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impact of the arab spring on israel is explored now in our interview show spotlight host going over speaks to the former head of the israeli national security council that's next here on. hello again i walked into the spotlight they interviewed cheryl tate i'll. be guest on the program is. israel says the unrest in the middle east didn't harm tell of them but the arab spring has inspired many palestinians to step up the fight for independence and israel's closest neighbors syria and egypt are still in turkey so how does the jewish state cope with the revolutionary spirit within and outside its borders we're asking the former head of the israeli security council

and senior research fellow at the institute for national security studies in. although the arab spring didn't affect israel directly it's complicated jerusalem's relations with its neighbors. leader hosni mubarak was the jewish state staunch ally for three decades but after he got on the throne long simmering still she against israel has burst into the open next but israel shows he's ready to talk just days ago in jerusalem managed to bring back that soldier from the california captivity in return for more than an hour. thank you thank you very much for being with us first of all i'd like to ask you. about this exchange of more than a thousand palestinian prisoners for one captured israeli soldier gilad schalit.

it's a controversial matter everybody welcomes it but some say it's a concession to hamas and the current of israel how would you comment. well it was a controversial matter and is a little because this proposal of one prisoner for two for one thousand is president of course had some dangerous consequences in regard to the future personally i think about it was not a smart decision to agree to such a deal i think we missed some better opportunities in the past five years but at least it shows that is the early public is extremely concerned about every specific person there especially about the person that as a uniform and he will send both of the country to defend the state and the country shows that we are ready to do almost anything in order to save him. and the but it might have some of the interest consequences that were in the long term it

was not necessarily a very smart decision let's take a look at one of the largest prisoner exchange deals in the middle east history spotlight in a to me the records. gilad shalit an israeli soldier was captured inside he's country by hamas militants more than five years ago he was kept hostage in gaza in exchange for his release almost demanded a would one thousand pounds the unions serve in prison sentences and these are the negotiations lingered as the two sides usenet leaders to broker the deal finally on the eighteenth of october show it was released on his first interview he sent people to do you would help please between israel and palestine i wanted the exchange itself is not altogether peaceful as israeli soldiers and palestinians waiting to greet released reason has clashed and the west bank this what more than a thousand prisoners for one soldier mains

a controversial issue for both sides the palestinians argue these really media and simple. over the world and much more appropriate by movie show you actually had done with the issue of more than seven thousand palestinian prisoners. terror attack victims in this row i shocked with the decision to release people who were responsible for the deaths of the israeli civilians. if israel proved capable to negotiate this deal that we've just heard about maybe it's time to continue we get she's in with hamas to commute also commerce. and the problem is not to negotiate with anyone the question is on what exactly you negotiate and israel i can tell you six is negotiating and we promise a lot of political arrangements because hamas is controlling guys which is in

a way almost a state and we have a border with gaza so we have a sort of southern relationship we cannot speak with hamas about political solution for the simple reason the canarsie is against any political solution and they clambered the only possible solution plebes really put us in the conflict is the elimination of the state of israel well those are the little to discuss as long as this is the position. can you say can you predict what will be israel's reaction when the u.n. general assembly will sooner or later this will happen recognizes the state of the house. is a little weird to say. as long as this is only a statement of the general assembly and it does not translate into protective action in the new u.n. security council it has very little meanings and the basic approach is to try to ignore it and as long as the palestinians don't do anything provocative against

a real israeli vital interest we're not going to respond but that i think that the countdown and started already to to publish time membership for membership in the u.n. don't you agree this will happen i think in a lighter i don't know depends very much not only on these early approach but also on the american accords and their fortunately some of the european companies do understand that their solution to these early polls in a conflict needs a really good she asian and not in the level of the season because this you know little decision by itself even if it is the collision does not solve any of the problems and naturally isil is not going to withdraw from these areas without a reasonable security security arranged. it's but in order to have such arrangements you have to negotiate if you don't negotiate we cannot take such measures sailing when. this well if this recognition happens how do you know or should we rather expect and you. have the west bank what would

you say i don't think so and in the past feel for the people who don't want to support something like this for many reasons most palestinians who live in the worst mood to enjoy to build better lives comparable were beheaded in the players and many of them are not going to socal fired for something of the dozens of of a little prospect of success and i think that most of them understand the them low that is a little cannot rebuttal from unless there is a real negotiation i hope that this beginning will recall condition and i persuade the palestinian the third team to agree to both negotiations with people in the. amazingly this is where we other i know the israeli prime minister says and i'm not presenting him i'm not talking or the government but he does say i'm ready to begin they can go shish and today we know preconditions well the palestinians say we're

wedded to me go but we do have to put conditions first for the seven member people please and more important you have to be clear in advance the you except for the borders will be a sort of borders well the prime minister said this as to be negotiable or cannot agree in advance to make a compromise will something but they're not on what i'm going to be given invalid. well. let's change the subject these railways this year have suddenly experienced a changed change of climate zone the world least you've been living in the so-called arab spring for the last well eight or nine even nine months. has been arab spring arab summer now arab autumn and still it is the arab spring well what i want to ask. this is it somehow change the position of israel in the region i mean the the events in around the country around israel unfortunately in the short term no don't play in the world this spring seems to be

much more like the winter is going to be something promising not only to us but also put the people to civilization let's pick about egypt for a few seconds are the people who protested in the streets of cairo or nine months ago they had a very clear expectations to see removal of mubarak this is something simple number two to enjoy real freedom and democracy and number three more important than anything else to enjoy better live better economy and what is the situation in egypt today. believe that of egypt is the former defense minister of so in a way this is the same system. not much more freedom is going to be given there is going to be an election to the parliament in which the islamic movement the muslim brother was able to take over and almost it was going to be elected to be the president is probably going to fail because the economic situation in egypt is

terrible and it is not going to be much better in the next four years so the people who expect to see you cannot make change today and i'd be very disappointed and if you ask me what is my prediction my prediction is that in a you go to the we'll be in another wave of them on a station that will be flexible for. station of the people and their engines or all around the region because specifically in india and then when this kind of for another demonstrations begin the muslim brotherhoods will come to the people and after being the probably the biggest part in the parliament there will say to the egyptian people we told you there is only one solution to your problem and this is islam and i tend to be a very slow mixed it with all the consequences not only in regard to is there a person to go to the young educated secular people of egypt all began this alliance in cote well i would say that really is is the solution to the economic

problems of these are but but returning hundreds of thousands of people to hard work instead there was three i think this is the main. i'm not saying that that is the answer but and saying that this is what the muslim blood of this is what we were there to tell that this is wrong isn't it it is wrong but we have had a very similar experience in iran only thirty two years ago very similar situation there was a corrupt liberal the people hated him they began a real democratic process. even chose a prime minister but the al but the muslims were much more organized. in a way too overt so we can see today in iran that those people who really wanted to change thirty two's ago are now left with a very extreme islamic regime so sometimes a little volution begin in one direction but the outcome is very different says a lot of former head of the israeli security council and senior research fellow of

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algren armin just a reminder my guest on the show today is euro a land former head of the israeli security council and senior research fellow at the institute in israel institute for national security studies. and we were talking about egypt about israeli relations with egypt but we saw a violent and israeli protest earlier this year we saw the israeli embassy in cairo in flames and well this was a very unfortunate thing for the relations between the two countries has this incident been settled by now are you all asians any better i mean official relations between the two countries the current official relationship between the israeli government and the current egyptian government is pretty good both of us understand that we do share mutual interest to stabilize the situation and we do understand some of the sensitivities so as long as this kind of discussions continue all those little reason to be concerned has asserted i'm not sure that

this regime in egypt will do the region able to use omar and if that then many things may change in the middle east has the israeli e.g. would border become were vulnerable what i want to ask is who is behind their acts of sabotage against his pipe right on the border d.d.l. any idea. it is very clear since this change in egypt the reason decrease in the influence and the control of the egyptians police the egyptian security agencies and it is all over egypt but the specifically in sinai which is not the most important area for egypt so this vacuum is used to the by certain groups from hamas people in gaza the go to sinai to other people smuggle weapons from libya or from somebody or other places and then finally there's a very. confortable area to begin to conduct with the. regions against his will we

have to pick certain missiles that we did not take all the where we could more rely on the gyptian but i don't think but this way itself isn't it mr surgical. worry does it bother israel that the located of the gaza strip from the egyptian side was east of that there's never been a real blockade from egypt inside in the past over thirty five years is this a little bit lot from goes are huge quantities so where prince have been smuggled from egypt to go we've been egyptian a assistance or without the egyptian assistance in the end of the day goes a become to be of early. that is armed with a very advanced weapons this is typical for ever we face we face the pingers we face a very similar situation and visibly lebannon will hizbullah is a strong will burn fully is a managed to create that loose ineffective determiners so for the time being the

situation is under you know i like interviewing politicians from israel because they're pretty straightforward usually they're they're pretty frank in what they say can you tell me frankly what's easier for israel to deal with democratically elected governments in the neighboring country or to deal with predictable dictators that are in changeable for decades. the best of course is to negotiate if we could in democracy but for the time being we cannot see any real democracy in the region let's take syria for example and those not secure that bashar assad is a one of our biggest enemies in supporting because it allows a good friend of your gun and syria official is perceived to be an enemy of israel but to certain extent you manage to control the border so the border between israel and syria is the libyan leader so it is there is someone who is accountable here for the shots that goes to mobile and i think that he will go to normal and from

the moral point of view or opinion that we should go because he is doing an acceptable things freeze on people. can you tell me what will be the outcome the outcome could be very different it could be from needed only on takeover of syria it could be this be a muslim blood or was that the very strong in syria too will take over and will consist will construct a very anti israeli government or syria can. be. divided into different areas and even the stability of the syria head in the per thirty or forty years will go so at least in the show plan this kind of change create a lot of course concerns and even if in the end of the there will be a real democratic states in the other world just as it has been will be a long day it will be learned there just as it happened in their western europe and then in this the mule opened them in south america it is a process that takes years and before we hear prince we have good reasons to be

concerned because we live in this is a so as you said as you said for example the pressure as it should go but this is not in here in the immediate practical interest of your country no not saying that i can tell you that a little secret that seventy years ago on the world some ideas in these were to try to help those who wanted to move bashar assad and some of them serve worley is a very bad person why don't we support the removal of such a bad person and these early prime minister the french are on the side of the not the liberty of his nobel business to interfere but he also said that he was not sure what is the real is really interest because we did none of us know who might to succeed but if it goes so fortunately we do have a lot of other problems fortunately we have the privilege of not being part of the game that is played around us we are not interfering in any place legally in egypt

nor in syria and all in and other places hopefully that is. the end of the burger will be read marcus's in this through in this company is something i cannot see in the near future mr ireland we saw washington pretty happy over the death of khadafi was his death good news for for israel for official israel. the reason very little influence. of the situation in libya on any kind of easily interest saw in this case we could observe the situation in libya from distance and i think that the majority of the people in israel are we're very happy with the end of khadafi now because this is our interest but because it is it was a bedouin called person and hopefully will bring a change a positive change to his own people so. you know when i want to talk about your relations with turkey as we remember they were destroyed well if not destroyed but

but but really much harmed by by the israel's raid against the the fratelli and the gaza for tell you now do you think that israel is trying today. to really improve the relations with this country the favorite is at least trying to do whatever we can in order to improve the relationship there was an out there to interpret few days ago we've been over those sisters that was rejected by the turks. this is not our decision. is the most successful domestically in turkey made a slippage of decision to become to be the leader of this long week war that would please this world in order to gain much more support in syria lebannon palestinian arena egypt and elsewhere yes very started to tell of you know exactly the best and the most. i would say promising action that we can take is to be against israel

because it will never take actions against israel and it includes your popular d. and he's ready to settle for a delicious ship with israel for something but for him is more important soviet union tried it in the seventy's it did work. but it is different in the sense that even believes that he can be believed though that can take over the traditional of countries like egypt saudi arabia and others the sum of the power of diminishing so you believe that it will be built real islam weekly bill and all the problems with the philippines and others were only excuses the were used by him you know the tell you were delusion she probably is there because this is the project. you mentioned you mentioned the transformation. the regimes are to the revolution after the arab spring you said that that maybe by the end of the day which will be a long day there may be real democracy because now they may go the other way not

the way that the revolution was proclaiming i am the slogans is that. i fear are very early and islam is a show in the region radical islam coming to syria israel. another this is a concern actually as two wings there is the iranian wing which is more cheers ring and iran is trying to not only to be all stirred to is a but also to export what they called the one of evolution personable successful in lebanon lebanon is for all practical purposes is controlled by your own proxy isabella and at the same time the muslim brother was in egypt in the some other companies trying to create again a different birth additional islamic movements. that can be moderate on one hand but can be much more extreme but we're never israel is concerned even the moderate

muslims are against islam so you cannot feel any islamic legal nonmetal are more duties that can say simply that well as the right to exist as a jew stick to additionally we live just in the you cannot accept it so its limitation of the middle east is bad for is a little and since we are looking at the we have good reasons to be concerned and you are really afraid of that i mean this is a threat to your country and military thread after thread to to to to the existence of your country all right now you just are concerned or are you afraid this is a difference you know what we are not afraid we trust enough in our father problems in our puzzle we are not afraid but we are concerned but i will give you an example we do have a peace agreement with egypt this preserve game and give is a lot of benefits and one of them there was an economic benefit because israel could because it is the mud tickly the size of the defense budget since the day that we signed a peace agreement with egypt so the size of the defense budget that was thirty

percent of the g.d.p. only thirty five years ago now is only six percent and we could do it thanks to the good relationship with egypt if it changes who knows what the consequences thank you thank you very much for this interview and just to remind you that my guest for the show was your. former head of the israeli security council and now senior research fellow at the israeli hen's teeth for national security standards and that's it for now from power so if you want to have your sales pipeline or have some of the month you think i should thank you next time just drop me a live album or patch. are you and let's keep the show intra party i will be back with more free time comments on what's going on out and so then they have our take and take.

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