from the streets of canada. for a show today. grading on their parade cross the us police are in victims occupy wall street protesters the day after day the occupiers just keep coming back so could the scene in oakland be changing r t is live there and we'll have a report from california china is really in the driver's seat backs and this is coming at an awkward time for the united states because you know it's clearly a declining power at the same time president obama isn't helping rig that notion this is he sells china to behave like a grownup so as the u.s. calls behind and china speeds ahead is this mentality something the u.s. will regret later down the road during the cold war or the fall through on.

promises promises candidate obama was full of them president obama is a different story so is the u.s. marks the ten year anniversary of the most expensive prison in history take a look back and also ahead to discuss why president obama still has not signed get wrote down. it's monday november fourteenth seven pm in washington d.c. i'm christine watching our team. let's begin with the latest in the occupy wall street movement going around the country this coming thursday will mark two months since the movement began since people have been camping out in parks organizing protests and demanding change for the economic and political system in america and indeed there have been changes made mainly a renewed focus on topics like the power of big banks and inequality in america

there's also going to bright spot light shined on police brutality after police in many cities used tear gas rubber bullets tons. riot gear to deal with many of the protesters badly injuring a few of them now over the weekend police across the country swept through many of those camps evicting protesters and arresting dozens of people in portland oregon police encircled a camp where occupy members have been staying and arrested about fifty people who did not comply with that eviction order in st louis missouri twenty seven people spent the night in jail after refusing to leave the park they've been staying in since october first and in salt lake city utah nineteen people taken into custody saturday after police issued an injunction notice and cleared out the park there now look at oakland california over the last few weeks we've seen police leave peaceful protesters in critical condition then back off a little bit well now they've returned tearing down encampments and removing

protesters one by one. our team producer who's a captain obvious to no one with a first hand look at some of the changes we've seen there. we'll talk about this hopefully made national headlines when police and riot gear nearly kill one of those protesters iraq war veteran scott olsen quite a bit for a little while but now it seems they're back in the business of clearing these protesters away what's happening here well and it's an expensive business because it costs a lot of money for the city of oakland to do this they don't have the manpower they're out. was just behind us as we speak right now as you can see protesters but if you these forces that are here they're the basic situation is that the payer feels like this amazon role is leaving certain isolated instances like art samples the. young man last week last week or first day. camps on the island so that's sort of equivalent of saying that if you know.

all summer answer somehow of sexually transmitted diseases it doesn't really quite make sense of scare religious texts here i am the mayor as many of our countries under pressure here in these areas because they are growing bigger they are evidence and determine to stay here and so they use these isolated acts of violence as a pretext to clear the cameras i think baby was that really wasn't any violence seen last night not in the heart of testers not of the party he's going to watch of course going to be later this evening because last time i kept that rate it was the following day that we saw those graphic images that turned to just opened into this war zone and that is watching for right here this evening to see how this moves that's what i was going to ask you is and things like this time around at least over the weekend protesters in oakland seemed a little more compliant so you're saying they're expected to be kicked out once again tonight well the positive as you see behind me is closed right now but the

process. french open again at six am they're going to let the protesters come back there but they're going to try to shut it out at ten am and what i expect probably happen is we'll see a smaller group or village and not even the arts and just cameras charmin sustainer to continue to protest to try to hold their ground and how to use force will react so that remains to be seen at once and go we have to keep in mind is tomorrow is a statewide strike the students here in california and so if we see the same kind of heavy handed tactics by the east in oakland there's a really strong chance and the students descends down here and it's going to turn into an all out war so to speak for several days because again the protesters are feeling frustrated that these kind of heavy handed tactics that he is now back home and. trisha each of you might have been to the small. at a cost one trillion dollars to clear all cars that have tabs on it i mean are there bigger crime issues the best that these the cities be focusing their knees or start

a bunch of protesters leaving out and. essentially protest peacefully that's the argument that a lot of these folks mean certainly we've been keeping an eye also on university of california berkeley not too far from where you are that's sort of been the center of the action the student aspects of this movement students very fed up at increased feelings funding cuts for state and city universities i'm wondering though there are people who have said who've looked out what happened i mean you made a really good point and it took all those police officers at a cost of one million dollars but there are people who say you know what winter is coming perhaps this is a sign that the movement is dying down the fact that protesters are being a little more compliant when these police come what do people on the ground think about this i don't think i actually comes from protesters of the group or this guy in town i think their minds comes from fear of getting hit by weapons you know robert bullets tear gas it's really quite simple to hold your ground when your eyes

are stinging and i had hair out. you know at mass but once there are no consistently one thing that we've noticed that there is a lot of division among the protesters here even yesterday instead of for example hearing the strain because all along protesters again demeaning the merits of the possible black bloc tactics of these national does answer to our targets or businesses large proportions for example to get their message heard and it does seem like the campus really divided between those on it right now tactics because that is the entire movement sort of a black eye for health lack i and so whether or not oakland protesters are going to remain by does remains to be seen it does seem like there's lots of missions here but even a little bit surprising i think even if we do see these protests started out again take this like all of this this terrible terrible economic issue and as you know as you know the true top accounts people on this program those conditions are changing anytime soon so what this right clubs perhaps these protests if they do get out of

it will simply grow in strength they get grow in numbers and perhaps we'll learn lessons from our previous occupations sam find a way to sort of meet their voices heard even stronger perhaps even more attempts to shut down or shut down part to common targets like we seen here in oakland october second question just how their. resources are limited resources certainly will be interesting to watch oakland specifically cities like san diego places where winter doesn't hit very hard but i will say i was just occupy d.c. the other day and they are you know the camp there is not only growing but they're sort of weatherizing their camp getting ready to producer lucy cavanagh joining us from oakland california and for the latest information about what's going on in oakland be sure to follow lucy on twitter it's lucy cafe. but i do want to say on this and talk about it a little deeper our team has been covering the occupy wall street movement since it first began on september seventeenth and just

a little earlier i spoke with author and journalist david de graw they've is not only been a part of this movement since day one he's been calling for a movement like this for more than a year so i asked him with everything that's gone on in the past few days if this could be the beginning of the and for this movement here's what he had to say. oh absolutely not i mean there's so many people have some watching personal snowmen at this point we are in like an evolutionary phase of the movement and you know certainly it can or are the main focus of the woman probably you know this is going to evolution or cancer or offsite areas you know people who are donating analysts amounts of resources whether it's buildings and hat or office lease or throughout the country you know part of the story that's missing within a society pride movement is that these protest camps that we can set up and you know part of the reason why these mayors are saying that there is prior once here

the police throats they're saying is things until a certain extent it is true because you know a lot of people who can afford their rents you know are cops are taking people who were drug addicts to slow prison and they're sending them to our camps and we have to use people when we've been helping them greatly you're saying david that police have been sort of escorting drug dealers and people on the streets to the encampment the ak i was hanging out and there are various insistent reports where it had pierced i mean it sounds to spread it out but every time they tried it was very upset really you know like i was going to say here you know people who need medical help people need psychological help people are growth problems you can you get you. need shelter or comments that these camps and we are helping them with all of those you know we have problems your medical problems you know we're constantly

doing our troops you know lou the system is broken and creating all these sort of szell's you know service time problems and they're all coming to us or chrono at these camps and we are tressa musician. no i mean we having endless medical people or you know even of people within the one percent you know even you know superstar us celebrities or musicians they're all coming to us and saying how can we help because everyone knows the system is broken and everyone also knows that the politicians are acting on be fair to the people who from their camp gave us and you know the politicians because ninety or so times politicians that's were only on a campaign wins the election in arkansas now politicians have no clear leader problem so you just bend over backwards corporations but through this movement not only are you getting straight in your you know under the mainstream spotlight that

there are serious problems in this country but we're also creating be able to who lives in you know building towards a sustainable society where david or i under it have to hear that ask you know what is next where is this movement headed you know there's been a lot of comparisons where i was certain events and the tea party in terms of a cohesive movement calling for change the tea party got several people elected into office i mean what kind of actions are in the works that can turn this from a discussion into actual action. well i disagree with you i think it is the advance of this movement and several people you know i mean yes we are protesting a broken corrupt system absolutely but at the same time you also have to create your senator and that's a very difficult process but we are beginning that process and that was author and journalist david accra. now one of the issues occupy wall street protesters are not frustrated with is the economy and is no longer simply a u.s.

economy it is a global economy with so many countries connected i shared financial interests but i want to talk now about what happened over the weekend at the asia pacific economic cooperation summit president obama and chinese president hu jintao. then there are all of that of a tug of war going on over who should get to write the next chapter is in the global economic rulebook the u.s. has been highly critical about china's trade policies on currency practices and what views as too slow appreciation of the one chinese president hu jintao responded to and saying you know first of our u.s. trade deficit and unemployment rate by the one exchange rate he also insisted on more influence from beijing as a growing power but it's a tough talk in front of a packed leaders countries by the way account for more than half of the world's economic output so what will come out of this weekend's meetings to answer that and more as opposed to is a quote times correspondent had to ask of our i asked him what was most concerning

for him about the u.s. china exchange over the weekend here's his response look it's like watching a b. gene or copper you know on a big share of chinese opera it reminded me of you know one of those employers from . watching your. trips or you know middle of nowhere begging to respect the rules it's completely absurd because first of all china is right the rules are set up by the worse no longer china in hurt it. becoming another country list follower and conquering the world by many factory cheap products exported all over the world and united states instead decided to wage wars are all across the world you know in africa as well. what kind of drill sergeants in their right you secondary kerosene they're not going to be fair that they're closing because all burma or biden or if

us congress wants it they have a mechanism inside the bank of china which is coordinating the gradual devaluation of the one this is going to happen within the next short society years and it will reach a maximum worth ten percent us once twenty five percent now it's not going to happen the chinese will be they live and how in the volume of the valuation of their currency so what obama's doing splaying basically to the galleries and save us in assets of the republicans who are practically declaring war on iran and then on china if we're watching the debate as i have certainly what about this national i'm talking about president obama's car that china allow its currency to rise faster in value i mean in favor of the president believes that by giving can't artificially low this is hurting american companies and jobs i mean showing the president as the leader of this country if you really believe that try to fight for these dogs and try to make it to something as done amount as power. it's not hurting american

corporations because americans japanese and european corporations they are going to china because there are many factory some of their best products in china and selling all over the world keeping their profits and whole state toward israel organization of the capital system the working classes and the middle classes in the atlanticist nourse not only in the u.s. but in europe as well so in terms of banking they can they don't care what china is doing fairly well in china as money in china say no first of which you're housing or that in your opinion with think about leaders and. in corporations western corporations question the law of the effect that it legal china if you look allies like reason and keep their profits so all you a little looser segment in all this drama zisha. looking glasses in the lords and you know are you just mentioned as have any other sign ups on this

report g.o.p. presidential candidates taking a dig at china there is sort of a fear mongering that seems to be going on on one side but we also saw michele bachmann comparing the two countries saying in a sense let's get rid of american programs like lyndon johnson's great society bachmann says that this has made the us into a quote welfare state she says if only we were more like china they don't have food stamps then they save for their own retirement so badly i guess i get an idea from you about some of these different views from potential future leaders of this country and the way they view china. look every time i watch a republican debate my cat runs out of the ruled absolutely chair and they're alive and i'm a traitor why is it i agree they've all traveled the have no idea of other cultures they came out of this should read a little bit of the if you strolls for instance when he talks about the other these guys they cannot understand the other the other for them is a trap be it a chinese

a muslim an african american you need it so it got the point to what the the principal thing here is in terms of the problems of us but the more there is there will be only one way to solve part of which would be in terms of. the budget of the pentagon it's not going to be reduced any time soon because what occurred ministration me want is not what the generals what's so we can have full spectrum dominance war forever all over and now they are conceptualizing how they are going to wage war against china even asia as well in the indian ocean and in the south china sea so we should make the connection of what the pentagon what's the long term agenda of what republicans want which is poll sort of the long war the pentagon's long war in iraq it will administration would like to achieve at least as a palliative compared to the problems faced by the middle class in the us. there's

a tall clash and i'm not sure a border will have enough time to explain to an american voters how the global economy liquid not dirty as well as we speak it now or this works so we are not and will already have a band that's what the republicans and the pentagon wants to do and actually can do that in one year and that's what i was going to ask i mean if what you say is there is in fact happening and that their presence in the works and how design ready think us leaders can conceive a things like enough is enough to china. look at obama a stranger like want to get his plane to the gallows because obviously he was watching. in the east probably terrorized that's how i'm going to counteract. this case this kind of rhetoric coming from all the republican candidates he's trying to cause as a harvard professor it's not going to war because the american electorate the are

you reach the are falling three to all sorts of populist their local. call people and all these these republican candidates. we're going to see the rhetoric. within the next few words is going to reach absolutely color all welfare and then you're saying you got to remember this these candidates there are playing to their base as well as right now. we are out of time that i am so sorry as a science correspondent hey i can ask our china bashing. it is now then ten years since president george w. bush signed an executive order sending out military commissions to try terrorism suspects at guantanamo bay so much of the world and this was a place where the harsh interrogation practices by the u.s. came to light because of their candidate barack obama comes to make some changes listen. well global betsy's close down guantanamo restore habeas corpus we're going to lead was shielding the wants of the whole story. because runs out of book i will

follow through on our legitimacy is reduced but we've got. a hole that is open to represent. us and that's where we're going to play as we are. now just a few weeks after coming into office in january two thousand and nine the president did indeed sign an executive order mandating the closure of guantanamo bay within the year but it is now november of two thousand and eleven one tunnel date is open for business with plans for renovations and nearly two hundred detainees still in custody the miami herald carol rosenberg has no doubt spent more time there than any other journalist and writes it's actually the most expensive prison on earth she says the pentagon detention center that started out in january two thousand and two as a collection of crude open air cells guarded by marines in a muddy tent city is today arguably the most expensive prison on earth costing taxpayers eight hundred thousand dollars annually for each of the one hundred

seventy one captives by the obama administration reckoning that's more than thirty times the cost of keeping a captive on u.s. soil well to talk more about this i spoke a little earlier with deputy managing editor of true found out org jason leopold i started out by asking him you know in addition to the cost money wise what other ways is the u.s. pay a high price to keep the doors of guantanamo bay open here's his take. well basically it comes down to the fact that where you played the clip of obama stating that you know we're going to restore habeas corpus. we're they're hypocrites where you dismissed ration has actually fought every he'd be a squirt his case that has appeared in d.c. courtroom so you know we're very good at preaching but not practicing what we're preaching so it's integrity it's credibility credibility is is the

number one issue right now. and there is a lot of rhetoric there's a lot of promises that have been made certainly obama does not there all of the blame congress has voted time and again to withhold funding that would have that would have allowed some of these trials to military commissions some of the trials rather take place in what is referred to as article three federal courts here in the united states that's what i was going to say you know providing the defense department with the money to shut down guantanamo but again just getting back to you know your question integrity credibility that's what i want to say you know president obama needed permission from congress to have suspects tried in federal courts he never got that he also you know i've got to bring this out because this is another argument that the administration brings up and something that i think is worth looking at president obama arguably learned a lot more once he came into office about you know just who is getting i think back

to the christmas day underwear bomber trained in yemen from what i understand there are quite a few protesters get no from yemen and that's just one of many examples i mean is it possible that the president didn't have all the information he needed when he made these promises or do you think something else changed. oh i think it's clearly it's political i think the you know first of all when when obama issued the executive order he halted the military commissions he had a team review all of these cases and they put together a comprehensive file report for the president saying who can we release and and who should be detained indefinitely which is enough itself another question that we should be asking as to why. it's political this came down to deal making with senators such as john mccain lindsey graham where they would not

get behind certain policies that the president wanted to push the word unless there were promises made that first of all quantum a would remain open that military commissions would continue so you know i'm not sure if you're asking what more there is is there some sort of deep dark secret i think that for the most part it's it's it's fear mongering and it's politically charged no one about this notion that president obama you know when he made some of these promises did not have access to some of the intelligence not have you know all the knowledge that he has now i mean could that have been more of a catalyst for changing and learning thing that all politics. i think it's a whole politics i don't think that the you know the intelligence first of all is suspect least with some of the detainees we've seen some of these detainees

assessment breeze these are the documents that were released by wiki leaks earlier this year on all the guantanamo detainees and that makes it very clear that we were holding hundreds of prisoners of detainees. who were were innocent were basically sold to the u.s. for for a bounty and they've been released we have a number of detainees that have since been cleared for release but as you mentioned the incident that took place last christmas with the underwear bomber. pretty much put a. you know put a wrench if you will in opening up any doors to to let detainees out and the administration is continuing to fight the release of. detainees to court say or should be released because the evidence is suspect and certainly seems like a complete one eighty and as you mentioned we are of course in preparation for the next election politics that i of course i want to play

a few clips from this weekend debate and then you can talk about them. i agree that it was. interrogation techniques. and then you would support it is for you would return policy i would return that that policy i don't see it as to what you i see it as an enhanced interrogation technique if i were president i would be willing to use waterboarding i think it was very effective. contrary and i and i also would like to say that today under brock obama he is allowing the a.c.l.u. to run the cia. all right so there we have g.o.p. presidential candidates herman cain and michele bachmann saying that they are in favor of waterboarding it seems there's not a prevailing opinion that what goes on to get mo needs to stunt talk about this as it relates to you know the future. well it's it's just remarkable that that first

of all that they would be willing to send that message to the rest of the world if they want to support a torture techniques such as waterboarding they should also say that they want to rip you to the convention against torture which the u.s. has signed. i think that there is this notion that. that waterboarding or any other torture technique is you know has proved useful we still have these debates revolving around the efficacy of torture it's been proven time and again by people who are who who are on the ground who are actually involved in those interrogations but these techniques did not work that these techniques were not used to extract any information but rather it was used to to get tickets for the to basically get the detainees to be compliant to comply with their interrogators the interrogators had already knew the answers to

the questions that they were asking. i think that in terms of how it plays in the future it's again it's it's it's sort of this. tough guy woman scenario i don't even understand i'm not sure how to how to even respond to to. what they were saying. because again it's it's it's it's proven that it has not been effective in engaging intelligence and we've had people even say that with the death of osama bin laden that. the information that was obtained was not through torture was. it was well after. collate shaikh mohammed was water boarded or anyone else associated i think you bring up an interesting point that these are the messages being sent to the rest of the world i think these candidates don't have that so much in mind as thank you and that they're standing for the republican.