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it is. a low in welcome across the computor look is it deja vu all over again united nations nuclear watchdog the i.a.e.a. claims in a new report that iran is moving ever closer to possessing a nuclear weapon critics of the report claim nothing new or even damning has been revealed nonetheless the drumbeat of war against iran can be heard loud and clear. to cross-talk iran's nuclear program i'm joined by mark levine in washington he's a senior fellow with the truman national security project and talk radio host from rock to university in new jersey we have hooshang amirahmadi he's a professor of international development and policy and in london we crossed

a case he's a journalist and political commentator all right gentlemen this is cross talk and you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it but first we're calling this program iran deja vu appropriate i think rightfully so absolutely concerns over iran's nuclear program have been growing steadily for more than a decade with western countries like the united states and those are all expressing suspicion that the program could be used to develop nuclear weapons with the recent report by the u.n. to tom concerns could be nearing a diplomatic turning point for report issued last week has unloaded with some believed to be a trove of intelligence showing that up until two thousand and three two wrong was pursuing weapons related activities including research on nuclear warheads it was the first report of its kind that claims to offer explicit support for allegations that have so far remained uncorroborated. for us there is no reason to believe. i was so you could say especially because it's ok to be.

conformist. concerns that were already existing and were already recognized by the un. the us joined by france and britain are now considering a range of options in addition to the four rounds of sanctions already in place against iran options that israel has warned could include a military strike meanwhile iranian president mahmoud ahmadinejad's has been defined promising not to yield to the pressure and calling the findings fraudulent . the americans are fabricated if you keepers and given them to the chief and he speaks here and there about these papers why don't be even publish one report on the united states why don't the publish even one report on the fronts of the united states and. iran maintains that its program is meant to obtain nuclear energy for electricity only but the u.s. and its western allies are worried a nuclear armed iran could lead to a regional arms race and poses

a direct threat to israel. what most people do not realize even china and india that are considered less enthusiastic for sanctions are extremely worried because an aggressive iran nuclear iran can threaten hundreds of millions of people in these countries. however because the report fails to state whether iran's efforts have resumed or tapered off since two thousand and three there is still no concrete reason to think it causes a genuine threat likewise the report does not indicate whether iran possesses weapons grade enriched uranium or the capacity to produce it to that and talk of military strikes could be premature unless justifying a separate action was the report's original purpose and that is what everybody is talking about let's talk about what everyone's talking about. university. with a little bit of time now almost a week now to digest it is it all hype or is it alarming take

a side. really i mean i read the report several times compared to the previous report there is very little new industry a lot of patricia's statements a lot of accusations that really doesn't hold after all. it's really violate its own law not transparency it does not side the sources that has used to put this together. is claiming that something was happening back in two thousand before two thousand and three but it is not really saying that after that that it has any information it may may. is used over and over that it may may be developing an explosive device and anywhere he talks about the military is ation of this program nuclear programs

it's basically uses the water possibility possibility possibility writers on one side. you believe all right mark what do you think about the hype that the i.a.e.a. report is thousand pages of intelligence from more than ten countries and it shows indeed. not just that iran is four fifths of the way to developing a highly enriched uranium program but it has fourteen separate designs for installing the nuclear warhead on its reading range missiles that can reach virtually everywhere in the middle east no one can dispute the iranian nuclear program is out there for a nuclear bomb least of which the leaders of iran who keep saying they want to annihilate israel saudi arabia scared after all this is the country that just tried to kill the saudi ambassador in the united states and a terrorist attack that this will the internet is a letter your that's a ridge that's alleged ok. it seems to me most of the gentlemen i've got to go to patrick first before we really jump in here. in london it seems to me and i'm going

to take a sign here but it seems to me that instead of really looking at around it everyone's looking at the i.a.e.a. and it's cast a huge shadow over itself because if we compare it to the last report over the last ahead of the nuclear watchdog this one seems amazingly politicized and is as mark pointed out can countries provided information to this report for those countries are not mentioned whatsoever. no i think really this report does not show just how political the i.a.e.a. is and i really want to go back to fundamental ceasars of really asked what is this officious un affiliates of body during in iran in the first place i don't think it has any real business i would say from the outset really i think weapons inspections and we see this going from two thousand and three to now really playing a much broader broader role in the way in which western countries now intervene in in countries such as around then i think really what you get is the worst worst of

bill both worlds you get kind of western intervention but they do it in a very dishonest way so they try to do in this new true kind of way for using these kind of arms like the u.n. like the i.a.e.a. to go in and basically poke their noses around suffering countries and interfere and i think they should back outs completely and actually i think it's many ways this kind of intervention will put on hold a lot of the uprisings that we've seen in the middle east and potentially prevent the arab spring from developing any further ok mark you see very disapproving go right ahead. definitely and look i.e. a has performed a tremendous function here and it's very careful you should be very careful to know this is the united nations body for example very clearly said that iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction and other basis many americans like myself very much opposed the iraq war now other charges that iran is hell bent under teleplay a nuclear weapon and i think lying to believe them and if you're worried about the arab spring if you worried about the persian people the people who are doing the

green revolution we know that if their government develops a nuclear weapon there is no way they will finally achieve democracy freedom for women and rights in iran listen i doubt he had nuclear weapons of people would have achieved let's. go ahead jump in mark let's yeah i think let's let's make the distinction between it on domestic issues and it's international matters very clear as i pass the people's business they want to overthrow the regime or otherwise that's a different business you are talking about iran's nuclear program first let me say that i am against the plan as asian nuclear programs and you know i mean i mean for for military purposes in the middle east including israel and including iran and pakistan and india and elsewhere let's let's let's put that on the table but the point here is that this particular report that we are talking have created more commotion and sensation that it really are first in real terms and it.

as i said violates its rules of transparency it must lead and bring and tell the world war who these sources are what the countries are provided the resources and beyond that idea. if i.e. is really is interested in coming to an end to a clean solution with iran it really has to put mr lovecraft's land lubber our foreign minister of russia he has an incredible plan workable plan on the table put the united states either on the last one we know for a fact that iran has accepted this basic plan goes up that us either accept that in fact within that plan iran accepted to go along and approve the additional protocol after your ok ok if it was and stick with it if we could very well i'm sorry one

question if i go to mark here i mean what the new york times reported that the head of the i.a.e.a. actually went to the white house and presented his findings twelve days before it was released i mean why does the u.s. get a check of our first i mean it's the i.a.e.a. the united nations body why does it why is only one party given access to it or is it to check to make sure that you know the outcome is right i mean it does look a bit suspicious here. i don't see as much as much as vicious and i look at it if anyone's going to take military action it will probably be the united states and that's why the united states has the strongest encouragement to seek sanctions so that we don't have to rely on the last resort which is military action president obama ran for president said that iran will not become a nuclear power and either president obama will keep his promise or he won't but i want to make sure i think that the united states is is on board and i don't i don't think that process is a big deal i do want to answer the chance point though about domestic interests in iran and the reason why they are important is that whatever you think of pakistan

india israel these are democracies these are countries controlled by their people and iran you have a country a government that very much imposes on its people the persian people want freedom they don't want to stick to the ship they don't like to have women treated as second class citizens our people are largely horrible for example. if you like to ask maurice question before we go to the break ok all that's all nice and fine what you said about democracy but the the nuclear program in iran is actually quite popular with the population well tense i think it's hard to write with the allocation of it's very very difficult to trust polls the idea of the libyan people are quite happy to put our feet did not have nuclear weapons and i think that if the iranian government has nuclear weapons it's a really sad day for the persian people above on ok more pride you want to go ahead first tragedy going very strong that's what i was very struck by the fact the moxy is very happy to speak on behalf of the arabian people i think they should speak on their behalf places rise up and over free are their own thing over it and the government and the deli and i and i think that i think it's a state of war you have played here at the primary i mean that you've been here he

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can. lead. to. welcome back across time purely down to minute we're talking about iran and its nuclear program. the sun. and. the solar. ok patrick i want to go back to you because you were i had a last point to make it on the first half of the program one of the things i think is very interesting here is that and i'll be a little bit provocative and i want to see how you guys react to it but it's really you know looking at the report it's not really an analysis of nucular iran's nuclear program it's a case to go to war against it. well i do think that the i.a.e.a. and as i said kind of other kind of weapons inspectors parties are playing an increasingly important role in effectively paving the way towards potential war i

think i was very evident with the iraq war with the formulation of the quality dossier i know that the i.a.e.a. were directly involved with that but the directive before the director general hans blix certainly was he kind of did a lot of inspections in iraq in there and headed that up but i guess more fundamentally i just wanted to make this point i think that you know the fact that the u.s. were given a privileged access for anyone else to this reports the facts that actually the i.a.e.a. is known in the independent but does alternately just answer to the u.n. and also it's a kind of a bomb or the fact that actually this is being considered in the first place as a delay just to make things that an international body can start to earth actively poking its nose in other countries business. recommend the imposition of sanctions and effectively start to talk has not started to be on behalf of the arabian people in saying this isn't in their interests well actually they should be up to the let's talk about if you see what i want to talk about who's in who's it in whose

interest this is all about right before the report came out mark i want to talk to you in washington and we had a scandal coming out of the israeli cabinet entered on netanyahu trying to get members of his own coalition government on board for an attack on iran and then the report comes out i mean maybe that psychotic or something like that but it certainly can't be a coincidence and israel has been itching for the u.s. to do bomb due to destroy the nuclear program that is there in iran for a walk a long time no i mean this is coming to an head. well first of all silage presume the i will anyone is i noted in iraq what i made very clear against the united states government being controlled by president bush that iraq did not have nuclear or any weapons of mass destruction bush went to war anyway so the i.a.e.a. is not a tool of united states look a war is coming unless iran's nuclear weapons program stop it's that simple and maybe from israel or maybe from the united states. or from europe with your major speech you're assuming that you're assuming that is traditionally if you're going

to do sanctions now ok to show you know it's going to get going records university go ahead. against mr bush in iraq was headed by mr day and that very day in an interview in times magazine flatly said that iran has never had as far as here is concerned a nuclear program designed to our military is a sham so the same that went against mr bush the same now said that iran doesn't have that the military is nation program this is a complete knowledge of the cia is you know i was a let's just patrick going to imagine you are telling this is a tragedy and this is the chinaman what's going to take you to london what we're seeing is kind of scaremongering here basically war is imminent unless it's building nuclear weapons now it's not. for the u.s. and israel to decide whether or not it starts the war in iran it's the fact that it

does build nuclear weapons doesn't necessarily mean they're going to use them and who is it really for the u.s. israel the west to decide who or who doesn't develop nuclear weapons anyways i mean questions to be close suffering countries to make those decisions i just want to make this point is i think what we're seeing here really is a modern form of colonialism from these countries they're using weapons inspections agencies the u.n. accessory to keep down these countries that they see to be disappearing unruly not trust worthy of possessing these kind of weapons i think that's really problematic if you just kind of old formula here are a phrase. good thing it was a radio you know arab emirates egypt turkey you're going to have all these countries and you're going to have a nuclear bomb and let me let me jump in here the only please let me jump in here on america gentlemen let me jump in here marc if i can go to you and i could. very short of one sentence from the report today to iran has not provided the agency

access to the heavy water stored at your in your rainy and conversion facility in order to take samples that's an accusation here but if you check but heavy water production is not covered by iran safeguards agreement i mean it's saying it's iran is doing things that it's should be doing but it's not true i mean the fact the matter is there are certain things that don't fall under agreements that iran is sign but they're still accused of not being cooperate to it's a blatant mistake right to report here on his side nuclear nonproliferation. treaty so so i guess it's also something i say no guards agreement to the additional the most routinized nuclear program in history. well except that iran is not allowing i scrutinize the program look if you don't have a peaceful program originally they said they were going to take the lower and wish iranian ship to russia for processing that it could only be used for peaceful purposes whatever happened to the idea well you run recognize it actually shipped

it out they could develop a nuclear warheads the i.a.e.a. has made very clear in a very very detail and if you haven't read those appendixes in the fourteen pages they show the design of the iranian warhead and how the nuclear bomb could be put in the warhead i mean i think you're living in a dream world and the thing is is that the other countries in the region it's not just israel and saudi arabia and the u.a.e. and egypt and turkey and soon you will have a massive nuclear arms race in the middle east with a lot of terrorism you know there's not one country could get the way i do want to show you there's one country in the region that does have nuclear weapons and it's israel go ahead hooshang rector's university go ahead look at first the first first eat on has. responded in detail. the studies that dealt with the building a nuclear device or weapons. the military itself that has been already. has those import nations but betty creation why is he right you could.

not say the russian no no that's the strength to a society and i said to me well look if you cannot sit at the table while it is likely just give them up to my friends and my friends you don't you cannot tell a country not to do any of studies for any reason at the fact you can tell a country how to do a little open gasoline without building it i mean it's all done that is of course is building it was very energy julian gentlemen not only there's a very good question hang on here hang on everybody i am a perfect answer let me go to patrick in london ok look i mean there are thousands of troops on both sides american troops on both sides of iran there is a very. a strong american fleet to the south ok and it's being threatened constantly with attack and maybe even invasion so i mean if i were part of the political elite and to run i would probably want to nuclear weapon because you know maybe if you don't and you fall down the path of what iraq libya i mean no wonder

north korea is going down that path i mean i'm just saying there are countries actually rationally in their own national interests. you know i think they too i think in many ways it wouldn't necessarily be in iran's interest to to develop a new tone because i mean that's as they point out sometimes they have worn out so you then obviously they can be completely obliterated i israel and the us successor i think what we're seeing here to an extent is an erosion of kind of moral authority from the west in many ways they now feel the need. for inspectors to go into these countries and actually build up a seven space allows them to intervene in one way or another why can't you just speak america's lack of confidence i think in many ways it's no longer feels it has a moral force and i mean but even so i think that moral authority is very problematic what we're doing here is when we say oh there might be an arms race or the u.a.e. may want to develop nuclear weapons other countries in that region might see this person saying the only people who are civilized enough to possess nuclear weapons or this kind of power are the disappearance in the west i think it's

a very popular country imagining are you dreaming that is the world is actually used to one is actually used in the united states is used as weapons exactly going to the only country that if you mark go ahead mark go ahead in washington i think it was stated patrick who shared his make are making is there conflating the iranian government with the country of iran and they say iran iran iran is if the government represented the people of iran they do not the people are very much trying to overthrow their dictatorship the persian people happen to be some of those protesters in pro israel pro-democracy protests women's rights people in the middle east but they are being put down by their own government and i fear that there are. little weapons to put their own people down democracy is having nuclear weapons is one thing when a dictatorship has them it leads to a far more dangerous world who shall go ahead that's just all right you have not just first all right but he's resigned is that there is there is no persian people people in persian are still is

a small bunch of people the ethnic community here so that's not persian that's number one second same people give those young people are also untidy. those iranian people the same futile he really is how the regime is anxious that they are suffering from american sanctions from israeli war they are suffering from did regime yes you are absolutely right the point here is this i believe if the united states wanted iran to build nuclear weapons it is trying to do its best to do it i mean what the u.s. is doing what israel is are doing are really pushing this damage are partly a war between a zation i think there is a plot out there exactly opposite amicably and that they're actually let me explain to let me explain that mr lockwood of the foreign minister of russia has put a plan on the table the plan say let's work a deal between the five plus one and iran on an incremental basis and there which

iran will suspend its illicit activities and the u.s. will lift sanctions now part of that iran has accepted accept that if i the additional protocol it has accepted to show her i will be one here. who are ready for us along the way they promised they would. it's would be part of that they have accepted to send that have you done it was i shall they have accepted any gentlemen gentlemen really scientifically gentlemen were fast we running out of time here patrick i want to give you the last word in the program let me see if you get past this i'm going to see is this just a drumbeat of war go ahead i'm quite got slapped by my side assumption that he can speak on behalf of the iranian people you know better than they can you know he seems have some sound of guardian guardian of the iranian people who can't be seen to take their own initiative and actually overthrow the governments themselves i

think any intervention in the west like going to run is going to play is going to put any kind of potential uprising or arab spring in iran on the whole all right gentlemen gentlemen we're running out of time we'll see where this goes many thanks my guest today in london washington and it record university in new jersey thanks to our viewers for watching us here arche see you next time remember to stop. taking. the. world with. its technology innovation all the lives developments from around russia we've got the future covered. song.

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