was a tactical victory for the occupy movement business protesters in oakland take back their square and themselves from the tear gas and stun guns and those very same police that attacked an iraq war veteran. from that this should be fired up by. strong words for strong emotions and support a fellow military officer supporting not only this severely injured marine but the occupy wall street protests as a whole and he is not alone so as those who fight abroad join this fight at home will anything change the fact that you are cured first to go and join us shows at the record it's but this isn't america it's not about the negative stereotypes so now that those who serve in the u.s. military are getting involved with the movement will mainstream media specifically fox finally ditched the protester name calling. but despite some of the negative

reporting from mainstream media the movement continues to spread from coast to coast this as protesters try to clean up america's mess fighting against corporate greed and those in the one percent but how does this movement fix what it says is broken or have peter joseph founder of the guys with his solution. it is thursday october twenty seventh five pm in washington d.c. i'm christine for are watching our team our top story this hour outrage and frustration at the latest turn of events in the occupy wall street movement is apparently resulting in more support and strength in numbers for the movement i'm talking of course about what happened in oakland over the fact has few days first on tuesday an early morning police raid on the park. the protesters had been

camping out for two weeks riot police used tear gas to clear the crowds and proceeded to stomp on tents and people's personal belongings and arrested nearly one hundred people later in the day protesters returned to reclaim their space just outside of city hall and were met with an even more violent garage of police these pictures beams the around the world now of scott olsen a military veteran who served two tours in iraq he was carried away with a fractured skull and brain swelling from blunt force trauma possibly from an exploding tear gas canister these pictures are perhaps one reason police decided to leave last night perhaps you could call it a tactical victory for protesters who were also given support from oakland's mayor mayor had earlier praised police for their response mel says the police presence should be kept at a minimum pictures of scott olsen sparked anger from so many people including fellow veterans take a look at this picture this is a photo of marine corps sergeant holding up a picture of all seven and

a sign that says you did this to my brother several people wrote in with comments and i want to share a few euthanasia rights fellow veteran here as well that's our effing brother i didn't stumble around in the you know what to come home and watch my brothers spit on like this and one key pro says when it comes when someone attacks a u.s. marine who are everyone my family i will stand and i will fight to protect them because they did the same for me and asked nothing in return. and a loving livin comments oakland just woke up a sleeping dog a dog people need to protect them but people are supposed to be the police rather are supposed to be that dog instead they bite their owner looks like they woke up the big dogs are means we need you we have reached a tipping point the numbers of people joining throughout the u.s. have been skyrocketing and we want to take a deeper look now into the changing faces of this movement and how it's changing

the movement itself actually on a starting pitcher going to take a look at the events from the last several days. america's autumn faces covered up to chester's from tear gas shot into the crowd by police i miss ninety seven arrests an old one to california. on tuesday night. to four year old marine and iraq war veteran scott olsen shot in the head by a police tear gas canister unable to even see his name. he's now in critical condition. at a march of solidarity with the open protesters in new york leads to ten arrests. protesters slammed into the ground and netted by police earlier in another marine confronts police treatment of protesters in a video now gone viral on the web. if you think those who risk their lives for america now part of the uprising marines

and others who serve the u.s. go public in their fight for the occupy wall street because let's find out what this means for them the fact that more and more military personnel are joining us shows that they recognize that this is an american movement it's not about hippies in a negative stereotype thirty year old gary briggs has served in the national guard for the last ten years he's spending his short vacation at occupy wall street just marines national guard maybe studios. there and more the better a guardsman is outraged at the fact that marines are getting attacked at home but top that better should be fired and put up by the balls. others here believe it won't be long however until the police join the crowds instead of restricting that we received this is protesting. and they're going to see that. cyril but even if this doesn't happen the movement won't be scared to wait any time soon

but marines and other military vets pledging to. how the protesters back. you were looking to. get. everybody his band together and the rope that's being created here no sword will cause him so soon r t your pictures like this certainly generating a lot of anger and frustration across the board here and i want to go now to a friend of scott olsen that injured veteran that you saw also a fellow iraq war veteran herself and only a first off i guess i just want to ask if you have an update for us about your friend scott olsen. well yes the last i heard is know in fair condition upgraded. breathing on his own but it seems like he's going to need surgery to remove some of the pressure from his brain what was your reaction the reaction of other veterans that you've spoken with in the last twenty four hours to

see this video i could be mistaken but i'm pretty sure scott was even wearing a veterans t. shirt when this happened what has been the conversation about the fact that this happened. well first it was a veterans for peace teacher which i think makes all of this even more ironic but the veterans community is just completely horrified that all this happened to scott and that this could happen to anybody but especially to a veteran it just goes to show that the the reaction of law enforcement to this protest was to kind of player and immediately rather than actually look for individuals causing trouble and attempt to root them out. let's talk about the relationships of people who served together in the military it seems to me especially for those who have served in combat zones even if not at the same time but just to a gun and there's a certain understanding of camaraderie

a loyalty that develops between and among those who who serve in the military talk to me about this and how you think that could have something to do with the reaction that we're seeing to scott's injuries yeah there is a stronger bond between among vets and then almost any other group of people that i've been a part of for sure. to the extent that. as you've seen the response from bradley we don't even need to know people that we do know anything about in order to support him because we've had we've had this shared experience we've gone to combat zones for long for many long months at a time and come home and are now we're now transitioning we're now going from one complete mindset of basically just being prepared to to die at any moment i mean we

know to be blunt but yeah i think being blunt is necessary now. we you know when you're in that situation with somebody it doesn't matter you know what his politics are you know how he treats his mother all you know is that that person is is here your community you know we were each other's comedian family well we were in the military and we need to keep me in each other's family and i think. that's what that's have been have been reflecting in the past. in the past forty eight hours since this since this is happened to sky a lot of people seem to be reflecting sort of on the irony as well this is a man who served our country two tours in iraq returned home without physical injuries and yet we see this that happened in california usa i want to play some video from yesterday i believe this happened after the news of the police raid in

oakland and of scott olsen injuries came down. these protesters a it's dark it's nighttime but what they're saying is new york is oakland oakland in is new york they're showing solidarity with with you guys in oakland some people even we're seeing putting signs that say we are all scott wilson i'm wondering if you have any idea i mean is scott aware of the reaction that his injuries have generated from across the country. as far as i know he is still not able to communicate. she communicate with people so i'm not sure what his reaction is but i do know that. his his his situation his has shown that there needs to be extreme and solidarity because otherwise individuals are going to keep getting

harmed and you know we we can if we're all standing together and you know it's cliche but if we're also anything other we can we can all be taken down and we need to all be looking out for her for one another and. i think that scott's passion just the fact that there was there. in in uniform with the veterans for peace he sure you know he works he has a job you know he is not sitting around that is that if that's all day he's he's contributing in in every way that contributed you know i wasn't there i. you know now i'm going to. you know he's he's. his passion should be inspiration. and especially. of

you know the reward for action and i want to talk about media coverage of this movement this movement certainly going on for about a month and a half now there is one cable network that seems to make it clear that they support the wars and the military and our troops talking about fox news of course and yet i want to play what they've been saying at least leading up to the last few days about the occupy wall street protests it is a classic mob off arising it's utterly incoherent they're always left wing and completely destructive we are all going to crack down there when we don't we're not crack had there been soft drugs they'll say you can't make this stuff up they're passing out free condoms there's been open sex going on there are drugs you disk or they are certainly unified they're certainly coordinated and they have the behind. kids and aging hippies out there they hate corporations they hate capitalism and in the end ultimately they want statism over free markets so they really don't like

freedom as a military veteran and lee i just want to get your reaction to this. i think it's it's a laughable these people are allowed to have public opinions but at the same time everything is a load of public opinion so you know they can say what they want to say it won't make it true it won't make it it won't make it something that has any real rational foundation but maybe you know saying things like this you know. it could only keep being untrue and you know who knows maybe maybe it will change now that we are seeing so many more military veterans come out i want to play one more thing up on his radio show sean hannity actually told a protester that because she's protests and she doesn't believe in liberty or in freedom and we found this on you tube someone asking a few other veterans to respond to what have these that on his radio show i'll show you what they said and then i'll get your response. it's the biggest load of.

everybody here loves sponge course group. is there anything you specifically would tell him if he was here say. this ability. what do you think about this i mean people are starting to ask they're starting to see veterans there they're starting to ask them for their take on this. basically my opinion is that the role of the media is to be there to be a voice that spreads truth and crenshaw information and. anybody who's doing that who's promoting an agenda who is. you know who knows what drives people who are extensively rational adults who claim that veterans don't love their country i think that in and of itself should be enough to discredit anything that comes after that it's kind of like saying the sky is purple

and then saying you know what do you think about what do you think about things going on in the world let's listen for a minute and. that was a really bad better for you and i i see what you're saying i want to talk about one more thing with you though while we have you and this is a reality that i think that that should be addressed a lot of that runs when they do come home certainly have trouble finding jobs but a lot of veterans take up jobs in the police force so i think with occupy wall street we're going to see and most likely we have seen the fact that a lot of people on the other side of the barricades the police officers are also veterans is this something that you know your fellow veterans that you are aware of that you've discussed do you think it makes a difference. i think any discussion. that is based in logic. and reason and truth you know knowledge of of course going on here i think just

question you should be encouraged. and. some people just aren't going to hear and and and it is it is heartening to know that possibly some of these police certainly there's hundreds of police in new york that there's a very good chance that some of those police are also veterans yet you know there is there is there's a reluctance to identify them and it is possible that there are and there are there are former military guys and look on the police force that's one of one of the jobs that a lot of a lot of my you know old army but he said they were going to train it when they got out so. yeah i think that more of the issue should be encouraged and more more relating i guess i guess discussion needs to include

our similarities with the with the people who are on both sides of this and and. i don't know i feel like if if people are are really thinking about. doing you know any any person any law enforcement person who shoots someone if they say you know if it's in. their job because it will that's i'm just doing my job. but i think that if you're thinking about your job and you're thinking about why you're doing what you're doing then then it should be easy. enough fire yeah specially since a lot of these protesters seem to be pretty peaceful and only eight iraq war veteran also friend scott olsen who was injured in oakland just a few days ago thanks and to help me sort things out in addition is peter joseph founder of the guys movements peter i know that you have put a major critique of the mainstream media and its coverage of the occupy wall street

movement late is out for me what's your biggest beef with what we've been seeing in occupy wall street movement and how it's been covered. oh well it's well needless to say the mainstream media is doing what it always does best and it's maintaining the status quo it's not far fetched understanding to see that the values that are perpetuated by the system that are so seeded with wealth generation and the corporations that run this country obviously the going to do the best they can to make sure the public is not aware of the growing crisis that this economic system is creating across the board so i want to commend artsy once again for what i've just seen for example it's really wonderful the service that you're providing and so the mainstream media. dismissed it long ago well we appreciate that we have been covering this since the first day before a lot of people even heard of this but you know i will say i you know i keep my eyes on what's on the cable networks than they have started to be out there

a little more in terms of covering and showing that this is actually going on first of all and you know i do also have to say that i've seen more and more stories about for example the gap between rich and poor income inequality. are you given up on the mainstream media but do you think that it after some time but having this discussion will change things will lead to a better country. or a better world i do think the pressures that are emerging are not going to stop what's been generated with occupy wall street excuse me what underscores that generation and anxious that anger that. that insurrection if you will isn't going to stop because of the mechanisms of the system which i'm happy to talk about as we continue and the mainstream media will be forced to recognize some attributes of it but it's always going to be colored in a particular way because that's basically what they do that's what they have to do out of their talking points come from but i don't dismiss the mainstream media i say that in rhetoric obviously i'm paying attention to or if i would make the

commentary that i do but i think the public needs to begin to understand that having the concentration of corporate power ownership of these major mainstream institutions is always going to produce biased media and it's a natural consequence not the people on ethical that run the mainstream it's just the value that's associated and what they promote just like arts he and other great more independent avenues have values that are much more open they're much broader more more informed and therefore you represent actually what many people want to see what the voice of the people may actually be as opposed to the filtering that goes through the mainstream i know the entire occupy movement began as a blackout of course and then the outrageous criticisms calling them communists and socialists and a bunch of you know drug addicts or people without jobs or no incentive and all that stuff went through that phase now we have had a phase where the mainstream is going to do some kind of attention some type of attention but again i want to alert everybody that it's going to be colored so everyone needs to go to outlets that are not mainstream we need to start to

frequent blogs need to frequent all of the independent media and media that has arisen from common people that are reporting or maybe we live in a world with everyone having cameras now so it's very easy to go to video blogs and actually see and digest information yourself or even going to that's what is some of these parks where people are you know it seems like more and more they're happening all around the country. peter i want to talk about your movement this i guess movement. it encourages also a change in the system so when it comes to some of the things that these protesters are can i was sort of frustrated with a government with officials that are very much chosen by the amount of money they can raise banks being bailed out veterans returning home and not being able to find a job i guess i want to get your take pick your brain a little bit what are your solutions to some of these problems. well just to correct the language really quickly it's not my solutions it's solutions that have come about through a very simple technical analysis of what defines society and what creates good

public health good mental health what we have learned about social management when it comes to our scientific benchmark just to point out before i answer that question our entire social system is based on archaic view traditional notion that was established long long ago it's really kind of extension of feudalism is what the political system is today the economic system is a socially darwinistic notion that there isn't enough to go around so therefore we have all these mechanisms built in for scarcity and we now have one billion people starving on this planet three billion people living on less than two dollars a day so you look at the clock consequences of the system and then you step back and you think about what a true economic system might be in a train of thought would be established true an economic system is not a system based on exchange in money and labor for income that's a contrivance that we've concocted through attrition additional unfoldings as we've learned through time what our place in the world actually is what we are excited about a true economy which is what's now emerging in the public mind is the management of

the earth but true economy is management of this household that we have and proper management is a technical orientation into needs of the human population is a technical orientation so just as we build an airplane with a very specific design you can't have too much too much deviation on that or you might injure the efficiency of the efficacy of the airplane we have to construct a society technically now i can go on a long tangent about what a technical approach to social management may be but let me just say this if we do not actually begin to manage the earth's resources if we do not actually begin to take care of society as it is we are going to see numerous forms of destabilization occur systemically breaking down the social order causing much more chaos than we're beginning to see now appears raking in harry really is speaking in broad terms as a total restructuring of society and sound like great. dia's but what about realistically in terms of some of these very specific problems plaguing society right now obviously everyone especially down there are in this movement believes that an

entire restructuring needs to happen but do you think that there's some things that can happen now yes i do think that there are things that could happen now but the things that will happen now will only be patches until the larger order restructuring occurs again the most the people in the protest community occupy wall street or even the mainstream activist community and never start to think about the structure of the system the structure and the psychology in values that come from that structure and what's reinforced and that's where the psychosis movement really comes into play and i could list all sorts of things that could alleviate different tensions as far as the debt crisis first of all you're going to have to have the right debt forgiveness across the board if you expect to stop the cancer of growth it's that's it the entire system is based on debt being created money being created out of interest charged upon it so therefore you have goon your black hole instant exponentially increase in unstoppable debt growth period that's it so it's

structural to the system how many people are talking about that not that many well i get a lot of sense what is i think a lot of these protesters are talking about that the system needs to change most people just still very unsure of how that happens and firstly we're out of time peter joseph founder of like i spent on to europe now some big news out of greece where investors agreed to a fifty percent haircut on greek bonds and athens will be given a one hundred billion euro bailout early next year and this is perceived by many as great names but our next kaiser said it's important to look at the whole picture. the plan is to create a one trillion euro slush fund and to not write off fifty percent of greek debts that's a misperception you're simply going to move it around the fraudulent balance sheets that are being organized to operate together it's a debt problem that they're going to cure by adding more debt just as a terrorist run the world economy they're doing

a fantastic job even more that was the best light add to the structure give them more debt it's absurd you're guaranteeing before new to catastrophe by letting these straw woodson's pose these theories that ending debt to debt problems it's good to increase the building that's insane strong feelings there by our max kaiser certainly money causes trouble sometimes and as a result there are some in greece who have chosen to get back to basics and were turned to the way things were before all these money problems began are to correspondent sara for it is in athens and has this report. they say that time is money for a country where cash is now in short supply time has taken on a whole different value. quick change want to services and sometimes they give a painting lessons for free but they take your guy for free also some of. the time banks just one of a growing number of service sloping alternatives that are providing people in

greece another way to cope with the tough economic conditions services can include anything from language classes the baby sitting all him meals huge huge everything we do without money like looking after people are making things by ourselves for a country in crisis building social unity can preview extremely hard process a terrible thing it creates fear it provides people for public sector workers from private sector workers it provides richer workers to poor workers immigrant workers from home workers and that's a terrible thing. for the party networks in a great way of bringing together large groups of people a populist slogan here in greece now is no one's alone in the crisis in isolation through arranging swap shops to exchange clothes and one town increases even started saying bharti currency we still have a memory of. agricultural society in greece where people used to do things together

like the tree of my family this week and then next week will be the olive trees of your family and then the next week of the other neighbor so they would exchange services and the like that mickey gives me and her friend alexandra he's also a member of the time less than one of the three services she provides and in exchange alexandra helps out with the gardening time is repaid it's an amazing way. of receiving finally by giving to the other. because many greeks struggle with wage cuts tax increases and with unemployment in the country now cripplingly high there's been huge interest in the time banks and networks places in aladdin's cave of materials there's no wonder really that this idea of swapping services has proven so popular during solidarity time an economic

situation extremely uncertain. networks won't solve greece's financial problems they do provide a massive amount of support for the participants it's not to respond to. crisis in the sense that it's going to overturn. but it's giving. them comfort like. terrible economic policy. by the troika it's giving people to feel that they can do something. with the tough economic times leaving many greeks feeling worthless there is real value in projects like the time bank the greek government drowning in debt these creative solutions are offering support that encouragement to the people here which at a time of deep recession approving priceless commodity.