nine thirty am in moscow these iraqi headlight leaders of the world's biggest economies meet for a g. twenty summit or center stage is taken by the euro crisis now intensified by the greek decision to hold a ballot referendum germany and france say they'll be no cash for athens until it decides its course. live pictures from oakland california where a rally of thousands causes a major port shutdown and disrupt business in the city anti-corporate protests in california growing its public discontent with economic inequality if you further by

last week's violent dispersal of demonstrators. russian businessmen victor boot found guilty on trafficking by u.s. jury facing life behind bars but he claims he's innocent amanda of the merchant of death was arrested in thailand three years ago and extradited to the u.s. last autumn. now that nato troops are wrapping up their campaign in libya al green of ass car a lamers president of the alliance is parliamentary assembly whether the intervention was justified spotlight coming up.

hello again well welcome to spotlight the untrue shelled. wednesday my guest in the studio is carl lambert's. the role survey libyan leader muammar gadhafi is dead after nearly a year of violence he was captured and massacred by a furious crowd now the dictator is gone and so is the late show support for the alliance taliban's are packing their bags to fly back while the world speculates if the intervention was the right thing i would not let me say later should not support the just one side of our hardest final good premature to withdraw now when not all of the good that the supporters are. so wouldn't have been reasonable to stay and secure peace in the region towards allied forces has more important business to attend. to the presence of the nato parliamentary assembly carl latter . one of the key points on the current need

a strategy democracy in the world when libya's gadhafi started to shelter a rising opposition to the alliance decided to intervene in just a few months the coalition secured a new regime in the country taking almost no casualties believe me a mission is now considered a model of a successful peacekeeping nato alteration but many fear the alliance me assumed the role of the world's policeman and start spreading democracy wherever it can lead as designed. the lowest level since the privilege to have you in the studio thank you for coming thank you for the invitation out here well first of all let's discuss the nato russian memory since you're here since you're in moscow well one of the problems in relations between nato and russia is that is that mr shield thing yes well their own it steps to deploy in this town defense in europe and russia feels that you know discussing

it with moscow well russia has labeled it i quote the policy of established facts this is what how russia calls this listen the climate there isn't to provoke growing tension between the two countries which is the feel that i don't sing so one of the intentions of our visit here the parliamentary assembly of nato and of our very senor body of our assam the is to exchange views and to get a better understanding of each other and so there one very important point is missile defense we spoke about this is a problem and terry and and we have the impression that they understand where we will want to be intense based on the lisbon summit especially our friends from russia were invited to get in gauged in this system i think we all agree that threats missile threats are increasing and that

we should do everything to cooperate in building up a system against. dangerous missile threats and so i think it was a good invitation. for the russians to get in the gates in the system and that means that resorts cooperate and the first thing what i want to make very clear is that this is a. very defensive not aggressive system that is not directed against your country but you are invited to cooperate in the thing up in a system with coordination with sharing of data this with sharing of threat assessment to coordinate the systems we have and to lead this to a success at the benefit of us or letters as you understand you are not the first

late show that i am asking about this system and this is the answer i get all the time that this is a defensive thing it's not aimed against russia though you say that you know i have lots of understanding with moscow on this issue of rights but on the other hand when everyone in the papers we see this is a very dangerous thing russia has to counter react so is it just like a sort of a propaganda thing the war of words just for the press while you when you see of the table you have added standing or you feel that there is a list understanding of the russians maybe there is a little bit misunderstanding there is misperception and therefore we are here i think that is a good culture to be in and out in an open dialogue and to exchange views to make clear what we once we face the same threats and they're saying it is good to cooperate is facing the same threats it is good to bungle the efforts to bundle our

power and i think in the meeting today maybe we got a little bit more access to our critics to make this clear. to tell them that it is better not to wait till we can agree on everything when we have a chance to agree on anything and that means not waiting for command and control something what is not possible. to decide no but to take care of the core of the nation and of bringing together day to this we can share our plans i think there is a good to be among all our parliamentarians from nato countries from russia to bring a better understanding of that's what this system means there i'll get a quote for you from the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov who is who is of

course a diplomat he has always been very diplomatic and he's always been very moderate he's nothing like mr no no three or you know listen to what he says he told a serb newspaper called the chair of the largest city i quote mosco will have to take military technical measures if the u.s. and nato continue to ignore its position end quote self worth lover of who is a foreign minister saying that we will take will truly retaliate should lose because u.s. nato is ignoring our position so no understanding how we think seeing announce raise here. we don't want an arms race we want cooperation we live in the time when confrontation turns to cooperation and i give a good wise to your minister of foreign affairs for mr lavrov to accept the invitation to be engaged and i think our principles are very clear it is transparently predictability corp and it is not as russia is in gauged in the

system and i seemed we can dispel all misperceptions and misunderstandings we have turned up one of the arguments i know russian diplomats have is that if this system can damage russia as nato claims then then then what proves it if nato isn't ready to give legally binding guarantees to moscow this system cannot dummy's russia. this is not directed against russia this directed against common threats maybe stress against russia and against nato countries. if you will speak about. legally binding assurance i say this system is based on trust the system is based on confidence we can put it in writing you can get it written but as seen if you look for an international treaty that is

it will last a long time but that is not what is necessary and they don't know what this purpose should serve we should build up a system based on confidence on trust and as much as you are engaged in the system you know that there is no reason for mistrust you mean trust is more important than legal papers in such matters such a paper would be would be not worth the the the nccam that you spend it is their choice in trust and confidence are more important than letters ok now now from the papers and from the first reports from your meetings with the russian idea that the russian side wants nato to provide not in a legal guarantees that there is no threat relating offense but also the exact parameters are the system that russia wants to possess it's the number of interceptor missiles locations speed range and so on they stayed late so is not

providing them with information is a true and if it is is it because because like there is a sort of a distrust like a traditional distrust of the military of both sides of the teacher i was think we are politically were very open to deliver all that is not militarily politically militarily if we want to build up such a system if we speak about complementarity of two systems now or to work to bring them together i think the most important point now is. to come to a common threat assessment to come to data sharing and to coordinate the system saw step by step with courts and should develop the system and then we would sort the problem and that would dispel the misperceptions and the misunderstanding and the mistrust and if there is no confidence you cannot build up such a system and that was the spirit of response to this in the spirit so it's not out of the question it is possible that if you feel trust you will provide russians

will the information sure here ok the russian deputy foreign minister said i quote he was commenting on nature's otherworldliness to create a joint missile defense we're going to show it wait so countries are the alliance say the candidates in trust their security to russia since the russian federation is not part of the collective system or the sense we consider this logic old fashioned says russian deputy foreign minister do you agree that the relations between the two blocs russia or russia on the one side in nato are really a bit old fashioned. async we should not think in blocks and blocks i think when you are the one. notorious lot of luck may so is a is a political is a political military institution an organization we are all the block we are open for all who cooperate with us even for russia i remember and i tell the and you all

know that we have a russia nato council and on our parliamentary level we have a nato russia parliamentary committee and this is a ferment of twenty nine we speak on the same level we have a very open dialogue a very open discussion our principle is transparency was speak about everything and i think that is a spirit in which one remaster solve this problem and korea it's this very important system of missile defense that is to the benefit of us all says carl lambert's president out there late so the vitreous and the spotlight will be back shortly after the great south stay we want to continue this interview in a minute or so.

wealthy british science. market find out. why no one should really happening to the global economy with much stronger a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into kinds a report on our key. welcome back to spotlight i'm arguing over and just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is carol lam is president of the late so parliamentary assembly and mr lammers. according to what you say according to

your clone according that you're sitting here in front of me the relations between nodes and russia are really better than they used to be were openness more trust so what works for the last couple of years the russian representative to merely invest in of russia mr dmitry rogozin who is a real hawk has always been a hard and he still is a hawk so my question to you why did it take the hawk in brussels to start improving their relations i don't know about this adorable and very well he's a nice guy and i say he's a nice girl but he has a very well here's a hard as you're actually but he did also very authentic or not in brussels here finds a very open up the sphere and i think he will agree to that what i say let us be. i think gates together in this system let us work on the basis of transparency let is work based on trust and confidence and i think we are going forwards toward

peaceful future let's hope so let's talk about international relations the middle east some leaders of the syrian opposition they they they've asked later after they saw what happened in libya they are asking nato to to to use the same scenario in their country do you think this may happen and no i am quite sure that will not happen but this is a totally different situation in syria than libya there is no you on mandate there is no war and so that was very important for the libya operation of nato no request from arab league and i think there is no planning in the it or doing the same or something like this in syria a clear answer and the clear response from me so this is that if you give into the russians to reassure her that you're positive i'll give her a civil suit and look at a little political well well well this is not very common for the planets i called

up of a. russian observers russian newspaper and russian experts they are see that taking sides in one side in the libyan conflict the side of libyan rebels in their war against gadhafi and later has transparency the u.n. resolution which sanctioned only protection of civilians on the other hand and nato says no we were we were trying to protect civilians whenever do you have examples when the nato forces are actually pretty certain civilians from the opposition for example during the siege of our series of. the nato operation only five protect was the un mandated operation of nato and there was a clear intention to protect people against military attacks of garfield the gadhafi troops to prevent people from this to prevent and to avoid civilian

casualties and the sink and later was very successful doing this i was saying there was a clear mandate and we operated in the framework of this mandates so this was a very good operation and connects to a very good success that libya is free no and that is a good message for the people there now they have the opportunity to build up new structures and i hope democratic structures rule of law then work receive the freedom of speech of religion of everything i think that is what we intended to do and therefore i fully agree to that what nato made a you say you're a politician and you are not american which makes it easier for me to talk to you because americans there are sure that there is only one type of democracy and miracle ocracy europeans know there may be there relations in democracy itself a question about libya. the cool lynching of canary the mass graves and the barbaric action that we saw on television mean you both we saw it are you sure that

the regime that will be replacing a gaffe is regime will be a democracy are you sure you will find in for the real cause. i hope that people all people especially the young people. know the new situation and the new opportunity to build up a new structure and they are a community in their country to. be open all for better perspectives of the life i just came back from tunisia. you see young people open and very. determined to go this way to freedom to peace and to a better future with good education. economic progress i think that we are asked. to help them if we are requested it is their revolution it

is their decision how to go to the future but it is up to us and i speak now for the parliamentary assembly of nato we are parliamentarians to assist them if we are requested in tunisia we were requested and they're asked for help for assistance so we wait now when the first election that took place they voted for a constituent assembly we will wait in egypt and then i will go to to cairo and after that to libya and we will ask people what do you expect from austria or for what expectations for their future and so you and we can assist them what do you mean when we say we will ask people you know he deal with you here you put your book like a glass in sunglasses you go into three things you are people are now we have no sunglasses you have iris. we speak so maybe in the parliamentarians if they are elected you speak to them in terrorism exactly people you know the transitions

there's even one turns up people. people's representatives their politicians we speak with young people with me agree students we speak with journalists we speak with we are people from the community across the science from from all aspects and i think we are stem what can we do we will not give them our model of democracy we asked works we can do or how we can hurt how we can assist them and if we are requested we can assist as we have parliamentarians from the eastern little but from europe they made the experience of transformation from one model of society into another and so if we are requested we will help and we will assist as far as i know the germany was really supportive of the libyan operation including inside the good the stag of which you once were remember how would you explain that is it because it was germans i get really sick and tired of wars. i think that

germany made it clear to susan our own to. enhance our efforts to build up new structures in the fost phase now of libya we will assist people there and they are saying we will concentrate to the phase now or after the luto to ration has finished after the military operation is finished do you have fears nearly used by the parliamentarians the politicians within the eight the her theories that sort of an al qaida aryan construction his way come to power well i'd like to add he could add a few warlords i want to start clashing with each other i cannot exclude this so we have to be very cautious i know of that people are full of expectations for free future future and freedom and i seemed the best what we can do is now to go they are to be engaged to a very early stage of development plans to do our very best that these countries

develop in a free future the new york times pointed out that i quote shortages in the european intelligence gathering here craft aerial refueling tankers and precision guided the skids for bombs proved the united states remains the backbone of any nato offensive and quelled would you agree that the libyan operation has exploited the over dependence of nato on u.s. military force. a sink we have to think of for lessons who learns what arsenal reality of this is a lesson and we speak about the lessons we speak about how to enhance capabilities in the whole framework of nato what we can do more you know we are all under the pressure of the economic crisis all over the walls all the countries are affected and so i think it. i fully agree to the policy or smart defense of

secretary general rasmussen how to reduce cost without losing the power to fight for security and to enable us to break such important military operations so it is offense yes that means to bundle our efforts to reduce costs to pooling and sharing bands to develop. special capabilities for one country and the others and by leading this together i think we have a good chance to reach our aim so common european defense is possible is a concept that you considering are using they please. an intention to develop a european. capability in the defense issue as part of nato capability. a lead here also proved that quote some of the observers that the

leaders of some medium science powers can be overthrown from a distance without putting boots on the ground by using weapons fired from sea and from iraq like a remote controlled war right this isn't it creates a favorable environment for selling another war in a country that wants the market. no i don't see and so you know things are so so so so you so you think that that learning lessons from for what happened in libya would be rather positive a positive process then then a dangerous negative process yes the lessons learned means when you see experience from living and what should we do especially under the aspect of pooling and sharing to develop their common capabilities to be able to master the challenges of the future while you were here in moscow you of course arabs first had the russian response to the libyan operation and maybe not always very

diplomatic do you think that after that in the present position present state of mind russia would vote for a similar resolution on syria i don't think so i'm a little lesson learned here at a certain amount of bucks and there is no situation that's a sort of a vote for such a resolution that is not plans and therefore i think there is no situation that russia must stink of such a resolution thank you thank you very much for being with us and being so frank and just a reminder that my guest today was carl clamored president of the late so called it makes me sad and the third pull out from all of us in the spotlight will be back with more posts and comments are about the world until then they are sleek and fake thank you thank you. to.

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