welcome the loner show where you get the real headlines with none of the mersey can live out of washington d.c. now tonight we're going to take a look back at the g.o.p. debate from this weekend that focused specifically on foreign policy and we learned a lot mostly of the majority of today's republican candidates are ok with torture and extrajudicial killing so what only two candidates choose to up hold the rule of law what does that say about the direction this country's heading and then police

cleared out the occupy oakland camp peacefully this weekend but the occupiers are valid to go back so we have to ask how much longer this can go on before the movement needs a new strategy artie's lucy cavanagh is on the ground in oakland is going to fill us in with all the details and a number of organizations have fallen and because brief asking the supreme court to declare the f.c.c. is indecency regulations as unconstitutional so are the rules on bad words on t.v. a little bit outdated or you have all that and more fit and i include a good dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. all right so on saturday night c.b.s. and the national journal hosted yet another g.o.p. debate unfortunately this is the debate that probably not all that many people watched it was nestled away on a saturday night and i say unfortunately because when it comes to foreign policy which this debate focused on we can see exactly how clueless how inconsistent how outright crazy some of these candidates really are and with the exception of ron

paul and jon huntsman the other candidates all seem to support waterboarding which is a form of torture as an acceptable technique. i don't see it as torture i see it as an interrogation technique if i were president i would be willing to use waterboarding and i think it was very effective for me for three. so by today the president had fired back defending his position. controversial practice of waterboarding back in the spotlight at the g.o.p. presidential debate president obama is where we start using gauging his two thousand and twelve bottles he says herman cain of a shell bachmann are just plain wrong for saying that they'd be willing to use a controversial interrogation technique some candidate said that president obama was wrong to ban the cia interrogation method that doesn't set a good example to the rest of the world where the u.s. is involved in something so you told me when i asked the question you practically

said it was torture waterboarding is torture. it's contrary to america's traditions it's contrary to our ideals that's not who we are that's not how we operate we don't need to. now is waterboarding and torture wrong and contrary to american ideals yes one hundred percent no question about it yes the decisions made by our officials post nine eleven put a very dark shadow over our actions as a country and the president's decision to ban torture was obviously the right one but here is where i start to get a little bit frustrated it's where the mainstream media is supposed to be the government watchdog once again just starts reporting on these stories as if it's just any old conversation just the usual tit for tat on something that politicians can agree on the mainstream media should realize above all that we have certain laws and standards for a reason in this country and not treat torture as one of those areas where flexibility is suddenly cocksure we're also drives me crazy is that they act like

this is just a war of words worth reporting today and they forget about some of the darker practices that are still carried out the rest of the time and let me just remind you yesterday was ten years since the day that george w. bush signed an executive order to four military commissions for terror suspects at guantanamo now ten years later on one obey is still open and the obama administration which criticized military commissions has now given in to right wing fear mongering decided to keep using them for good. the obama administration is also signed a formal detention policy to hold certain detainees indefinitely and never let them see a day in court the obama administration has also decided not to prosecute anybody from the bush administration for the torture and other atrocities that were committed. and to be honest we don't even really know if people aren't still being tortured it may not be americans that are doing it but as jeremy scahill reported a few months ago we have proxy prisons set up in somalia where detainees are not treated so kindly while cia black sites in afghanistan were shut down we still have

secret prisons across the country that are now just being run by the military and special units and instead of capturing and torturing as an overall strategy we now have an administration that has decided to focus on killing so that the legal business never has to get their way now as you know that killing is extended to taking out an american citizen on where all the locky without any due process so while president obama may have outlawed torture and stands by that decision he's got a lot of explaining to do on why it's continued and even expanded upon other bush policies that are mainstream media they don't really like to bring that up the right leaning outlets will they like those policies what's to criticize the left leaning outlets they find a little too inconvenient when they're trying to make a point about how much better and more humane democrats are but it's still a very serious issue that needs to be discussed needs to be fixed needs to be highlighted so the politicians don't think that none of us are paying attention when our constitution and our values are completely trampled on but they like to pretend like it's just a simple tit for tat between obama and the contenders trying to take his seat he

said she said instead of he's wrong he's wrong all of you need to step back from the post nine eleven world of fear and paranoia that allows for the street laws to be stretched and bent and decimated and all of you need to come back to reality that's what the mainstream media has become part of the post nine eleven machine chooses to miss. now as i already mentioned this weekend's foreign policy debate was a little tough to watch in certain cases it was obvious the candidates knew very little about they were asked and other cases the pro torture pro is as a nation pro. more arguments made it seem like those who want to be commander in chief care nothing for the pursuit of peace or the law and yet perhaps the most disturbing part of the whole night was that despite trying very hard to criticize our democratic president's foreign policy agenda in too many ways his actions and

their beliefs actually a lie and joining me to discuss this is lawrence korb senior fellow at the center for american progress and thanks so much for joining us this is what you first started did you find this debate as cringe worthy it is difficult to watch as i did on saturday night it was pretty difficult to follow it with one of these people could be the next president of the united states what did you find what was the most disturbing aspect or the worst part of it well i think the worst was when they said they were going to put forward a two zero in other words we wouldn't give anybody the foreign aid i mean what happened after that you had five former secretaries of state including four republicans why the low say that's ridiculous i mean foreign aid is one way in which we protect our national interest and promote our values makes it less likely we'll have to use military force are you worrying about that because we have a series of clips here but just now showing the audience what some of the views were on torture unfortunately turned out to jon huntsman or ron paul were the only two that stood up there and said it's immoral it's wrong and i don't you know you

could do have imagined that in this in a pre nine eleven world where the majority of candidates for president are out there advocating for waterboarding well unfortunately i think what some of those people could have you know the great irony is john mccain who was the republican nominee in two thousand and eight was against waterboarding as torture and they have to this debate he came out again and said waterboarding is torture and the very fact that herman cain would say home against torture but i'm for waterboarding shows you don't know what he's talking about because waterboarding is torture. and there's a lot of back and forth going on there but you know some people today have even said that perhaps part of this part of the reason why you have g.o.p. contenders speaking. so openly advocating for torture is because president obama didn't actually do anything to fix it he outlawed torture but he didn't actually hold hold anybody accountable for the bush administration what he may well i mean there's no doubt about the fact that he outlawed torture and tried to close

guantanamo and now he was of able to prosecute the people in the cia because leon panetta who was then the director tried to tell them that a lot of the people who did it board following orders from the bush administration remember the bush administration that said waterboarding was legal facts former vice president dick cheney still takes credit for waterboarding getting so maybe nobody had met and george w. bush has openly admitted it and obama has not i mean that's been a very very big important distinction but they've openly admitted that on camera right i mean these are things that anybody could say were ordered by the highest rung of officials from within the oval office so why not actually try to pursue it well i mean aren't you a big you know i mean the fact of the matter is that then cia director now secretary of defense panetta convince president obama that if you try to you wouldn't be able to convict him because they were following legal opinions given to them by the bush administration department of justice which were wrong but still

they gave them to the ones that they are they suck out right but that's what you do is you find the lawyers that you know well i don't have to say i didn't i mean the bush administration pushed out on the on the cia i want to i want to get into some of the clips last night and kind of following out from of this treasure discussion or discussion here is that they actually brought up the assassination or the killing of a u.s. citizen without any due process and here's the candidate said. this is an individual who would align himself with a with a group of. states of america and if there's some of that's going to join with a group like al qaeda declares war on america and we're in a war with that entity that of course anyone who is bearing arms with the entity is fair game for the united states. he's not a terrorist suspect he's a person who was found guilty under review of actively seeking the death of america if you engage in here against the united states you are an enemy combatant you have none of the civil liberties union story. now is your take i find this disturbing a

because people were cheering when they were talking about his death and you have new gingrich who is saying that he was found guilty but by what secret national security panel in the white house it's not something that makes me comfortable and yet again is something that this president started well gingrich was exaggerating he wasn't found guilty but the fact of the matter was that he had evidence that he was promoting terrorism these talks at fort hood for example and some of the other things that was the evidence that they have never shown the evidence to anybody have never shown any courts they were showing it to the american people and you know that's something that i wish that the moderators would at least try to bring up is that if you have evidence you don't necessary then don't shield it from this well i mean very sick i think the obama administration could have been more forthcoming but they did admit you know they didn't try and cover it up and say you know he's the author of american citizen or anything like god they forewarn go ahead of the fact that's what they were going to do well i think that's the least

that they could do for doing that without due process but let's get back to this issue of foreign aid rick perry specifically was the one that started it and said built when i'm in office take a look. the foreign aid budget in mind ministration for every country is going to storage zero dollars. i. think it will have a conversation in this country about whether or not a penny of our taxpayer dollars needs to go into those countries you simply. israel is a special ally and my bet is that we would be funding limit at some substantial well but it makes sense for everyone to come in to zero and make your case. here to how this was concerning to you because this is how you can docks many of your foreign relations but it's again this immediately having to walk it back because of because of israel why is it was so scary well i mean i think the israel situation

points out that some of the money we've given this foreign aid are to people who are our allies and it's interesting later on they get into pakistan and none of the want to have relations the only one who made sense all that was former senator santorum said you've got to help us talk area now that rick santorum was the headline of a way that yes it is scary enough because he doesn't have a chance to get the nomination but the fact of the matter is the pakistani support supports the fuel that goes across there called tree that helps our troops in afghanistan and i think what is i mean unfortunately a lot of americans think we spend a lot more in foreign aid than we do if you say how much of the budget goes to foreign aid you know they'll say oh twenty percent how much do you think is right they'll say a least ten it's less than one percent it's not that we're giving away so much money but a lot of it goes to help climb trees who are dealing with health problems who are dealing with. terrorism so i mean it does an awful lot of good and the evidence is very clear that it improves the u.s.

image around the world which was important for our foreign policy to create harmony is what was caught up on the republicans now it's very very greatly exam. chunk of the budget they like to focus on now when they're talking about spending cuts lastly i think they are running out of time they just have a little clip because they did spend a lot of time on iran and i want to show the audience what they said. this is of course president obama's greatest failing but a foreign policy standpoint i would not get to a military opposition i'm talking about to help the opposition in that country and then there's one other thing that we could do we could deploy with ballistic missile defense capable aegis warships strategically in that part of the world maximum covert operations. to block and disrupt the iranian program including taking out their scientists including breaking up their systems all of that covertly all of a deniable second maximum maximum ordination with the israelis in

a way which allows them to maximize their impact in around look one thing you can know and that is if we reelect barack obama iran will have a nuclear weapon and if we elect mitt romney if you like me as the next president they will not have a nuclear weapon. pretty bold statement to make there but some of the other stuff couldn't you argue that perhaps the obama administration is already engaging in it we know that the u.s. and israel are working together who knows about the stock next stuxnet virus who knows why iranian scientists are dropping dead well there's no doubt if for example gingrich owed his immaturity by talking about covert operations you shouldn't say you're going to do with them those are things you do without telling people and they'd be called more effective and you know romney is saying they won't be the mice with president bush so we will not let north korea get a nuclear weapon well guess what they got it then what did you do you have to be careful you make promises and you can't fulfill them out to undermine your credibility and we can live with you know within all ran with it with

a couple of nuclear weapons here after all during the cold war we had the soviets thirty to forty thousand. the soviets were very concerned. and we're trying to got the nuclear weapon what we live with but also he told me and so i think it's really ridiculous this or reaction are lawrence i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and i think you elise you and i are always on the same page when it comes to not wanting any of these people didn't even commander in chief thanks so much thank you. well still to come tonight we're going to take a closer look at the occupy movement underway across the country some locations got violent over the weekend as police removed protesters from their campsite and were visit the scene in oakland where the occupiers were also forced to leave their sight arjan producer lisa catherine off was on the scene and she'll bring us all the latest when we return.

we'll. technology innovation all the developments around russia we've got the future covered. twenty years ago are just countries. where did it take. well the occupy movement is on its fifty ninth day of protest and despite the best efforts of the media police and politicians it is still going strong this weekend represented yet another round of the vixens and mass arrests across the country with city politicians and police ordering protesters to leave their campsite in chapel hill north carolina about fifty protesters took over an abandoned chrysler building on saturday night making their new territory was signs and banners and the

group which is an offshoot of occupy chapel hill was met with by twenty five heavily armed commandos twenty police or so. came in iran in no warning at all. and had their their assault rifles pulled out and put a gun in my face and put guns in everybody's faces and screamed at us to get on the ground. what is going. at least eight people were arrested on charges of breaking and entering as they're trying to protect their new location and the mayor of chapel hill has released a statement saying that while he wants to protect free speech the public needs to recognize the property holders even if it's an abandoned building it's not clear as of yet if the property owners in this case actually asked for that if action and salt lake city demonstrators were ordered to leave their campsite and pioneer park . nineteen people in total were arrested last night most for trespassing and failure to disperse after police told them to leave pioneer park by the curfew.

so about one thousand people were arrested for resisting the eviction notice the police then used a bulldozer to clean up after the protesters were clear and the rest of utah as occupiers a relocating to ogden hashing out a new plan to resume their demonstrations and in portland oregon those that have camped out in long jail and chapman squares faced eviction from their local police force that was following orders from portland's mayor who insisted the occupiers had to leave at twelve o one am sunday morning so the portland occupiers use this as an excuse to have a party thousands of people gathered in the square all while the police watched for just a little bit gawker reports the police then moved into the crowd swinging nightsticks and announcing to crowds over loudspeakers that they may also be subject to chemical agents and impact weapons take a look. thank . you about fifty people were arrested during the eviction and by sunday evening

the square had been mostly cleared out since those parks have been cleared by police the protesters have moved to pioneer courthouse square and they plan their they plan to regroup and reorganize than to continue their movement so looks like it patience in cities across the country is beginning to wear thin which takes us to our latest eviction in oakland. occupy oakland had been anxiously awaiting a new crackdown all week it after the tragic death happened near the oakland occupy camp last week the shooting was in no way related to the protesters but it didn't stop city officials from using that as an excuse to tell them that they need to go so yesterday police cleared out the occupiers from franko got applause in what comparatively could be seen as a peaceful event unlike the original raid weeks ago or the ending of the general strike that shut down the port of oakland but tonight protesters occupy oakland are promising to gather at the. downtown oakland library to figure out their next steps including how do we occupy the plaza so does this mean occupy oakland could be nearing an end what does it say about the movement's developments nationwide

joining me to discuss it is our team producer lucy cavanagh lucy now i know that you got to oakland over the weekend so can you give us a few details as to what exactly happened i believe cleared out sure we had actually gone to bed not knowing whether there is going to be a raid or not and two minutes literally after around our hotel room about two am there was a mass text alert that the occupiers had sent out saying that there's credible reports of police staging at a sporting event stadium here and leaving to come towards the plaza to finally begin this raid that everyone's been waiting for we got down to the area there is about several hundred protesters most of them were standing out on the street we saw the presence of helicopters and then several hundred police officers in full riot gear descended on the plaza closing off different intersections moving in at the protesters and blocking off the different streets now contrary to last time they didn't really use the tear gas we didn't use we didn't see any use of flash

bang grenades or any of the heavy mechanized non-lethal weapon race of the it by and by those standards it was relatively peaceful but they did surround the plaza they went in there was about thirty two people that were arrested and for the most part it was it was a peaceful takeover but a very very tense when i think protesters were expecting a lot more of a crackdown and we did sort of see a more concerted effort by the police perhaps in light of the p.r. disasters over the past few weeks to not really provoke the protesters as much but people are certainly a garret up i mean we've got these little plastic baggies that folks are taken around that had gas masks and different masks essentially here ok but a free of soaked in vinegar the stench of the nigger was really really strong in the air to protect against tear gas they were expecting clashes but it did go down fairly peacefully now how are people there feeling about. fact that the city specifically the mayor jean klein is using that tragic incident from last week or somebody was shot as an excuse or perhaps

a reason to say that it's time for them to go. well i mean as expected if a you know if you had a tea party where a man had a heart attack and officials said that all tea party events are hotbeds fatal heart attacks and artery disease obviously that would make much sense and that's sort of the perception here i mean that's an exception to the general mood of the camp there we haven't seen a mass shootings anywhere really in the country related to the occupy. movements except maybe in terms of non-lethal weapons shot by the police so i think people really felt that that was an excuse and they were being scapegoated for the actions of people that weren't exactly one hundred percent directly related to the movement so there's a lot of frustration there's not much love for the mayor for the police force and you have to remember that this is a city of hope oakland a city that has years and years and years of tense ties with police officers they've had numerous shootings on armed people here and so a lot of people feel like it was just a b.s. excuse a pretext to raid the camp for political reasons right and i said i know that today

they're planning to march again to meet downtown at the library and bad happen yeah but is there a plan of action or do you think if there is some divisions emerging as to whether people want to stay are go back to the park and try to reoccupy or not. i think people are a little bit confused at the moment again they are going to meet and shortly to decide this and there are there's a lot of talk of preoccupying the plaza now the mayor has said that in a few hours the plaza will be open for them to peacefully gather there but they're not going to let people camp over this is a really strong really militant group of folks and i definitely think that we will see efforts. on some people's behalf to stay at the plaza how the city is going to be able to handle that remains to be seen because remember this is a cash strapped. to hold it over to to prevent these people from physically entering and the other police departments are charging something like seven hundred to a thousand dollars a head for the use of these officers i mean how long is

a city realistically going to continue to be able to continue just spend that much on this kind of protection but interestingly you know in stark contrast to what we saw for example in d.c. or even in new york city there are really strong divisions in this camp like what we talked about a few weeks ago with some of the sort of more radical anarchists advocating the black bloc tactics the destruction of violence all of those divisions still remain in fact they were arguing about that yesterday evening so i feel like there's a lot of sort of. the dissolution on the part of the process they're not using this time to sort of regroup and come up with a plan of action they're busy right now fighting each other and trying to figure out you know what kind of tactics to use and i don't think that that's a very good sign in terms of remaining strong to keep this movement going i don't know how that's going to play out perhaps the rate will unify them but right now it does seem really fraught with division right now you've been you know our person on the ground you were in zuccotti park for weeks you've been in oakland so you've been covering this occupy movement since the very beginning and i'm just curious if you think that maybe it's reaching a bit of

a standstill or maybe if it's even starting to regress a little bit because eventually i think you have to assume that since cities are going to start losing their patience and we saw raids all across the u.s. this weekend now we see divisions within the movement do you think of they need a leader do you think that they need a different strategy to try to really keep the momentum going. i mean i don't know if a leader per se is going to resolve that having a figurehead doesn't necessarily change the the conditions that are making it difficult for cities to sort of keep up with these occupations but i do think that perhaps a focus if if i were an occupy wall street protester focus on things like the general strike that we saw here in oakland shutting down certain large targets to get their point across would be a lot more effective than for example these lack blah. tactics that we see and i mean it's very difficult to sort of find a delicate balance between the protesters needs and the cities that are in fact trying to you know sort of keep the peace to some degree i mean yes it is absurd to

oh you know seven hundred police officers at a cost of nearly one million dollars to keep a bunch of tents out of a public plaza that is ridiculous by the same time you know the longer these occupations go on you do get sort of more people that aren't necessarily there for at the goals of the movement and to be quite honest with you we have seen you know a small fraction of kids who are there to do drugs and you know polish people who may not necessarily be there to partake in the movement but are just coming in for the free food for the shelters and the more that this movement grows the harder it is for these these protesters to keep it organized and to keep it contained so it's a really really delicate balance and i don't really know how it's going to play out but we do know that the use of force of course will i think inspire more people to join in outrage and it will it will garner international condemnation so that's a really difficult situation for a city officials to begin i think we're just going to keep watching it this thursday in fact it's going to be two months since of the move began so who knows

how to govern their lives he thanks for filling us in. thank you. are coming out in the respond to our viewers and you said it i read it and then the f.c.c. has rules on indecency outdated and tell you who's calling on the supreme court to change the current f.c.c. policy so in return. thank you for joining us half past the hour i'm karen terror with

a quick peek at your headlines russia condemns foreign powers for inciting the opposition in syria in an attempt to topple president a son this comes after the u.s. and jordan called for him to step down and the arab league suspended damascus is membership the organization demands assad starts talks with the syrian opposition and implements a peace plan they brokered to end the bloodshed that's claimed thousands of lives. changing of the guard as new prime ministers take over in italy and greece hoping to tackle their country's overwhelming debt critics say the new euro predator prime ministers could end up putting brussels and the euro before the interests of their own people. police in the u.s. ramp up pressure on the occupy movement as they crack down on peaceful protest camps and marchers across the country and oakland officers in riot gear raided a city park tearing down tents and arresting activists this comes almost two weeks after protesters shut down the city's poor.