defied spotlight coming your way now. i will get a welcome to spotlight. them today my guest in the studio is carl blackburn. the world survey libyan leader muammar gadhafi is dead after nearly a year of violence he was captured and massacred by furious crowd now the dictator is gone and so is the nato support force the alliance tell downs of packing their bags back while the world speculates if the intervention was the right thing or not many say should not support the just one side of. find it premature to withdraw now when all of the good that the supporters are. so wouldn't have been reasonable

to stay and secure peace in the region for allied force has more important business to attend. to the president of the nato parliamentary assembly carl. one of the key points of the current nato strategy is to save guard democracy in the world when libya's gadhafi started to shell the rising opposition the alliance decided to intervene in just a few months because the new regime in the country taking almost no casualties the libya mission is now considered a model of a successful peacekeeping nato operation but many fear the alliance may assume the role of the world's policeman and start spreading democracy wherever it is design. is a privilege to have you in the studio thank you for coming thank you for the invitation ok well at first of all let's discuss the nature of russian matters since you're

here since you're in moscow well. one of the problem is in the relations between nato and russia is there is that list and she'll think yes well they loaned it steps to deploy in this town defense in europe and russia feels that you know discussing it with moscow well russia has labeled it i quote a policy of established facts that is what how russia calls this may sound deployment this isn't to provoke growing tension between the two countries which is the feel that i don't sing saw one of the intentions of our visit here at the parliamentary assembly of nato and of our very senor body of our assembly is to exchange views and to get a better understanding of each other and so one very important point is missile defense we spoke about this with surprise and terry and and we have the impression

that they understand where we will what we intend based on the summit is specially our friends from russia were invited to get in gauged in this system i think we all agree that threats missile threats are increasing and that we should do everything to cooperate in building up a system against. dangerous missile threats and so i think it was a good invitation. for the russians to get in gauged in the system and that means that we should cooperate and the first saying what i want to make very clear is that this is a very defensive not aggressive system that is not directed against your country but you are in white it to cooperate in building up a system with coordination with sharing of daters with the. sharing of

threat assessment to coordinate the systems we have and to lead this to a success at the benefit of us all this letter is as you understand you are not the first late so official that i have asking about the system and this is the answer i get all the time that this is a defensive thing it's not aimed against russia i know you say that you have lots of understanding with moscow on this issue right but on the other hand when everyone open the papers we see this is a very dangerous thing russia has to counter react so is it just like a sort of a propaganda thing like a war of words just for the press while you but when you sit over the table you have added standing or you feel that there is a list understanding of the russians maybe there is a little bit misunderstanding there is responsive and therefore we are here i think

that is a good culture to be in a good in an open dialogue and to exchange views to make clear what we want we face the same threats and saying it is good to cooperate is surfacing the same threats it is to bundle the efforts to bundle our power and i think in the meeting today maybe we got a little bit more access to our colleagues to make this clear and to tell them that it is better not to wait till we can agree on everything when we have the chance to agree on anything and that means not waiting for command and control something what is not possible to decide no but to take care of coordination and of bringing together data this we can share and i think that is

to be among. element ariens from nato countries from russia to bring a better understanding of that's what this system means there i've got a quote for you from the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov who is who is of course a diplomat he has always been very diplomatic and he's always been very moderate he's nothing like mr no you know he's very more you know listen to what he says he told a serb newspaper called the chair of the novice i quote mosco will have to take military technical measures if the u.s. and nato continue to ignore its position and quelled so what lover of who is a foreign minister saying that we will take military retaliation measures because u.s. nato is ignoring our position so no understanding are we facing announce raise here. we don't want an arms race we want cooperation we live in the

time when confrontation turns to cooperation and i give a good wise to your minister of foreign affairs mr lavrov to accept the invitation to be engaged and i think our principles are very clear that is transparency predictability cooperation and as much as russia is in gauged in the system i think we can dispel all misperceptions and misunderstandings we have turmoil one of the arguments i know russian diplomats have is that if this system can the damage russia as nato claims then then then what proves it if nato isn't ready to give legally binding guarantees to moscow this system cannot dummy's russia this is not directed against russia that is directed against common threats may be stretched against russia and against nato countries and if you will speak

about. legally. binding assurance i say this system is based on trust the system is based on confidence we can put it in writing you you can get it written but a sink if you look for an international treaty that is it will last a long time but that is not what is necessary and the don't know what this purpose should serve we should build up a system based on confidence on trust and as much as you are engaged in the system you know that there is no reason for mistrust you mean trust is more important than legal papers absolutely in such matters such a paper would be would be not worth the the nka that you spend it is that jerry saying trust and confidence are more important than letters ok now now from the papers and from the first reports from your meetings with the russian i get that

the russian side wants nato to provide noting legal guarantees that there is no threat to the fence but also the exact parameters of the system that russia wants to possess it's the number of interceptor missiles locations speed range and so when they say they tell is not providing them with that information is it true and if it is is it because because like there is a sort of a distrust like a traditional distrust of the military of both sides towards each other i sync we are politically were very open to deliver all datas not militarily politically militarily if we want to build up such a system if you speak about complementarity of two systems now or to work to bring them together icing the most important point now is to come to a common threat assessment to come to the data sharing and to coordinate the system so step by step we could and should develop the system and then i think we will

sort of process the. and that would dispel the misperceptions and the misunderstanding and the mistrust and if there is no confidence you cannot build up such a system and that was the spirit of response to do this in the spirit so it's not out of the question it is possible that if you feel trust you will provide russians will the information sure here ok russian deputy foreign minister said i quote he was commenting on nato is out of all this to create a joint missile defense with russia quote some countries are of the alliance say they cannot entrust their security to russia since the russian federation is not part of the collective system or defense we consider this logic old fashioned says russian deputy defense minister do you agree that the relations between the two blocs russia or russia on the one side in nato are really a bit old fashioned. are you saying we should not think in blocks in blocks i

think we are is that one vote notorious model bloc they thought is a is a political as a political military institution and organization we are not the bloc we are open for all who cooperate with us even for russia i remember and i told you oh and you all know that we have. russia nato council and on our parliamentary level we have a nato russia parliamentary committee and this is a format of twenty nine we speak on the same level we have a very open dialogue very open discussion our principle is transparency respect about everything and i think that is a spirit in which we must solve this problem and creates this very important system of missile defense that is to the benefit of us or says carl lammers president of the late holiday tree assembly spotlight will be back shortly after great so stay

where you are little continue this interview in a minute or. five hundred days on a voyage to the unknown. a breakthrough in space travel. returned from the red planet. mars five hundred touched down on r.t. . a very warm welcome to you this is your news today protesters on the wall street they have. ladies and gentlemen to choose to get good breaks the status of the human experiment because with. weeks

you will probably see this right here is what it. is allegedly trying to make sense of the economy and its arcane things as financial template. to meet a no confidence in markets and you don't want to be easing trade imbalances recession looks p.-p. nations close to collapsing us like loans close. to fail aaa banks again feel like think if the us crash and seven. teams just like ultimate clutches in the streets the i.m.f. spokespeople just programs increase the term economy. welcome back to spotlight i'm al green over and just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is karl lammers president of the nato

parliamentary assembly mr lammers well according to what you say according to your terms according that you're sitting here in front of me the relations between notes and russia are really better than they used to be more openness more trust so what but for the last couple of years the russian representative to know the best of russia mr me through was a guy who is a real hawk has always been a hard and he still is a hawk so my question to you why did it take a hawk in brussels to. start improving terrible h. i don't know what about a pseudo robot and very well he's a nice guy and i say here's a nice guy he is i want to know some very well he has the whole good as your arsenal but he knows very well what's going on in brussels he'll find severely open atmosphere and i think he will agree to that what i say let us be. he engaged together in this system that is work on the basis of transparency let us

work based on trust and confidence and i think we are going forward to a peaceful future let's hope so let's talk about international relations the middle east some leaders of the syrian opposition they they they've asked me to after they saw what happened in libya they're asking nato to to to use the same scenario in their country do you think this may happen no i'm quite sure that will not happen that is a totally different situation in syria than in libya there is no you on mandate there is no and so that was very important for the libya operation of nato. no request from arab league and i think there is no planning in the doing the same or something like this in syria a clear answer and a clear response from me so so so this is that was you giving to the russians to

sure that you are positive i guess that was society my answer to that all of that all of. well well well this is not very common for diplomats and i know diplomats are politician. russian observers russian newspaper russian experts they are see that taking sides in one side in the libyan conflict the side of libyan rebels in their war against gadhafi later has transparency the u.n. resolution which sanctioned only protection of civilians on the other hand nato says no we were we were trying to protect civilians whenever do you have examples when the nato forces actually protected civilians from the oppositions for example during the siege of our series. the nato operation unified protect your unmandated operation of nato and. there was a clear intention to protect people against military attacks of god duffy and

gadhafi troops to prevent people from this to prevent and to avoid civilian casualties and they're seeing nato was very successful doing this icing there was a clear mandate and we operated in the framework of this mandate so this was a very good operation and connects to a very good success that libya is free no and that is a good message for the people they are now they have the opportunity to build up new structures and i hope democratic structures rule of law democracy freedom of speech of religion of everything i think that is sport we intended to do and therefore i fully agree to that what nato made a you said you're a politician and you are not american which makes it easier for me to talk to you because americans there are sure that there is only one type of democracy and merican democracy europeans know there may be variations in democracy itself

a question about libya. the cool lynching of to death in the mass graves the barbaric action that we started television mean you both we saw it are you sure that the regime that will be replacing qaddafi's regime will be a democracy are you sure you will find in for the real cause. i hope that people all people especially the young people use know the new situation and the new opportunity to build up a new structure and they are community in their country to. be open for better perspectives of their life i just came back from tunisia. you see young people open and and very. determined to go this way to freedom to peace and to a better future with good education. economic progress i think

that we are asked. to help them if we are requested it is their rebel lucian it is their decision how to go to the future but it is up to us and i speak now for the parliamentary assembly of data we are parliamentarians to assist them if we are requested in tunisia we were requested and they're asked for help for assistance so we wait now when the first election that took place they voted for a constituent assembly we will wait in egypt and then i will go to to cairo and after that's to libya and we will ask people what do you expect from us they are full of expectations for their future i'm certain that we can assist them what do you mean when we say we will ask people you like he deal with you here you put your black. glasses sunglasses you go into the street and you are people are now we have no sunglasses you have iris and we will speak to maybe in the

a parliamentarian if they are elected you speak to young terrorism exactly people you know the politicians those in london turns are people. there are people that are presented to the u.s. so there politician we speak with young people which we agree students we speak with john of this respect with we have people from the community and from the science from from all aspects and i think we are stem what can we do we will not give them our model of democracy we asked what we can do or how we can help how we can assist them and if we are requested we can assist as we have parliamentarians from the eastern little form of europe they made the experience of transformation from one model of society into another and so if we are requested we will help and we will assist as far as i know germany was really supportive of the libyan operation including inside the bundestag of which you once were remember how would

you explain that is it because it because germans. i generally sick and tired of wars i think that germany made a clear decision now to. enhance our efforts to build up new structures in the fost phase now off libya we will assist people there and they are saying we will concentrate to the face now or after the military operation has finished after that military operation is finished do you have fears not only used by the parliamentarians the politicians within they say do you have fears that sort of an al qaida aryan to structures may come to power or like all like anti could a few warlords are going to start clashing with each other i cannot exclude this saw we have to be very cautious but i know that people are full of expectations for free future future and freedom and i think the best of what we can do is now to

go they are to be engaged to a very early stage of development and to do our very best that these countries develop in a free future the new york times pointed out that i quote shortages in the european l ides intelligence gathering here craft aerial refueling tankers and precision guided the kits for bombs proved the united states remains the bag of any nato offensive and quelled would you agree that the libyan operation has exploded the over dependence of nato on u.s. military force. i sink we have to think for lessons who learns what our sample lesson the ability of there's a lesson and we speak about the lessons we speak about how to enhance capabilities in the whole framework of nato what we can do more you know we are all under the pressure of the economic crisis all over the walls all the countries.

affected and so i think i fully agree to the policy or smart defense of secretary general rasmussen how to reduce cost without losing the power to fight for security and to enable us to make such important military operations so that the money in this defense yes that means to bundle our efforts to reduce costs to pooling and sharing and to develop. special capabilities for one country and the us us and by leading this together i think we have a good chance to reach our aim so common european defense is possible is a concept that you considering are you saying that it is. an intention to develop a european. capability in the defense issue as part of of nato

capability. a libya also proved that i was a quote some of the observers that the leaders of some medium sized powers can be overthrown from a distance without putting boots on the ground by using weapons fired from sea and from air like a remote controlled war right there isn't it create a favorable environment for selling another war to another country that wants democracy. no i don't think so you know things are so so so so you so you think that that learning lessons from for what happened in libya would be rather a positive a positive process then than a dangerous negative process yes lessons learned means what is the experience from leaving out of and what should we do especially under the aspect of pooling and sharing to develop their common capabilities to be able to master

the challenges of the future while you were here in moscow you of course heard firsthand the russian response to the libyan operation and maybe not always very diplomatic do you think that after that in the present position the present state of mind russia would vote for a similar resolution on syria i don't think so. another lesson learned. but so there is no situation that's a sort of vote for such a resolution that is not planned and therefore i think there is no situation that russia must stink of such a result thank you thank you very much for being with us and being so frank and just a reminder that my guest today was carl clamored president of the nato parliamentary assembly and the third pullout from all of us here spotlighted will be back with more and comment after what's going on in the world until then tail r.t. and take care thank you thank you.

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