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that never appropriate to face but hardly argument that they're being overly dramatic. you know some logistical story and it seems so silly you think you understand it and then glimpse something else you hear see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture .
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play with the most recent numbers are misleading and you'll inter-generational warfare of reminding everyone if they are ninety nine percent believe there's a growing gap something worth being concerned about that a producer for treason is sent to you to find out what you have to say. young people enjoy having money and a good job just as much as the next person compared to an older american they have a lot less of both the good jobs and the good money now after all the older generation grew up in a time of pensions and enjoying booming economic cycles but most of all they have jobs now those older than sixty five now have forty seven times as much net worth as it will households headed by someone under thirty five years old so while the wealth gap is undeniable is the divide between generations to be concerned about or something trying to create inner generational warfare steve said the numbers that show older people lay ahead financially may be skewed by the fact that the richest
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one percent are just older which lends the data to favor older generations laurie told those young people had trouble getting their foot on the ladder but the elderly struggle to get a meager pension she said i don't think there is an age divide a brother would said the baby boomers are about to relinquish their demographic advantage their generation has always taken care of itself and always will and judging from your comments the majority seem to understand that economic hardship is not limited by age well many blame not one percent no one really believes it's time to break out those signs and protest in front of grandma's house. now as always think of your responses and here's our next question for you earlier in the show we spoke with derek thompson about the republican candidates for president labs or lack there to take on the economy so let us know what you think what questions would you like to see answered on the economy by these candidates you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and he has a response just like me going. now to rare turn of events you mainstream media
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outlets have actually decided to turn their attention to guantanamo bay this week accused prisoner on a sherry finally faces a military tribunal and a sherry's accused of being the mastermind of the two thousand bombing of the u.s.s. cole in yemen which killed seventeen sailors and the obama administration has stated that it's working to make machineries trial more transparent than past get no military commissions as of right now it's hard to tell president obama has made any real efforts to change much of anything but the tensions that are center in cuba he certainly hasn't taken any real steps to close the facility so let's take a look you get mail from a financial perspective after all it is the single most expensive prison on the planet and an era of tightening budgets you'd think our government would be asking if it's financially beneficial to keep these detainees abroad or in the us recent article by karen rosenberg of miami herald explains why this prison puts any detention center here in the states absolutely to shame when it comes to cost so exactly what makes the most expensive prison on the planet
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a start everything and i mean everything that is provided to the base is imported the guards are aircraft the obama administration revealed over the summer and the g.o.p. drops about one hundred fifty million dollars a year on get an eight hundred thousand dollars per detainee each year now keep in mind u.s. federal prisons spend about twenty five thousand dollars per prisoner per year so that's a pretty huge difference in spending on prisoners also have their own kitchen and health services but money is also spent on the captives cellblocks those prisoners who show good behavior and are cooperated have access to satellite t.v. . with news and religious programming they also have an extensive book and video library and a detainee is offered up to forty five hundred calories a day and food some of which is whole all over a good portion of the annual budget goes towards the military and general staff of get c. for them the cuba detention center is run like a base where officers can bring their families live on site and still get paid the hostile fire and imminent threat rates of their fellow soldiers receive in war
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zones like afghanistan and all the pay very spring and soldier rosenberg reports that a petty officer third class with the navy gets about two thousand nine hundred eighty five dollars a month meanwhile a navy commander with fifteen years experience earns about seven thousand eight hundred forty dollars a month but the pay isn't the only park staffing guards have their own gym dining rooms and a movie theater and what's called camp america now what about the facility itself it was first deemed a temporary site when it opened back in january two thousand and two but they're getting a lot of expensive upgrades very expensive upgrades for starters they're going to drop two million dollars on new computer equipment it was also getting a new guard corps headquarters and a new infirmary have to replace their aging prison hospital now each of those projects cost seven hundred fifty thousand dollars so now the images of where some of that taxpayer money is going i'm going to repeat something that i brought up several times before why is guantanamo bay still open president obama originally
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ordered the base be shut down almost two years ago and based on the amount of fresh construction plan doesn't really sound like good most shutting down any time soon so perhaps seeing some of these six seven eight digit expense reports might encourage some of us to take some sort of some sort of action sooner rather than later. now on the show we constantly talk about the shadow wars the countries fighting abroad the use of special ops teams and drones in yemen somalia and most frequently pakistan the inconsistency of reports between the cia and human rights organizations when it comes to civilian casualties and of course the legal questions that about now in a new report philip alston pinpoints the legal uncertainty that results from the incredible secrecy of america's targeted killing program including a lack of congressional oversight and you digital review and media coverage that's dependent on the cia for those leaks this according to alston means that there's no meaningful domestic accountability for a burgeoning program of international killing and as a result he concludes that this undermining of international law and the setting of
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legal precedents will inevitably come back to haunt us so joining me from the studio in new york is philip alston former un special rapporteur on extrajudicial so merry and arbitrary executions he's also professor of law at new york university and co-chair of the law school's center for human rights and global justice philip i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight and i just want to get so let's start with the basics overall when it comes to sending in special ops teams for a raid where it's targeted killing or sending out a drone to strike and have a targeted killing planned do you think that that's something that is legal. well in principle it certainly can be is nothing to nothing to stop united states from having special operations teams nothing to stop them from using drones nothing to stop them from. doing this sort of night raids they do a lot of in afghanistan. but there are still pretty detailed rules that apply
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assuming that they are doing this in the context of an armed conflict of warfare and the question is whether they applied by those rules or whether we knows so little about what they're doing we're not able to conclude that they do respect the rules well so you know one of the problems of course with the cia now taking the lead in regards to the drone program is that the cia doesn't have to report on of their own program they it's secret and so we only get little tidbits here and there i do you think of that's a really a dangerous step that's being taken the cacique ira has more control than the military has it worse than the cia does it i guess you could say. well the frightening thing about the cia which runs basically all of the drone program and carries out all of the killings that take place in pakistan is the they quote neither confirm nor deny that there is any such program so if you want to know
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anything about it there for more responses about what we don't know about this now . and then is what does the public know about the public knows what's been leaked by the cia so you've got leon panetta saying we killed bin laden we've killed number three we've killed number x. . and a few details like that combined with assurances that the program is highly effective but if we go any further and say so tell us a run the program do you actually do the same sort of targeting as the military does do you follow the same rules do you abide by the law of armed conflict they say it's all secret we can't tell you anything about that nothing at all do you follow up do you know if you've killed anybody or first of all we can't tell you but we can assure you we haven't ever killed anyone well ask any military expert and that's ridiculous these sort of operations are messy they're complicated inevitably civilians are killed but we can't investigate that if we have no
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information at all so my argument would be that the cia by carrying out this large scale program of killing hundreds of people totally on the basis of secrecy is violating the international law that requires a degree of accountability explaining what's been done and showing that the rules are being followed and it's clearly not satisfying any form of domestic accountability. well you know who do you think has to be more vigilant or i guess you could say that it's probably everybody the press needs to be more vigilant but you also bring up the fact that there is a complete free pass coming from congress here same thing when it comes to the courts and why is it that way is it too is it too easy to ignore or too complicated to try to get into discussing the legal gray area is somebody too scared to try to stop the program. i think it's too complicated first of all that being sold on the
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basis that this is really essential to the fight against terrorism no one's against the fight against terrorism everyone wants it to be effective to put an end to terror activity. the question is whether in order to fight to or isn't affectively it really is essential to carry out all of these targeted killings in complete secrecy now the public finds it very difficult to distinguish we go back to the killing of bin laden but the question is who carried it out we hold up the seals and the j. soccer as it's called special operations of the army and say they did a superb job but of course technically it wasn't them technically it was a cia operation which is why leon panetta was briefing us all about what was happening the military didn't have the right to go into afghanistan under u.s. law so what do we do we simply put the military under cia control and send them all
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in but the problem is that the cia remains as it was always set up as an intelligence agency to be gathering information to be spying on people to be undertaking covert activities around the world but it wasn't set up as a killing machine it wasn't set up to be identifying targets then working out how they would be taken out as it were either by drones or through other assassination work and so they also want to set up to provide any form of accountability for those sort of actions the congress applies no serious scrutiny and there isn't a single informed observer who thinks that congressional oversight of the cia particularly in relation to these sort of issues is even vaguely effective that's they could have done none of this or actually just for one second have cyber we have are only a couple seconds left in there and you can clearly basically that at some point the u.s. is that this is going to come back to haunt us can you elaborate on that. sure there
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are some fifty countries now that have grown capacity the third biggest manufacturer is china so china is selling but also developing its own drone force clearly this is going to be bequest is what rules do we want to enforce against china if we are going into pakistan to yemen and other countries and saying look we can shoot these drones regardless of international law or what is the stop sign or iran various other countries whose track records we're not particularly happy with from saying we're going to play by u.s. rules in other words we do what we want to just like you guys did there won't be any accountability no transparency we don't want that now's the time to set up rules now is the time to say the u.s. will play by international law and we will demonstrate that either by compelling the cia to act in accordance with international law or moving the whole program
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over the pardon of defense which does basically respect international law and definitely a very important point to make is the right it's not going to just using us drone technology around the world for a long thank you so much for joining us tonight. my pleasure. now coming out flying republican senator is so posed to gay marriage they actually try to claim that the u.s. is too broke to support the benefits are going to tell you who made that policy claim it might still time segment and on tap for happy hour wal-mart wants you to start black friday shopping even earlier this year and should the big banks be warded time magazine's person of the year award for right back. on. the. on the police the record.
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but what a protester nobody seems to know. that never of pepper sprayed the face of the argument that they're being overly dramatic. you know sometimes you see a story so you think you understand it and then something else here sees some other part of it and realize that everything is ok you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big.
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our guys it's time for tonight's tool time awards night goes to texas senator john corbett down on capitol hill today a senate committee held a hearing on appealing the defense of marriage act doma as it's called it's a federal law that doesn't recognize gay marriage from the states and bans gay married couples and federal benefits so clearly conservative supportive because of their values but just looking at what the republican senator from texas used today as a reason to legally discriminate against a very couples the second reason i support government is that repealing the differential murder actually resulted in each of federal benefits. at a time when we know that or the federal spending is way out of control and aren't. programs are unsustainable so gay married couples shouldn't be entitled to benefits because the us is broke it's too expensive in the corner because of big balls actually use that excuse now for those of you that are unaware here in the us your
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spouse dies you can try some of that you can draw some of the dead spouses social security benefits children on the end of the age of eighteen can also draw benefits the person passes away it's one of the social safety nets that help protect families when a loved one died but according to senator court if you're gay spouse dies then screw you know the us is broke sorry social security has no money you're on your own gay people nevermind the fact that social security is not broke but if you for years of congress doesn't operating all the funds paid into social security it just michael gross that's another story for another day now back to senator corn and he also used this excuse. no one no one has paid into the social security system expecting and if it's to be paid to same sex partners and it would be unfair for state laws to determine the eligibility for social security survivor benefits which are a federal benefit not a statement of it so no one paid into social security think of the gay people i get
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benefits how about gay people they work and pay their taxes so they be entitled to the same benefits after it's all great rates and the john point was still not done that marriage equality but i think the reversal we're seeing on the defense of marriage act a federal law not a state law is just another sign of how out of touch that some of our friends across the aisle have come. have been with the american people on this issue and i think unfortunately and it saddens me to say this this knowing that this bill will never become law in this congress i think it's a transparent appeal to a special interest group that our democratic friends believe is a key to their electoral victory in two thousand and twelve. so you think the democrats are out of touch on this issue has john been living in a cave an a.b.c. news poll released over the summer showed that they beat three percent of americans now support same sex marriage and the trend line on every poll of recent years shows that more and more people support the issue so senator cornyn it's you and
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the republican party that are out of touch period and that's why texas senator john cornyn is tonight's tools i'm leader. sorry guys it's time for happy hour and joining me this evening as our team prays for jenny churchill and lauren lyster host of capital account on r.t.e. hello ladies thanks for joining me thank you ok so you know we've been having a talk about last night's republican debate again the other day where i want to shoot myself in the head because so boring but you know there was ok i also don't like to obsess over the herman cain saga but this answer that he gave is too good to not let up for a minute so let's take a look. my parents and my children see more than anything else for every one person that comes forward with
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a false accusation there. are thousands who would say none of this sort of activity ever came from herman cain. if you're trying to convince the world that you are guilty of sexual harassment will. be like there are thousands of people i didn't do it to. and i love only with that there are probably oh no god but. i think someone in this morning part of the amazing point that a serial killer could say the same thing you know i may have killed forty people but there are like a thousand that i didn't get around to i mean there's like a couple billion more on the planet are doing just fine i still worry about me considering that you probably should have said that you know there are seven billion people on this planet and what's one more he also referred to himself in the third person which seems to be his new thing which i have to say is almost as
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annoying as the stupidity part of that comment not really in a third person africans so much you know that. your president is running around right. ok let's move on to the next. i don't i've never actually done the black friday thing i don't know if you guys have or you get i have like four o'clock in the morning and you stampede well ok let's show people what the stampede usually looks like wal-mart that has been gathered before six o'clock. this morning with. irish. people running up outside to. try to caucus morning when the store was supposed to open for the parents were chanting i cannot i cannot crowd surged to work literally . the last aluminum. not. only for your own self and where he lay on the ground.
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it's horrible like the horror of that of just being trampled to death but so this is what christmas shopping unfortunately results in america and so that was definite. information shopping equals death. because you know right now. it's on it's easier to just like lend back your logic all equivalent you just sit there let's just show you. how crazy they're getting so now best find targeted decided that they're going to let people in at midnight on thanksgiving night now wal-mart is saying that they're actually going to start doing it at ten pm and i actually got a living social email telling me about a deal at a hotel so i could stay right next to the hotel right next to the wall in the hotel for black friday so i could be the first shopper there it's. yet too much i have actually had the unfortunate. experience of working a black friday at best buy and it was literally the craziest thing i've ever seen
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in my whole life i should have had to read for work and there are people literally camped out and then everyone was just in the worst mood and screaming and fighting over like twenty dollar deals you're getting twenty dollars off a television well but you know this i was for the world it was like i'm said it was three hundred do you know they have good deals i feel bad for the people who still think it's a normal black friday and they show up at three in the morning thinking that they're lining out for the store to open and little do they know that all the good going because they could go out at ten pm when it really opened but. they've been advertising it all and i'm sure it's coming soon let's quickly move on to our next one mario batali famous chef has a lot of this restaurant sure as well so he got in trouble because he basically said when speaking of aser the greedy bankers of toppled the way that money is distributed and taken most of it into their own hands is as good as stalin or hitler the evil guys that time is featured as person of the year and so now there's all this backlash and basically gloss. people are saying fine we won't eat at your
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restaurants and one tweeter actually had a really good point to mario batali so good like getting the people of the park to pay eight hundred dollars for a plate of pasta yeah well they got their way because he came out and apologized obviously bottom line is more important than his criticism of bankers because he got tracked he made a funny really didn't really mean it yes no i think he did mean it and then he realized that he was biting the hand that feeds him but i mean i have to say i think that it's fascinating that he said in the first place why i mean i just for him to not realize her to not understand the. anger bankers who else is going to that restaurant gets her story because i'm sure it's all right on a bank or they're all and all that and some percent. of journalists everywhere i'm a fan are ok but this is just nasty to take a look. it's called find a pox party in your area geared mainly toward sharing chicken pox virus among
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families who don't believe in vaccinating their children has anyone had success sharing the chicken pox with someone out of state by sending them something in the mail another response i got a pox package in the mail just moments ago i have two lollipops and a wet rag and spit. it just so wrong either i had chicken pox one of the kids i understand it's miserable if you get it when you're older but are you going to give your kid dirty lollipops like by somebody else who had the chicken pox my kids are going to have the vaccine therefore this will be an issue when i won't have to accept the goods from a stranger that they have licked i mean only think of keep it under the radar this is such bad p.r. for a movement that is already you know how bad they are yet back in the day they used to do this when everybody got a chicken pox you go over to some kid's house you had it so you could get it over with but now we're now going to be a lollipop that's just wrong every way how i got out of partially thanks for
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joining me tonight i think the night's show thanks for tuning in nation even after morrow and weinstein is going to be on the show to discuss how the us is currently spending more than we did during the cold war on the nuclear program i mean i'm going to get to the fan of the rush on facebook followers on twitter penis anything if you've got flash heal herself and so we have that means. a very warm welcome to you this is your news today protesters on the wall street they are. leaders in chancellor in the juices begin with the status of the human experiment it's a little with the weeks you will probably miss the news what it snows the basilica the trial of the sense of the economy and it's all changed things as financial
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temple the reason to maintain our confidence in markets and beyond. leasing trade imbalances recession look at the nation's close to see a subprime loan close. to fail circulate think and feel a little like think is the u.s. crash and seven in the last it seems to me is like putting it in the closet in athens greece the country and just programs increase the total economy.
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