it's wednesday the night when i'm alone liberal and go up against two conservative political commentators to debate the week's biggest stories so far on the panel tonight heather sermon conservative strategist associate blueskin solutions she's also now blogging it. c i r l and brian darling columnist of human events and contributor to both red state dot com big government dot com as well as director of government studies at the heritage foundation let's get started we're going sort of on yes right next to me going to come over we have to. actually oh ok i'll buy

radio show today i had the president of the oakland police officers association guy by the name of. or it's real he wrote an open letter to the oakland there and she won basically saying you know put a sales mess you know and but here's here's what he had to say this one little clip of that this is particularly. was the police department directed to be there or in the way in move at the level of force and given the permission to escalate to the level of force that they did by civilian officials by the end sinsin town or by jean kwan america or was there a more general order like clear the park and all those decisions were made by the police i think there was a more general order and then we're in and things were carried out by the police department ok so doesn't this this this was i was frankly startled to hear him say this doesn't this mean that basically for the violence that happened there that

this is the responsibility the police of americans as call for the merits had there's a petition to recall for. well that seems like a violent movement to me i mean you look what happened there are allegations in new york that there was a rape in the park in new york there are allegations that has nothing to do with it has a lot who were well you have been there is it is not allowing the communities in investigate was not an adult and this group was not violent in oakland we're talking about the oakland situation here where you had a police right you got a you've got a young man a two time iraq war veteran in the hospital with brain damage because the police fired tear gas canister in any violence is tragic but this is a violent movement this is a movement that instigates violence against the police there's no evidence it's happened to roast or to look at your work this was this this event in oakland there were probably three thousand cameras filming this including all the cameras and all the buildings around it police had cameras demonstrators had cameras there are no

incidents on camera of anybody being violent toward the police there are incidences of the police being violent or the demonstrators i'm just not buying it and you know originally we all thought that the mayor said you know go in there and use rubber bullets and use tear gas and here you get the head of the police association saying no this is our. other guy i think there's just a lot of confusion you know this this movement from beginning has not been very well organized it's been kind of confusing it's part of as far as the message goes in recent days you've had it kind of taken over by the left so there's kind of a more of a clear message left yeah. yeah i mean you know or it's this movement started this isn't it started as kind of a group of anarchists really it started he was as a as a as a group of patriotic americans who were saying we're tired of having our country taken away from them and there they didn't they weren't fighting with the left and they weren't siding with the right it's now you see them or siding with the left i'm just saying i'm seeing a lot more of your show up and these things i did in my radio show well maybe they

were hanging low given that i just saw a guy just go get there at the get go on saturday here in d.c. and the guy who spoke after me was. it was eighteen party founder that i used to debate on the radio who was standing there speaking and he said i disagree with your solutions but i agree we're all being screwed by well yes that just proves my point then i mean you have started to as confusing a group and it's still a confusing group and what's the goal what there are a lot different goals how do you get different day location whatever the call there's no call list in the larger sense should stop screwing my ninety nine percent that is even make any sense but one percent and while you're there to see it makes it a nice and so i'm going to glenda umana you came into office the top one percent america has seen their pay go up two hundred fifty seven percent the rest of us have seen our pay go average around three or four percent in fact the bottom quintile have actually seen it but that. notion of a nine percent is that some not just a group that has this list of demands no way america i'm sorry that nine percent

tom unite differ tremendously on what we expect from america united you know it's i mean i believe i think i am going to have a living of any country in the world so to say that there's income disparity that's not the way you measure how successful a content of living how people how your poorest people live how you're middle class living and we don't have a higher standard yes we do we do yes i mean actually the heritage foundation has done studies and people in america and they're not doing that bad or using the criteria that the various foundations use it's very selective you're if you look at overall overall things like you know help outcomes availability of help always rather be poor in north korea or even china i'd frankly rather be poor in norway or in sweden or infant finland or in denmark or in germany i've lived there for a year been to germany and i don't think their standard of living comes anywhere near their overall level of wealth is not as high as ours but i'd say frankly their quality of life is really pretty good i think we are all agreed that our economy has tremendous problems i would argue that the biggest problems that we face and

i've talked about this before on the show is that there is not the upward mobility that's characterized this nation so if you are. in the lower class you're stuck there increasingly you can't move your way or in the end that's what american dream you're starting to look last respect in the middle class so the goal therefore i think is not to protect the middle class it's a make sure that we can still it's in the american dream that we can still move up but that's what i think is going jeopardizing the american dream. no i don't think that the american dream is being able to see people get rich no to me it's not it's being able to move up though it's i mean if you go hard a part of the reagan administration there is an absolute certainty able to move up there's a little bit last was the american dream was to be in the middle and prior to reagan's administration national slicing the magazine they used to ask kids you know who do you want to be when you grow up and they used to say things like you know who are your role models and it was always like abraham lincoln or george washington after the reagan administration became things like bill gates i want to win a lottery i want to be

a good strong big bill gates guy and made what in any way are you download all of our last question when you use improved all of our lives these inventors of i don't i don't think having a lottery economy is a good thing i really you know we're going to have to be a shit if we have your advantage of washington was very wealthy man wanted to i mean yes really president but he was wealthy man he died broke maybe died broke i mean he was he was a wealthy man his own land owner he had you know people were only going lead by your dad by today's standards of the land this is a well his measure of a slave is that. you know in in today's dollars the richest of the guys who signed the declaration and it's john hancock he was the richest of all it was worth about seven hundred thousand us and today's dollars mainland it's hard with her but what do people want americans want their kids to have a better life and they have and we're getting into a situation where that's not happening oh it hasn't been possible since since the reagan it's not reagan's fault it's government's fault we have too much government spending we're sealing from future generations you know reagan i agree reagan ran

up a three trillion dollar budget and handed off to the defense industry and then bush and clinton balanced it by raising taxes obama well he has been able to raise. actually i you know i would like to see him do that boulder colorado yesterday voted by a three to one margin to say corporations are not people money is not speech blowing it right back in the face of the supreme court this idea that corporations are people and money is speech has never ever been voted on by the house of representatives or the senate in history this country since george washington it's never even been advocated you have presidents in a grover cleveland read his inaugural address his state the union address rather eight hundred eighty eight we talked about the iron heel of capitalism of the capitalism the neck of the american people not talking about the rise of the robber barons. and this was you know two years after the citizens are not citizens united decision santa clara county decision this is entirely made up by the supreme court meanwhile house republicans are in their own squat about creating jobs yesterday

they voted to reaffirm in god we trust as the as the model our model from george washington and so on one hundred fifty six was the pluribus unum out of many one and then in fifty six in the midst of all the and mostly godless communism hysteria got changed to in god we trust and so here's what president obama and others. and if congress tells you they don't have time they've got time to do it have we been in the house of representatives what are you guys been debating john you've been debating a commemorative coin for baseball. you're have legislation. reaffirming the good god we trust is our motto. let's not put people back to work. so republicans have been in control of the house of representatives for ten months where the jobs they promised jobs with the senate's promise to i mean the president it's laughable for him to make fun of the house of representatives this guy's been on vacation all summer and hanging out in martha's vineyard doing

a lot of gulping and he's been saying that situation saying that it is the job or even that the president has the ability to appropriate money to spend money or to pass laws you can sign congress has to pass right and they have to reject the house he represented why does he draft up legislation that he knows can't pass congress he has to get religion on down and down the door and legislation and this is not about the polls this is about i'm just asking the question where are the jobs i haven't seen any just please let us cosmo's love not make more jobs that are ours as they. it would be helpful to our economy and that's the best that we're debating so how do you get out of a recession you get rid of so much government chewing up the resources of a struggle. but be rebuilding europe. and you we helped rebuild europe we know by and large we didn't we asked the marshall plan actually we loaned them money and we gave them money but the actually the goods you know when i forget his first name was very specific about this it's really important that we not have

our manufacturers sell their products to them which is how japan does most of their form. what he called foreign aid programs right now that that would not be like that that we wanted to help them rebuild their own cement factories their own concrete fact you know their own their own industrial base so i know what you do i know i know you oftentimes talk about you know the bigger government during the great depression i mean after great question got us out of that the problem is those programs were never they never went away so they were temporary but be fine with you as they do it now we're still paying for those programs that were established back then but still serve no purpose they don't serve a purpose. when we came out of there on the border to the city market when we came out of world war two which you know many conservatives say goddess of the great depression you could say it was the ultimate government stimulus program we were one hundred twenty six percent of g.d.p. and right now we're eighty something what is it eighty seven you probably know that the latest numbers might be even ninety nine you know but whatever we were one hundred twenty six percent of g.d.p. and within six years that was paid off that was paid off by

a wide mostly dwight eisenhower spending money like crazy building a highway system building america building roads building bridges between school and still have to be maintained i mean you know there is there's the produced revenue from going why do i wish him ill this work if it's such a great idea to say donor money jobs you know if you saw how we lost two million jobs since president obama's been sworn in unemployment at nine point one percent you show me a guy who's unemployed housing knowing president obama lost in the private sector you've had in fact there has been steady gains in the private sector since the third month after his presidency or the fourth more than if you want to close the first couple of months when it was still george bush's economy you could use those numbers we're still we have had fourteen months of continuous job growth in the private sector i'll grant you in the red states you've got republican governors land people off as fast as they can to try to make things as bad as they can go to respond to me needs to grow by about four to five percent to get through rate of unemployment that we had early in the bush administration which was virtually go on

and we have never in the history of this country had a decade where growth was over three point two percent that was the peak that was the change that came to my sixty's so you know that's that's a nor that's a really really healthy or three point two percent and you want five percent i think four percent or five percent if we can come it seems to me like a bubble and he would be great to get us back to something before as you're as ready as we've had in the recent past i know sure indirectly or most. will look at one of the we have a government bubble now an interesting and i mean listen it was a race we had in one hundred twenty five twenty six twenty seven different to eight right and yet it was over five percent after number that we had a divided congress you know there's going to be faster well the. time and we have election coming up i mean we obviously bow to these people and right here we have a very very much longer don't already have we're suffering from our choices so we have to say this makes sense i like this or we go as opposed to really is going to be a choice election or agree with you on that republicans just before with their first proposal from the gang of twelve and surprise surprise it's an eight hundred million dollar billion dollar tax cut for millionaires and billionaires by and

large reagan's tax cuts in the eighty's tripled our national debt bush came along and added another six trillion dollars to the national debt his father to add another two and a half trillion dollars the national but you know all these republicans who say you know do so through the republicans on the gang of twelve i mean are they delusional to be actually think that another round of tax cuts is actually going to lower the national debt or is it that they really just like giving massive handouts to the one percent will you go with the bush obama tax cuts if you continue those tax cuts if you're not the extension of the bush tax cut yeah but obama supported your basic belief that he want to long with an order to get dissension while the still choice the republicans made him was the horses said the bed was otherwise you're not going to have an extension of unemployment benefits well let's just say for argument's sake that he went you know what need he didn't want to go along with it but the bottom line is the american people having more of their own money we're going to be

rich middle class or poor is good for the economy poor people are going to be hiring anybody it's the rich that are going to hire people be having more money actually small businesses more often than not in business owners are not the rich and i wonder syntax on he wanted to increase taxes by anybody who makes over two hundred thousand dollars a year the only those are not noticing it is the first of all he's he's changed his tune to make it a million dollars and secondly those are not the people who are running small businesses unless you call the koch brothers a small business i know they say the iras it's one of those i don't think most people think if you think you know. people with fifty billion bucks are doing really it's fair though i mean all these new programs and ideas are coming out from the left his solution is tax millionaires and billionaires pretty soon there are all millionaires and billionaires money is going to go towards the government will still be in a form so that's when i just like the week before we're going to be president and will be in disaster state i'm just saying that the solution cannot be tax the millionaires and billionaires until they have no one to government no you don't

know you're there to money it's still get us out of the hole if i don't say we're going to change our trade policies we need to change our taxation policies we need we need a national. in giving people permanent herman cain said. i dread was. my filibuster fail but actually you know i'm just curious you know it seems to me like he's not actually running for president he's running running object of a speaking fees newt gingrich obviously is trying to you know pay off his wife's tiffany jones the middle is per action program that romney hasn't shown up anywhere . in the us than we have any are there other than mitt romney who's in hiding are there any serious republican candidates in these debates basically whoever wins the republican primary has a great shot of beating president obama who's has dismal approval ratings actions are is there anybody other than mitt romney who's actually a serious yeah yeah most all of them i mean and and their means be seen how herman cain's thinking now that's the reality is he wasn't prepared for all of the

attention that he's suddenly got i don't know i mean these need what i can respect but brian brings up a good point that should not be overlooked a sockpuppet could beat obama right now all right you. be doing great that. you are the third there she is obama's approval ratings are down the dumps he's i want to ask you a lot of work there publicans you know not so much really great now we'll see how that works some to oversell last question for what's the deal with rick perry there was his bizarre speech in new hampshire the other. i grew up on. i grew up. there were no i'm not. going to get it since you gotta love it. but now it's growth. you know what i mean. so active directory that had republicans this is this very

about after he saw this you know he came out he said quote you know what. got to call these conferences so quote i can tell you unequivocally he wasn't drinking if you bet that he hadn't been drinking prior to the event so what's the explanation perry's bizarre behavior i don't have choices for you i'm just wondering he was a southerner and yankee territory trying to figure out what's going on you could be less nervous ok i found it and during that he was joking around yukking it up and i don't think there's anything wrong with what he did he didn't seem like he was intoxicated to me seems like he was having fun and you know it's behavior just seem very very different from normal so i'm we need i mean well right now yes maybe i'm wondering if he didn't take his medication. you know so i think i'm not going to do all those things i. did that brian thank you thank you for coming up in tonight's daily take i'll tell you why the solution for putting an end

to corporate personhood once and for all maybe in your hometown. but drives the world of fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions it's time to break through it so that you can weigh who can you trust no one who is you know view with the local machinery see where we had it state controlled capitalism is called sasha's when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more.

yeah that's a good move out of the very very quiz growing very ugly the good ship go a group of city alderman plans to introduce an ordinance of today's city council meeting to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana they believe decriminalization will save the city millions of dollars and free up police to investigate actual serious crimes under the new all police people rather quote with ten grams or less of marijuana would be ticketed and fine rather than something well let's hope other cities take note and we can and nixon's war on drugs good the bad rush limbaugh in case you didn't know the left has

a new way of getting rid of people with balls filled the cinemas a new tactic today on his radio show. sexual harassment is a political tool of the left to get rid of people. money games i guess now that his buddy herman cain allegedly committed sexual harassment lynn was putting sexual harassment assault on trial there is no logic in a republican is accused of sexual harassment or anything else but it's a ploy by democrats but when a democrat is accused of the same thing he's a slime ball of the cases selective outrage by limbaugh and the very very ugly new york mayor. senior one percenter multi-billionaire michael bloomberg and center of the occupy wall street movement is based in his city you'd think you'd be a little more careful when he's defending his banks or buddies here's how he responded to a question about occupy wall street at a business breakfast yesterday. morning. we.

are good friends. for siri ready to go. yes it's actually you know it's impossible to name one bank that was threatened with any prosecution by any government agency for not lending to people they shouldn't have gone to eighty four percent of the subprime or is let out in two thousand and six at the peak of the housing bubble came from private lending institutions and i government backed institutions like fannie mae or freddie mac. bloomberg simply has the facts wrong and to try to give blanket immunity to banks toure's as thousands of patriots are camped out new york city and getting arrested to protest the crimes on wall street shows just how tone deaf the mayor is let them eat cake right it's very very.

nice to occupy wall street never in recent memory has the call to kick corporations out of our politics been router and yesterday there were two major developments in how we can eat this call for democracy that's uncontaminated by corporate cash first a group of democratic senators introduced a new constitutional amendment to overturn the supreme court's citizens united decision decision the so that money is speech and therefore corporations and rich people can spend as much money as they want meddling in our elections and senators who signed on to this amendment tom you all michael bennett tom harkin durbin chuck schumer sheldon whitehouse and jeff merkley all saw what happened. in last year's elections as a result of citizens united they saw how the amount of secret outside spending skyrocketed from just sixty sixty eight million dollars in the two thousand and six midterms to over three hundred four million in the two thousand and ten midterms

that's a four hundred percent increase in corporate cash influencing elections and buying politicians just ten months after the citizens united decision and as you'd expect when corporations get to hand pick their members of congress republicans win big but with occupy wall street at their back now these senators are saying enough is enough and this constitutional amendment will give power back to congress and to the states to set their own election laws so that they can keep corporations and extreme wealth in check in the political process that means they can start by passing laws like this all wisconsin law it was on the books through most of the nineteenth century and is basically what was the law of the land in every state of the united states for the first hundred fifty years of this nation's history it read no corporation doing business in this state shall pay or contribute directly or indirectly any money property free speech services of its officers or employees

or thing of value to any political party organization committee or individual for any political purpose whatsoever or for the purpose of influencing of any kind or to promote or defeat the candidacy of any thurston or nominate court nomination appointment or election to any political office if guilty up to five years in prison for the corporate executives and the death penalty for the corporation it gets dissolved. there's no question we need a twenty eight cost to show amendment right now to bring back laws like this and keep corporations out of our democracy but the truth is this amendment doesn't go far enough it's not just about corporations buy in elections it's about corporations lobbying and buying off members of congress it's about corporations being able to escape punishment when their negligence kills people on an oil rig or the pollution gives a whole town cancer it's about corporations having an unrepeatable right to privacy

to hide their abuses it's not corporations being able to tear down sovereign governments and economic protections to promote so-called free trade it's about corporations claiming that they're people it's alternately about what's called corporate personhood and while the amendment that i just shared with you and introduced it was senate limits corporate activity in our elections it doesn't say a thing about corporations not being people and luckily last night voters in boulder colorado did say something about corporate personhood by a three to one margin voters approved question to each which calls for an amendment to the constitution to once and for all say that corporations are not people and that only humans are entitled to protections under the constitution what happened in boulder colorado last night shows the way forward for all of us who were hounding our lawmakers sleeping in the streets or writing books and t.v. and radio shows on these issues to accomplish our common goal to end corporate personhood as well be done overnight some constitutional amendments to years to

pass but they finally did pass once america reached a tipping point in each case be it the thirteenth amendment which abolished slavery or the nineteenth amendment which gave women the right to vote america is at one of those tipping points today just like it was when young people were being hauled off to the vietnam war without any legal right to have a say in who their politicians were. and in less than four months the twenty sixth amendment was passed giving eighteen year olds the right to vote that's all it took to pass the twenty sixth amendment less than four months and it took less than one month for occupy wall street to go national and then go global change oppen happens faster than we think this nation needs the twenty eighth amendment that says that corporations are not people and money is not speech let's put it on balance everywhere and move to amend dot org. that's the big picture first night for more

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