oh i'm charging to washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture peaceful protesters were under siege in the streets of oakland last night as cops lobbed flash grenades fired tear gas canisters and shot rubber bullets into the crowds shocking street video and the latest developments from the occupy oakland movement in just a month and president obama offered his rescue plan for college students and graduates drowning in student loan debt so one of the republicans who. you need to know this battleground oakland for a second night in a row oakland police resorted to tear gas flash grenades and rubber bullets to a bit to break up the patriotic americans who make up the occupy oakland movement

late last night officers in riot gear violently confronted hundreds of occupy oakland atria it's in front of city hall and used a whole array of weapons to clear the crowd oakland police initially denied using flash grenades in this video you clearly see a crowd of demonstrators being hit by flash grenades at one point when a group of people rushed to help someone injured by one of those fresh grenades you'll see another one lobbed by cops into the crowd. with three.

this is police violence pure and simple direct against nonviolent patriots who are quite literally only exercising their first amendment right to peaceably assemble and petition the government for redress of grievances using the language of the first of them and here's another video of one man a marine veteran who was shot by police in the head with one of the many rubber coated bullets that the oakland police fired into the crowd. ah ah. that is. cool we had a lot of. shock. but you're right that's your. one thing i think if that was not a clip from burma or around or as herman cain would say beki beki beki stan this

was police suppression of political protest against american patriots peaceably assembled in a public area right here in the united states of america and a man you just saw believing out of the head is in critical condition in a hospital sedated and on a respirator and the police would not have been able to do this if it hadn't been authorized by a like to civilian authorities like oakland's mayor and city council that i mentioned by the way that oakland's mayor is now facing a recall petition to crackdown against the occupy movement is getting more and more violent around the country this week police have attacked america american patriots and chicago atlanta albuquerque boston and several other cities for the latest in what happened last night in oakland joshua holland joins me now he's writer editor alternate dot org and has been covering the ongoing clashes in that city joshua welcome. thanks for having me tom thanks for joining us what's going on right now.

well the protesters are going to reconvene in an hour and a half at the same spot where you saw that footage from last night i will be out there we'll see what happens tonight ok the. hall today in our open letter to the mayor of oakland quote of the norwegian peace researcher johan. would you find peace in these terms he said by peace we mean the capacity to transform conflicts with empathy without violence and creatively a never ending process didn't the mare and the civilian a philip authorities who ordered the police to do this totally fail at. keeping the peace. well i certainly think that way and you know we see in the aftermath of these incidents there's a lot of finger pointing people try to say well it was the protesters that provoked at the police. did it you know to play weapons without provocation you have these debates and i think that they miss the fact that before any incident happens on the

street tactical and strategic decisions are made at the command level last night what i saw was again and again police repeatedly boxing and protesters responding to their peaceful first at first peaceful protest with very aggressive police tactics and when i think of that does it denies them an outlet to let off some steam and it ratchets up the tension and it crowd control should have the ultimate aim to do shoes tension not to increase that denies them the ability even to leave in some cases are any reports of how many people were injured last night. i only heard reports three to five. i haven't been out to open today i'm going out about an hour an hour i'll update you when i talk to the legal observers who seem to be the most corrupt into to the latest reports any word of the merits office. no the mayor was in washington apparently on

a lobbying trip there was somewhere that she ordered the and that eviction of the can't specifically when she would be out of town she either has returned today or is returning and you know that there's a significant tension between the community and the mayor's office and this operation is costing hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars and over time there are a hundred riot police guarding this very small piece of public space in the meantime the city council is voting on a proposal tonight to shutter a number of oakland schools so mayor kwan is not popular as you mentioned in the introduction there's a recall petition that's been filed against her that petition wasn't inspired by her diction at the occupy oakland camp but one has to think that lingering resentment over that may help may help push it over the top. i think you're absolutely right joshua holland alternate joshua thank you so much. for having me

always a pleasure meanwhile in atlanta police cleared would have parked in the middle of night and the sight of occupy atlanta for the last two weeks several people were arrested in a still unclear why police stepped in to break up what had been a peaceful occupation for more than fifteen days and now there are reports coming out of baltimore that police intend to break up the three week old occupation in that city two so there seems to be a concerted effort by law enforcement around the nation to put an end of the occupy movement right now and they may find some success with the rests and shutdowns but they won't find success trying to kill an idea and one of the biggest ideas coming out of the occupy movement deals with something called corporate personhood general assembly meetings across the nation have put any corporate personhood at the top of many of their lists of demands for example the occupy minneapolis movements general assembly agreed by absolute consensus. on october twenty second that quote resolved

at the general assembly of occupy minnesota orders that congress introduce an amendment to the united states constitution to end corporate personhood effectively stating that corporations are not people and money is not speech. or personhood well also approved by consensus in minneapolis was the statement it is the opinion of the proposal presenter that of all issues important to occupy in minnesota this is the most important because corporate influence on government ender's all other progress we hope to make and equip so why has this very clear proposal caught on like a wildfire among the occupy movement what are the consequences of corporate personhood and how exactly do we do away with it for that we turn to our new york studio with katrina vanden heuvel editor and publisher of the nation magazine and jay harris director of the we the people campaign katrina and welcome to you both thank you thanks thanks for joining us first off i've had callers in my radio show we're live

on the air in san francisco in oakland on station there who say that there were children in the camp when it was tear gassed and raided i'm curious about your personal thoughts on the police violence and. i think there needs to be investigation. as you were saying tom the right of peaceful free assembly by these nonviolent protesters in oakland and around the country at the more than fourteen hundred plus occupy encampments is critical and if we see more police brutality it will be to will fuel more anger in this country and what we need is that anger now to be channeled into things like fighting corporate personhood but the police brutality will move in very dangerous directions in my view for this country and it's needs to be investigated and in time just to make the point that i mean give i was at occupy oakland a couple weeks ago clean orderly quiet you know as you put it earlier of citizens

exercising their right to assimilate i mean this was not a group that need to be broken up violently jay how did the we the people campaign dot org start. well this actually grew out of a little rebellion that katrina and jim hightower and i. started really about a year ago. we brought together a group of. good folks earlier in the year or advocates journalists labor union folks various people with who had who recognized that the corporate power in general and citizens united decision specifically were enormous threats to any any pretense of democracy in this country and. basically people came grew out of that meeting as you know some a an idea that we could get. various parts of the progressive family calling

together on a response to citizens united and you have a very specific the budgetary. and i'm told i was going to say you know the nation immediately after that decision which we're coming on two years of we wrote an editorial called democracy in and we said with no quarter for sin a sin a cynicism or compromise this must be the battle of great times in the same way the amendment to end slavery the amendment to bring women's rights the vote women's. the right to vote as you know tom jane i we're talking about this you've been on this issue for many years but what this does is put our democracy at risk and we're seeing it sitting here today the super committee flooded with contributions we see every day in our lives because every issue we care about that would lead to civilize in advances is blocked is that structed by the corporate money now just metastasizing through our system so the amendment strategy which you mentioned occupy minnesota is championing is critical it will be

a long fight as jay and i know but we the people campaigned on org. it's committed and i think the occupy movements now have supercharged that issue in a way that is excited etc i'm curious your take your. either of you actually the various suggestions out there you have you know the petition that people can sign on your website they're very clearly says corporations are people money isn't speech we need to we need to do something about this amend the constitution david cobb over move to a man as this specific language stripping corporate personhood on the other hand dylan ratigan or unless you want to preserve corporate power but limit campaign contributions and then on the third hand you've got tom lindsay in the community environmental legal defense fund sold off out there just basically having communities helping communities pass laws denying corporate power by the force of law any thoughts from either of you on on strategy or the best way to go or is is this principally designed to be educational let's get going. with this we the

people. i think this is about getting going i mean keep american people know that that corporations have far more power than they do in this system that is on the front page new york times today the recognition of essentially regular people don't have power or they and that's what's behind the occupy wall street so simply showing folks that there is a channel for change i think is the first step and then we can work out the details of language later that's when i think there's also a set it there's a set of steps if i might even before the amendment strategy that we can and by the way not just as progressive as independents and conservatives because when that citizens united decision came down across the board trance partisan opposition and anger and concern about corporate power in this country but i do think that in the short run we need to fight for fair elections now for getting big money out of our politics small donations public financing and move to an amendment strategy that we

know we're not naïve takes years but it is educating mobilizing organizing people around this country it wouldn't hurt i have to say because entrenched power needs strong demands and won't given very easily if the community did arrive on a strong clear amendment language strategy but for now i think it's organizing and educating as the right wing has done over these last decades to the detriment i think of our country yes and very successful fortune like i'm tryna jay thank you both very much for being with us and for the great work tom thanks for having us thank you i'll have more of corporate personhood later in the show and ideally take . coming out. to conservative guess what are republicans really doing create jobs in our law. right after this break.

it was. quite. was the police was. quick test nobody seems to know. that never persuade the face but hardly argument that they're being overly dramatic

. it's wednesday night when i'm the lone liberal and go up against two conservative political commentators to debate the week's biggest story so far on our panel tonight daniel helped get me on line editor at the weekly standard and jing lines dean senior editor of the daily caller let's get started we talked about the violence in oakland. everybody's talking about. and scott olsen two tours in iraq marine shot in the head with a rubber bullet on a respirator in critical condition the hospital tonight is this any way to run a city but first let me just call that the new the new promotion for t where they're implicitly saying that barack obama is a dictator comparing it to the process in egypt i personally don't think he has one because i think it i think these days it is

a mock i see here and what you have are they were trying to retake my understanding of the terrible situation which you just mentioned in iraq or that he was now in critical condition it's horrible but from my understanding and i think i don't think we have enough details yet he's certain is that they thought they were throwing. what i've been to occupy d.c. i wouldn't consider these all nonviolent i would you don't think that those who are petitioning their government for redress of grievances are patriots or throw according to the police they were throwing throwing bottles and you don't think behavior who are trying to resell. the iraq to retake in in the in the governance of their nation are paid to the people on the protest don't like america i think i've been down there i've talked to them you know where you video where they have been a person if you think you're going to you're going to fly that old canard it's not our guys in down there out it is it is used to coming out of frank nonce and its rider if it is to get the stuff that was on the proletariat crabbing into dictators

i go through i can speak to the promise of the first one to racine and i only saw the last half hour so i don't know what you're talking about but that said and whatever that may be that said these people know anybody who's engaged in the political process in the united states in my opinion they have every right i think they have areas or people having people who show up and say you know i have a beef with the government and i want to participate i think they have every i think they have every right to do with that's a protest i have no problem with that i also happen to think that a good part of those probe people there not all of them but i've talked to some i've seen videos of their answers were they what some people think north of north korea's or some paradise you know pretty likely jane is the expert on the occupy wall i've also been i've also seen the videos that there are obvious rampant anti semitism at some of these protests there is obviously at some of these protests that would be good and kind of supporters goes out into as we had as let me finish my statement it would be the right thing to do for some people who endorsed the protest that least it least say that those elements of the protest better saying

there are spewing into semitic are wrong and and that bigotry should not be a lot of movement with that said these people obviously they should be allowed to produce an immensely bigotry let's put it let's just say you condemn the entire set of his and i am unaware of it oh there's going to. be with this is a certain point there's plenty of videos i sort of start with what is this the party of the recent around i'm going to look at these guys in the picture of barack obama and you were calling this and you're calling it a very mean and it wasn't. no i wasn't call you were but a lot a lot of people are going and that's what you guys are sounding like i mean we were we were actually green the vilified and more so you know i was a couple of crazies was a bad idea and now you guys are doing what i did let's not lose it sounded let's not it was this out of this this whole event no doubt a perspective this is not a rush you got to get. in a police state this is this what this is is a democratic mayor who is elected by the people suggest this is

a police state if you're not easily digitise there's not as he don't want it had these people have given their chance to. voice their opinions they were allowed to come back at other times at that time they weren't allowed to advance on to the public probably you are not a person as you know by the. people have an other time they have i'm not i don't know the details as your previous guests don't know the details are still coming out so reserve judgment on the exact thing but i will say that these people have had ample opportunity to voice their discontent with the government so the friedman says ok and you know. you'll for up to a should continue to have it in the end you can peaceably assemble intil daniel has decided that you know an ample opportunity a military wise what you're looking at least let me tell you if you can't move to public property you can't like move to the washington mall like i'm going to choose and i don't recall that because just because that's how that's how public release it let me say that how do you think we became an independent republic let me say

that you compared earlier protests to this looks like something that happened in burma or no it's not in burma and they would be live bullets there'd be much more massacres this is nothing like that this would be they were marching back to the in violation of the law you are right violation of the what you are right and and and to to absolutely compare this with burma iran would be an oversight which i do however this is unlikely this is just a very very strong in me. i think these people should have the right to protest and i i don't. because of this are still coming out and. this is a democratic mayor this is not left wing movement this is a the you know there's mateo's or forget it's down to by the number of people that i have calling on my radio show saying i'm a conservative i'm a tea partier i'm with these people i'm one of the ninety nine percent i mean it's just it is almost like ninety nine percent of the people are going to say it seems that way any of mitt romney puts on the flip flop speaking to voters in ohio yesterday he gets to support for senate bill five the senate bill five is

a piece of legislation that john casing pushed through that basically strips ohio. union members of the right to collectively bargain and the surrounding comes in and he says oh you know that's not a good idea to collective bargain he should be just you know fine and then all of a sudden everybody goes nuts and then he comes back and he goes well i guess i support senate bill five no. let's let's have mitt romney. the most charitable way to read it because the guy's dealing with a lot of issues he just didn't know about one particular referendum in. his secret it's virtually identical to the it's the motion should want to take care of the us is now going to legislation you know he has you know narrative away maybe he wasn't exactly sure what what they were talking about so he reserved though he had a divorce that last june that's the thing indorsed in june it was the again today it was yesterday that he was unsure about it is calling it a flip flop as rick perry rick perry is trying to beat him for the nomination. but

i mean look he was it wasn't his bush and that he's not stuck his foot in his mouth he has the right position now. to do this to him which is adviser no question that i hope you'll answer with some small amount of candor because you know i've been unwilling to be critical of president obama signs that you've asked me this if mitt romney you know if we were talking two years ago on the field is wide open and nobody even knew would you be defending him as aggressively as as you would not let somebody get i could affect you as an obvious contribution i was saying the most charitable reading is that. the obvious the untrammeled reading is the one that you gave it i don't know what's in his mind you know i think he's got a i think he's doing this and i think he's been doing that for a long long time and he out the things that undermines him doing this by the way and putting his hands of the for the women seeing where it's that he was at a call center where they were calling kinda worse that thing i mean the obvious him doing that would be him and we're seeing it right away and so it is it does it gives you more than impression of

a gaffe but i don't really know what to do i don't know what's going on the senate republicans filibustered president obama's jobs bill two weeks ago then they filibustered a bill it was four thousand teachers cops and firefighters back on the job because they couldn't stomach a one half of one percent tax hike on people after they've made their first million being a pain you know a penny on every dollar of the second million. so meanwhile president obama has unveiled his we can't we campaign and all the while the only thing republicans don't basically is filibuster this according to moody's quote their republican proposals quote will likely push the economy back into recession so how is crashing the economy a defensible position for you know one and a half percent here they wanted at one point that was half a percent here they wanted it one point five percent remember the health care bill that's what they wanted to fund you know what was it three percent higher bill clinton what it is it is jobs that are brought to you but you keep at it if you keep adding percentages up that there is a limit to what you can do actually though i mean you this is you can't just paper

everything by keep raising taxes what we have got long term entitlement is bill asked why don't we have a long term entitlement spending i mean one half of this president is gone or the president is going around the country and san francisco yesterday in denver earlier today he's going around the country and he's trying to say these are republican ideas or democratic ideas this is a bipartisan bill the only thing bipartisan about this bill is opposition to the bill what you can say you know what can you guy who does you've got one crazy democrat you know some democrats and republicans lieberman is not a democrat. he's been republicans voted against and you don't only democrats voted for the bill the problem is he's he's introducing policies that he once again if the vote he wanted not as a son he said he'd previously said he would raise raise taxes in a recession he wants to raise taxes you guys are completely and i think that it would try to stimulus we could or did we fail. it will will we've that. according to a new report by the call you because we're getting screamed at me about we had time

according to a new report by the college board average tuition public universities is up eight percent over the last year it's going to four hundred percent since ronald reagan came in office ronald reagan the guy who when he was governor of california ended free college tuition that state. the president is saying that he wants to get modern not us debt relief student loan debt relief to five point eight million students so do the republicans think as paul ryan and paul ryan comes out as i work three jobs i don't see any evidence that he actually worked three jobs while he was in college or any other rondo's come from working class background he said i worked three jobs he wasn't just another little really good so we would be really free. clue that was a hard job that you do you would think that his people would put it on there every you know the problem with bush saying that we're going to work three jobs here is not the all-american way you know the problem of giving colleges handouts like this the problem is not it's not that you know education is good that's a good thing the problem is that it encourages universities to continue to raise

their prices that's why a university can raise their prices eight percent why they go to california he is now free and so ronald reagan him down from one hundred years to new to get better is that what held great the federal handouts continued to get bigger and so therefore the colleges can. get more ryan better at argument and it's not a message that he might also and i'm sitting right here to say but he might want to not everyone go to college especially not everyone can go get an arts degree and then there is no like fine arts jobs after the restoration there when i quit alaska . this may not. news for someone on our panel tonight fox news and former miss liberals have officially started a war on our wane. it's an all out assault on holloway and schools across the country doing everything from banning costumes to removing the holiday because it may offend immigrants all right have we replaced common sense which political correctness joining us is the only color senior editor janie weinstein good morning t.j. me thanks for having me all right now amongst the two of us here i'm i think kids

should be allowed to wear their costumes on halloween to school. anyhow luckily we have our resident holiday we're worker expert during jimmy wednesday to help us figure out what the next holiday fox news declares is under attack will be cited from the annual one christmas which we can all predict will be a valentine's day liberals are trying to co-opt the holiday for same sex couples or be our day liberals are going overboard their obsession with planting trees we need more parking lots we're seeing columbus day can't liberals just let us honor a genocidal maniac without going on human rights one with the colors of the other we're going to say we're too broad in the war and how we need to consider other fronts at this moment but to paraphrase which and churchill we will fight in the pumpkin patches we'll fight him on houses we will fight in a zombie lairs we will never surrender. but i'm not a pagan holiday defender i can do it i could care less we are i don't think we should declare war and my guess is the next holiday they're going to declare war on

is labor day a way that ronald reagan did an eighty one but it's already. close and it's. great to have you both here with us. coming up g.o.p. presidential candidate rick perry proposed the twenty twentieth's tax plan through republican version of heads i win tails you lose. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to. breakthrough hit thirty p m a who can you trust no one who is your view with the global mission or is it where we had a state controlled capitalism is called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more.