tv [untitled] November 16, 2011 10:00pm-10:30pm EST
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i know what's really happening to the global economy with much stronger no holds barred look at the global financial headlines. welcome to the loan to show we'll get the real headlines with none of the mercy from a lot of washington d.c. now tonight we're going to take a look at what the court ruled a vision of the park means for the occupy movement is the beginning of the end or will only make movement across the us stronger and prosperity is going to join us then today as being the american censorship day that's free speech civil rights groups and fight giants all join together to protest legislation working its way through congress that they fear might break the internet so we're going to hash out why sopa and protect ip are considered so dangerous and then we'll take a look at the loya jirga that henry karzai has called together in afghanistan as
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well as what the future of military commitment by the u.s. might be in this country to malaysia's going to join us to explain where he feels the military has gone completely wrong we have all that i am morphy tonight getting a dose of happy hour but first take a look at the mainstream media has decided to make its. wealth another day of election coverage and candidate scandals and today the mainstream media was all over the latest story coming out about newt gingrich. clear some really reports that new congress was paid more than one point five million dollars in consulting fees by mortgage giant freddie mac. he's being dogged by reports that he earns one point six million consulting for mortgage giant freddie mac. when asked about this at the debate he said he was hired as a historian but it turns out he himself was a p.t. advisor to freddie mac. which was bailed out by taxpayers his consulting firm was paid
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a lot bigger three hundred thousand dollars and that new figure is significantly larger than the three hundred thousand dollars payment that gingrich was asked about in the debate last week newt gingrich had to make one point to one point eight million dollars in consulting fees we now know where he got the money for tiffany's from at least he's very smart guy. and freddie both hired a lot of people in washington to get advice he clearly was one of them and he's going to explain why. now what happens day after the m.s.m. went over the details of exactly how much gingrich got when and why was it then they immediately went into how this might hurt his campaign the conversation became all about the polls cain sex scandal a lack of foreign policy knowledge versus gingrich's baggage and what's going to hurt whom or almost completely glossed over is the fact that this is just a lot more example of the corruption that happens on a large scale in our political system all the time another reason why people are protesting and setting up camps all over the country is gingrich
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a hypocrite and corrupt yes of course he is but he's hardly the only one this is a systemic problem this is part of the revolving door between washington and wall street and lobbying groups and you name it the fact that if you're at the top and you're in power you don't ever lose power because he just gets move on to the next organization that wants your contacts and is willing to pay you a lot of money for that work cronyism and less democracy now let me throw in another little tidbit for you that hasn't been getting the coverage it is or it's just as a car park is being cleared out late at night. republican members of congress were very hard at work this man filling some of the much needed regulations for the derivatives market that's right they managed to cut the budget request for the commodity futures trading commission by one third so now we can even have even fewer organizations overseeing the corrupt practices on wall street and they can just go unchecked again all of this is systemic all of this is part of the bigger picture that needs to be discussed the occupiers but actual journalists out there
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was some integrity are trying to bring into the spotlight but the mainstream media they'd rather focus on election polls and with the rest. after the court in new york ruled yesterday the protesters and the college park could not say a lot of questions as to whether or not this could be the beginning of the end for the occupy movement and interview with the b.b.c. open marriage in quantitative that she got on a conference call with eighteen other cities and they the examiner reported that cities also had the help of the department of homeland security and the f.b.i. so it looks like some of this might have been a coordinated crackdown on cities across the board but also the officials trying to tear down the camps former labor secretary and u.s. u.c. berkeley professor robert wright said last night that this is only going to strengthen the movement. every movement that has occurred over the last somebody
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five years of american history and we know a lot of movements abroad as well when they are cracked down upon when there is a violent effort to to end them and also especially when the members of the movement maintain a kind of peacefulness nonviolence civil disobedience that strengthens the movement the movement grows and that is almost inevitably what's going to happen here. so if you're right joining me from our studio in los angeles to discuss is an experience co-host of the young turks and a thanks so much for joining us tonight now before we get into what wright said you know the greater problems are the future of the occupy wall street movement i first want to know what your reaction was to the court ruling yesterday that the protestors out of the coffee party and basically said that free speech is not allowed at all times and all places. you know i was really surprised that the fact the police raid was able to actually happen i was
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surprised at the fact that there was a media blackout during that process and the fact that people at zuccotti park no longer have their tents there they are allowed to be there at the park and i guess protest in essence but they're still not allowed to be there with their tents and it's surprising to me because it's just it just goes to show you that the government doesn't value free speech as much as they claim they do they only value free speech when it's convenient for them those protesters should have the right to be there with their tents they should be able to occupies a part and occupy protesters should be able to occupy whichever city that they're in and the fact that we don't have protections in place that allow these people to practice their first amendment rights is really surprising to me but you know i'm sure that many people who are watching the show right now would say hey you know what you're being naive the freedom of speech has always been violated through our throughout our history and it is always something that is only used when it's convenient for government officials and for police officials when i'm really happy
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that you mention that attempted media blackout from the other night because yesterday i was outraged you know we saw a lot of blogs reporting on this for the new york times writing about it when you look and looked at c.n.n. and i said d.c. or fox news any of the cable media networks they didn't really seem to report that they were permitted on the back of the raid went down but i can't believe they didn't report on the fact that there was an attempted media blackout and so what happens when even you know the press or at least a part of the press the one that has a lot more of the exposure what does that mean when even they don't care. it means that they never valued this story in the first place the only people who cover this story are non conventional media outlets the young turks are tea several bloggers salon dot com think part progress all of those websites where you would expect actual news and journalism taking place however the mainstream media never cared about this story so they don't care that there was a media blackout at zuccotti park they don't care that bloomberg called for it they
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don't care that freedom of press is being violated significantly in this country they don't care because the the story isn't important for them i wonder how much they would care if it came to the conrad murray story what if there was a media blackout with that i'm sure they would talk about it time and time again or what about the casey anthony trial oh my god they would be so outraged but when it comes to something as important as the occupy movement you don't hear the mainstream media saying a word about it and i think that it's unbelievable and it's honestly something that just shows you how corrupt our mainstream media has become at this point what they consider news is honestly garbage all right now let's move on to where he think that some of this might go i have seen you know we've seen crackdowns definitely been movement or at least parking in the coddy is over for now it's in new york seems to be in a little bit of jeopardy but robert reich says that he thinks this will only make the movement stronger do you agree with them. you know it's
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a pivotal moment right now for the occupy protesters and i want to be just as optimistic as he is and i think that there are definitely going to be some members of the occupy movement who will be motivated by this they are going to show that nothing is going to stop them when it comes to practicing their first amendment rights and getting their message message across however there are other strategies for occupy wall street and the occupy movement to be highly successful so you know we know that the winter season is coming it's going to be a very difficult time for the protesters to carry on and i know that there are some people out there who are strong enough to i guess deal with the harsh conditions that they're going to be protesting in however maybe this is a good opportunity for them to kind of just take some time off be a sleeping giant until the spring and then kind of regroup and come forward and come forward in a very aggressive way and the reason i say that is because by next spring the entire country is going to be politically engaged we have an election season coming up everyone is curious about who's going to get elected everyone wants to take part
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in politics and i think it'll be a great opportunity for the occupy movement to grab the attention of people who haven't been paying attention so far so i think that regardless of what happens with occupy wall street they will be successful in the end i just don't know whether or not they're going to tough it out throughout the winter or if they're going to be the sleeping giant that kind of wakes up during the spring season and comes down hard on our corrupt political system so in that sense are you saying that you don't think that a lot of this is based on momentum and a lot of anger that is consistently building within the population you think they can just wait on it and people are still going to come out in mass force. no i that's what i mean i definitely think that there is momentum building and people are definitely angry and they want to take to the streets right now and they don't want anything to stop them however there are other people out there who regardless of how angry they are they probably know a better idea is to kind of lay low throughout the winter season and then come down hard on the political system later in the spring when weather conditions are better
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i don't know exactly what the collective ideology is right now with the occupy protesters i don't know what they're thinking honestly my guess is that they're going to try to tough it out throughout the winter season which i give them all the credit for it because it takes a tremendous amount of courage but i'm just saying that regardless of what strategy they take it's going to be a successful movement and it's been so successful already because of the fact that they've been able to change the discourse here in the united states now really quickly you know we can talk about we're not exactly sure what the collective mentality is. but it's been pretty obvious when it comes to the occupy wall street haters and those on the right representative peter king they call them bunch of angry losers said they need to see a psychiatrist and then there's this really wonderful video of karl rove kind of losing it in baltimore and quick.
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yes you are yes. you are. right it is you are it was. i. was. it. you i i. it was. screaming who gave you the right to occupy america. well you know i think they could probably come up with the answers we call that bitterness here i definitely bitterness i definitely sense a little bit of fear and intimidation i'm sure he didn't expect that to happen he probably thought hey i'm going to show up to john hopkins university you know speak my right wing talking points and everything's going to be ok but i love that they
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might check karl rove because it totally caught him off guard and he genuinely looks surprised which i love and yeah it was zinger who gave you the right to occupy america really is that the best that you could come up with karl rove you know they also did a my check on governor scott walker and i also thought that was highly amusing and definitely an excellent my check so i like that the protesters are finding creative ways to practice their first amendment rights and they're doing a great job i give them a tremendous amount of credit for doing that yeah hopefully we'll see some more of those two and a thanks so much for joining us tonight thank you ilana. now we report to you on police violence occupy sites from oakland to new york city in the last week but it looks like the pain isn't over yet last night as demonstrators occupy seattle were marching in their old city they were confronted by police can proceed to assault them with pepper spray.
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and now amongst those who were pepper sprayed was a four foot ten eighty four year old woman named lee rainie she has a history of activism that dates back decades and i mean jennifer was also hit by pepper spray and she's two months pregnant and take a look at this video captured after jennifer reaches the ambulance. by seattle's confirm that jennifer is still hospitalized at this moment do you think the pepper spraying elderly and pregnant women would be condemned by police however seattle p.d. spokesman jeff compel seemed indifferent to the assault he says the pepper spray is quote not age specific and no more dangerous to someone who is ten or someone who is eighty so good to know the police have no qualms with pepper spraying your
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grandma somebody please explain to me why police think it is ok to wager pepper spray assault against pregnant and elderly women much less the rest of this peaceful protesters in seattle sadly can't really say that i'm surprised this police violence has become the norm for occupy movements nationwide but in the meantime police across the country continue to use unnecessary force which often creates what little violence has been seen at the occupy sites across the country if notice from police are peaceful so are the protesters. oh so much more times than i i think back but today delve into the details of a health care to sherry from a version of this anti-piracy legislation called sopa i'll tell you why so many are declaring it as the. internet only. if you don't work to bring justice or.
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i have a right to know what my government like you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize the obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. a story that seems so. think you understand it and then something else some other part of it and realize that everything is all. part of the big picture.
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well today has been the american censorship day and incredible amount of opposition is mounted towards legislation working its way through both the house and the senate to combat copyright infringement on the web now we've spoken about the protect ip act many times on the show but today the house judiciary committee held a hearing on their version of the bill known as sopa the stop online privacy act out of the six i.p.x. would allow the attorney general to create a blacklist of websites that they see as engaging in fringing activities three blocks of i.s.p. providers search engines payment providers and advertising networks all about a court hearing or a trial but so it goes even further and numerous groups have come out against both pieces of legislation from civil liberties and free speech groups like the a.c.l.u. that would try to hear foundation various think tanks a bipartisan group of lawmakers including ron paul more than one hundred legal scholars and even tech giants take a look at this full page ad taken out in the new york times today was taken out by a well either a facebook google linked in muzzleloader twitter yahoo and so so much
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opposition might congress actually listen or discuss the way things alexander howard government two point zero washington correspondent for o'reilly media center thanks so much for being here tonight nice to be here ok so like i said are from your our viewers if you are very familiar with the protect ip act let's talk about what the differences are between protect ip and sopa by this one is considered to be so much worse but i think one of the ways people specifically have this is private right of after you refer to that a little bit which is to say that someone who has the ownership of a given piece of content and feels and infringing could then go right to the department of justice and do that in a way that's not really public and then make a complaint against it and then it would give the department just a certain powers to then take that set off warning you talked about a number of them right the idea that you could take it out of search results the way you could constrain it financially and potentially much most controversial which isn't using the i don't mean. system to make it so that when people search
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for the domain of the site they simply could write it ok but how about the fact to you that you know some of these companies now if something is posted on line that might be infringing on copyright as soon as they're notified they just take it down but won't they be held responsible now they appear to have to start blocking it censoring it from from the very beginning space legal professions of every get that their right will mean the existing infrastructure for this is the d.m.c.a. radio d.m.c. tape and if you're a company you see something of yours up on you tube for instance and say well we have ownership of that and you have the individual piece of content get that it's taken down and that's seen some amount of abuse but it's been a workable system but it's it basically says that if you see information content on a given site given peace and take it off what the this bill has been introduced around is this idea of rogue web sites that are outside the united states and congress with the urging on a lot of people who sponsored the bill and if you. testify they are interested in
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finding ways to prevent these rogue web sites beyond us jurisdiction from be able to host or link to part of content and there are only so many means that you can do that the one that i think there's broad consensus around it's following the money so you know changing the way that you could fund these sites through advertising or through payment mechanisms the same thing in fact it's been used to strangle wiki leaks when it's quite controversial in the internet community is this idea of using the demeaning system that lets in fact talk about the hearing today and who was that was there i already mentioned the long list of the tech giants you know organizations out there members of congress that are all opposed to the legislation but people are backing it you have the chamber of commerce the motion picture association you have a lot of the entertainment industry how come they are how can the opposition wasn't allowed to speak or voice their concerns today at this hearing you would have to ask representative smith and the heads of the big you know actual nation. to
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my understanding the consumer electronics association which is the biggest of its kind asked to testify and did not have the opportunity if you took a picture of that table of people that was there the only one that reps from the companies you reference the biggest energy companies in the world was google and that represented had a pretty tough time today a lot of tough questioning from a congressman. you didn't see constituencies and venture capital community you didn't see constituencies from public advocates from civil rights organizations humans or rights organizations and notably you did not see anyone from the engineering side there was actually a specific point where one of the congressmen to raise this issue of whether this bill would be a problem for cyber security is you know this is a huge issue in washington cyber crime has been growing is a really important issue it's important to know from the national stage as to teach it so when someone brought up this idea that the past council of the h s m r
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m r smith was reminded about this is it was mr baker and that this demean name system security was an issue something that engineers been working on for a long time we think that's something that members of congress have carried out what they do and when it was raised that came up we should know about that they asked the witnesses about it it's called d.n.a. sec and it's basically trying to building more security to the main system because without it there are some ways that your traffic can be spoofed which is it can be a significant issue if you're in parts of the world where i fear traffic is intercepted it could be dangerous to you and essentially something unusual happened to a group of internet engineers wrote a letter to congress saying if you do this it's going to break but we've been building now and if you come out with many engineers they don't usually like to insert themselves in politics but they have number of venture capitalists including fred wilson burnham. and you know these guys don't get out it seems it seems rather
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crazy that congress when at least allow them to come in and have their piece when they're going through this type of hearing process and so what do you think the chances are that some of this might actually go through either the senate version or the house version well it depends who you talk to right. if you talk to. the chairman government oversight he told the hill today that he doesn't think it's going to get very far it thinks that the regulatory burden here is going to actually be a significant position the security is one important thing people actually talk at that rate. really quickly too because we're running out of time i mean do you think that this also equates us in terms of censorship we've heard a lot of people say well we point fingers at china all the time and here our government would be setting a very dangerous precedent you know for what it looks like around the world people perked up when the m.p.a. talked about that there's a very important op ed written by rebecca mackinnon in the new york times today and
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she entitled of the great firewall of america referring to china's censorship mechanism and this particular principle this idea that a site should be held liable are not for information content that's drawn to it the way we've made the internet over the past twenty years has protected sites from doing that it's really what is enabled the internet to grow as much as it has and the principles intermediary liability if a site is online it shouldn't be held liable for user generated content if someone put something on them you know it's going to happen so what's the mechanism do you choose to deal with it if you make it so that the whole site goes down the block from search results money gets taken away suppose that way then what is that going to mean for for and what is going to mean for the risk tolerance of venture capitalists who want to start ups and down lot are asking that question what does it mean for you for an entrepreneur is for start at four and evasion well if you're going at the end of the internet or the breaking of the internet you know. you know come to some common sense if alexander thanks so much for joining us thank you for
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inviting me. all right let's shift our focus to iran ever since the i.a.e.a. report came out about the iranian nuclear weapons program the calls to bomb iran have been renewed by war hawks here in the us and mainstream media has rushed to do their part because r.t. the nice and now he points out jumping the gun could have very grave consequences. i iran has long been a hot topic. but. the greatest threat that america the world faces at faced was a nuclear iran but it's heated up since last week's report from the un's nuclear watchdog sparking fears iran was pursuing atomic weapons the i.a.e.a. says iran developed a high explosives initiation system a detonator with the help of a foreign expert question that current expert is called it the mystery science who is the russian by some western media even though the i.a.e.a.
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report doesn't name him and he's not russian by ukrainian it here's how former weapons inspector david albright talks not a scientist nuclear credentials on c.n.n. he showed how to build a thin hemispherical shell with holes in it and where the detonation happens and you simultaneously set off explosive pellets in a series of holes in the head of the new shell and those explosive pellet pellets in night the high explosive underneath and in a very spiritual way compresses the core and then you get a nuclear explosion and i just laugh when you land is a scientist but not a nuclear specialist who actually know down to say this binion political figure he worked in a nuclear facility but not every person who does is in the clear specialist he's actually trained to construct the airplanes and it's not the i.a.e.a. that is question you know but journalists audience nevertheless albright accuses the only outcome who specialized in nano diamonds in iran of working with the
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iranians to help them miniaturize their nuclear warhead so they can put it on top of one of their missiles so it can be fired oh bright has a history of pointing fingers just before iraq was invaded he said this in two thousand and two. in terms of the chemical and biological weapons iraq has those now how many how could they deliver them i mean these are big questions then backtrack to the l a times once no w m d's were discovered in iraq. if there are no weapons of mass destruction i'll be mad as hell i certainly accepted the administration's claims on chemical and biological weapons i figured they were telling the truth and some us politicians think non-truths could be repeating with iran i'm afraid what's going on right now it's similar to the war propaganda when i want to instill a racket you know they didn't have weapons of mass destruction but there were
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enough official reports implying otherwise in terms of the report there is limited information a lot of the reason it's what it is because it's most likely that iran does not it is you know it is the case in iran does not have a nuclear weapons program this woman it days are who could be called critics say the public especially in the us are about to be inundated with another flood of so-called expert analysis the where of a dangerous mideast country that's presumably hiding secret nuclear weapons and may require a military strike the difference this time it's iran not iraq and he's now artsy moscow. coming up next i'll start off with you said i read and then afghanistan's president karzai wants to keep u.s. troops in his country for another decade after the twenty fourth he would rather have my eye for eye duke ellington.
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