tv [untitled] November 11, 2011 10:31pm-11:01pm EST
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markets. the u.n. security council is considering palestine's bid for full state recognition with a vote on the motion expected as early as next week palestinian president abbas is likely to forge ahead with the attempt which will force opponents to justify their decision the application to the un by abbas last september was greeted with joy in the territories despite washington promising to veto. now let's head back to our washington studio for part two of the show stay with us for that. guys it's time for tonight's tool time award and tonight because of the new york post now since the occupy wall street protests began seven weeks ago the post has tried to smear the movement every single chance that it gets but their attacks of reach a whole new level to the headline today reads n.y.p.d.
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sends elite detectives to wall street protests while the headlines a bit much it's not totally absurd but it gets better if you dive into this story it says that the n.y.p.d. has moved three elite manhattan homicide detectives and a deputy chief to the ruckus occupy wall street protests in response to a rash of sex attacks thefts and vandalism including graffiti scrawled on the nearby nine eleven memorial the post has learnt so in the first sentence the post occupy wall street protesters are being investigated for vandalizing the new nine eleven memorial site at ground zero i'm sure that would upset a lot of readers how can anybody place their feet on a site the honors those were killed on september eleventh but you have to keep reading the story to get a little more perspective here and it wasn't until the eleventh paragraph that you found this little jet so the detectives who began working cases of the park two weeks ago are also investigating two acts of vandalism on the nine eleven memorial in the first a heart was near a name on the bronze and morial cops suspect the perpetrator may have been
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a family member a victim and last week a drawing of a skull was found on the memorial both marks were removed so just to point out the obvious here and the post's own words and i do have a family member was maybe responsible for one case of graffiti the police have no clue on the second vandalism vandalism incident yet they still tie it to occupy wall street that's a real hard hitting journalism from the new york post justin elliott over at salon dot com points out that it's also libel so congrats you're opposed you've taken slim reporting to an even lower level and i did not even think that that was possible but i guess we should expect this type of reporting from the post after all they are owned by rupert murdoch the same one who brought us fox news for the last seven weeks his fair and balanced network has launched an all out assault on occupy wall street. it is a classic malva off arising it's utterly incoherent they're always left wing and completely destructive we've got all kinds of crackers down there where we don't we're not crackhead they're the soft drugs they'll say you can't make this stuff up
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they're passing out free condoms there's been open. going on their drugs you disk or they are certainly unified they're certainly coordinated and they have the behind writing these kids and aging hippies out there they hate corporations they hate capitalism and in the end ultimately they want state is an over free market so they really don't like freedom. so i guess the new york post also got the memo for murdoch to bash occupy wall street even if you have to just make the stuff up and so that's why we're giving them tonight's tool time award. now yesterday what the a.c.l.u. and the electronic frontier foundation are calling a loss for privacy a federal judge ruled that twitter will have to reveal information about three of its account holders investigation pertaining to wiki leaks now we brought up this case before many times twitter itself moved to unseal the secret justice department request for account information something that no other tech company out there is
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done and the three people involved are american security expert jacob apple bomb brigade a johns daughter and member of parliament and robb kondrat a dutch businessman and all are considered wiki leaks associates either volunteered or somehow worked with the whistle blowing web site so in court the petitioners argue that their ip addresses should be considered private information at the demand was too broad and unrelated to wiki leaks but it's like the judge beg to differ so what does this ruling mean for online privacy well joining me to discuss it is trevor tim activist of the electronic frontier foundation and he also curates the legal twitter feed reporting on legal and first amendment issues surrounding wiki leaks. trevor i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and one of my batting how you see this ruling it's been dragging on for for you know since the end of last year in this case and what did you think about the decision yesterday yes so this is an appeal of an original decision by the judge back in april and it says two things which are both really damaging to the fourth amendment and for
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internet freedom one that the fourth amendment doesn't protect these ip addresses or the recipients the names the recipients of direct messages on twitter which basically says the government can can go after these information this information pretty much a whim. which is what the ruling confirmed yesterday and then there's a second part of the ruling which states that these rulings normally will stay secret that means the users will never even know we got lucky in this situation because twitter actually challenge this order to begin with twitter didn't do that go out of their way to spend their time and money to notify these users than we would even know that these these orders existed. so not only is information going to be available to government all the time now but a lot of times people won't even know that their information has been taken and i
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want to get back to twitter in just a modern first tell us exactly what it is that he is going to be able to see when it comes to what twitter has to hand over. well in twitter's case. they're going to be able to see the ip addresses of each of these recipients so they can easily find somebody who's location through these ip addresses and they're also going to be able to see who they were contacting in their private messages they won't actually get the content of the messages but they will be able to see what time this happened who they were talking to and perhaps where they were located when they were talking to them so. while they don't get the content they basically get everything else and can put together a picture of what these people were doing essentially in their private lives which we would assume is protected. by a reasonable expectation of privacy but the judge disagreed well the judge also said that basically you sign away your reasonable expectation of privacy when you
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when you sign up for twitter because they have certain terms and conditions and so this is where i want to you know really ask you this question one hand twitter is being hailed as a hero of these tech giants because they're fighting back against the government they don't like the secrecy but twitter also has these policies twitter is also keeping this information for almost a year so can we also question their business practices. yes absolutely that's a great point i think that's where this argument going to go because well they challenge it is a real problem with that they're holding on to this information for months or years of the time is actually a great example from this very same case about what should what these companies should be doing sonic dot net which is a small i assume california was also given one of these court orders they fought and lost we learned last month the wall street journal but after they lost they decided to change their data retention policy and now they only keep dresses for two weeks and then delete them there's basically solve the problem. by so if the
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government and up going to sonic net again they're not going to have this information at all so there's no way for them to hand it over and i think that's where these companies have to go if they want to keep our information private because this ruling shows the government can basically get it whenever they want and they use are any good bill and no so these policies that everybody signs old son gone to when they joined twitter you know they're very dense they're very long they're in small print nobody realizes what information they're handing over and we need them to change their policies we want our information protected yet of course we also know that these companies get a lot of pressure from the government said a telecommunications company if they try to pass legislation to force them to keep this kind of information for a longer period of time i know that electronic frontier foundation has also been trying to convince other tech companies out there like google for example to be open about it to let people know if they're being contacted to how do you think
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that effort is going mingle did release some information recently. yeah we have a campaign called who's got your back which basically looks at all of the major tech companies and what they're doing to ensure that your information stays private and this is exactly one of the issues that we've been pushing first that these companies have to challenge these orders so their users know what's going on google had a transparency report that came out a few weeks ago and while the report itself is good because they actually lay out what happens we can see we can see from these reports that government requests are skyrocketing for this information just thousands and thousands of requests and over ninety percent of them just get handed over no questions asked so we're trying to keep track of what these companies policies are how long they're storing data and we really want to shine a light on what they're doing so that normal users who like i said they have no idea that this is going on we want to shine
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a light on that and kind of try to force these companies to make better decisions now brings me to said something interesting in in response to the way the judge ruled and she basically said that she thinks that people are just going to start moving their data to other companies that are located outside the united states where they can easily believe in their privacy and one would think well you know what you think about that do companies like twitter do they just have too much of a market share here why would anyone want to go away from them or does the average person probably not really care. well if these companies have offices in the u.s. then the u.s. is in the u.s. government going to be a look at this information. it's definitely a good idea to bring attention bring awareness to where your data is who has that how much of it they have but that's the problem these tech companies are so pervasive that it's hard. to go and twitter dominate this market so
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until there are until there are better standards by these companies which they should be following the nest standard but just leaving this information this problem is going to continue and hopefully. we could try to push congress in the right direction to reform these these e-mail privacy laws that were written actually before the e-mail even exist before e-mail even existed electronic communications privacy act was written in one thousand nine hundred six and nobody knew what e-mail was. so we want e-mails to be protected the same way phone calls are the same way letters are by the fourth amendment yet even though people use e-mails much more than the letters now they don't have the same protections that's what we're working on our i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and of course i guess it will remain a secret as to you know what handing over this information is going to do in terms of the grand jury investigation for making leaks but maybe at some point we'll find out thanks so much by traveling. i saw
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a very warm welcome to you this is your news today protesters on the. streets they have. these intensely in situ seems to get the status of the human experiment it's single. business rock music would expose the movies allegedly trying to make sense of local economy and it's all changed things as financial template for the research clambering to maintain. but it's kids and you don't want to be seen.
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as close to come. close. to. the game because you wish. to change. the i mean just programs and green. economy. to tonight's fireside for. cops. you know that we've been covering the occupy wall street movement since its first day here on the show trying to highlight the need for americans to see what they have in common rather than what divides them trying to bridge partisan lines to wake people up to within their common interest things like fairness equality opportunity some of the things that make this country what it is or what it's supposed to be done or to
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realize that this idea of the ninety nine percent has been born and i nine percent they can't relate to the one percent the lives on a different plane that's completely untouchable but on this veteran's day i'd like for us to look at another one percent that the rest of the country has such a distance from i'd like to take for a piece will be coming out in time later this month written by mark thompson and he looks at the number of troops that have fought in our war since nine eleven in and around afghanistan and iraq and that number is about two point four million that's exactly one percent of the two hundred forty million americans over the age of eighteen so it's the one percent that's hard to fight wars lose lives limbs family friends in some cases lose their sanity and their sense of humanity and they're doing this supposedly on our behalf that's what they've sworn to do is to protect this country its national interest and all of those who live in it where they only make up one percent of us and the other ninety nine just can't relate. they come back to a country that often forgets the world war two
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a national mentality that no longer sees war as the worst possible thing that could happen but just as a normal fact of life now we've been at war in afghanistan for ten years it's officially the longest war in u.s. history and yet it's not what registers of the top of concerns of americans in polls or questionnaires and sure the economy is in a horrible state people can't get can't get jobs they can't pay for their homes their lives are falling apart others are getting by watching reality t.v. reading about celebrity gossip unbothered by the troubles of the world but we have to remember that our immediate lives are no more important no more horrifying than those that are living and fighting daily through war and this isn't an issue of politics you know where i stand in our wars in iraq and afghanistan our shadow wars in pakistan yemen and somalia one war based on a lie the other with no chance of victory and yet our generals and politicians allow troops to continue dying because they don't like the to use the word fail so i remember the troops every day because i don't want them to be fighting and
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risking their lives on my behalf in wars that i don't believe it but if you do think these wars are worthwhile and justified in fact if you do then i believe that you have even more responsibility to remember those that are doing the fighting for you and not just push the daily atrocities that they lived through the tormenting years to follow into the back of your mind now our politicians should be held the most accountable those that convince us of the decisions that may they make serve our national interest and protect our national security they're the ones that sign the checks and passed legislation with the only consequence usually being losing their seat in office so we need to put pressure on them tell them the we have not forgotten the one percent that's fighting the wars the defense contractors and war hawks crave they certainly won't forget so let's not let that one percent be separate from the other ninety nine of those.
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hi guys it's time for happy hour and joining me tonight is andrew blake artie web writer and warren rojas part of the help columnist for roll call thank you for joining me gentlemen sure but other now this first story you guys might have a little more experience than i do because i've never played about call of duty modern warfare three just came out they broke all the records biggest launch in history it's called six point five million copies in twenty four hours and you know they got people pretty excited by getting some celebrities to be in the trailer to take a look. so they made it look so cool and exciting like you just had to have it in the trailer then this happened take a look for him and picked up the copy shortly after he was released at the game
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stop in north kansas city north to maine drew a blank county prosecutor c. eighteen year old david morel used by would be hunted or indeed a handgun he later told police that he originally planned on purchasing mickey but didn't want to get it from someone for free. what do these video games do to people you know let me just mention really quickly there was another incident where a guy actually called best buy and after they told him that they were sold out he threatened to blow best buy. good for him and really there goes your video game please get him politically active you know he decided that you know customer service comes first he was promised a video game he did his part he reserved it and then the nervousness that's right and then the you know the old seinfeld episode i don't think you know what the reservation is for it should've kept getting there but you know you put it into a shady of them but you know they have profit and have money to make i can kind of
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really i've never held a gun gunpoint for a fighting game once during the big mario kart craze i rob the guy for a cop using nothing but banana peels and turtle shells and i need you to say that when my time go back a little bit earlier i don't have to do you know what grade are you card memory or yeah your face is mario kart i've missed you you know i will i mean i obviously didn't because now i'm repeating the story it just sounds totally like i'm just rehearsing what i came up with a minute ago but you played mario kart he lived it so he said that's how. it's i've never played really these games and i play mario card ok that's about as advanced as i get when it comes to video games is like i can do the super mario and i can do that we or i could just push all the buttons like i used to do that when i have another you know katie i'm just not good at it. ok let's move on to our next story play and so our political ads have been pretty epic in terms of campaign ads lately you know you've had all these like highly hollywood style really well
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produced ads but this one for united russia party in russia i think just makes it look so much more exciting take a look. here. the little slogan during that ad also says let's do it together what do you think if they made political ads here the told you to get laid if you went out and voted with more people vote. for the slate they're going to you're going to see a lot more people at the polls in the polls around the polls. no problem with paul ryan the show is over his ears are going to notice that voting booth i mean i think that was this thing resistant sheet that they had on there they were fully
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anticipated in this behind those walls you know god bless them that they're getting people out there so what's actually causing a lot of the controversy already another party in russia because voting is private under the constitutions now they want to add the investigated as being unconstitutional it's an ad. i don't i don't really like to comment on anything involving russia on the air i'd like to make sure i saw the job when i come in a. very funny read you don't want to get laid when you go voting oh no no you're crazy. voters you're crazy wait i want america to. go to democracy all right let's move on to we've done this nickel back story before but we just have to do it again and so to remind my audience really quick who nickelback is in case you've forgotten that they're the lamest band of all time let me just show you a little clip of the band.
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it gets into my head we were just saying unfortunately so the whole beef is that they're supposed to play at thanksgiving and detroit and there are like forty three thousand people that were petitioning for nickelback not to play because they suck and because they're made in and there's even this guy that put up a really angry video because it turns out as of today that nickelback is still going to play. back completely sucks and that is why we don't want the representing the city of detroit at this game period but a blood report. i should point out that he does have a russian poster in the background who is not only canadian but he best canadian fans ever really need to figure out what he's talking about but this is definitely going to be the first time all year i'm actually going to watch football just in hopes that someone firebombs the stadium a nickel bath obliterated yeah it might be that you want to go modern warfare on
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nickelback and you know they all did it because i've read some of the signatories to the petition i think they're up to fifty two thousand nickelback is to music what hitler was to european jews end of story that's pretty absolute that's definitely damning damning damning so yeah if i was a little bit i would find something else to do that we can so this is sad you know i did like to. be able to petition to not have you play you know and i'm sure that you know unfortunately go back and probably i have no idea realistically but they probably thought a lot of albums because you know if you look at that and also sure that they're aware that they suck though at this point they probably know that no one likes him and they're terrible so and that's what could have got to anybody else i mean there are prominent musicians from detroit eminem still loves that smokey robinson is around somewhere i mean hell get can't imagine we had this conversation last night i mean we were like lifting up all the other possible people they could have chosen for i think ted nugent will probably be the one that blows them up so positively i
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was hoping he would do it theatrically and fabulously so i mean let's let's go that route to nickelback it is sticking with it ok so here is our last story since the day is eleven eleven and you know a lot of people think of these kind of days where all the numbers add up are good luck but in egypt they actually had to close the pyramids. great pyramid is closed this morning because of the dates eleven eleven eleven the largest of the pyramids was temporarily shut down it comes after rumors that unknown groups might try to hold spiritual ceremonies inside or near that site. spiritual ceremonies i'm really curious as to what those are i could tell you but i have been sworn to secrecy you have some people that were planning on going there. may or may not belong to a couple of cult like four and i'm not going to argue this story actually upset me because i really feel like the middle east needs to cool it now i mean it's kind of getting a little media whore and they've had the arab spring it's kind of strong out in the
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arab summer you know and now we're in the fall clearly the time to give central america its due calendar date is all malia two thousand and twelve so i don't know why egypt is trying to steal the spotlight now don't want to mess with those that's what i'm saying they were just as cool they had some prudes back there too so i mean egypt is just let it go he's a day in the spotlight it's right there like was only going to start. that's right you guys we're going to wrap it up thanks so much for joining me during weekend that's it for tonight's show thanks for tuning in and make sure they come back on monday and think progress is going to be joining us for happy hour and meantime to get fan of the latest on facebook and follow us on twitter you missed any of the night's or anyone i've. watched a lot of and tonight we just want to say a special goodbye to our line producer chris pine burned over there who is leaving us on the show and we're going to be here. are you guys coming up next.
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leaders of the biggest pacific rim economies meeting in hawai pledged to prevent the european debt crisis from spreading to the region and triggering and other global recession also. we're seeing really a very young future for them. when people are being. because they serve the interests of the moans of the european union. concern now the growing influence of brussels over the member states of greece and now italy look to choose prime ministers based on the support of europe not the people. debate over palestinian statehood bid ends with deadlock at the un security council with the quest for sovereignty fuelling tension and clashes over israeli settlements on the west bank. and our close of team travels to russia's black sea coast to see how the .
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