you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for life you think you understand it and then you blame something else you hear see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture. book. i'm lauren this for.

the police corruption of. stuff that nobody seems to know. that never appropriate a face but hardly argument that they're being overly dramatic. i did sign for show in seattle on tonight's program last week we discussed the general strike that shut down the port of oakland very often times in the city but we ask you at home if shutting down everything is an effective tool for the demonstrators and if not what would you recommend the protesters do to make their

voices heard so let's go to producer trees in a sense we find out what you have to say. last week protesters at occupy oakland called for a general strike shutting down the port of oakland the nation's fifth largest port so occupy oakland stated that they were marching on the porch to stand in solidarity with long shore workers a union spokesperson came out saying we are definitely not calling for a strike but some working people complained that they couldn't afford to lose money and i tough economy and the shutdown came with its fair share of controversy with reports of vandalism plaguing a largely peaceful protest so was a general strike an effective tool for the movement to any viewers have any better ideas to get their voices heard well dominic said let's be honest make yourself heard but don't stop others from conducting business or getting home to their kids you can put your brights ahead of others you can see him told us not only should this have been done sooner but it should spread through every entreprise rally until the whole country comes to a standstill so stand one agrees saying general strikes are great way to get

attention now as for other ideas i spend said they need to inform people there are ways to fix problems in the existing system saying this is simmons broken does not spread hope and philip told us he would like to see a political party for the ninety nine percent labor party that rejects corporate money so was the shutdown of the oakland harbor a good strategy for the movement while the mayor of oakland fought so calling it a good day for the ninety nine percent even though police arrested in tear gas does it the end of the day the protesters did manage to shut down the nation's busiest port based on your comments that's only a small part of what needs to be done in a much bigger strategy. now as always thank you for your responses and here's our next question for you or the show we spoke about the growing wealth divide between the young and the old but some people say those numbers are misleading so what do you think is there a real divide between generations to be concerned about or something trumped up to create an intergenerational warfare you can respond to us on facebook twitter and

you tube and you know his response just might mean. now elections are under way in mississippi today and the truly insane at personhood amendments is being voted on as we speak and it's called initiative twenty six and legislation defines a fertilized egg as a person so legally it's totally incoherent the most terrifying part of it all is that there is a fifty fifty chance it will pass with the support of both gubernatorial candidates democrat and republican now some people like her and governor haley barbour have expressed their doubts about this measure. about szabo the ramification gold in vitro fertilization. pregnancies were great you. should have followed. right but there. are figures show you. but at the end of the day even barber with his doubts admitted to voting in favor of the initiative be an absentee ballot pretty pathetic

so what does bill actually mean for the state and for our country as a whole well it's an obvious attack on women's reproductive rights but labeling eggs a human with rights carries a lot more legal issues with the title for starters initiative twenty six would make any form of contraception illegal but also make o.b.-g.y.n. z. even mothers more susceptible to civil and criminal lawsuits so should anything happen to the fetus say before the woman even know she's pregnant a woman could periodically be charged with murder now actual legislation is only two lines long there are several problems with labeling eggs a person as the huffington post today with the personhood amendment affects voter destructing after all that many more people will be added to voting districts if you have to count unborn babies but about tax forms should a woman be able to label her fetus as a dependent even before it's born and how will this affect current social programs or government assistance like welfare and frankly nobody knows because and no laws like this have been made before and the worst part is the people who are backing

this initiative are aware of the legal mess that it's going to carry with it but they say go ahead and they'll wait and see how the state government figures out how to rule on each problem that might then a rise in the personhood amendment but i'm going to take a moment to pause and ask what my hell is going on with this country month after month we hear about social issues that become legally dubious ballot measures all pushed by fringe right wing organizations and now mississippi the religious wing nuts are working so hard at this pro-life bill and they don't even care about the impact of the current wording of the personhood amendment would have our doctors women the government even taxpayers in general for all common sense out the window there's a moral war to be waged give me a break. now you could say that it's a big day for privacy at the supreme court after a spate of different rulings across the country on whether or not the feds can attack can try to attach g.p.s. tracking devices to a person's vehicle without a warrant one case finally making it to the supreme court cases of anton jealous of former club owner in washington d.c.

who police suspected of running a drug raid and police actually did obtain a warrant in that case but they place a tracker on a jones his car after the warrant expired and then monitors activities for a month now question here is the fourth amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure the justice department argues that you have no expectation of privacy in a public space and g.p.s. trackers much like beeper is attached to cars which the supreme court has already ruled on or police physically tailing a suspect they think that only monitors your movements and public g.p.s. technology just makes it much easier to do but some justices today already seem to signal they're on ease of the idea just as briar for example said that if the government wins the case there is nothing to prevent the police or government from monitoring twenty four hours a day every citizen of the united states and followed up with sounds like one thousand nine hundred or so could this case be a game changer or is it just a drop in the bucket when it comes to the constant surveillance by both private and public actors and discuss this with mr lee and sanchez a research fellow at the cato institute joined thanks so much for being here

tonight i was going to be so i'm curious as to what is it you think of some of these arguments in terms of well if you're driving in your car then you're in a public space and you know you don't have any reasonable right to privacy and it's just like the cops telling you if you buy that i mean no i don't think that's a fair analogy don't obviously but this is very different this is a technology that allows monitoring on a scale as the appeals court that originally ruled this you can strip search and it really wouldn't be feasible i mean it's expensive to have numerous cars someone over time and you have to keep swapping cars in and out to make sure you don't lose them to make sure it's not obvious the same cars following a person and it certainly. for any police department anywhere in the world to follow hundreds or thousands of people at the same time when you talk about the advanced methods of the apology. used to track people now which is not just g.p.s. tracking devices but methods like cell phone tracking or other kinds of satellite tracking or even aerial drones these are mothers because basically used to track

the entire population so isn't part of the problem in this case because there is maybe some chance that they're not actually going to rule on whether they actually need the warrants or not i think the justice alito threw that out there today but isn't part of the reason why it's so important is because we want to be able to know whether the authorities are using these g.p.s. tracking devices too often whether they're abusing the right because there is no record at this point yeah but you know you're probably huge probably that actually a lot of that is for judges of rays which is that because there are new reporting requirements for these kinds of surveillance we actually have no we don't have any wiretaps that are going to year but we have no idea how often the police use this technology to thought was someone on their cell phone or follow one thousand people on their cell phone or ask the phone company to tell them everyone who is at a particular place at a particular time it's a total black box now one of the things that i find interesting to you which i guess you could really expand upon here is so that the government is arguing that this is something that is public and so just because you have

a new technology that's arise you can make something that was once public or private as if you think that's an issue that we're going through as we become more reliant certain technologies we start depending on our cell phone our smart phone our car for everything that we want more privacy for where we once didn't have it so it is worth noting that right is they don't you does make a difference you're right the fact that someone is moving around in public as observed visually is something that's already public g.p.s. signals emitted by you know a secret device implanted in your car is actually not something that's public the argument is well ok that's not public we don't all voluntarily admit g.p.s. signals that we think anyone can intercept but it's the same as being. but it is worth noting that they're observing actually a very nonpublic thing here and just trying to make an analogy to a public thing but it doesn't fit right there's lots of things we do in public that we expect to be private if we walk down a crowded street having a quiet whispered conversation you know it might be that any one passing might hear a meaningless second of the conversation but we also understand that we have reason

to expect that our whole conversation as we walk if we don't see someone you know walking up close behind us isn't going to be overheard so if someone uses for example a long distance mike to pick up that conversation they're violating our expectation of privacy even though we happen to be in a public space and there's you know lots of ways you can move around in public places that you know it's a public space but you don't think you're being observed you don't think your pattern of behavior over time certainly is being observed in a way that reveals who you associate with you know what church you go to whether you attend a eg yeah you're driving in a public street but normal people you know who are followed physically on the street by the same person for a month twenty four hours a day call the police because like the stalker. i don't get it that's that's too that's a technology change they're going to be watching out the street somebody behind you tweeting everything that you're saying to your friend. never doubt about it until it's too late it's worth noting a lot of states have already passed legislation basically to make it illegal for a private citizen to do this kind of thing you know to have someone you're

interested in just like a little bug on their vehicle and i think that's a pretty good tax rate if this is just like being watched in public how come so many states are passing laws that say no it's actually not at all like that and we don't think private citizens should be able to do it and if we think it's creepy and you know wrong on private citizens do it then it's probably something the police should get a warrant for all right i want to compare this to. we're talking about when you're driving on the street when you're watching on the street what about when you're on the internet right because if you carry it this is this sounds like one thousand nine hundred four and they realize the fact that well you know yes my actions are being tracked probably by the government or by law enforcement at some point but they're also being tracked by a lot of these types of lines and mark zuckerberg gave an interview to charlie rose where he made. they said if you look at companies whether it's google yahoo or microsoft search engines and ad networks they also have a huge amount of information about you it's just that they're collecting data about you behind your back they're collecting this huge amount of information about who you are but you never know that so he's trying to obviously defend facebook because they get a lot of flack for it but do you think that relates here in terms of our expectations

of privacy at all interested in the well with them and i don't think it is i mean it might you might be used to make a basis of an argue about the kind of bribes you will expect being the fourth amendment regulates the government not private parties and you know congress is sort of perfectly politically regulating private parties more you know i think the issues there are typically better dealt with by people themselves trying to find their own ways to keep themselves as private or as public as they want and we need a whole range of technological methods you can use i use to make it difficult for third party sites to observe me if i don't want to be observed and there's not a whole lot you can do you know i mean there's no browser plug in that will stop the police from putting a secret bug on your car or making the phone company give you all your cell records you know there's a lot of things i can do to stop google from tracking me all right now lastly unfortunately i have to wait a while until the supreme court actually rules on this in the meantime people are

still getting tracked wired reported today the guy in california just found two devices on his truck but if you have to take a guess i mean isn't this an issue that both conservatives and liberal justices could kind of agree on the most amazing thing about this is if you look at the list of amicus briefs it is like i mean it is a bizarre cats and dogs living together who's who of groups that you would never expect to be together the cato institute filed an amicus brief the a.c.l.u. . foundation gun owners of america i mean left right everyone basically is is on the side i think of privacy in this case it's a it's a it's a funny moment in an era given the supreme court rules that way to you and thanks so much for doing this today was a pleasure. now sort of how come your immigration status should be checked before you get any medical care that prominence that congressmen are full time towards and i also had happy hour for obama inside posy doing a little trash talking on the t.v. was the obsession of ron paul now includes

a half calendar after some months. i . was there the police corruption it. was like what a protester nobody seems to know. but never a pepper sprayed the face right part of the argument that they're being overly dramatic. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so poorly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and here's the other part of it and realize that everything is ok. i'm charging the big.

blow to the capital account i'm lauren lyster. guys it's time for tides tool time award and tonight goes to iowa congressman another public and has a long history of bigoted comments directed towards undocumented immigrants living here in the u.s. after two thousand and six while speaking on the house floor about a border fence between the u.s. and mexico he said he thought it should be electric saying we do this to livestock all the time now fast forward a couple. years and representative king is still if he calls ever this week congressman king is touring i went with a value voters bus and he was asked a few questions by our friends over at think progress as answers were frankly pretty unbelievable herb were asked about his tough new immigration law has gone

too far require schools and check the status of all children and forces you to lety companies to shut off water to homes they don't provide proper immigration papers and this was his response. forty one to the status would be to be if you can be legally in the united states the leader of the being the leader of the police officers she's putting on the screen see why are you here what are you doing for us we will. only get to the point where the she'll you can take the position you want first to get your. first little confused about where exactly steve king grew up sounds to me like he was in a police state i have news for steve king just because someone's walking down the street police officers don't have the right to ask you twenty questions is not law enforcement's job to know who you are what you're doing at all times in fact it's the opposite of a nation based on laws to protect our civil liberties laws to limit search and search and she's caesar's excuse me for reason and nobody in the u.s.

has to carry their immigration papers with them at all times no matter what the color of their skin is i think progress then followed up to find out what records of the king thought would be too far and terms of asking people questions about their immigration status and so you can think that that's one. of the reasons that. i don't know why they would pick arguments in you. so congressman king doesn't understand why would be too far to ask for somebody's status at a hospital before they receive treatment or let's think about that for just one second what that would actually look like how many people would die immediately are waiting on treatment while some florida court tries to find out if they're here illegally how many people would die because they didn't feel safe getting treatment for fear of being turned into immigration authorities you know it amazes me how hateful the g.o.p. ideology has become when it comes to immigration issues specifically yes we need comprehensive immigration reform here in the u.s. but the fact is that there are people who are currently undocumented living in the

united states it's a human issue but in steve king world those people being made to live in more fear they already do left to die and hospital waiting rooms or too fearful to even go to the hospital to begin with and that's not a country that i think most americans want to live in so their congressman steve king a wanting to quiz people about their immigration status at hospitals before treatment he gets a nice full time award. i guide him for happy hour and joining me this evening is lauren lyster host of capital account on r.t.e. and conservative journalist kevin glass thanks for joining me guys thank you for having our first story here i guess i'm assuming there is consensus the editors of one band that could be called the lamest band of all time it's this one.

all right so for anybody who isn't aware sorry that i had to force you to listen to that but that's nickelback and so they're supposed to be playing the halftime show for the detroit lions on thanksgiving day when the most anticipated home games of the season but already there's a petition out there with forty three thousand signatures asking producers to reconsider and it says detroit is home to so many great musicians and they chose nickel to have as anyone even like nickelback is this is sort of ploy to get people to leave their seas during halftime to spend money on alcoholic beverages and concessions it's completely unfair to those of us who purchase tickets to the game at least the people watching at home. oh my god i love this story because when i saw it on twitter this morning i thought oh maybe nickelback like something that people protest to like they played in a country that they didn't approve of or whatever i didn't realize that there was

widespread loathing of nickelback because they i always hated nickelback i felt that solidarity that was really what people were protesting just that they aren't good now they were right they say off it is going on for half an hour let's be honest here detroit is motown you know it's the home of a great musical tradition and having nickelback a canadian band come down into detroit to play this you know it just doesn't make any sense you know they've produced stevie wonder they're aretha franklin and even if you want to go modern there i mean adam and kid rock for example i wrote off of not i was a great musician feared rock with the you know a welcome addition and he have time to really friendly now even mitt romney usually . as entrance music. is his ways but nickelback sorry. that's just her thing because they're so good too because they weren't like you know on anything really you know fundamental they were just like what is it it's not even rock n roll it's some like horrible mix those are you know last time around the initial turn iraq it's that. home on the radio and my dad

likes to you know it just doesn't belong there you got to tell somebody about. ok through our next story right there is the really cheap airline that you can you know fly around europe now i believe they're making a charge for toilets of a kind of you know they differ in terms of what they offer to the people of the cheap seats and for those that want to pay more here's an older clip of their c.e.o. actually talking about some of those differences. to be business class and economy . and you can reach out to be very cheap i mean you said can you reach across the atlantic but it has to be very expensive so when you claim me as a chief sea change you know that it is a city b. it's and be a jobs. there's no jobs well you know you find out carpet kind of clothes what he wants to offer is a paper view service so there's an app of people have i pods that they can watch porn on the plane. some people were very. disturbed by this in our

early morning meeting i don't know if they're the big deal is because i mean the man is an innovator ryanair is an incredibly low cost airline anyone who's spent time in europe knows that you know it's five pounds for a ticket to go from london to italy and you know he said that he wants to take out all but one toilet on the plane and then as you mentioned charge people to use it he's trying to survive in the i guess a very competitive airline economy i didn't even know this technology existed i don't know you know how they're coming up with it you could already have korean downloaded on your i pad no one's going to stop you so if you're able to buy it on a plane as long as you have your phones and keep your hands on your pants and if you want to keep your cancer cells what's the big deal the bottom line is that it's working for them they've been profitable are doing well they're going time when airlines are totally suffering so these tactics are working they also offered berlusconi they were he was he was that based on their ads for the ninety nine fares for him to be able to get out italy now was going to take him up on it now he's resigning i flown ryanair it was

a pretty miserable experience but maybe it will be next door and it will be with you know and so we brought this up earlier in the show there you know there is audio of this at reporters heard a little something between president obama and sarkozy and barack obama and nicolas sarkozy are now being quoted from a conversation they had about israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu the exchange was overheard at the g. twenty summit sarkozy reportedly said of netanyahu quote i can't stand him anymore he's a liar president obama then responded you may be sick of him but me i have to deal with him every day journalists who overheard the remarks at first agreed not to repeat them but the comments were published in israeli newspapers. you know. i always kind of like to know that politicians actually my have a little bit of a sense of humor that they this isn't that you want obviously to be recorded and for the public to know but just like joe biden saying i think deal i like to see

a little bit of human you know humanity in that role and at least this is a little bit more highbrow they're talking about world leaders and world policy as opposed to what we hear in u.s. congress where they're bantering about golf it's a little bit of a kind of high school gossipy thing it's kind of you know when your coworker comes to you at the water cooler and says i don't like working with ben he's kind of a jerk you know and in politics are taught to treat every mike as if it's a hot night because you don't know what's going to be turned on you don't know who's going to be listening and i don't i call that obama's was just trying to defuse sort cosey so that you could walk away from the situation just say you know oh yeah i have to deal with it with netanyahu as well you know but i'm not obviously agreeing an apology i'm like oh there you and i are going all the time to be honest kind of it. but you know yet the first rule of politics just assume your mixer hyphenate i'll get you no one listens to it provides great fodder for us to joke about. ok very. obama had

a really hot obamacare i think for this. i am. still signed. ron paul vallas has a calendar of his fans and they say in this battle for the hearts minds and souls of men and women i think our best weapon may in fact be sweet persuasions of that and i think we have a ball going on earth where you think of it when you buy those plates on your lawn i mean let's be honest libertarians are known for having a little bit more of a fun loving than the average republican and so these women obviously want to be raising money for ron paul for using his campaign profile and you know they're going for it they're going to have some fun some other they were dave's or not answer the question i mean to reporters debate all right laura i'm so sorry i already have a guys thanks so much for joining me tonight it's

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