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plus russia questions the fairness of businessman trial i want to bring him home after a new york jury finds him guilty of trying to. well enough but i never was wrapping up its campaign in libya. the president of the parliamentary assembly whether the intervention was justified spotlight coming your way now. hello again i'll walk into thought right through shelled and i'll bring all of them today my guest in the studio is carl lambert. the road serving libyan leader muammar gadhafi is dead after nearly a year of violence he was captured and massacred by a furious crowd now the dictator is gone and so is the nato support force the

alliance to tell the ground the packing their bags to fly back while the world speculates if the intervention was the right thing or not many blatant signal of support the just wrong side of. august find it premature to withdraw now when not all of the good that his supporters out there think so wouldn't it have been reasonable to stay and secure peace in the region for allied force as world war two business to have. the presence of the nato parliamentary assembly karl rather. one of the key points of the current nato strategy is to save guard democracy in the world when libya's gadhafi started to show the rising opposition to the alliance decided to intervene in just a few months the coalition secured a new regime in the country taking almost no casualties believe be a mission is now considered a model of a successful peacekeeping nato operation but many here the alliance made soon the

role of the world's policeman and start spreading democracy wherever it was designed. as a privilege to have you in the studio thank you for coming thank you for the invitation i can well at first of all let's discuss the nature of russian matter since you here since you're in moscow. one of the problems in relations between nato and russia is there is that little shill thing yes well they weren't hit steps to deploy in this defense in europe and russia feels that you know discussing it with moscow well russia has labeled its policy of established facts as well how russia calls this list and the climate there isn't to provoke growing tension between the two countries which is the feeling i don't sing so one of the intentions of our visit here at the parliamentary assembly of nato and of our very

senor body of our assembly is to exchange views and to get a better understanding of each other and so one very important point is missile defense miscoded while this is a problem and terry and and we have the impression that they understand very well what to be intense based on the lisbon summit especially our friends from russia we are invited to get engaged in this system i think we all agree gets threats missile threats are increasing and that we should do everything to cooperate in building up a system against. dangerous missile threats and so i think it was a good invitation. for the russians to get in gauged in the system and that

means that we should cooperate and the first thing what i want to make very clear is that this is a very defensive not aggressive system that is not directed against your country but you are invited to cooperate in building up a system with coordination with sharing of daters with. sharing of threat assessments to coordinate the systems we have and to lead this to a success that the benefit of us or we service as you understand you are not the first nato official that are asking about the system and this is the answer i get all the time that this is a defensive thing it's not aimed against russia though you say that you have lots of understanding with moscow on this issue of rights but on the other hand when everyone open the papers we see this is a very dangerous thing russia has to counter react so is it just like a sort of

a propaganda thing war of words just for the press wow you know when he said of the table you have to add this telling or you feel that there is a list understanding of the russians maybe there is a little bit misunderstanding there is misperception and therefore we are here i think that it is a good culture to be in a good in an open dialogue and to exchange views to make clear what we want we face the same threats and they're saying it is good to quarter rate is facing the same threats and discourse to bundle the efforts to bundle our power and i seen in the meeting today maybe we got a little bit more access to our products to make this clear and to tell them that it is better not to wait till we can agree on everything when we have

a chance to agree on anything and that means not waiting for command and control something what is not possible to decide no but to take care of coordination and of bringing together data this we can share and i think there is a good to be among a lot. element ariens from nato countries from russia to bring a better understanding of that's what this system means there i've got a quote for you from the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov who is who is of course a diplomat he has always been very diplomatic and he's always been very moderate he's nothing like mr no you know three more listen what he says he told a serb newspaper called they cheer me navasky i quote mosco will have to take military fact mikkel measures if the u.s. and nato continue to ignore its position end quote so what lover of who is

a foreign minister saying that we will take will tree roots allegations now this is because u.s. nato is ignoring our position so no understanding are we facing a noun phrase here. we don't want an arms race we once corporation we live in the time when confrontation turns to cooperation and i believe a good wise to be a minister of foreign affairs first a lot of to accept invitations to be engaged and i think our principles are very clear that is transparently predictability corp and is not is russia is engaged in the system and i think we can dispel all misperceptions and misunderstandings we have to not one of the arguments i know russian diplomats have is that if this system can damage russia as later claims then then then what proves it

if nato is not ready to give legally binding guarantees to moscow this system cannot damage russia this is not directed against russia there is directives against common threats and may be threats against russia and against nato countries . if you speak of. legally. binding assurance i say this system is based on trust the system is based on confidence we can put it in writing you can get it written but as seemed if you look for an international treaty that is it will last a long time but that is not what is necessary and i don't know what this purpose should serve we should build up a system based on confidence on trust and as much is you are engaged in the system you know that there is no reason for mistrust you mean trust is more important than

legal paper in such matters such as paper would be would be not worth the know the nk let you spend it is there to sing trust and confidence are more important than letters ok now now from the papers and from the first report from your meetings with the russian idea that the russian side wants nato to provide noting legal guarantees that there is no threat related offense but also the exact parameters of the system that russia wants to possess it's the number of interceptor missiles locations speed range and so one they stayed late so is not providing them with information is it true and if it is is it because because there is a sort of a distrust like a traditional distrust of the military of both sides with each other i seen we are politically were very open to deliver all the latest terror is not militarily politically militarily if we wants to build up such

a system if you speak about complementarity of two systems now or to work to bring them together i sing the most important point now is to come to a common threat assessments to come to the gate and sharing and to coordinate the system so step by step we could and should develop the system and then i think we would solve the. and that would display all the misperceptions and the misunderstanding and the mistrust and if there is no confidence you cannot build up such a system and that was the spirit of response to do this in the spirit so it's not out of the question it is possible that if you feel trust you will provide russians will the information you're here ok the russian deputy foreign minister said i quote he was commenting on nature's otherworldliness to create a joint missile defense with the shake weight so countries are the alliance say they cannot entrust their security to russia since the russian federation is not

part of the collective system of defense we consider this logic old fashioned says russian deputy defense minister do you agree that the relations between the two works russia the russian the one side in nato are really a bit old fashioned. async we should not think in blocks and blocks i think we are is that what the nature is not of love they thought is a is a political as a political military institution an organization we are all the block we are open for all who cooperates with us even for russia i remember and i told your and you all know that we have a russia nato council and on our parliamentary that will be have a nato russia parliamentary committee and this is a format of twenty nine and we speak on the same level we have a very open dialogue very open discussion our principle is transparency we speak

about everything and i think that is a spirit in which we must solve this problem and creates this very important system of missile defense that is to the benefit of us or says carl roberts president out there late to the petraeus and scott light will be back shortly after the great self stay we are to continue this interview in a minute. five hundred days waits to be. a breakthrough in space travel. richard from the red planet. mars five hundred touched on r.t. . on.

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welcome back to spotlight i'm al green over in just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is carol lammers president of the late so parliamentary assembly mr landers. according to what you say according to your tone according that you're sitting here in front of me the relations between notes and russia are really better than the used to be more openness more trust so what works for the last couple of years the russian representative to nearly a best of russia mr clinton regarding who's a real hawk has always been hard and he still is a hawk so why question to you why did it take hawk in brussels to start improving their relations i don't know about this is the regression very well he's not going

to say he's a nice girl he is a very well here's a seriously you know she's very hard what's going on in brussels here finds a very open atmosphere and i think he will agree to that what i say let us be. in gauged together in this system let this work on the basis of transparency let us work based on trust and confidence and i think we are going forwards to work peaceful future let's hope so let's talk about international relations the middle east some leaders of the syrian opposition they they they've asked later after they saw what happened in libya they are asking nato to try to use the same scenario in their country do you think this may happen no i'm quite sure that will not happen but this is a totally different situation in syria than in the video there is no you on monday and there is no war and so that was very important for the libya operation often

later on no request from arab league and i think they are there is no planning in the it or doing the same or something like this in syria the clear answer and the clear response for me says so so this is the answer you giving to the russians too for sure but you are positive i'll give her it was the same answer to the little. well well well this is not very common for diplomats i know diplomats are predators of. russian observers russian newspaper russian experts they are see that taking sides in one side in the libyan conflict the side of libyan rebels in their war against gadhafi later has transparence the u.n. resolution which sanction only protection of civilians on the other hand nato says no we were we were trying to protect civilians whenever do you have examples when the nato forces actually pretty certain civilians from the oppositions for example

during the siege of our series of. the nato operation only five wars the un mandated operation of nato and there was a clear intention to protect people against military attacks of garfield gadhafi troops to prevent people from this to prevent and strew or boids civilian casualties and there seemed nato was very successful doing this i seen there was a clear mandate and we operated in the framework of this mandate so this was a very good operation and connects to a very good success the libya is free no and that is a good message for the people there now they have the opportunity to build up new structures and i hope democratic structures rule of law then work receive the

freedom of of speech of religions of everything i think that is what we intended to do and therefore i fully agree to that what nato made a you said you're a politician and you are not american which makes it easier for me to talk to you because americans there are sure that there is only one type of democracy and work until i receive europeans no there may be variations in democracy itself a question about libya. the cruel lynching of connecting the nearest graves in the barrack action that we saw on television in your very sorry are you sure that the regime that will be replacing the gulf is regime will be a democracy are you sure you will find in for the real cause i hope that people all people especially the young people. know the new situation and the new opportunity to build up a new structure they are community in their country to. be open now

for better perspectives of their life i just came back from tunisia. you see young people are open and and very. determined to go with this way to freedom to peace and to a better future with good education. they can only progress i think that we are asked. to help them if we are requested it isn't their real lucian it is their decision how to go to the future but it is up to us i speak now for the parliamentary assembly of data we are parliamentarians to assist them if we are requested in tunisia we were requested and they're asked for help for assistance so we wait now when the first election that took place they voted for a constituent assembly we will wait in egypt and then i will go to to

cairo and after that to leave you know and we will ask people what do you expect from us for the expectations for their future i think that we can assist them what do you mean when we say we will ask people you like it you deal with your hey you pull your book. glasses sunglasses you go and do three thing you are people are now we have no sunglasses you have all kind of iris as we speak to maybe in our parliamentarians if they are elected to speak to young terrorism exactly people you know the transition there is even one turns up people. represented the u.s. city politician we speak with young people with legally students we speak with journalists misspeak with with people from the community or from the science from from all aspects and i think we are stem that's can we do we will not give them our model of democracy if we ask what's really can do or how we can help how we can assist them and if we are requested we can assist as we have parliamentarians from

the eastern little form of europe they made the experience of transformation from one what all of society into another and so on if we are requested we will help and we will assist as far as i know germany was really supportive of the libyan operation including inside the book the stag of which you once we remember how would you explain that is it because it was germans. i generally sick and tired of wars i seemed that germany made a clear decision now to. enhance our efforts to build up new structures in the last phase no off libya we will assist people there and the same group will concentrate to the face now or after the lucero operation has finished after the military operation is finished clear her fear is not only used by the parliamentarians the problem within they say they are theories that sort of an al qaida aryan construction they come to power well i'd like to add secretaire few

warlords are going to start clashing with each other i cannot exclude this so we have to be very cautious but i know they're turned people off of expectations for a free future future in freedom and i seemed the best there what we can do is now to go they are to be engaged to a very early stage of development and to do our very best that these countries develop in a free future the new york times pointed out that i quote shortages in the european airlines intelligence gathering here craft aerial refueling tankers and precision guided kits for bombs proved the united states remains the backbone of any nato offensive and quelled would you agree that the libyan operation has exploited the over dependence of nato on u.s.

military force i think we have to think of lessons learned it's what arsenal calls them the ability and there's a lesson and we speak about the lessons we speak about how to enhance capabilities in the whole framework of nato what we can do more you know we are all under the pressure of the economic crisis all over the walls all the countries. fact it and so i think i fully agree to the policy or smart defense of secretary general rasmussen how to reduce cost without losing the power to fight for security and to enable us to make such important military operations so the minute is offense yes that means to bundle our efforts to reduce costs to schooling and sharing and to develop. special capabilities for one country and the others and by leaving this together i

think we have a good chance to reach our aim so common european defense is possible is a concept that you considering are a single nucleus. an intention to develop a european capability in the defense issue as part of nato capability. a libya also proved that i was a quote some of the reserve is that the leaders of some medium sized powers can be overthrown from a distance without putting boots on the ground by using weapons fired from sea head from air like a remote controlled war right this isn't it create a favorable environment for selling another war to lead a country that wants not really. you know what i'm saying so you know things are so so so so you so you think that that learning lessons from for what happened in

libya would be rather positive a positive process then then a dangerous negative process yes listen spurns means what is the experience of living of bands what should we do want especially under the aspect of pooling and sharing to develop their common capabilities to be able to master the challenges of the future well you were here in moscow you of course heard firsthand the russian response to the libyan operation and maybe not always very diplomatic do you think that after that in the present position the present state of mind russia would vote for a similar resolution on syria i don't think so but i have so little lesson learned . and so but so there is no situation but to shoot the boat for such a resolution that is not plans and therefore is saying there is no situation that russia must think of such

a result thank you thank you very much for being with us and being so frank and just a reminder that my guest today was karl lamb the president of the nato parliamentary assembly and the third pull out from all of us spotlight will be back with law and comment on what's going on in the world until then tail our teeth and take care thank you thank. you to. bringing you the latest in science and technology from the realms. of the future covered.

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