is oil or other tangible interest at stake bada boom rob said the u.s. needs to stay out of uganda's business but they want the oil that's there anything to keep it from going to trying is their mantra now many of our viewers who wrote
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in think the u.s. is motivate. by oil i think there are many factors here to look at so why after so many years has the us decided to intervene now is the lord's resistance army responsible for the deaths of so many civilians gets should the u.s. military be going into uganda to try and stop them well that's a different story altogether. well as always we appreciate your responses and here's our next question for you at home early in the show we discussed rick perry's new economic plan to give people an option to pay a flat tax rate of twenty percent you heard my two cents but let us know what you think is a flat tax a good idea for us you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and you know it's a response that just might make. now it comes to being open and honest with the public google might not be the first company that comes to mind but internet search giant has been known for invading privacy and crossing that creepy line through various programs things like google street view google plus if you features on g.
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mail but it looks like the search giant is making attempts at being more open through its unique transparency tool now the tool isn't and as is fairly anything new it does offer up a chance for the public to see how often go get served by governments with requests for information and so here's an on shocker it's a lot for example the number of u.s. government requests for data on google users who might be involved in a criminal investigation has gone up twenty nine percent in the past six months now from beginning of january to the end of june this year government agencies sent five thousand nine hundred fifty requests which averages out to about thirty one per day so yeah i would still say that's a lot and that means that governments are increasingly turning to a person's internet profile be it social media our e-mail to dig up all the dirt they want and are looking for google's help because let's not forget they have a scary amount of your personal information now google openly admits it has complied in some way with ninety three percent of those government requests which can vary from subpoenas to court orders but there is a little bit of
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a silver lining here. in google's transparency report the company now includes the number of users and accounts affected by those government requests however it doesn't break down the requests by type but still this is a milestone for the corporation google and is alone in providing that kind of data to the public and according to the company itself the goal of providing that type of transparency is to encourage efforts to reform the twenty year old electronic communications privacy act that's a law that currently allows law enforcement to obtain users' online information without a judge's approval so these reform efforts are shared by amazon a.o.l. a.t.m. t. and facebook also part of a group called the due process coalition over none of those companies have you provided data on hopped in the government seeks information about you so while the government is increasingly seeking that personal information from internet companies it is a step in the right direction that google's making efforts to be somewhat honest about its cooperation but google still can't release any information on all other sorts of requests that it received from the government from pfizer warrants to
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national security letters which all can be issued by the f.b.i. in drug and terrorism cases and come with gag orders attached so the truth is americans are a long way away from knowing just how much google truly works with the government to hand over your private info. now guess what the obama administration which promised to be the most open and transparent is up to now a proposer vision of the freedom of information act rules that would allow federal agencies to simply lie to citizens and reporters that are seeking certain records by telling them that they don't exist even if they do now these rules were originally made public in march but after a lot of transparency and civil rights groups raised objections they open up comment submissions in september and the comments definitely came in they c.l.u. along with citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington and open the government or they all wrote a letter to the a g o j saying this move will dramatically undermine government integrity by allowing a law designed to provide public access to government information to be twisted to permit federal law enforcement agencies to actively lie to the american people so
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what are the chances that the objections can actually get this thing stopped and what does this say about the obama administration so far a very poor record on living up to their promise of transparency and joining me to discuss this is aaron schwartz founder and director of demand progress dot org and i want to thank you so much for coming on tonight it's been a while since we've we've had you on the show and before we get into what the new rule is can you talk about you know it's not like the government already has to hand over everything that you ask for when it comes to the freedom of information act they still have a lot of ways to say no so what's already in place. well that's right there's an enormous number of exemptions and exceptions to the freedom of information act it's not a law that just totally turns everything over in the government to the public so for example the government is allowed to withhold things that might endanger a corporation they're allowed to withhold things that way invade people's personal privacy which they've often interpreted to mean they can withhold things that are
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embarrassing about government workers or government officials and they're allowed to withhold things that. impede a criminal investigation or endanger national security so these are sort of big broad categories which the government has already been using to turn down lots of freedom of information act requests i know they also have another response where they basically you know can tell you that they can neither confirm nor deny whether the document exists i think about called the globe our response right and that's something that is just really vague we can't confirm or deny whether we have this but now they want to just cut out all you know all of the vagary there and basically just lie to your face i can understand what possible legal rationale they're using for trying to push this rule and you know what's behind it. it's exactly right the globe or case was a case where the courts ruled that in certain extreme cases of national security instead of confirming that they had certain documents which might give away information they could say they could neither confirm nor deny those documents now
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what they're changing it to which is just insane and that changing it to outright lying and saying that they don't have any documents even when they know they do i can't think of any possible justification nobody's pointed to a single case where somebody has been put in danger because the government didn't lie it's completely absurd i mean do you think they might just trying to be discouraging lawsuits here right because sometimes you can sue if they deny or for every question at this point if they lie to you tell you that it is exist i guess people aren't going to follow up and try to take it to court. yeah that's exactly right so at the moment if they give you this sort of global response you can take them to court and review their decision but their theory is if they just lie to you and say they don't have any documents you won't think of challenging them to find out the truth and so it's a way for government agencies to avoid having to comply with the law ok so are you as outraged about this as as i am of the a.c.l.u. is crew is open the government dot org is i mean i absolutely think that it's
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ludicrous yeah i think it's completely outrageous i mean as you just showed the government is taking more and more documents about us getting them from sites like google and facebook and now they want to disclose the less and less to the public you know it's completely absurd it's actually illegal to lie to a government agent and yet the government wants to make it legal to light all of us . it's ridiculous really but let's talk about the obama administration to write and i think you and i have talked about so again about this before but here is an administration that came in promising to be the most open and the most transparent and history at this point do you think that they get a failing grade i mean let's not forget this is also the president that actually received a transparency award but in a very private ceremony it would open to the press. yes i mean this is just another in a long line of incredibly anti transparent moves from the obama administration from cracking down on whistleblowers to withholding documents to as you mentioned not even accepting their transparency award in public it's completely ridiculous and
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it's been one of the most anti transparency administrations we've seen which is saying something considering the legacy from the bush administration. now if we really look at the freedom of information act isn't an incredibly important act of this is for us and really something else and really incredibly important that we get to take advantage of as journalists as american citizens to try to get information out there can you think of some things that the you think the you know where the most important revelations are very prominent revelations that really came out of the fact that we have a freedom of information act yeah i mean there's been so many but just as a few examples a lot of the revelations about bush's spying program came out because of freedom of information act requests at the moment i personally am filing a freedom of information act requests to find out more information about something which i think was reported right on your show which is the government's use of special software to adopt secret personas to post on the internet forums as multiple people and in fact you know i use the free new information act requests to
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find out that the f.b.i. had staked out my parents' house i mean there's so many fascinating things we find out about what our government is doing to us because of this crucial tool and it would be outrageous to try and take it away like do you think that it's not all that aware that you know as we just did the story about google having this tool that at least shows us how many times the government goes to and requests for people's personal private information but i mean google is also known for having a very cozy relationship with the government so are they trying to kind of play both teams here and you know sit on the fence a little. i think what we're seeing is google pushing a little bit in the direction of more openness because of all the criticism and the pressure they've received what we'd really like is for google not just to give us a number each year of how many requests they received but actually tell us the details of those requests and inform people about their data before they turn it over to the government the way twitter handles but you know i think it's that's why it's important to keep public pressure on and that's why we demand progress start
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or have some petitions urging corporations to be a little bit more open and transparent. all right aaron really quickly to you know it's been a while since we've had you on the show can you give us any updates as to as to your story what's going on. are you not allowed words on it and i have to be careful talking about a case but i can say that if you go to demand progress that or there's an urgent thing happening tomorrow which everybody should know about where the government is introducing a new even more extreme bill to try and blacklist certain websites off the internet . craze take action all right thank you so much erin thanks for having me. ok guys it's our last break of the evening but you don't want to miss what's coming up are told time when it's night things that there is another war on another holiday being waged in your children's schools thank you no i'm talking about and happy hour tonight herman cain's new campaign ad is ok and literally an air force want you to know that what they do isn't science fiction efforts when it kind of it looked at that.
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our guys have time for tonight tool time award and tonight we go to our favorite morning show to love to hate fox and friends to gretchen stephen brian well really know how to take a shall we say unique approach to truly hard hitting topics and yesterday was absolutely no exception to that these some schools across the country are banning students from wearing their hollowing costumes to school and so forth fox and friends are not ok with that but they're not just not ok with it you know their style they say that it's all out war. all right so apparently they call this we don't have the quote for you unfortunately but i can just tell you when they said that this is an all out assault on holloway that common sense has flown out the window and the name of the all powerful political correctness now i think that in order to call the proper amount of attention to that serious attack they also called in a guest to reinforce their point of view and they gave us a few context of the horrible affront to the rights of children basically saying that well you know what if kids really want to costume even if they can afford
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a costume who cares about the immigrants then what they can do is they can go to arts and crafts classes this is an art school anyway but can you think about that you guys i mean really kids have arts and crafts costumes sure they're going to feel really really awesome about themselves to you know how cruel kids are these days but let's go back to talking about gretchen and i'm just having to explaining this to you are clips aren't working right now but you know how gretchen is she was really moved by this because she decided to tell viewers how truly hurt she was by the fact that there was a war on holloway and because she was upset that her child wouldn't be able to wear a costume she was upset that her poor child wouldn't be able to take part in the same american traditions that she got to grow up in but you know i really know that sorry for her poor children because something tells me they get to wear designer holloway in costumes and not the arts and crafts type but you know i think that it kind of makes sense right the gresham is so passionate about this is salt after all she has been on the frontlines of fighting anybody who dares attack one of
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america's holidays i think you all probably remember we've shown it to you many times here on this show fox news what are the fox and friends host a good hard hitting question during their g.o.p. presidential debate and gretchen decided to make her question for the candidate one that's near and near and dear to her heart of all things seriously think about this all things that could actually asked a presidential candidate at a debate she decided to ask them about the war on christmas and how they feel about the war on christmas i mean. forget about immigration poverty unemployment no gregson it wanted to know about political correctness and the war and christmas and apparently in her world that's a really important issue of course we also can't forget the fact that fox and friends is really upset about the war started on easter the president obama issued a statement for ramadan addressing the muslim world as obama extended a hand of the muslim community gretchen and company could not believe that easter was overlooked i mean they were absolutely outraged i think we actually have this
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one so take a look some people said that they might have an issue with the fact that he didn't issue a proclamation for easter so some people are saying is this an outreach to the muslim world and why isn't there an outreach to the christian world historically does have a white house grew old but they didn't issue official proclamation like they did for ramadan just now. all right we got one clip in there but come on people has in america learned its lesson yet you don't mess around with us holidays or else you'll be called out on fox and friends but seriously i just wonder don't these people have anything more present to talk about during their morning shows from the looks of it calling attention to fake wars against holidays is the best they can come up with these days so for that fox and friends received tonight's tool time award.
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our guys have time for happy hour joining me tonight is archie producer jenny churchill and tanya solomon had a reporter and blogger for think progress dot org thanks for joining me guys thanks for and i think we actually have our clips for this one of those talk talking through the clips is always interesting for ten like i'm fox and friends and gretchen and steve doocy and brian kilmeade but if we have the clip i think it's all going to go well let's take a look at herman cain's new ad that was released last night i think it's kind of hilarious but everybody is absolutely going crazy over it today in the media so let's take a look for a second. like nobody's ever seen but then america's never seen a candidate like john mccain we need you to get involved because together we can do this we can take this country.
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starters i just feel like this ad comes from somewhere in the one nine hundred eighty s. with like the really cheesy song and herman cain just smiling i mean this is low production stuff right this isn't like these are the flashy campaign ads that we've seen from rick santorum from tim paul leonti you know for ron paul but the media today you know i mean you have to laugh about that right it's kind of funny but i feel like some of them. actually tried to take it seriously and couldn't believe that the guy was smoking and i definitely saw a christian thing on m.s.n. b.c. saying really smoking a cigarette really who cares i think there's a lot of people in america that actually smoke cigarettes them i actually think i was cool because he says like real americans that i like herman cain and that just might play to his base it's not crazy to smoke a cigarette yes no i mean i completely agree with you and i think that that was the whole point was that he's kind of bucking what everyone else is doing they've got these flashy movie ask ads and his looks like it was shot outside the cosco. yeah. but i mean nothing says america's future alike you know chain smoking and
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a hamburger mustache so really he's speaking of the core of america ok maybe that's not the future america wants but i still think that it probably makes sense for a lot of americans who they like that ok speaking of ads though let's take a look at an ad from the air force and will play it for you first and then we'll kind of break it down as to why it's so funny because the whole tagline here is not science fiction so pay attention for some things that might look kind of like science fiction.
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so spencer ackerman over wire danger did a pretty good job of breaking his down the day because he's like ok you know people are in trouble air force comes in to help them we're all cool but then you have the engines that rotate into a verbal position which is impossible to happen then you have this gigantic plane which is one hundred seventy four feet long and can weigh up to five hundred eighty five thousand pounds land on a bridge that's why it's grinding and falling apart and yet they're still able to land on it and nothing happens and then it just completely turns into a different plane altogether it becomes transformer play actually maybe a transformer has got a government contract maybe that's what happened here that we all want to know right now but it's a little ironic that they're calling it not science fiction and then they just do an ad that's completely unrealistic i mean we see it all the time but like least i'll call it that. i mean i cannot imagine a world in which and it was also i'm to see the press person be like well no yes none of those things could happen but that's not the point of the ad well if that's
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one of the ad why does it actually say that in the ad. this statement not actually meant to be true yes that's very little asked for it doesn't nobody would notice because apparently he then contacted the air force they're like well the whole thing is supposed to be the focus on actually helping civilians in times of need right which they actually do you know where you do that like just forget about the whole fact that we just splashed it. transforms into a going to alienate thing don't focus on that i think what happened was actually. the budget to make this to make humming cain's ad movie ask was actually just shifting into the air force budget so they had to go all out. ok so speaking about the. air force let's talk about military recruiters for a second here because we know that i don't know about you guys but i went to u.c. santa cruz and this is always a huge deal every time that we had a jobs fair on campus it's a pretty liberal campus we see a lot of protests any time there's a jobs fair we have military recruiters there there was always massive protests and
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i think we actually have a clip to show you real quick. i. think it was probably while i was still at school there but so portland is actually allowing high schools now or they're considering allowing them to have anti-war protesters right alongside the military recruiters to actually talk kids out of signing up for the military we think that that i mean i think it's always good when you can get multiple perspectives on something and i'm a little torn because i was always super weirded out by the military recruiters in high school because they would call me at home and try to get me to go into the military which were to my mind at the same time it is a good option for a lot of americans so i'm torn but i do think it's good but they should be honest about it these youngsters show you air corps commercials like that and tell you you're going to ride magical planes that transform into other magical planes so i think this is interesting because these are high school kids you know their
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attention span is that of a gnat you know you have a flashy ball it's on one table and then fliers on pirates on another it's portland let's be serious so you know who's going to win i think i think the military recruiters still have an advantage on that all right let's really quickly reducing it to a very interesting development it's being debated right now take a look. but there's very little help for me to do this we can talk about testing an anthrax vaccine on children now it's already been tested on millions of adults and it's considered so you would scientists are still unsure how safe and effective it would be for a child. so this is something that they're debating right now because then you know they can give it to children and they'll be prepared if there's ever an anthrax attack but i just feel like is anthrax really a big issue anymore i feel like that was so two thousand and one that we haven't really heard of like anthrax attacks and then i guess this is our likely exit is exist they really like the most important thing you know to be making vaccines for
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right now well it's not that they wouldn't be making new vaccines it's actually in them testing the original vaccines on children i don't know i mean i think that they made a good point would you rather as test them now or wait until there's an actual attack and then just give it to thousands of kids ok you know i mean one point michele bachmann is not going to like that right now we can be sure that all devolve into a partisan slugfest that's one thing we do know about this issue can't wait but up and. fortune are out of time but they get so much for joining me that's it for tonight's show thanks for tuning in make sure they come back tomorrow representative keith ellison is going to be on the program to discuss occupy wall street in the meantime don't forget to become a fan of the alone a show on facebook and follow us on twitter you missed any of nights or any other nights you can always catch the you tube dot com slash the lot of show and coming up next it's.
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