we have the most expensive health care system in the world and it's probably valued the least. oh i'm tom hartman in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture voters all across the country flock to the polls yesterday to overturn a radical conservative agendas of the state level so is the g.o.p. ready to cry uncle and the obama administration's record breaking number of deportations has torn apart families and left thousands of children in foster care other details of the wrong breaking new report me just have the answers to these girls and later who needs reality when you can just make up the truth here's a hint the republican congressman is pretty reckless.

it's wednesday night so to kick things off i'm going to bring in my panel of experts conservative commentary commentators for a weekly low liberal rumble on our panel tonight colony's senior editor online editor of the daily caller and brian darling column columnist at human events contributor you have such a once in a red state dot com big government dot com director of government studies at the heritage foundation and also a guy who occupied occupy wall street and brought me the t. shirt i did i was there last friday a cool i can play as a cody this is a report that was great so welcome guys glad to have you with us you are back what all around the nation yesterday. and the recent. you know virginia went republican

way eighty three votes and obamacare didn't do all it well on a high oh except that it was never identified as such on the ballot but everything else looked pretty interesting in ohio overwhelmingly they said to john pays it out not out but no no no more cut up unions in maine the voters restored same day voter registration i still don't get why republican vote by reply republicans don't want people to vote down in mississippi they say fetuses aren't people and on top of the whole thing brussel pierce the guy who came up with some of the ten seventy and you know made his. made his chops trashing immigrants got to go to red out of office in arizona so why do republicans. still hang on to this agenda or why why do your believe you know it seems like you know try twelve is going to be a good one. i would say so i mean those are indications look at the last election

no was a bloodbath for democrats democrats lost over sixty seats in the house they lost the bunch seats in the senate governorships over six hundred seats in state legislators right because i think because nobody was paying attention everybody figured. this let's go back unless you will pay attention to these these elections that are off year that aren't presidential election years this is something that a lot of people did show up to vote in ohio to repudiate obamacare and and they did vote in the states and they know to to. be repudiated obamacare but this is two states that have gone on record repudiating obamacare a vote of the people if you will of the folk in this incident it was this is a fight as you said it was not of them and any of it good and in fact it is a very reason i said would you like them to put obamacare on the ballot the word obamacare would that have helped well i think actually would have i don't think that you would have gotten that but that that you know there was not as sure brown was asked about this is that there was nobody advocating for there was not one single commercial that said vote no on three when you look so that that that was

a non-issue is that when you look at ohio's issue two when you look at ohio in this collective bargaining law which the people decided that they weren't interested in gun casings policies what you have is junkies are first of all who decided to go big early this is his first year and he tried to go big on a lot of things very quickly including trying to change collective bargaining rules in the state in an effort to shore up his state's finances and it was all ins and as a result you had the unions and basically the what happened is an example for casey of how much power unions have in that state by three our margin howard by a three to one margin all of the unions i've outspent the proponents of keeping cases you have the place you know i do know that no we don't it's impossible to know that because the citizens united we have no idea how much dark money was spent but we knew unions are required by law to disclose their expenditures because they are transparent organizations and the democratic institutions and what karl rove's organization and the koch brothers organizations all these other fronts. they're not required by law to disclose anything so it's easy for parties on

a neither side of this issue the chief reported tonight is a decision paid twenty four million dollars to get to get this thing knocked down and eight million dollars was the amount that was spent in an effort to keep it officially short i think however you want to classify it as helena those are the facts i would be a state it demonstrates the power of the union was absolutely there yet it doesn't start clean on this i mean you can say what you want about citizens united but we're the unions could all this money forced union dues and this comes from the taxpayers this is all taxpayer money being poured into these public unions that's a terrible name. it's just down to the they do get their name they they are paid from taxpayer money that's accurate unions are democratic institutions people choose their leaders people choose whether or not to be a member of the right and this is going to half of the members of the union say no we don't want to have the new union get certified or in this case that is not the case in this case john case is going after not private but public unions and their unions that exist by virtue of the majority their member saying we want this union

using taxpayer dollars to fund they're not using taxpayer dollars they are using their own paychecks they're giving out money from the federal the i'm sorry to say taxpayers pay into the system right in the money you had told him though he said all of our dollar this is like saying oh you know there's there's there's there's urine in this water because you know fifty years ago in some ocean some place of fish peat and it's been through spy filtration system is that right i mean no filtration it goes right to the individual from not speak of hate chip right but who are getting paid and employed by the state it doesn't matter of the proximity of taxpayer dollars to these unions it's a lot closer than fish from fifty years ago being in our in our water i mean there's just there's about five episodes let's move in missoula montana seventy five percent of the voters so be supported in a moment to strip corporations of their personal. last weeks a measure passed overwhelmingly in boulder i'm assuming you guys are familiar with corporations are people money isn't speech the supreme court. to differ so why are

republicans on board. first of all i wouldn't say as missoula goes america goes i don't think missoula is going to any stretch an example of average america i mean it's a lot so you have you really think that when mitt romney says corporations are people that that's something that's going to sell in the election but what you're doing is this this ballot initiative was tricked i think people to vote for it stated the fact corporations are people they may be treated as people for the purposes of the first moment but a corporation is not a person that should dearly to act as a people for purposes the first amendment they're not they're not citizens that are voters in fact most of these corporations in america are now reincorporated on the caymans that's how mitt romney may have his money was reincorporated his corporations in the cayman or in the burmese are in because of the you don't you don't believe in government controlled speech we believe in freedom of speech let the ideas from individuals from individuals and corporations corporations make up made a budget legal section it's and you don't have individuals it's a legal fiction it is not made up of individuals it's

a good legal document grants right in terms of the wording of this thing to be able to say the corporations aren't people is basically true or false and started eating the i mean produce it right now clearly you're absolutely right that on that point that's exactly right but when it comes to legal distinctions we create all sorts of legal distinction is to protect liabilities people from corporations so i mean this is just this is just kind of a silly just a silly vote entirely unfair because it's not a silly about it all doesn't represent any friend amendment right to speak no elections no no no you say you could stop a government could say unions you cannot run any ads and they are not in my opinion person's you but you just said that you know his represent the ideals of all these people that are getting together i mean you just made the argument on the have exactly and i think that if you did it for individuals for individuals and if you were to say all forms of corporations whether they be nonprofit corporations like end user for profit corporate corporations like you know g.e. or the koch brothers they're not the. sorry and so then you end up with david koch

saying how it is you know the zillions of employees you must go to certain way in the go era i don't think so and the union which is you know at least fifty one percent of people voted for the right and they're putting their punch card back that shows how they voted is that right is that i think i think it would work better for the unions any are a few weeks again and twelve is going to turn into a pumpkin right they're going to run into their deadline and want to have trillion dollars they've got to cut out the deficit republicans are already trying to sabotage the process democrats aren't happy with it either but john john to me or pad to me rather john mccain have this little plan you guys i'm sure know about this is that some moderate or rural realities you want to pretty up front about of that make sure the gang of twelve fails to reach a deal right you know we will not but and say go online go on record saying you know we won't vote if there's if there's increased taxes in this thing then come up with legislation to prevent the automatic triggers in the in the apartment defense cuts in department found so that their buddies in the defense industry don't get hurt and then under this scenario the reagan bush deficit problem is still there

average working people across the country are still screwed this is what republicans call a victory are you saying that politics at the politics of contention is somehow anti-american or unpatriotic i mean these guys want to see a process done but the fact is i don't think so you don't think that they're declaring upfront where they're no go zone is and that involves raising taxes they want to find ways to do it outside of that i think it's reasonable that that politicians come forth with principles in terms of this is my baseline but operate some of they voted for when they put this thing together was that everything was on the table with tax so it will be did put revenues on the table they put three hundred billion over ten years of revenues on the table i disagree with that i think that's a big mistake but they didn't but that is something that is putting tax increases on the table now i think it's a mistake you probably think it's a mistake if democrats answer with entitlement reforms and i think conservatives and liberals agree that this is a system this is probably not going to work out because the left isn't going to a lot of democrats agree to entitlement reform. conservatives like me are could

allow these guys for increased taxes it's a doomed to process it is it absolutely is i think and and it's you know frankly unless somebody has the courage to stand up and do it ronald reagan did seven times nine times raised taxes which he regretted a comma he regretted you delivered me last year he was in office his deficit reduction deal he leisurely said here you are at office he raised taxes but he said i trusted that we were going for the tax increases i agreed to was going to the deficit reduction and it just never happened and there's an immense focus here in this process on military cuts all of a sudden because it's a state that's coming because one it's the fact are going to be crazy as we did is we decrease end strength because we're pulling out of multiple wars and in the process you also have this this focus on military benefits of the president's now pushing this idea of small businesses getting tax incentives for hiring veterans a noble idea but what veterans might not realize is on the other hand the super committee is focused on cutting their benefits so i mean i think the whole thing is just going to go to the next and the next congresses and the next congress is going

to say you know screw it we're not going to go with any of this anyway so ok herman cain. herman cain is you know fox news is coming to his defense and they're basically saying you know what was this woman doing in this car with a spin how dare she i mean this this literally was one of the comments on the fox commentator made a couple days ago when the cain campaign put out this long press release talking about this woman's financial history that has long troubled history i mean down to the down to the penny and all that kind of thing and of what that is because think we've got a graphic. there it is right there and you know it's like here's here's all her personal finances and here's an all about her life and so is the message the fox news and herman cain are now sending that powerless women should not be in the company of powerful men the message is that when you going to be able to if you launch an accusation of somebody especially an accusation you not only damage the potential for them to pursue their ends in this case he must become president united states and also damage his reputation in the long term so cain of course has

an obligation to defend these allegations defend himself against these allegations and then also means vetting the women who are making these accusations i think that's kind of a reasonable thing i'm speaking to the quote to. which is what was this woman doing in this car with it if brian and i are friends and and you're looking for a job and brian knows me and knows that i'm hiring and he says hey vince says he says to me mate i want to have dinner with vince and talk about a job nobody going to think twice about if you're a female and we do then according to fox there's something wrong with that but if you're a male and we're all straight guys then there's nothing wrong right that seems to me like a bizarre double stick but does being a female preclude you from having the opportunity to actually have your statements vetted i don't party just box no it's not that you're saying the opposite thing they're going to the point is that being a woman somehow clad gives her this victimhood status instantly according to your analysis that well this is and this is the equivalent of she should have worn that

or else she should have been in the car with this guy this is what he is going to say he said she said that really the bottom of this story still hasn't been gotten no i'm not talking. about the charges you know up to let's give hurricane the benefit of the doubt sure why the hell is fox news saying she shouldn't have been in the car with him or she shouldn't have and what was what was this one having doing having dinner with a married man what she's looking for a job you know i think to play the clip or show me the quote but i can tell you that it's reasonable to vet all the parties in this case and not just let her we change and this guy have been vetted i mean he's he's got to serve it right now it's not going so well. you know you got that ok last question for it wasn't the bunga bunga parties that brought him down and that it was the economic crisis facing italy but still silvio berlusconi is resigning as prime minister as soon as the government has a new budget law or at least so he says so what's next for the billionaire media mogul who has a thirst for younger women will he aid take over herman cain's old jobs person the national restaurant association b go back to being

a cruise ship lounge singer yes that's how he did start out or see become a consultant for victoria's secret i think we can't run a company because he ran his own country into the ground it's much like john corazon i don't know why anybody would trust him to run anything i don't think anybody is going to trust ehrlich's berlusconi to run run a. mcdonald's play what. i really you know with these this land singer idea sounds about right mehta fact coming into this i thought maybe maybe cruise director you know there be somebody who can just be the life of the party there you go and i have much more access to anything else that might be my answer you could be headed for prison since he has an immunity for all crimes he's committed is when he's in office but that immunity runs out when he's out of office where these laws that he got passed no more bunga bunga parties time for bubble parties if not now it's a bit. sprint thank you thank you tom thank you for. coming out the recent nationwide crackdown on illegal immigration is that in some dire consequences for a group who truly are innocent bystanders the details are just in the.

drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to didn't break through and through to people made who can you trust no one who is you in view with the global machinery see where are we heading state controlled capitalism is called sackfuls when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more.

thanks to alabama's radical new anti immigration law elementary school students are now being racially profiled of the daughter of sin they all gonzales an american citizen who was given a pamphlet at school to take home pamphlet written in spanish outlined the state's new anti immigration law when mr gonzales went to the school to ask the principal why his daughter was singled out to receive the ampler he was told they were given out to all students who quote looked like they were from here and quote. tragically thousands of elementary school children including many american citizens have skipped school in alabama since the law went into effect afraid that they will be racially profiled in the classroom and possibly even separated from their parents

who may end up in a for profit prison this isn't the worst of thanks to the recent crackdown on illegal immigration across america thousands of children who are american citizens are being ripped from their mothers and fathers and thrown into foster care to grow up our anti immigration laws are literally tearing families apart so why is this happening for more on this rinku son joins me she's the executive director at the applied research center and publisher of color lines dot com rico welcome thank you so much tom thank you so much for joining us fascinating study and great report you all did one of the most emotionally damaging and lifelong scarring things that can happen to a child is to be ripped away from their parents how is it that this is happening here in the united states. well it's really happening because we've got the convergence of historic levels of detention and deportation of immigrants both the people who are here without papers unauthorized immigrants and also non-citizens

who get caught up in the criminal justice system in some way so we've got historic levels of detention and the partition and at the same time we have child welfare departments that don't really have any consistent policies for addressing the needs of families that might be caught up in immigration enforcement so when a kid is in the child welfare system and his or her parent is in immigration detention that mother or father cannot do any of the things that the child welfare department requires them to do in order to be reunified with the kids and if that goes on long enough if the parent is eventually deported and is out of touch with the child welfare system for long enough then the state can actually move to do something that's called terminating parental rights which basically means that that family is not a family anymore and those kids to go. well the kids will either spend

their childhoods in foster care about as probably the majority of what happens or they are then eligible for adoption and there have been a couple of illegal adoptions that have taken place across the country that aren't in the scope of our study which looks at a very particular moment it takes a snapshot of right now what's happening in child welfare departments but we do know from just following the story over a number of years that those kinds of adoptions have taken place we did a story here on this program some months ago we had an expert on about private prisons in the united states who's talking about how the private prisons were lobbying for for stronger laws including immigration laws because they were making money off this is that it is that any piece of those or is this it will be on the scope of your studies. well you know we didn't studied the tension centers and private prisons in particular but it is a factor in this particular problem because the problem really begins when

a parent is that in immigrant detention and many many immigration detention centers are run by private contractors they're largely unregulated in other states and studies that other groups have done we have seen that people are dying and some of these detention centers and those are the folks that the people who run the detention centers those are the people that a mother or father has to deal with when she wants to go to family court or call her social worker or have a visit with the kids those are the same people that social workers have to work with when they're trying to find a parent so the problem the. private prison industry running our detention centers definitely contributes and. they're being paid a couple hundred dollars a day to keep these people and keep them in how you talk about how the state requirements are cooperating with the federal government's. which is leading to this disaster for these kids who can be done about this who is out there i was

assuming that the solution to this would be political as in you know passing was changing laws who's involved in trying to do something about. well on the policy side there are a number of efforts that have been made and that are starting representatives franken and woolsey are have developed a bill that would require immigration and customs enforcement to take into account the needs of u.s. citizen children when their parents are caught up in detention or deportation and so there are there are things that congress could do but there are also very immediate things that immigration and customs enforcement can do right now that ice could do and that child welfare departments could do so one of them is to on the high side find alternatives to detention so that child welfare departments can do their job and on both sides we can stop or slow down the clock

a clock that. takes on the child welfare side on parental rights and the clock that takes on the immigration side on deportation even if a deportation does have to happen eventually we. could put that off until the family is able to resolve it situation those things just happen now by somebody deciding to make them happen that would be the ice is part of the part of homo security i believe which is whether which is part of the executive branch which means that this could be done by any of the senior ministers in those agencies or by order the president. it could be and in fact there is a memo that the head of ice wrote over the summer this last summer that says that ice agents and i said tourney's have a lot of discretion in making decisions about family members we found though for example that that discretion is really not being used we found one woman who called

the police because her partner was beating her up she was arrested along with her abuser at that very night the kids were taken to child welfare and instead of simply getting out of jail when it was all cleared up and getting her kids the woman then was sent to immigration detention to ice detention and when she was an iced attention she had no ability to communicate with anybody to even figure out where her kids were actually work now she her case should have been handled differently under the violence against women act and it simply wasn't so the discretion that ice has it is not using surveys in this treasure will hopefully you know what all the shiny it's of light on there's something will come out of this we can simply thank you so much for being with us thank you tom children are among the most under represented and powerless people in our society and the children of undocumented immigrants are the least of the least in terms of power and influence in our society

a situation where they find themselves through no fault of their own the victims of a cruel and dysfunctional system should provoke all of those frankly to change. you know the fourteenth amendment of the united states says that if you're born here you're a citizen it was passed after the civil war and it's got it's what's called birthright citizenship if we're going to continue to be one of the small minorities of countries in the world that has birthright citizenship and arguably it would take a constitutional amendment change that but oddly the fourteenth the number is also where the supreme court is finding corporate human ship corporate personhood so maybe we should think about a vow to fight it but in any case we're going to continue to be one of the small minorities of countries birthright citizenship we need to figure out a way to echo or associate those rights that the children have as citizens to their parents who are not citizens or else we have had to go the direction of other nations in the most other nations say you know europe you're

a citizen if both your parents are citizens of the doubt that's the best the most common system you know it's not about where you're born but you know who you're born. but in no matter how we end up resolving this and this this is a debate the whole birth right citizenship thing versus how we do this whatever but however we do it our immigration system is badly broken and it's been exploited now by for profit prison companies who are lobbying for more prisoners and pushing for not only harsher things like drug sentences but also for longer detention periods for people who are illegal immigrants and it's being exploited by political demagogues who are for it basically exploiting fear of the other you know look up those prone people from mexico or that kind of thing but we really need now is comprehensive immigration reform we need to completely overhaul of the system top to bottom and have a good national dialogue about. it's

time for a daily poll your chance to tell us what you think here's today's question cover your ears joe the plumber according to a recent a.b.c. news poll sixty one percent of americans want redistribution of wealth will it happen and the choices are yes americans want washington to quote pursue policies that try to reduce income inequality that's what sixty one percent of people said yes it will happen or no the wealth gap between the rich and the port america will get even larger on its own are going to congress don't you think a poll be open until tomorrow. crazy alert is that building wearing a bra in a church a publicity stunt to raise awareness of the breast cancer campaigns where pink initiative a british stain removal company created the world's biggest resue the makers of

vanished stain remover spent four months constructing a contract he sued with the ship's sales company company's sales for ships to sew together the but he with before hanging it across the front of a high rise building the undergarment fit for a giant was made with three hundred seventy five square metres of fabric and weighs nearly two hundred pounds as for the size it's reportedly a one thousand two hundred twenty two b. meaning it's only a matter of time before the i.t.v. south bank building in london on which the monstrous bra was hung comes forward with its own sexual harassment allegations ideas from again. when we come back occupy wall street is taking his message on the road will lawmakers in washington be ready to hear them before it's too late. but drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to

break through. who can you trust no one who is you know in view with the global machinery see where are we heading state controls capitalism is called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more.