welcome the lower show get the real headlines with none of the mercy or to be live out of washington d.c. now tonight we're going to take a look back at the g.o.p. debate from this weekend of focus specifically on foreign policy and we learned a lot mostly of the majority of today's republican candidates are ok with torture and extrajudicial killing so we're only two candidates up hold the rule of law what does that say about the direction this country is heading in and police cleared out the occupy oakland camp peacefully this weekend but occupiers are valid to go back so we have to ask how much longer this can go on before the movement needs

a new strategy. is on the ground in oakland is going to fill us in with all the details and a number of organizations have fallen and with this brief asking the supreme court to declare the f.c.c. as indecency regulations as unconstitutional so are the rules on bad words on t.v. a little bit outdated we're going to have all that and more fit and i include in advance of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. so on saturday night c.b.s. and the national journal hosted yet another g.o.p. debate unfortunately this is a debate that probably not all that many people watched it was nestled away on a saturday night and i say unfortunately because when it comes to foreign policy which this debate focused on we can see exactly how clueless how inconsistent how outright crazy some of these candidates really are with the exception of ron paul and jon huntsman the other candidates all seem to support waterboarding which is a form of torture as an acceptable technique. i don't see it as to what you i see

it as an advanced interrogation technique if i were president i would be willing to use waterboarding and i think it was very effective for me and three. so by today the president had fired back defending his position. controversial practice of waterboarding back in the spotlight at the g.o.p. presidential debate president obama is where we start using gauging his two thousand and twelve waddled he says herman cain of a shell bachmann are just plain wrong for saying that they'd be willing to use a controversial interrogation technique some candidate said that president obama was wrong to ban the cia interrogation method it doesn't say a good example to the rest of the world where the u.s. is involved in something since he told me when i asked if i see him phatic lee said it is torture waterboarding is torture. it's contrary to america's traditions it's contrary to our ideals that's not who we are that's not how we operate we don't

need it. now is waterboarding and torture wrong and contrary to american ideals yes one hundred percent no question about it yes but decisions made by our officials post nine eleven put a very dark shadow over our actions as a country and the president's decision to ban torture was obviously the right one but here's where i start to get a little bit frustrated where the mainstream media is supposed to be the government watchdog once again just starts reporting on these stories as if it's just any old conversation just the usual to pretend i don't think of all occasions can agree on the mainstream media should realize above all that we have certain laws and standards for a reason in this country and not treat torture as one of those areas where flexibility is suddenly cocksure we're also drives me crazy is when they act like this is just a war of words worth reporting today and they forget about some of the darker practices that are still carry out the rest of the time let me just remind you

yesterday was ten years since the day that george w. bush signed an executive order for military commissions for terror suspects at guantanamo bay now ten years later on one obey is still open and the obama administration which criticized military commissions has now given into right wing fear mongering you decided to keep using them for good no detainees the obama administration is also signed a formal detention policy to hold certain detainees indefinitely and never let them see a day in court the obama administration has also decided not to prosecute anybody from the bush administration for the torture and other atrocities that were committed. and to be honest we don't even really know if people aren't still being tortured it may not be americans that are doing it as jeremy scahill reported a few months ago we have proxy prisons set up in somalia where detainees are not treated so kindly all cia black sites in afghanistan were shut down we still have secret prisons across the country that are now just being run by the military and special units and instead of capturing and torturing as an overall strategy we now

have an in ministration that has decided to focus on killing so the legal business never has to get in their way and as you know that killing is extended to taking out american citizens and we're all a lot the without any due process so while president obama may have outlawed torture and stands by that decision he's got a lot of explaining to do on lies continued and even expanded upon other bush policies where our mainstream media they don't really like to bring that up to right leaning outlets will be like those policies so what's to criticize the left leaning outlets they find a little too inconvenient when they're trying to make a point about how much better and more humane democrats are but it's still a very serious issue that needs to be discussed needs to be thanks to needs to be highlighted so the politicians don't think that none of us are paying attention or our constitution and our values are completely trampled on but they like to pretend like it's just a simple tit for tat between obama and the contenders trying to take his seat he said she said and that he's wrong he's wrong all of you need to step back from the post nine eleven world of fear and paranoia that allows for the street laws to be

stretched and bent and decimated and all of you need to come back to reality but that's what the mainstream media has become part of the post nine eleven machine chooses to miss. now as i already mentioned this weekend's foreign policy debate was a little tough to watch in certain cases it was obvious the candidates knew very little about they were asked in other cases the pro torture pros as a nation pro-war arguments made it seem like those who want to be commander in chief care nothing for the pursuit of peace or the of law and perhaps the most disturbing part of the whole night was that despite trying very hard to criticize our democratic president's foreign policy agenda in too many ways his actions and their beliefs actually aligned and joining me to discuss this is lawrence korb senior fellow at the center for american progress when thanks so much for joining

us once you first started did you find this debate as cringeworthy it is difficult to watch as i did on saturday night it was pretty difficult to follow it with the third one of these people could be the next president of the united states what did you find what is the most disturbing aspect or the worst part of it well i think the worst was when they said they're going to put priority to zero the other words we would give anybody any foreign aid i mean what happened they have to be fired former secretaries of state including four republicans rather let us say that's ridiculous being foreign aid is one boy in which we protect our national interest that will go to our values makes it less likely we'll have to use military force are you reading about that because we have a series of clips here but just now showing the audience what some of the views were on torture unfortunately turned out to jon huntsman around all over the only two that stood up there and said it's a moral it's wrong and i don't either you can do have imagined that in this in a pre nine eleven world where the majority of candidates for president are out there advocating for waterboarding well fortunately i think with some of those

people i could have you know the great irony is john mccain who was the republican nominee in two thousand and eight was against waterboarding is torture. they have to this debate he came out again and said waterboarding is torture and the very fact that herman cain would say i'm against torture for waterboarding shows you don't know what he's talking about because waterboarding is torture and there's a lot of back and forth going on there but you know some people today have even said that perhaps part of it part of the reason why you have g.o.p. contenders speaking so openly advocating for torture is because president obama didn't actually do anything to fix it he he outlawed torture but he didn't actually hold hold anybody accountable in the bush administration but he well i mean there's no doubt about the fact that he outlawed torture and tried to close guantanamo now he wasn't able to prosecute the people in the cia because leon panetta who was under director tried to tell him that a lot of the people who did it board following orders from the bush administration

members of the bush administration that said waterboarding was legal but a former vice president dick cheney still takes credit for waterboarding getting so maybe we're going to admit it and george w. bush has openly admitted it was obama has not i mean that's been a very very big important distinction but they've openly admitted that i'm camera right i mean these are things that anybody can say were ordered by the highest rung of officials from within the oval office so why not actually try to pursue it well i mean it's a big you know i mean the fact of the matter is that the cia director now secretary of defense panetta convinced president obama that if you try to you wouldn't be able to convict him because they were following legal opinions given to them by the bush administration but part of justice which were wrong but still they gave them to the ones that they are they suck out right but that's what you do is you find the lawyers that you know what i want to say what he did i mean the bush

administration pushed out on the on the cia i want to i want to get into some of the clips last night and kind of following out from a little treasure discussion or discussion here is they actually brought out these consummation or the. willing u.s. citizen without any due process in their system can set. this individual who would align himself with the group. and some of this could join with a group like al qaeda declares war on america and we're in a war with that entity that of course anyone who is bearing arms is fair game for the united states of america he's not a terrorist suspect he's a person who was found guilty under review of actively seeking the death of america if you engage in war against the united states you are an enemy combatant you have none of the civil liberties union. now if you take i find this disturbing because people were cheering when they were talking about his dad and you have you gingrich who is saying that he was found guilty by what secret national security panel in

the white house it's not something that makes need comparable and yet again is something that this president started well the congress was exaggerating he wasn't found guilty it was the fact of the matter was that he had evidence that he was promoting terrorism these types of four for example and some of the other things that was that you have never shown the evidence to anybody have never shown any courts they've never shown it to the american people and you know that's something i wish that the moderators would at least try to bring up is that if you have evidence you don't necessary then don't shield it from us well i mean basically i think the obama administration could have been more forthcoming what they did admit you know they didn't try and cover it up and say you know he's not an american citizen or anything like that they've forewarned of the head of fact that's what they were going to do well i think that's the believed that they could do for doing that without due process but let's get back to this issue of foreign aid rick perry specifically was the one that started it and said built when i'm in office take

a look. the foreign aid budget in mind ministration for every country is in the storage zero dollars. zero thank. you it will have a conversation in this country about whether or not a penny of our taxpayer dollars needs to go into those kind of obviously. israel is a special ally and my bet is that we would be funding limit its some substantial well but it makes sense for everyone to come in to zero and make your case. theory of how this was concerning to you because this is how you can tax many of your foreign relations but it's again this immediately having to walk it back because of because of israel's rise it was so scary well i mean i think the israel situation points out that some of the money we've given this foreign aid are true what people who are our allies and it's interesting later on they get into pakistan and none of

the wanted to have relations the only one who made sense all that was former senator santorum said you got to help because i care enough there rick santorum was the n.r.a. i have a ways there and yes it is scary because he doesn't have a chance to get the nomination but the fact of the matter is the packers fairly support support the fuel that goes across their cog tree that helps our troops in afghanistan and i think what is i mean unfortunately a lot of americans sleep we spend a lot war in florida and you can we do if you say how much of the budget goes to foreign aid you know they'll say oh twenty percent how much do you think is right they'll say the least time it's less than one per se it's not that we're giving away so much money it's good a lot of it goes to help countries who are dealing with health problems who are dealing with. terrorism so i mean it does an awful lot of good and the evidence is very clear that it improves the u.s. image around the world which was important for our foreign policy to create harmony is what was called up under republicans you know it's very very greatly exaggerated

john kind of by that they like to focus on now when they're talking that spending had last the i think they were running out of time they just had a little clip because they did spend a lot of time on iran and want to show that. this is of course president obama's greatest failing before policy standpoint i would not do to take a military opposition i'm talking about to help the opposition in that country and then there's one other thing that we could do we could deploy with ballistic missile the bits capable aegis warships strategically in better part of the world maximum covert operations. to block and disrupt the iranian program including taking out their scientists including breaking up their systems all of that covertly all of a deniable second maximum maximum ordination with the israelis in a way which allows them to maximize their impact in around look one thing you can know and that is if we reelect barack obama iran will have

a nuclear weapon and if we elect mitt romney if you like me as the next president they will not have a nuclear weapon. pretty bold statement to make there but some of the other stuff couldn't you argue that perhaps the obama administration is already engaging in it we know the u.s. and israel writing together who knows about the stock next stuxnet virus who knows why ronnie and scientists are dropping dead rose no doubt if for example gingrich showed his immaturity talking about covert operations you shouldn't say you're going to do with those are things you do without telling people and they because more effective and you know romney saying they won't we might see president bush say we will not let north korea get a nuclear weapon guess what they got it then what did you do you have to be careful you make promises and you can't fulfill them out your door and your credibility and we can live with you know within your brand with it with a lot of thought nuclear weapons here for the wall during the cold war we had the soviets thirty to forty thousand. the soviets were very concerned with china got

a nuclear weapon what we live with. and so i think it's really ridiculous this whole reaction i learned i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and i think you only if you and i are least on the same page when it comes to not wanting any of these people to be the commander in chief thanks so much thank you. well still to come tonight we're going to take a closer look at the occupy movement underway across the country the locations of violence over the weekend as police move house has just been at camp sites and word this is a scene an outlet for the occupiers were also forced to leave their sites are two things are the same cabinet office on the scene i should bring us all the latest things are. internal. difficult work to bring justice work. i have every right to know what my government would want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as

a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so silly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm trying hard to look at the big picture.

mr. there's still believes in it. what a protest nobody seems to know. but never appropriate to face but part of the argument that they're being overly dramatic. well the occupy movement is on its fifty ninth day of protest and despite the best efforts of the media police and politicians it is still going strong this weekend represented yet another round of the vixens and mass arrests across the country was

city politicians and police ordering protesters to leave their campsite in chapel hill north carolina about fifty protesters took over an abandoned chrysler building on saturday night making their new territory with signs and banners and the group which is an offshoot of occupy chapel hill was met with twenty five heavily armed commandos twenty police or so who came in right ran in no warning at all. and had their their assault rifles pulled out and put a gun in my face and put guns in everybody's faces and screamed at us to get on the ground because it is going. least eight people were arrested on charges of breaking and entering as they're trying to protect their new location and the mayor of chapel hill has released a statement saying that while he wants to protect free speech the public needs to recognize the property holders even if it's an abandoned building it's not clear as of yet if the property owners in this case actually asked for that efficient and salt lake city demonstrators were ordered to leave their campsite and pioneer park

. nineteen people in total were arrested last night most for trespassing and failure to disperse after police told them to leave pioneer park by the curfew. so that nineteen people were arrested for resisting the eviction notice the police then used a bulldozer to clean up after the protesters were clear and the rest of us was occupiers or relocating to ogden and hashing out a new plan to resume their demonstrations and in portland oregon those that have camped out in lawns dale and chapman squares faced eviction from their local police force it was following orders from portland's mayor who insisted the occupiers had to leave at twelve o one am sunday morning so the portland occupiers use this is an excuse to have a party thousands of people gathered in the square all while the police watched for just a little bit of the police then move into the crowd swinging nightsticks and announcing to crowds over loudspeakers that they may also be subject to chemical agents and impact weapons take a look. now

about fifty people were arrested during the eviction and by sunday evening the square has been mostly clear now since those parks have been cleared by police the protesters have moved to pioneer courthouse square and they plan their they plan to regroup and reorganize that they continue their movement so looks like that patience in cities across the country is beginning to wear thin which takes us to our latest survey in oakland. occupy oakland had been anxiously awaiting a new crackdown all we get after the tragic death happened near the oakland occupy camp last week and the shooting was in no way related to the protesters but it didn't stop city officials from using that as an excuse to tell them that they need to tell the yesterday police cleared out the occupiers and franco got applause in what comparatively could be seen as a peaceful event like the original raid weeks ago or the ending of a general strike that shut down the port of oakland but tonight protesters occupy

oakland are promising to gather at the downtown oakland library to figure out their next steps including how do we occupy the plaza so does this mean occupy oakland could be nearing an end and what does it say about the movement's developments nationwide joining me to discuss it is our t.v. producer of the half enough lucy now i know that you got to oakland over the weekend so can you give us a few details as to what exactly happened when police cleared out. sure we had actually gone to bed not knowing whether there is going to be a raid or not and two minutes literally actually under hotel room about two am there was a mass text alert that the occupiers had sent out saying that there's credible reports of police staging at a sporting event stadium here and leaving to come towards the plaza to finally begins this raid that everyone's been waiting for we got down to the area there is about several hundred protesters most of them were standing out on the street we saw the presence of helicopters and then several hundred police officers in full riot gear descended on the plaza essentially closing off different intersections

moving in at the protesters and blocking off the different streets now contrary to last time they didn't really use the tear gas we didn't see any use of flash bang grenades or any of the heavy mechanized non lethal weaponry so the it behave by those standards it was relatively peaceful but they did surround the plaza they went in there was about thirty two people that were arrested and for the most part it was it was a peaceful takeover but very very tense but i think protesters were expecting a lot more of a cracked. and we did sort of see a more concerted effort by the police perhaps in light of the p.r. disasters over the past few weeks not really provoking protesters as much but people are certainly appeared out of it we got these little plastic baggies that folks are taken around that had gas masks and different masks especially here ok so convince her the stench of senator was really really strong in the air to protect against here i guess they were expecting clashes but it did go down fairly

peacefully now how are people there feeling about the fact that the city the civic way the mayor jean quan is using that tragic incident from last week or somebody was shot as an excuse or perhaps a reason to say it's time for them to go. well i mean as expected if they you know if you had a tea party where a man had a heart attack and officials said that all tea party events are hotbeds fatal heart attacks and artery disease obviously that would make much sense and that's sort of the perception here i mean that's an exception to the general mood at the camp there we haven't seen a mass shootings anywhere really in the country related to the occupy. movements except maybe in terms of nonlethal weapons shot by the police so i think people really felt like it was an excuse and they were being scapegoated for the actions of people that weren't exactly one hundred percent directly related to the movement so there's a lot of frustration there's not much love for the mayor for the police force and you have to remember that this is a city of hope oakland a city that has years and years and years of tense ties with police officers

they've had numerous shootings of armed people here and so a lot of people feel like it was just a. excuse a pretext to raid the camp for political reasons all right and i guess that i know that today they're planning to march again to meet downtown at the library and haven't happened yet but is there a plan of action or do you think that there is some divisions emerging as to whether people want to stay or go back to the park and try to reoccupy or not i think people are a little bit confused at the moment again they are going to need a short. that aside this and there are there's a lot of talk of preoccupying the closet now the mayor has said that in a few hours the posit will be open for them to peacefully gather there but they are not going to let people camp over this is a really strong really militant group of folks and i definitely think that we will see efforts. on some people's behalf to say at the plaza how this city's going to be able to handle that remains to be seen because remember this is a cash strapped. is it to hold it over to you to prevent these people from

physically entering and you know the bill tucker police departments are charging something like seven hundred thousand dollars a head for the use of these officers i mean how long is a city realistically going to continue even to continue to spend that much of this kind of protection but interestingly you know in stark contrast to what we saw for example in d.c. or even in new york city there are really strong divisions in this camp like what we talked about a few weeks ago with some of the sort of more radical anarchists advocating the black bloc tactics the destruction of violence all those divisions so remain in fact they were arguing about that yesterday evening so i feel like there's a lot of sort of. dissolution on the part of the process just are not using this time to sort of regroup and come up with a plan of action they're busy right now fighting each other and trying to figure out you know what kind of tactics to use and i don't think that's a very good sign in terms of remaining strong to keep this movement going i don't know how that's going to play out perhaps the rate will unify them but right now it does seem really fraught with your vision i think now you've been you know our

person on the ground you were in zuccotti park for weeks you've been in oakland so you've been covering this occupy movement since the very beginning and i'm just curious if you think that maybe a three to a bit of a standstill or maybe if it's even starting to regress a little bit because eventually i think you have to assume that since cities are going to start losing their patience and we saw rates all across the u.s. this weekend now we see divisions within the movement do you think that they need a leader do you think that they need a different strategy to try to really keep the momentum going. i mean i don't know if a leader per se is going to resolve that having a figurehead doesn't necessarily change the the conditions that are making it difficult for cities to sort of keep up with these occupations but do you think that perhaps a focus if if i were an occupy wall street protester focus on things like the general strike that we saw here in oakland shutting down certain large targets to get their point across would be a lot more effective than for example the is the lack. tactics that we've seen i

mean it's very difficult to sort of find a delicate balance between the protesters needs and the cities that are in fact trying to sort of keep the peace to some degree i mean yes it is absurd to you know use seven hundred police officers at a cost of nearly one million dollars to keep a bunch of tents out of a public plaza that is ridiculous but at the same time you know the longer these occupations go on you get sort of more people that aren't necessarily there for it because of the movement and to be quite honest with you we have seen you know a small fraction of kids who are there to do drugs and you know homeless people who may not necessarily be there to to partake in the movement either just coming in for the free food for the shelters and then once this movement grows the harder it is for these these protesters to keep it organized and to keep it contained so it's a really really teluk at balanced they don't really know how it's going to play out but we do know that the use of force of course will i think inspire more people to join in outrage and it will it will gardner international condemnation so that's

a really difficult situation for city officials to be and i think we're just going to keep watching it this thursday in fact it's going to be two months since that the movement began so who knows how to govern their lives he thanks for filling us and. thank you. are coming out in response to our viewers and you said it i read it and then our the f.c.c. has rules on indecency outdated and comes on the supreme court to change the current f.c.c. policy so as a retired. internal we're doing the mechanisms you don't work to bring justice or accountability. you have a right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i'm going to taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic. of american exceptionalism.