after an intense twenty four hours with police lets us tonight hold for occupy wall street protesters after a judge rules no camping over night could there be even more police clashes and where do things go from here we have a live update from the big apple. this very spot wall street this is so you have to reduce crime. from a small rally in new york to an all out move that coast to coast the voices of the occupy wall street protesters are only growing louder we'll take a look back at how this movement has grown over the past few months and the problem

of its instant immigrants i have no idea how to couch on my own i. think reaching out to out those i. being active and occupy wall street protests that protesters aren't the only ones being affected that ribbon students are now enjoying because putting down their school dogs for picket signs using their street smarts to try to change the system. and watching from a distance what does the world think of the occupy wall street movement and how the protestors are being treated here in the u.s. . it's tuesday november fifteenth seven pm in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching artsy well the occupy wall street movement dealt a major blow to night and new york a judge has ruled protesters can return says a car. park so they can no longer camp there overnight protesters here in d.c.

are reacting to the news. correspondent christine this video on her way home this was the scene just a few blocks from our r.t. studio not spinning not to go. and back in new york arts he is marina poor and i has been following this story she joins us now with the latest marina how are protesters reacting to the ruling. well at this point the protesters have been allowed back into zuccotti park they are back on to their camp grounds but it is no longer a campground as you mentioned supreme court a state supreme court judge here in new york decided that. occupy wall street protesters can no longer pitch tents inside zuccotti park and they are not allowed to use generators to keep warm nonetheless there was

a huge crowd that was standing around the perimeter all day long of sukiyaki park and then finally elite this evening once it got dark the police that were manning the barricades that kept the zuccotti park essentially empty except for the police inside of it the police finally open the barricades let the protesters back in it was a large crowd about a thousand people they were happy to be back clearly they were disappointed with the judge's ruling because the activists that i spoke with feel that the city is doing this on purpose to discredit and try to compromise the occupy wall street movement particularly because it's grown so large so wide so loud in just eight weeks but despite the the raid that took place at one am tuesday morning that led to two hundred protesters being arrested in dozens with injuries i did

speak with one occupy wall street activists saying that the movement will not be deterred if anything they are more inspired to get their message out take a listen ultimately our benefit is that you can't evict an idea so the idea that we're going to get nine percent of americans that you know we need to resist the. financial institutions the corporations. are being spread around the country. now the park has the potentially been the spiritual home of the occupy movement by new york city mayor michael bloomberg has argued that that area over the past eight weeks had been had become a public safety hazard it had been turned into an unhealthy and unsafe environment due to all the tarps that were up the tents that were up the sleeping bags that were in there the large amount of people there and there were some incidences or

reports of sexual assaults being carried out there so there was a concern for city officials but nonetheless occupy activists do believe that ultimately new york city officials are trying to compromise this movement not just in new york but nationwide because we have seen this type of evacuation take place in oakland and take place in portland so a lot of people believe it's a nationwide type of evacuation and we're in as you mentioned zuccotti park really is the birthplace of the occupy wall street movement and now that they're no longer able to occupy that area i mean what is what comes next is there a target location where they may instead take their take their protests. well technically they are allowed to to be in the park they are they could stay there twenty four hours a day but it's going to get very cold very soon in new york city and it is going to be very difficult for hundreds of people to say to sleep on concrete without

anything to keep warm what their plans are in terms of relocation that has not been need we're yet they're quite limited because if they go to a public park they're going to have to face new york city mayor michael bloomberg and the new york city police department if they go to a private car like zuccotti ultimately it could end in the same way because the property owners are one way or another are going to get annoyed with tarps and tents being put up on their property but we can tell you in the near future specifically thursday when occupy wall street marks its two month anniversary activists say that they are planning a day worth of events that what they hope will gather momentum gather large crowds throughout the city but the biggest of the most ambitious one i've been told is their attempt to shut down the new york stock exchange which they say they will attempt to do thursday morning maria thank you very keeping us updated on this movement that was our thing correspondent kareen important but filling us so what

does this all mean for the movement i spoke to an occupy wall street organizer andrew huckins start things off i asked him to tell me what kind of reaction he's seeing off a ground from the ruling take a listen. it's really difficult as somebody who's part of the direct action working group who oversaw participants oversaw a lot of the actions that happened over the course of the night to figure out where these lines between legal and illegal are i mean you know we saw the police continuing to protect i mean with riot cops around the park with barricades even when this injunction had been filed and we watched a lot of the contents of the technology throughout the night so on the ground it's it's hard to say what exactly this is really going to ultimately do given that this action felt like it was illegal in the first place is there

a sense that protesters are going to comply with this order and knocking. the cot apart anymore or do you think there's going to be resistance. there there is definitely. i mean we're going to see some resistance from the police and new york city but are interested in liberating space and creating these opening up sort of spaces in which people can go. with the things that they really care about and the things they want to see change and so we have a lot of us to determine the public space and holding public space in which people can step into a room for instance like the things that we created you know when he stumbled on you know some people say that this police cracked out as a way to silence the movement and to bring events around its reaching its two month

anniversary on thursday. is that what you think it is that this is an attempt to put an end to the occupy wall street movement. i i mean. i think there are a lot of people. i think that are there's a lot of percent of people who would really like to see us go away and we've been seeing it across the united states where. police departments are using a largely false pretext to this people or their victim and violently is and and i think they wanted to know that you have been evicted from a part is there any word on the media where the movement well occupy and on a new location or what are the plans for the future now. i know a lot of different again. it sounds a little leaderless movement but some sort of leader for a loose man and so there are a lot of different groups

a lot of different things and i'm part of a few groups working on a few things and we have. the idea of other spaces but we're really just concerned with securing one and i think it looks like people are most excited about to copy. it but it's really hard for me to say just being one of the boys in this movement. and that was occupy wall street organizer andrew hawkins now there today marks a to look anniversary since the movement started since then it seems has ups and downs it's peace it's turned people to problematic camps of sprung up from small u.s. council big cities across the globe are the correspondent christine for them out takes a look back at the evolving movement. so you could say it started with a whisper called my canadian activist group and busters that spread on facebook i. hate the who's very spot wall street is the site of weakness crime but before

long that whisper turned into a roar. a collective anger at wall street corruption a growing income inequality in america and at a system in which government policy is often dictated by corporate greed before long the crowds brought police. was was and police brought pepper spray. was chelsea elliott roosting on the ground behind the nets appeared on our t.v. and basically you weren't hurting anyone you weren't watching traffic her story brought on more protesters and a few days later seven hundred of them were arrested on the brooklyn bridge. instead of scaring people away scenes like this was reached the masses and before

long occupy movements multiplied from los angeles. to chicago. to boston. and just about everywhere in between forcing the mainstream media to start covering the protests they have largely ignored often missing the point but a protest that nobody seems to know the corporate media viewed as an accomplice here's what happened when fox news host geraldo rivera tried to film a segment at occupy wall street was. couldn't speak louder than chants of fox news lies and handling. was the mood grew darker as authorities threaten to clear. the tent city at zuccotti park at the last minute they were allowed to remain in the park themselves. by times square got was next to nothing but scenes like this is not where you. begin to

make. iraq war veteran shamar thomas finding what had become in his eyes widespread police brutality he appeared on our show a few days later they're saying if you want to fight go to iraq go to afghanistan what do you mean by this you know to hurt the citizens that you swear to protect you know this is kind of you know a contradiction to the oath as you take and then there was occupy oakland here you see another veteran scott olsen standing peacefully. within moments he was hit in the head with a tear gas canister fractured his skull and left him in critical condition what a lot of what was shot a spotlight now shining bright on the role of police which energized veterans former sergeant posted this photo online saying you did this to my brother he also came on our show i may not personally know. but i know it's story all the while the

protests spread much to the dismay of authorities who over the weekend if they did encampments once again in oakland. and important. i think blew its name a few and new york's zuccotti park the heart of the movement also clear for the first time since the movement began now many worry what's next for occupy d.c. there any sense of panic or anything one thousand i wouldn't say panic as much as just like it now it's time so one of the first things they did here is to clear this part of the park protesters tell me they've moved their tents closer to one another they say they've condensed their efforts because they want to stay focused they want to stay. organized they say there's a chance that some of the protesters from the owner on cue patients around the country could wind up here on k. street because this is one of the last places very few clashes with police in

washington christine for example are. and many protesters occupying wall street are the students and many of them are saddled by an unorganized to mount of student debt student debt has exceeded one trillion dollars in the u.s. that's more than the nation's credit card debt meanwhile unemployment among college grads is at an all time high this all makes for a recipe for a thousand of unhappy young educated people and they're taking their frustration to the streets for more i spoke to robert applebum founder of forgive the student loan dot com with student loan debt totaling over one trillion dollars i asked him a simple question just how big of a problem is this in the u.s. take a listen well it's. it's very hard to wrap your mind around the figure of one trillion dollars but when you consider that warm instead that's hanging over the heads of not only recent college grads but

people who were in their thirty's or forty's or fifty's and beyond to have been paying for their student loans for decades and paid for their educations many times over but still have five figure now it says left on their accounts. consider the economically suppressive effect of that debt and how we could be doing so much more to stimulate the economy if these loans were forgiven. and robert could you talk a little bit about you know with this huge amount of students that how it's impacting the everyday lives for syrians that are saddled by this is that you know the types of life choices. and investments that people are delaying as a result of student debt absolutely i did work on this issue for you know nearly three years now and i have heard from countless people from all walks of life all across the country every age group you can imagine. you know with how to cross all

generational lines of cultural lines all geographical rights and the effect of this is that people are putting off starting businesses starting families putting off children they're not the first thing they're not innovating. they're not doing any of the economic stimulus things that we need all americans to be doing right now so that we can dig ourselves out of the hole created by the greed of those at the very top and you know occupy wall street they are protesting against economic inequality among other things looking at the bigger picture how does the student debt problem play into this issue of rising inequality well. for me at least i don't think that there is any single issue that typifies and exemplifies the great take and pillaging of our country over the last thirty years

but the issue of student loans as i said earlier this is not across generational lines you know there is this perception that we're talking about we're talking about twenty somethings and that's true to a certain extent but i would say about half of those who follow me are in their thirty's and beyond that earlier they've been paying for years on their student loan and they've seen they've seen their balances go. down after years of so in terms of the occupy wall street movement and the people finally rising up and fighting back against you the justices i think it's about time and i don't like like i said i don't think any single issue exemplifies the inequities that are present in this country the way the issue of student know that and that's why i believe that the occupy movement has has taken on this issue because it

really just goes to show how badly this country has suffered due to the economic policies of the last thirty years and lastly robert you know we're seeing this that if it's going out of control what needs to be made so that i think a certain air is affordable once again. well thirty or forty years ago we used to teach a for higher education with a series of grants scholarships personal savings and whatever small amounts. left over three student loans that were affordable a payback easily with a well paying job today the exact reverse is true and the very first thing that people. won't go into school is put themselves into massive amounts of debt so we really need to change the way we fund higher education in this country we have turned education into a commodity and by shifting all of the costs of not only obtaining it education but

maintaining an educational system down the socioeconomic ladder on to those at least a portion of those costs we didn't get your entire generations of current and former students to their educational that's for which there is almost no escape so what needs to be taught we need to forgive all student loans we need to restore bankruptcy protection such and so the petitions to student loans we need to start regulating this largely unregulated market and we need to stop treating education as a commodity and start thinking about it as an investment in our future rather we certainly can talk more about this thank you for coming on the show that was found there are give student loans that dot com robert apple. and an enormous along that's a slashing funding for college as outrage students are speaking out against her fate of higher education in california campuses across the states and pardon a strike the value and what they call open that university u.c.

berkeley graduate student alex the bernard joined me earlier to talk about it from . it's the open university interest sponsor two things one of which is a proposed eighty one percent tuition hike which would certainly be the death of public education in california and then the second reason we called for the strike today in the open university today is in response to police violence that was visited upon. on arms peaceful protesters including myself last wednesday night i was. trying to found the u.c. berkeley campus yet so we've been incredibly clear about what we're trying to achieve and we have very specific demands they're brought to man they're very specific one thing we want is we do not want to see an eighty one percent swishing hike instead we want the u.c. regents who are individuals who run the university of california system we want them to endorse the refund california initiative which would put

a tax on the wealthiest and on the banks that would replace the money that's been lost for public bonding and education in addition we want to real response from the university about the completely unjustified use of force last wednesday we're calling for the chancellor to resign immediately and we want an x. terminal investigation into the police use of force and i understand why they received orders to to basically attack students who are doing nothing more threatening than linking arms to how is this playing out today what kind of participation are you following. it's been absolutely extraordinary and as one of the organizers of today's events i couldn't have possibly expected things to turn out as phenomenally as they are there are thousands of students here at sprout was a knock on the class today and everyone is contributing what they can contribute their people teaching dance props and there are people doing teach out in sociology

in philosophy and critical race study there's all sorts of things going on down here and we're showing that we can have a free university we can have an open university that is that is accessible to everyone in the community and in this campus does not need to be closed in militarized the way the u.c. regents and chancellor berger now seem to want it to be and alex we're seeing pictures now on the. protest california that turned violent recently what kind of response are you getting from police by. the phrase turn island i find to be a little disturbing in the sense that the images show police attacked students not a single video has surfaced showing a student throwing a punch throwing a bottle or defending him or herself so i would but i would be encourage you to refrain the protests were violently repressed by the police but the students were nonviolent and i'm incredibly proud to say that i think it's very difficult i can

speak from experience that you know when you're being beaten by a police officer it's hard not to defend yourself but but that is what we did and we think it's very disturbing that. the university would respond to peaceful protest with violent policing. and that was u.c. berkeley graduate student alex barnard perhaps one of the occupy wall street successes is how it's reached different corners of the loan from india as they had to leave protesters worldwide are chanting the same message r.t. correspondent a nice anally was here to talk about the international perspective of the movement . but i think first of all lot of people don't get it because i've been living abroad for ten years and it's always people asking me how can america you know invade iraq go to afghanistan to have this mission in libya nobody's saying anything about it so i think on one side people are surprised and on the other side some people especially americans i can speak for myself are

a bit relieved that finally americans are coming out onto the street and taking a stand and you see people across the globe in london in australia in european countries expressing great solidarity with this occupy movement you know while story is in new york obviously so why do people from other countries care about what happens on wall street so the point where they're willing to take to the streets of london. because the message is the same we pay taxes and people all over the world agree with this so-called ninety nine percent movement that ninety nine percent of the population pay taxes and have a right to have their voices heard which they haven't been heard in the past years it's the same thing in europe the same thing we're seeing on the streets of london of athens in italy people demanding that the government work for them that they're voted into power to to create and to pursue kind of what the people want them to do

and that's not been happening another thing of course this movement of why should we have to pay for bankers in the states it's something that the whole world shares at this moment and the people out in the street certainly see that and i think that empowers them in the sense that they know the whole world shares this problem and people across the globe are ready to come out and speak out against it and this comes at a time we're seeing other protests around the globe in greece you were recently and france at the g twenty how would you compare the occupy wall street movement to some of the other movements that that we're seeing around the globe. well i was actually in new york last week and i do have to say that it was relatively calm although the developments that we've seen certainly today are the exact opposite of that if i can say one thing that i think differs from european protests than from new york protests and i don't think that that's going to stay that way because i do think that they're going to expand it's really this kind of just complete takeover

of the city we saw it during the london riots early this summer we saw it certainly in greece it hasn't gotten back crazy it's how the n.y.p.d. come out kind of in the middle of the night and raid the protesters on wall street seem silly to protesters who pursue a are out on the main square in athens where you see kind of fire bombs being thrown just chaos we haven't really seen that is in new york so of the european protesters really get out there and i think watching from abroad it's fair to say that they seem really peaceful in new york and i think that's also part of the reason that some european fellow protesters might be surprised in terms of the clampdown that we've seen by officials in new york and across the states we've seen in oakland as well so if there is one thing that i think characterizes european protests and arab spring protests compared the united states is that they're a bit more chaotic but that might not stay the case for a long time and you know in new york and in other parts of the u.s.

where things have gotten chaotic one thing that protesters leave we've heard them chant is that the world is watching you know while they're being arrested i need is the world watching would you say that they are watching. i think the world is watching very closely but what i think people are opening their eyes to it's fair to say is the double standards we see all of these protests in north africa not so much in europe because of course there you have a lot of american allies but complete praise for these democratic revolutions across north africa and the middle east in particular and then when it happens on wall street you have officials say get on held the it's unsanitary we need to clean up it's breaking laws and then you have the police department and mayor bloomberg going in contempt of court we have a court ruling saying that these protests have a right to be there but still they find a way to kind of go through the democratic loophole and so yes here we have democracy we need to have organized protest and when they happen in egypt per se

where it's chaotic and thousands of people are the street that's really the fight for real democracy so i think the world is waking up to the double standards that we see in terms of how america categorize is what democracy is and who has what kind of democracy and i will see correspondent anally well that wraps up the show for more on the stories we covered that r.t. dot com slash usa and check out of u two page it's youtube dot com slash r t america you can also follow me on twitter outlets we'll see you back here in a half hour.