tv [untitled] November 11, 2011 6:30pm-7:00pm EST
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the police in a. protest that nobody seems to know. that never appropriate the face but hardly argument that they're being overly dramatic. are you guys it's time for tonight's top five awards night because of the new york post since occupy wall street protests began seven weeks ago the post has tried to smear the movement every single chance they get their attacks the reach no new level so the headlines today were. and like elite detectives to wall street
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protests saw the headlines a bit much it's not totally absurd but it gets better if you dive into this story and says that the n.y.p.d. has moved three elite manhattan homicide detectives and a deputy chief to the rock is occupy wall street protests in response to a rash of sex attacks that's and vandalism including graffiti scrawled on the nearby nine eleven memorial the post has learned so in the first sentence the coast states the occupy wall street protesters are being investigated for vandalizing the new nine eleven memorial site at ground zero i'm sure that would upset a lot of readers how could anybody place their feet on a site that honors those who were killed on september eleventh but you have to keep reading the story to get a little more perspective here and it wasn't until the eleventh paragraph that you found this little gem so the detectives who began working cases of the car two weeks ago are also investigating two acts of vandalism on the nine eleven memorial and the first a heart was etched near a name on the bronze of morial cock suspect the perpetrator may have been
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a family member a victim and last week a drawing of a skull was found on the memorial both marks were removed so just to point out the obvious here and the post's own words and i do have a family member was made responsible for one case and graffiti police have no clue on the second vandalism vandalism incident and yet they still tie it to occupy wall street that's a real art eating journalism from the new york post justin elliott over at salon dot com points out that it's also libel so congrats new york post you've taken slim reporting so even lower level and i did not even think that was possible but i guess we should expect this type of reporting from the post after all they are owned by rupert murdoch the same one who brought us fox news for the last seven weeks his fair and balanced network has launched an all out assault on occupy wall street. it is a classic mob off prizing it's utterly incoherent they're always left wing and completely destructive we've got all kinds of crackers down and we don't we're not
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there that soft drugs spell so you can't make this stuff up they're passing out free condoms there's been open sex going on there drugs you the score they are certainly unified they're certainly coordinated and they have a high in writing these kids and aging hippies out there they hate corporations they hate capitalism and in the end ultimately they want state isn't over for the market so they really don't like freedom. i guess the new york post also got the memo for murdoch to bash by wall street even if you have to just make stuff up and so that's why we're giving them tonight's full time work. now yesterday what the a.c.l.u. and the electronic frontier foundation are calling a loss for privacy a federal judge ruled that twitter will have to reveal information about three of its account holders an investigation pertaining to wiki leaks and we brought this case before many times twitter itself move to unseal the secret justice department request for it on information something that no other tech companies out there is
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done and the three people involved are american security experts. or good johns daughter and member of iceland's parliament and raw country a dutch businessman now all are considered wiki leaks associates either volunteered or somehow worked with whistleblowing website so in court there were tissues argue that their ip addresses should be considered private information at the demand was too broad and unrelated to wiki leaks but it's like a judge to differ so what does this ruling mean for online privacy well joining me to discuss it is trevor tim activist of the electronic frontier foundation and he also curates the legal twitter feed reporting on legal and first amendment issues surrounding wiki leaks. trevor i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and on this program bank how do you see this ruling it's been dragging on for for you know since the end of last year in this case and what do you think about the decision yesterday yes so this is an appeal of an original decision by the judge back in april and it says two things which are both really damaging for the fourth
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amendment and for internet freedom one that the fourth amendment doesn't protect these ip addresses or the recipients the names the recipients of direct messages on twitter which basically says the government can go after the information this information on pretty much a whim. which is what the ruling confirmed yesterday and then the second part of the ruling which states that these rulings normally will stay secret that means the users will never even know we got lucky in this situation because twitter actually challenge this order to begin with because twitter didn't do that go out of their way to spend their time and money to notify these users when we would even know that these these orders existed. so not only is information going to be available to government all the time now but a lot of times people won't even know that their information has been taken and i
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want to get back to twitter and just some of the first tell us exactly what they've already is going to be able to see when it comes to what they have to hand over. well in twitter's case. they're going to be able to see the ip addresses of each of these recipients and they can easily find somebody who's location for these ip addresses and they're also going to be able to see who they were contacting in their private messages they won't actually get the content of the messages but it will be able to see what time this happened who they were talking to and perhaps where they were located when they were talking to him so it while they don't get the content they basically get everything else and can put together a picture of what these people are doing some say in their private lives which we would assume is protected. by a priest or expectation of privacy but the judge disagreed well the judge also said that basically if you sign away your reasonable expectation of privacy when you
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when you sign up for twitter because they have certain terms and conditions and so this is where i want to you know really ask this question one hand twitter is being hailed as a hero of these tech giants because they're fighting back against the government they don't like the secrecy but twitter also has these policies twitter is also keeping this information for almost a year so can we also question their business practices. yes absolutely that's a great point i think that's where this argument's going to go because well the challenge that it is a real problem the they're holding on to this information for months or years at a time and there's actually a great example from this very same case about what should what these companies should be doing so i got net which is a small california was also given one of these court orders they fought it and lost we learned last month in the wall street journal but after they lost they decided to change their data retention policy and now they only keep i just keep dresses for two weeks and then delete them this basically solves the problem. by so if the
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government ends up going to psych meds again they're not going to have this information at all so there's no way for them to hand it over and i think that's where these companies have to go if they want to keep your information private because this ruling shows the government can basically get it whenever they want and use already been built no so these these policies that everybody signs all signs on to when they join twitter you know they're very dense they're very long there and nobody realizes what information they're handing over and we need them to change their policies if we want our information protected. yeah of course we also know that these companies get a lot of pressure from the government side telecommunications companies you know they try to pass legislation to force them to keep this kind of information for a longer period of time i know that i'm trying to your foundation has also been trying to convince other tech companies out there like google for example to to be open about it to let people know if they're being contacted so how do you think that efforts going on in google did release some information recently yeah we have
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a campaign called who's got your back which basically looks at all of the major tech companies and look they're doing to ensure that your information stays private and this is exactly one of the issues that we've been pushing first that these companies have to challenge these orders so their users know what's going on google how to transparency report that came out a few weeks ago and while the report itself is good because they actually lay out what happens we can see we can see from these reports the government requests are skyrocketing for this information just thousands and thousands of requests and over ninety percent of them just get it over no questions asked so we're trying to keep track of what these companies policies are how long they're storing data and we really want to shine a light on what they're doing so that normal users who like i said they have no idea this is going on we want to shine
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a light on that and kind of try to force these companies to make better decisions now repeated said something interesting in in response to the way the judge ruled and she basically said that she thinks that people are just going to start moving their data to other companies that are located outside the united states where they can easily believe in their privacy and when you look at what you know what you think about that companies like twitter do they just have too much of a market share here why would anyone want to go away from them or just the average person probably not really care. well if the if these companies have offices in the u.s. then the u.s. is in the u.s. government's going to look at this information it's definitely a good idea to bring attention bring awareness to where your data is who has that how much of it they have but that's the problem these tech companies are so pervasive that it's hard you know facebook google and twitter dominate this market
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so until there are until there are better standards by these companies which they should be following sorry about that standard but just leaving this information this problem is going to continue and hopefully. we could try to push congress in the right direction to perform these these e-mail privacy laws that were written actually before that you know even exist before e-mail even existed electronic communications privacy act was written in one thousand eighty six and nobody knew what email was there so we want e-mails to be protected the same way phone calls are the same way letters are by the fourth amendment yet even though people use e-mails much more than they use letters now they don't have the same protections so that's what we're working on so i thank you so much for joining us tonight and of course i guess it'll remain a secret as to you know what handing over this information is going to deal and terms of the grand jury and investigation for waking leaks but maybe at some point we'll find out thanks so much for having. i thought time tonight my eyesight friday
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happy hour people get violent trying to get their hands on his call of duty video games last one people would probably vote for this united russia to be outraged. i. thank. you please read. to. me like a protest and nobody seems to know. that never a pepper sprayed the face i thought of the argument that they're being overly dramatic.
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mr. you know that we've been covering the occupy wall street movement since its first day here on the show trying to highlight the need for americans to see what they have in common rather than what divides them trying to bridge partisan lines to wake people up to what's in their common interest things like fairness equality
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opportunity some of the things that make this country what it is or we thought it's supposed to be done or to realize that this idea of the ninety nine percent has been born and i nine percent of the can't relate to the one percent the lives on a different plane that's completely untouchable but on this veterans day i'd like for us to look at another one percent of the rest of the country has such a distance from i'd like to take them at least it'll be coming out in time later this month by mark thompson and he looks at the number of troops that have fought in our war since nine eleven and around afghanistan and iraq and that number is about two point four million that's exactly one percent of the two hundred forty million americans over the age of eighteen so it's the one percent that's hard to fight wars lose lives limbs family friends in some cases lose their sanity and their sense of humanity and they're doing it supposedly on our behalf that's what they've sworn to do is to protect this country its national interest and all of those who believe in it but they only make up one percent of us and the other
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ninety nine just can't relate they cannot to a country that often forgets the world war two a national mentality that no longer sees war as the worst possible thing that could happen but this is a normal fact of life now we went to war in afghanistan for ten years it's officially the longest war in u.s. history and yet it's not a register of the top of concerns of americans in polls or questionnaires and sure the economy is in a horrible state people can't get can't get jobs they can't pay for their homes their lives are falling apart others are getting by. watching reality t.v. reading about celebrity gossip. the troubles of the world but we have to remember that our immediate lives are no more important no more horrifying than those that are living and fighting daily through war and this isn't an issue of politics you know where i stand in our wars in iraq and afghanistan our shadow wars in pakistan yemen and somalia when war based on a lie the other with no chance of victory and yet our generals and politicians allow troops to continue dying because they don't like me to use the word fail so i
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remember the troops every day because i don't want them to be fighting and risking their lives on my behalf and wars that i don't believe it but if you do think these wars are worthwhile and justified in fact if you do then i believe that you have even more responsibility to remember those that are doing the fighting for you and not just bush the daily atrocities that they lived through the tormenting years to follow into the back of your mind now our politicians should be held the most accountable to those that convince us of the decisions that make they make serve our national interest and protect our national security they're the ones that signed the checks and passed legislation with the only consequence usually being losing their seat in office so we need to put pressure on them tell them though we have not forgotten the one percent of fighting the wars the defense contractors and war hawks crave they certainly won't forget so let's not let that one percent be separate from the other ninety nine of us.
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hi guys it's time for happy hour and joining me tonight is andrew blake argue web writer and warren rojas heard on the hill columnist for roll call thank you for joining me gentlemen for now this first tour you guys might have a little more experience than i do because i've never played by call of duty modern warfare three just came out they grow. all the records they got watching history unfold six point five million copies in twenty four hours and you know they got people pretty excited by getting some celebrities to be in the trailer to take a look. so they made it look so cool and exciting like you just had to have it in the
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trailer then this happened take a look pretty good pick up to be shortly after it was released it against the north and it would be kansas city new york and then drove home clark county prosecutor state eighteen year old david moralities power behind the handgun he later told police he originally purchased even for a keep it from someone for free. one of these video games do you people you know let me just mention really quickly there was another incident where a guy actually called best buy and after they told him that they were sold out he threatened to blow best buy. really they're going to do it again please get him politically active you know he decided that you know customer service comes first he was promised a video game he did his part he reserved it and then the nervousness that's right and then the you know the old seinfeld episode i don't think you know what the reservation is for it should have kept the game there but you know you put it into
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a shady of them but you know they have profit money to make i think kind of really i've never held a gun point for a fighting game once during the big mario kart craze i robbed a guy for a cop using nothing but the net of heels and turtle shells and i need you to say that when my time go back. i don't have to hear you know what grade are you yeah you're going to carry i missed you know i well i mean i obviously didn't because now i'm repeating the story just i was told to leave like i'm just saying what i came up with i'm going to go but you played mario kart he lived it so he said that's how. i never played really these games i played mario card ok that are not as advanced as i get when it comes to video games is like i can do this super mario and i can do that we can just push all the buttons like i used to do that and. i'm just not sure that i. can let's move on to you yes our next story so our political ads have been really epic in terms of campaign absolutely
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you know you've had all these like highly hollywood style really well produced ads but this one for united russia party in russia i think just makes it look so much more exciting. here's. a little slogan during that also says let's do it together what do you think if they made political ads here that get laid if you went out and voted more people vote. yeah. definitely you're going to see a lot more people at the polls in the polls around the polls. no progress. in the
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poll shows over his going to notice that voting booth i mean i think that was just being resistant sheep that they had on there they were fully anticipating the audience that was also you know god bless them for getting people out there so what's actually causing a lot of controversy already in either party and rushing to the voting is private under the constitution so now they want the ads investigated as being unconstitutional it's now. i don't i don't really comment on anything involving russia i'm here i'd like to make sure i saw the job when i come in and. it's very funny you don't want to get laid when you go voting oh no you're crazy. you're crazy way they're going to america. all right let's move on to we've done this nickel back story before but we just happen to we can and so it's very my audience really quick to go back is in case you've forgotten that they're the lamest band of all time let me just show you a little clip of the band. but
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i didn't see my head we were just saying unfortunately so the whole beep is that they're supposed to play at thanksgiving and detroit and there are like forty three thousand people that were petitioning for nickelback not to play because they suck because there's a v.n. and there is even this guy that put out a really angry video because it turns out as of today that nickelback is still going to play. back completely sucks and that is why we don't represent the city of detroit. period but a lot of the report. i should point out that he does have a russian poster in the background he not only canadian but he best canadian parents ever really figure out what you're talking about but this is that we going to be the first time all year i'm actually going to watch football just in hopes that someone firebombs the stadium and nickel bath obliterated yeah it might be
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that you want to go modern warfare on nickelback and i think i'll do my job because i've read some of the signatories for the petition that they do up to fifty two thousand nickelback is to music what hitler was to european jews end of story that's pretty absolute that's definitely damning damning damning so yeah if i was the go back i would find something else to do that we can't so this is sad you know i did like. to be able to petition to not have you play even i'm sure that you know unfortunately go back and probably i have no idea realistically what they probably thought a lot of albums because you have to look at me like i'm also sure that they're aware that they suck at this point they probably know that no one likes them and they're terrible so and it's what could have gotten anybody else i mean there are prominent musicians from detroit and i'm still loves that smokey robinson is around somewhere i mean will get you know we had this conversation last night i mean we were like lifting up all the other possible people they could have chosen for i
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think ted nugent will probably be the one that blows them up so possibly he would do it theatrically and fabulously so i mean let's let's go that route to nickelback it is her steak and i think ok so here is our last story some today is a nine hundred eleven eleven and you know a lot of people think of these kind of days where all the numbers add up very good luck but in egypt they actually had to close the pyramids great pyramid is closed this morning because of the dates eleven eleven eleven the largest of the pyramids was temporarily shut down it comes after rumors that unknown groups might try to hold spiritual ceremonies inside or near that site. spiritual ceremony really curious as to what those are i could tell you but i've typed sworn to secrecy oh you have some people that were planning on going there. may or may not belong to a couple of like four and. a million a lot of you this story actually upset me because i really feel like the middle
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east meets the cool it now i mean it's kind of getting a little media they've had the arab spring it's kind of strong out in the arab summer you know and now we're in the fall clearly the time to give central america its new calendar dates is almost twenty twelve so i don't know why egypt is trying to steal the spotlight now don't want to mess with us that's why i'm saying they were just as cool they have some troops back there too so i mean. you know he's the same the spotlight is right there like what we were going to start. that's right you guys we're going to wrap it up thanks for joining me during weekend has a pretty nice day out thanks for tuning in and make sure to come back on monday when you saw many different things progress is going to be joining us for happy hour and meantime to get in from fantasy owners on facebook and told us on twitter you missed any of the night's or anyone i. watched a lot of sales and night i just want to say a special goodbye to our line producer chris five and over there who is leaving us on the show and we're going to be here. are you guys coming up next.
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