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at how dealing with being surrounded by arab spring uprisings as talks of the country's former security chief that's next here in our chief. hello again oh welcome to spotlight the interview cheryl our take i'll bring our then to my guest on the program is. his real self the unrest in the middle east didn't harm tell of them but the arab spring has inspired many palestinians to step up the fight for independence and israel's closest neighbors syria and egypt are still in turkey so how does the jewish state cope with the revolutionary spirit within and outside its borders we're asking the former head of the israeli security council and senior research fellow at the institute for national security studies

in. although the arab spring didn't affect israel directly it's complicated jerusalem relations with its neighbors the former egyptian leader hosni mubarak was the jewish state staunch ally for three decades but after he got overthrown a long simmering hostility against israel has burst into the open. but israel shows he's ready to talk just days ago in jerusalem managed to bring back its soldier from the palestinian captivity in return for more than a thousand hours. together thank you thank you very much for being with us first of all i'd like to ask you about this exchange of more than a thousand palestinian prisoners for one captured israeli soldier charlie. it's a controversial matter everybody welcomes it but some say it's

a concession to hamas on the part of israel how would you comment on. well it was a controversial matter really is a little bit because this proposal of one prisoner for two for one club and is president of course it does then just consequences i'm going to go to the future personally i think that it was not a small decision to agree to such a deal i think that we missed some vital approaching with this in the past five years but at least it shows the israeli public is extremely concerned about every specific person. especially about the person that has a uniform and that he was sent by the country to defend the state and the country shows that we are ready to do a last anything in order to save him. and there but it might have some than just consequences that's why i think that in the long term it was not necessarily very

small the sense of let's take a look at one of the largest prisoner change deals in the middle east history spotlights even in the media reports. gilad shalit and israeli soldier was captured inside he's country by hamas militants more than five years ago he was totally changed gaza in exchange for his release last demanded one thousand palestinians serving prison sentences and these are the negotiations lingered as the two sides used mediators to broker the deal finally on the eighteenth of october show that was released on his first interview he said to do you would help ease between israel and palestine i want with the exchange itself is not altogether peaceful this israeli soldiers and palestinians waiting to greet released reasoners clashed the west bank a small of more than a thousand prisoners for one soldier means

a controversial issue for both sides the palestinians argue these really media and simple. oh no the world were much more preoccupied with the you watch you read and really sure of more than one thousand palestinian prisoners. terror attack victims in this room i shocked this isn't to release people who are responsible it's only israeli civilians. detail if israel proved capable to negotiate this deal that we just heard about maybe it's time to continue we get cheating with hamas took a new talks with commerce and the problem is not to negotiate with anyone the question is on what exactly you negotiate and israel i can tell you those six israel is negotiating with hamas and a lot of political arrangements because hamas is controlling gaza which is in a way almost to stay and we have a border with gaza so we have

a sort of southern relationship we cannot speak with hamas about political solution for the simple reason that commerce is against any political solution and they clambered the only possible solution to the israeli palestinian conflict is the elimination of the state of israel so those are very little to discuss as long as this is the position. can you say can you predict what will be israel's reaction when the u.n. general assembly will sooner or later this will happen recognizes the state of palestine. is all of this. as long as this is only a statement of the general assembly and it does not translate the two protective action in view your and security council it has very little meanings and the basic approach is to try to ignore it and as long as the palestinians don't do anything provocative against the real is really vital interest we are not going to respond

but i think that the countdown has started already to to cut the time membership for membership in the un there don't you agree that this will happen i think in a lighter i don't know depends very much not only on leisurely approach but also on the american record turned there fortunately some of the european countries do understand that their solution produces a little similar conflict needs a really good she ocean and not in the level decision because this in the local decision by itself even if it is the liberation does not solve any of the problems and naturally isil is not going to withdraw from these areas we thought of used to build secure security arrangements i know that to have such arrangements you have to negotiate if you don't negotiate we cannot take such measures sale and when this well if this recognition happens do you there or should we rather expect and you

intifada the west bank what would you say i don't think so. you repeatedly said that they don't want to support something we do this for many reasons most palestinians who live in the worst way can enjoy today but a large compared to were beheaded in the past and many of them are not going to circle fired for something of the dozen of the real prospect of success and i think that most of them understand the than loathsome fizzle cannot rebuild from unless there is the real negotiation i hope this beginning will record mission my chris. well the palestinian authority to greed to go to negotiations with no preconditions amazingly and this is where we are very busily prime minister says and i'm not a prisoner given i'm not will you know the government but he does say i'm ready to begin both negotiation to do we not preconditions well the police say we're ready to negotiate but we do have to plead conditions first for the certain number of

people and more important you have to declare in advance that you accept for the baubles will be a serpent balders well the prime minister said this as to be negotiable or cannot agree in advance to make compromises will something but they're not all like i'm going to be given into the. well. let's change the subject to these really is this you have suddenly experienced a changed change of climate zone the world least you've been living in the so-called arab spring for the last well eight or ninety nine months. has been arab spring arab summer now arab autumn and still it is the arab spring well what i want to ask. does it somehow change the position of israel in the region i mean the the events in around the country around israel unfortunately in the show that i know don't play in the world this spring seems to be much more

like the winter is going to be something promising not only to us but also to the people really going to sort of a listen i'll speak about egypt for a few seconds but people protested in the streets of cairo or nine months ago or. they had a very clear expectations to see it in a movie the from above of this and something simple number two to enjoy it in freedom and i did them all can see and number three in more important than anything else to enjoy better live better economy now what is the situation in egypt today. the leader of egypt is the former defense minister of above so in a way this is the same system. not much more freedom is going to be given there is going to be an election to the parliament in which the islamic movement the muslim brotherhoods will take over enormous that was going to be elected to be depressive then is probably going to fail because the konami the situation in egypt is

terrible in that is not going to be much of a good news for years so the people who expect to see the economy change to be made be very disappointed and if you ask me what is my prediction my prediction is that in the you were true there will be in another wave of them on the station but one of the flick of the for station of the people and their internet or all around the region because specifically in egypt and then when this scandal for another demonstrations begin the muslim brotherhoods will come to the people and after the being of the probably the biggest part in the parliament there was said to the egyptian people we told you there is only one solution to your problem and this is islam so my term to be a very islamic state with all the consequences not only in regard to lose the person who go probably young educators say to the people of egypt will be gunned this alliance in cobol i would say did not really is is the solution to the

economic problems of these inputs but returning hundreds of thousands of people to work instead there was three i think this is the length of. saying that it is the us about and saying that this is about the birth of the muslim brother this is what we were there. to tell that this is wrong isn't it it is wrong but we had a very similar experience in iran only thirty two years ago very similar situation there was a corrupted liberal the people hated him they'd begun a real democratic process. even chose a prime minister but the but the muslims were much more organized. in a way too overt so we can see today me that those people who really wanted to change thirty two's ago are now left with a very extreme islamic regime so sometimes sort of loose and begin in one direction but the outcome is very different says a land former head of the israeli security council and senior research fellow of

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welcome back to spotlight i'm just a reminder my guest on the show today is euro a land former head of the israeli security council and senior research fellow at the institute in israel institute for national security studies. and we were talking about egypt about israeli relations with egypt but we saw a violent ten time is really protests earlier this year we saw the israeli embassy in cairo in flames a well this was a very unfortunate thing for the relations between the two countries this incident

been settled by and. it better i mean official relations between the two countries become professional relationship between the israeli government and the current the gyptian government is pretty good both of us understand that we do share mutual interest to stabilize the situation we do understand some of those sensitivities so as long as this kind of discussions continue there is little reason to be concerned as a said i'm not sure that this regime in egypt will be the regime evil to use will mark any for better than many things might change in the middle east has the israeli border become we're vulnerable and what i want to ask is who was behind the acts of sabotage against his pipe why didn't the board in the d.m.v. area. it is very clear that since this change in egypt the reason the crees in the influence and the control of the egyptians their police the egyptian security agencies it is all over egypt but the specifically in sinai which

is not the most important area for egypt so this vacuum is used today by certain groups from hamas people in gaza to go to sinai to other people smuggling weapons from libya for or other places and then find it is a very. comfortable area to begin to conduct operations against these little we have to take certain measures that we did not take all the where we could more rely on the gyptian but i don't think but this by itself is obvious the project that there is that there's worry there's a bar there is real bad the located of the gaza strip from the egyptian side was ease that it has never been a real blockade from the egyptian side in the past i would say five years says these little people from goes are huge quantities of weapons have been smuggled from egypt to go with an egyptian a sisters or without as you can assistance in the. of the day girls have become to

be of early. that is armed with a very advanced weapons this is typical for that we face with discipline guys we face a very similar situation visibly lebannon will hizbullah is a strong girl and fully isn't managed to create that loose ineffective determiners so for the time being the situation is under control you know i like interviewing politicians from israel because they're pretty straightforward usually they're they're pretty frank in what they say can you tell me frankly what's easier for israel to deal with democratically elected governments in the neighboring countries or to deal with predictable dictators that are unchangeable for decades the best of course is to negotiate with a little democracy but for the time being cannot see in a real democracy in syria for example those not secure but bashar assad is the one

of our biggest enemies is support but friend of your son syria official is perceived to be an enemy of israel but to certain extent you manage to control the borders of the border between israel and syria is the plan so it leaves there is someone who is accountable if bashar assad goes to the will and hoping that he will go to war and from the moral point of view of being but he should go because he's doing a mix of the one thing squeeze on people. can you tell me what will be the outcome the outcome could be very different it could be from any of the knee and take all the if syria it could be this their muslim brother was that the very strong in syria too will take over and will consist will construct let's say very anti israeli government also you can. can be. divided into different areas and even the stability you that syria had in the

thirty or forty years will go so at least in the short run this kind of change create a lot of course concerns and even if in the end of the there will be a real democratic state in the other world just as he picked in that year long date there just as it happened in their western europe and then in this them you will burn them in south america it is a process that takes years and before we we have good reasons to be concerned because we live in these things are so so as you said as you said for example the pressure as it should go but this is not in here in the immediate practical interest of your country not singular i can tell you. a little secret that seventy years ago on the worst ideas in his words to try to help those who wanted to remove bashar assad and some of them say worley is a very bad person why don't we support any move or look such a bad person and these early prime minister the prime sharon decided not only that

it is not our business to interfere but he also said that he was not sure what is the real is really interest because we did none of us know who might to do succeed but if he goes so fortunately we do have a lot of other problems fortunately we have the privilege of not being part of the game that is played around us we are not interfering in any place leader in egypt nor in syrian will in another place hopefully that the. the end of the there will be ribbon local seas and this through in this company some people i cannot see in the french style and we saw washington pretty happy over the death of khadafi was his death good news for for israel for sure. the reason very little influence. of the situation in libya on any kind of easily interest saw in this case we could observe the situation in libya from distance and

i think the majority of the people in israel the world very happy with the end of combat very well because this is all going to as well because it is it was a bad and cruel person and hopefully it will bring a change a positive change to his own people so. you know when i want to talk about your relations with turkey as we remember they were destroyed what if not destroyed but but but really much harmed by by the israelis raid against the the for the telly on the gaza flotilla now do you think that israel is trying today to to to really improve the relations with this country i think that is a list trying to do whatever we can in order to improve the relationship there was a can turn a few days ago we've been over those sisters that was rejected by the turks. this is not our decision mr or is those successful domestically in turkey where the

stoppage of decision to become to be the leader of this slummy quarterlies this world and in order to gain much more support in syria lebannon palestinian arena egypt and elsewhere yes very much doubt it a television exactly the best and the most. i would say promising action but you can take is to be against because whenever you take actions against israel it increases your popularity and he's ready to circle for the relationship with israel for something that for him is more important soviet union tried it in the seventy's it did work. but it is different in the sense that even lives that you can be believed bill that can take over the traditional role of countries like egypt sabia been others the some of the power diminishing so you believe that it will be the real islam we will. all the problems with and others were

only excuses that were used by him and you know the area where division lucian she put is there because this is the third project. you mentioned you mentioned the transformation of the regimes after the revolution after the arab spring you said that maybe by the end of the day which will be a long day there may be real democracy because now they may go the other way not the way that the revolution was proclaiming in the slogans is that. i fear are very early and islam is ation of the region of radical islam coming to to surround israel another that this is a concern actually as two wings there is the iranian wing which is not cheers remain and. is trying to not only to be known to is a but also to export what they called the iranian revolution personable successful in lebanon lebanon is for all practical purposes is controlled but you know on its

proxy it is build up and at the same time the muslim brotherhood was in egypt in the some other companies are planning to create again it different but the additional islamic movements. that can be moderate on one hand but can be much more extreme but we're never isil is concerned even the moderate muslims are against islam so you cannot feel any islamic leader no matter our more duties that can say simply well as the right to exist as a jewish state called additionally all religious lee you cannot accept it so slim ization of the middle east is bad for israel and since we're located we have good reasons to be concerned and you are really afraid of that i mean this is a threat to your country a military threat a threat threat to to to to the existence of your country to what you just are concerned or you are you afraid this is a difference you know we are not afraid we trust enough in our father problems in

our puzzle we are not afraid but we are concerned but i'll give you an example we do have a peace agreement this preserve game and give is a lot of benefits none of them there was an economic benefit because israel could decrease dramatically the size of the defense budget since the day that we signed a peace agreement with egypt so the size of the defense budget that was thirty percent of the g.d.p. only thirty five years ago now is only six percent and we could do it thanks to be good relationship with egypt if it changes well knows what are the consequences thank you thank you very much for this interview and just to remind you that my guest on the show was. former head of the israeli security council and now senior research fellow at the israeli institute for national security standards and that's it for now trump all of us here if you want to have your sales pipeline where somebody wants you to think i think for the next five years drop me

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