god it's a tactical victory for the occupy movement this as protesters in oakland take back their square defending themselves from the tear gas and stun guns and from those very same police that attacked in iraq war veteran. that better should be fired put up by the. strong words of for strong emotions and support a fellow military officer supporting not only the severely injured marine of the occupy wall street protests as a whole and he is not alone so as those who fight abroad join this fight at home will anything change the factor here for you a third person you are joining us shows that they recognize that this is an american it's not about using the negative stereotypes so now that those who serve in the u.s. military are getting involved with the movement will mainstream media especially fox news finally ditched the protester name calling. and as protests spread and

occupy wall street reaches an important junction what's next for the growing crowds . it is thursday october twenty seventh four pm in washington d.c. i'm christine and you are watching r t well our top story this hour outrage and frustration at the latest turn of events in the occupy wall street movement that is apparently resulting in more support in strength and numbers for the movement i'm talking of course about what happened over the past few days in oakland california first on tuesday a very early morning police raid the part proposed testers have been camping out riot police used tear gas to clear the crowds and proceeded to stomp on tents and people's personal belongings then arresting nearly one hundred people. later in the

day protesters returned to reclaim their space just outside of city hall and were met with an even more violent barrage of police these pictures are being seen around the world of scott olsen a military veteran who served two tours in iraq he was carried away from the scene with a fractured school and brain swelling from a blunt force trauma possibly from an exploding tear gas canister. these pictures are perhaps one reason police decided to leave last night you could call it a tactical victory for protesters who were also given support from oakland's mayor she had early earlier praised the police for their response now she says the police presence should be kept at a minimum. especially scott olsen sparked anger from so many people including fellow veterans take a look at this picture this is a photo of marine corps sergeant j.j. until holding up a picture of also and a sign that says you did this to my brother several people wrote in with comments and i want to share a few euthenasia writes

a fellow veteran here as well that's our effin brother i didn't stomp around in the you know what to come home and watch my brothers spit on like this. and one key pro says when someone attacks u.s. marine who are very much my family i will stand and i will fight to protect them because they did the same for me and asked nothing in return and love and live in comments oakland just woke up a sleeping dog or a dog the police need to protect them the police are supposed to be that dog instead they bite their owner looks like they woke up the big dogs we need you we have reached a tipping point the numbers of people joining throughout the u.s. have been skyrocketing and we want to take a deeper look now into the changing faces of this movement and how it's changing the movement itself argues on a star theater going to take a look at events from the last several days. america's autumn pieces covered up protesters from tear gas shot into the crowd by police i miss ninety seven arrests

in oakland california. on tuesday night. to four year old marine and iraq war veteran scott olsen shot in the head by a police tear gas canister unable to even see his name. he's now in critical condition. at a march of solidarity with the protesters in new york leads to ten arrests. protesters slammed into the ground and netted by police earlier in another marine confronts police treatment of protesters in a video now gone viral on the web. you. know you hate those who risk their lives for america now part of the uprising marines and others who serve the u.s. go public in their fight for the occupy wall street cause let's find out what this means for them the fact that more and more personnel of joining us shows that they

recognize that this is an american movement it's not about hippies in a negative stereotype thirty year old gary briggs has served in the national guard for the last two years he's spending his short vacation at occupy wall street guys marines national guard maybe ceo's. yan more the better a guardsman is outraged at the fact that marines are getting attacked at home but caught that better should be fired and hung up by the balls. others here believe it won't be long however until the police join the crowds instead of restricting that because. this is protesting. and they're going to see that. zero but even if this doesn't happen the movement won't be scared to wait any time soon but marines and other military vets pledges to. how the protesters back. with everybody has been and it's gathered in the room that's being created here

no sword will cause an associate churkin o r t. so we want to remind people there are major movements going on around the country even around the world today and much much more expected for the coming days as many cities are now calling for a general strike and mass day of action that's scheduled for november second but i want to talk about what's going on from a broader perspective here and joining me now to help me get a sense of all of this is author david sirota he is the author of back to our future how the one nine hundred eighty s. explore explain the world we live in now. and they would you also recently wrote about the occupy movements in a piece that you called the choice between democracy and the talk or c. and you sort of write in jest and compare the governor of colorado where you are john hickenlooper to someone who governs as a monarch in medieval times you made the same comparisons to new york mayor michael bloomberg i'm wondering though i mean don't these elected leaders have

a responsibility to keep their so-called kingdoms safe. well they do they certainly do but the last i checked these were peaceful protests i don't think you can speak obviously for the entire movement this there's thousands tens of thousands of people and so what the critics of this movement would try to do is to point out the individual behaviors of a few to try to slander the entire movement but by and large most reports suggest that this movement has been almost entirely peaceful and what we've seen across the country since the initial crackdown here in colorado and a governor here by calling his majesty in jest but tongue in cheek he said that his the cloying of the police on the protesters outside of the state capital would serve as a model for other cities to follow now i certainly don't blame the governor of colorado or the mayor of denver for what happened in oakland but clearly the governor of colorado was right that this is the way the establishment is responding

to peaceful mass protests it is responding with police force i guess i'm sure the eyes and ears of colorado for as a you know we haven't really paid too much attention to denver and surrounding areas since all that happened what's going on there how the protesters come back or has his majesty gotten his way well the. mayor of denver has said it can't be any overnight occupation of city parks so basically what we've seen is both the state government and the city government try to essentially say that it's illegal to do for these protests to continue in an occupational fashion now legally there's this question about what is protest what is camping this city and the state are citing and camping laws the protesters are citing their first amendment rights to peaceably assemble a person then it doesn't say you can peaceably assemble only between the hours of nine am and eleven pm it says you have the right to peaceably assemble so legally

that's the question for the civil liberties i think what the governor and the mayor have done here in colorado and what i suspect. what happened elsewhere like in places like oakland and places like new york is that the stronger the forcible response five establishment the stronger the movement will get and the larger the protest will become in fact that the couple days after the governor here initially cracked down on the protesters deployed police on the protesters over the weekend it was a massive protest that massive march through downtown denver we certainly saw that in new york as well i remember i think it was the second weekend when those seven hundred protesters were arrested on the brooklyn bridge and the movement just games so much strength after that and yesterday i was here at occupy d.c. down affairs and square and i was kind of listening to some of the conversations people were having and there was one conversation between a couple of the occupiers about police brutality here in the theater been pretty peaceful with police but in talking about oakland and denver some of the protesters they were young black men they said police being violent is nothing it said it's

just more exposed now that some of the victims are actually you know white college students or veterans i wonder what you think about this do you think that this is new or do you think that these occupy movements are simply exposing some parts of the system that have been in place on the line but i think the people you talk to are exactly right i mean there's certainly been a long history in this country of police brutality against people of color and we have a long history unfortunately in this country where political movements are only seen as losers when they start affecting the middle class a disproportionately white middle class where indeed during the vietnam war the protests only really started to gain media traction when the draft started impacting not just the poorest of the poor but also the white middle class so there's not only a history of what i what i would say to the larger question of why is the reaction been so intense i think it's because this movement is fundamentally challenging a political establishment a base of power it's

a legitimacy in the sense that most of the people in office. who are deploying book police against these protesters are people who represent the wealthiest most powerful people in this country the governor of colorado the mayor of denver these are people who were elected with huge amounts of money from the richest people in the state and in this country and they are expected on behalf of their donors to try to stop in their tracks this kind of protest that was our own governor going to go back to colorado where he said his biggest fear was that this is something it would catch on those are hugh's words so i think the reason you've seen such a swift reaction is because those in power realize it is asking ponder mental taboo questions and the establishment does not want to ask i think it's really interesting that you say that i know when i was watching some of the footage from oakland when it first happened some of those protesters there were saying you know police are the ninety nine percent but they're acting like the one percent you know you talk about the governor of colorado the mayor of denver it seems to me that most politicians in this country from even very small levels it does it takes

a lot of money to get elected in this country with with very few exceptions to this rule so i don't think it's just denver but i want to get your perspective on sort of the differences between the city certainly in new york we did see mayor michael bloomberg actually change his mind he told the protesters they were going to have to stay in there and have the leaves in part for cleaning. and letting them stay that wasn't the case at first with oakland and now those police are backing down and as you tell us that's not how it's happening in denver i'm wondering what you think about you know sort of the different locations and how they affect the police reaction you know there's a very early even reaction to look up in albany new york we saw the governor order the police and the mayor there ordered the police to. disperse the crowd and the police actually refused to follow the order fearing that it would end up causing a riot so the response has been very i'm eager and i think politicians who have

been specially this generation of politicians who have to deal with this are unlikely to. politicians who perhaps experienced the one nine hundred sixty s. they're not exactly sure how to use the police in a proper way and i think the police officials themselves are asking these questions the bottom line is the more the response to police brutality is larger she's for protests and more and i think we're going to see a maybe this is optimistic a change in posture it's not to say that the legitimacy of the movement won't be won't be challenged by an establishment but as a person interested challenging the legitimacy challenging it in the public sphere but i sense that no politician wants to be in the position for instance of say the mayor of a. very very important point we were talking a little bit earlier in this newscast about sort of the changing faces of occupy

wall street. with so many veterans especially coming out in light of what happened in oakland so i want to talk to you real briefly about media coverage i'm not certain what you've been watching or reading but there is one cable network that certainly seems to make it very clear that i want to and they support the wars the military and our troops i'm talking of course about fox news yet i want to play what they continually say about the occupy wall street protests take a listen it is a classic mob uprising it's utterly incoherent they're always left away. and completely destructive we had all kinds of crackers down there what are we doing with iraq had their thought because they'll say you can't make this stuff up they're passing out free condoms there's been open sex going on there are drugs easy to score they are certainly unified they're certainly who are data and they have the behind writing these are motherly kids and aging hippies out there they hate corporations they hate capitalism and in the end ultimately they want statism

over free markets so they really don't like freedom. and members of the drug use there is freedom hater is on but do you think that now that more military people are coming on board that fox has reaction it is going to have to change or do you think they're just going to continue with this perspective about the occupy wall street protesters no i don't think it's going to change that look this is a this is an all time script this is a script from richard nixon so if you're a richard nixon during the vietnam war protests and many people forget many of the protesters were military veterans who had come home from that war richard nixon script from that era was to try to deflect attention from the message and vilified the antiwar messengers make the protesters themselves the issue so they thought is going to double down to conservative movement is going to double down but in this case i don't think it's going to work because there's a fundamental difference between that tactic there nixon's era and the war and today during the nixon era we were talking about

a war which fundamentally inherently brings up questions about supporting the troops about patriotism about nationalism and there's a there's a very individual personal quality to those questions this movement by contrast is against faceless corporations who are among the most unpopular institutions across party lines by the way of any institutions in society so i think trying to change your divert attention from the message and put it on the messenger negates how powerful the message really is and take it back even further david to post world war one one of the occupations that often cited here in washington d.c. when a members of the bonus army came and camped out because they wanted to collect their bonuses that were due to them and instead they were greeted by police and military people on horseback coming in and setting their heads on fire tearing down their tents certainly another example of history repeating itself so it's real quick

david on a lot of the i've been hearing recently troy davis' name come up this is of course . yes the the man from savannah who was convicted of killing a police officer in savannah georgia evidence against him was taken out taken back just a few years ago and he ended up being executed anyway a lot of people who came to protest in support of troy davis and it up sort of getting on the bandwagon with the occupy wall street his name is starting to come up again just seeing some of the unjust things some of the unfair things that are happening i'm wondering what you think how you think this movement evolves next well ok i think it's not surprising that a lot of these different strands are coming together i mean there's a feeling in the country that the government is out of control the government doesn't serve we've got people the government serves at the very elite that do the basic definition of oligarchy government by the few the powerful and the wealthy and i think got cut cuts across all different issues i think that's why this is

really potentially so powerful where it goes from here it's hard to say age really really hard to say i think if the economy doesn't. recover and our politicians don't put in place the policies that are serious about having the economy recover and in a way that shares the prosperity that's the key point i think this group is only going to grow with you call occupy wall street or something else later on after and david sirota thanks so much for joining us thank you. so how you're on our team a greek tragedy may be coming to an end this as new leaders reach a daily deal on bailout funds but no matter what the outcome is the greek people people are taking matters into their own hands coming up with creative ways to cope with their economic world. was created to believe

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a global mission would see where we had a state controlled capitalism. satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more. well to europe now some big news out of greece where investors agreed to a fifty percent haircut on greek bonds and athens will also be given a one hundred billion euro bailout early next year and this is perceived by many as a great news but our own max kaiser says it's important to look at the whole picture the plan is to create a one trillion euro slush fund and not write off fifty percent of greek that misperception is simply going to move it around the fraudulent balance sheets that are being organized to operate together it's a problem that they're going to cure by adding more debt let's just have the

terrorists run the world economy they're doing a fantastic job you the more wealth with the best financial destruction give them more debt it's absurd your very full financial catastrophe by letting these charlatans pose these theories that every day to a debt problem to increase the building that's insane. and with all the trouble nice things are cause there are some in greece who have chosen to go back to basics and return to the way things were before the money problems again are to correspondent sara firth is in athens and has this report they say that time is money the for a country where cash is now in short supply time has taken on a whole different value. change montreux services sometimes a given place in lessons for free but they take your gun for free also some of. the time banks just one of a growing number of service swapping alternatives that are providing people in greece another way to cope with the tough economic conditions services killing

create anything from language classes to babysitting or home cooked meals it's huge everything we do without. looking after people are making things by ourselves for a country in crisis building social unity can freak extremely high prices a terrible thing it creates fear it bites. from public sector workers from private sector workers who provide richer workers to poor workers immigrant workers from home workers and that's a terrible thing. the party networks have a great way of bringing together large groups of people a popular slogan here in greece now is no one's alone in the crisis is asians arranging swap shops to exchange clothes one town increases even started its own party currency we still have a memory of a cultural society in greece where people used to do things together like they

would be i'll have three of my family this week and then next week we go the olive trees of your family and then the next week of the other neighbor so they would exchange services and the like that he gives me and her friend alexandra he's also a member of the time bank and lesson one of the three services she provides well in exchange alexandra helps out with the gardening so the time is repaid it's an amazing way. of receiving finally by giving to the other as many greeks struggle with wage cuts tax increases and with unemployment in the country now cripplingly high there's been huge interest in the time banks and networks this places in the latins caves of arts and materials it's no wonder really that this idea of swapping gets in services has proven so popular it's building so that there is

a time when economic situation extremely uncertain. these bars networks won't solve greece's financial problems they do provide a massive amount of support for the participants it's not a response to the konami crisis in the sense that it's going to return to god but it's giving support and comfort to both like to. the terrible economic policies that are being posed by the troika it's giving people support to feel that they can do some. with the tough economic times leaving many greeks feeling worthless there is real value in projects like the time bank and with the greek government drowning in debt these creative solutions are offering support but encouragement for the people here which is a time of deep recession proving priceless commodities so i see athens and as we've been talking about in europe has reached

a bailout deal of the discussion does not end here up next on r.t. u.s. stocks are soaring but are the banks in the clear lauren let's talk lauren lyster will dive into all of this and more up next on the capital account and that does it for now for us but for more on the stories we covered go r.t. dot com slash usa check out our you tube page youtube dot com slash r.t. america you can also follow me on twitter i'm at i'm christine freeze out again the capital counters up next and we'll be back after that.

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