welcome to the lower show and get the real headlines with none of the mersey or a lot of washington d.c. now tonight we're just paid to r.g.s. lucy caffein off about the massive a day of action by offered by protesters in new york they were for the new york stock exchange they went for the subways and police for the handcuffs so who won the day then david sirota is going to join us to discuss this two month turning point for the movement what needs to happen from here on out to keep the momentum going and president obama is threatening to veto the new defense authorization bill that would change our detention policies at

a very dangerous way but at this point does the president really have any credibility left on the matter morris davis former guantanamo chief prosecutor is going to join us to hash it all out without all that morphy tonight including a dose of happy hour but first take a look what the mainstream media has decided to miss. our well today is two months since the occupy movement began and survey a massive day of action was planned in new york city and this time the mainstream media just couldn't ignore it. protesters a man outside the new york stock exchange value to shut down wall street and unleashed chaos we're watching what is supposed to be a major day of protests all across the country on the two month anniversary trying to disrupt the new york stock exchange is just one of the items on today's calendar for this so-called day of action we saw right from woods hole of demonstrators how many we do not know just yet they also tried to block the subway entrances and exits to the people who were simply trying to come off of the subway to go to work

also would have a hard time doing so they were sitting on the ground refused to get out blocking traffic down there in lower manhattan which is always so darn busy especially the clock in the morning during rush hour. you know i've got to be honest today i don't really have as much critique as i usually do it's one of those rare glimmer of hope moments you could say one of those moments of the mainstream media finally realized that something that they've discounted since the very beginning is more than just a few random protesters or dirty hippies and crack heads or so much of the right like the character that characterized that it's actually something worth covering so let's go back and think of how it came to be this way occupy movement we now see in cities across the country began first in zuccotti park on september seventeenth after word began to spread online through twitter facebook blogs message boards they hoped for twenty thousand people but they didn't show up on the first day and said it started with two thousand the march that week and by the next couple of days only

a hundred or so protesters were actually camping out and occupying as was intended and so that point the mainstream media paid them no attention but they stayed in the next week and more people came out to join them and to march and then we slowly saw labor unions join in solidarity to the numbers that we saw celebrities politicians pundits join in for better and for worse and since then something has happened we now see occupy camps and cities across the country we see people in cities around the world taking up the same talking points and the exact same principles and so on the two month anniversary of an awakening and. country the mainstream media has finally realized that it needs to comply i need to take part now my fear is that today's going to be an exception rather than the rule that once this anniversary the number six out of the mainstream media love so much passes so will their coverage so just for today i dare say the mainstream media is actually going big where they usually completely miss.

well for the two month anniversary of the occupy wall street movement a massive day of action or day of disruption as they're calling it went down in new york city now the original plan had been to disrupt the new york stock exchange this morning as thousands flooded the streets but they were met with a heavy police presence and metal barricades at the end of it the stock market opened on time it was estimated the just this morning two hundred people may have been arrested at three pm the protesters spanned out of the new york subway system on the website originally slated sixteen subway lines to be occupied and five pm they were together in full the square so it's been a day of full of marches and actions and clashes with police and here are just a few of the violent arrests from throughout the day. they.

want to. thank a. now there's also been many more reports today of journalists being roughed up so here to give us more details on what's been happening on the ground throughout the day is arching producer of the half enough let's see i know that it's been quite a day but if you can bear with me here and let's try to break it down from some of the steps and first let's talk about what happened this morning when they tried to disrupt the new york stock exchange. banned areas they don't permit or there's a lot of street. crime of restraint but i put forward their plan what if you. were to. be on well they certainly did not meet their feet and i was very. and police are. well armed police

officers are arresting people left and right. certainly i think it's relation i should mention. covering a little bit about trying to get her organizers were right they got arrested just a few seconds ago in front of me they're marching them away pretty it has been a pretty hectic day i'll do a long but. certainly be street arrest and the wall street action with the most and the passion and we. now what let's talk about the tactics of the police are using and some of the reports out there this morning are saying that maybe two hundred people already got arrested by you know eleven am some were saying that an el rat was being used can you confirm not. that i have been back and i'll write a little more to call for the thing if you've got yeah. they get you that sort of approach but if you can i don't think it's the. sort of effect that that that really made your. presence or the tribe the actual

a part of the problem but i would have to say that the police were on some courteous opposition but there were so many people probably knew that this trial to . resort to force and the first choice of reaction as opposed to negotiating and talking to the protesters what i've personally witnessed was very very were actual act of civil disobedience nobody was really anything nobody was you know trying to storm through barricades people were literally either sitting down or bringing arms what happened at the top of the purpose might walk and in retaliation for that they were rammed down the ground draft correct they were beaten now we also i know that you yourself got a little roughed up by the police i know that a lot of other journalists a reporting that they also had to deal with police violence what do you think is going on they just not really care anymore who it is they're talking. i think you know probably in a moment. in vanity it's just in their eyes it's just people who are in the way but

i do have to say that's something that i've noticed not just here in new york but in washington d.c. and opens as well it really seems like the freedom of the press is not something that's. political or police when it comes to covering occupy wall street one cameraman i spoke to two days ago said that it was easier time covering the iraq war but a journalist and covering the occupy wall street protests and it does seem to be the case that you know we don't have the proper press that issued by the local police department and even if you do we really make this don't make a distinction between protesters and i have to say it but it's difficult to cover some of it in a way that's not sort of a confrontation with the police when you're roughed up and shoved and treated essentially the same way that any other person in the street is it's quite disturbing especially for a country that's just so often to other countries to be them. all right so now let's move on to some of the other actions that are planned for today like i said

it's three pm people were supposed to occupy the subways now i know that you're union square and you say that people are still getting arrested you know how is this all flowing together how is it is a being successful right now if they're really in pain baby from the last reaction . afternoon they did have the power out they can just read helping students who turned out union where for fairly peaceful gathering in the end they're marching down all the way down to only where i thirty hall which is where we're at right now and here the number is i would take our troops i mean definitely more than i've been protesters out here because the labor movement had joined up with occupy wall street and the student but now we have labor fires burn a letter from the police from the klan especially a march across the brooklyn bridge which is where we're standing right now it looks like there's a bit of a moment of confusion as they had reported earlier union leaders to get a reference point of a there's a bit of that right now but the plan again is to go

a bridge and of course if we all remember one of the be the act of actually they definitely are media and after attention on the movement was that last march of marriage week and we were seven hundred protesters that have all the direct that we professionals that we spoke to say that there should be plenty of room on the pipe and on the back of the predator actually but of course when you have this many people and but i heard you on the heels of so many arrests this morning. who knows what will happen i'm certainly be watching that so not since you think that it's too early to say if anybody won the day between the protesters and the police when it comes to new york city. i wish that i would happen say the protesters i mean you know the fact they raided the park which that's all it location not just here in new york but for the occupation of a country i think that faith and were able to reconvene get this many people out on a short notice that and really get so much international and national attention on

this issue i think is the third security and that's what one thinks that the occupiers when you need this kind of thing which we use that knowledge nation it's very difficult to live with it even with the mayor in their handling of the occupation now i'm just curious to know for the rabbit out here as to whether the mayor has said anything today we know that he was very involved i want to came to defending his position defending his decision to either take the protesters and get them out as a county park and of course he supported the ruling the judge's ruling that went along with that today has he been kind of keeping quiet waiting to see what happens throughout. the manner of the mayor to try to use today a little if you are opportunities and visit one or two who were reportedly wounded in clashes with protesters which is quite interesting because we not only

protesters but members of the media who were wounded not even the police but for literally began being in the wrong place at the wrong time so a lot of that this year were very skeptical about that they feel like he's completely in the family situation or that this end up backfiring i can't that they are but you know if you think that many people are part of the movement we did not insist that all new yorkers stop with the destruction they that you know they wanted to be able to get the work i'm going to be able to get their feet that there is that before a mixed reaction by new yorkers but i would say that the mayor is not winning the day when it. yeah that's an interesting decision to make is to go visit to police that were warranted and not comment on all the other people that were harmed all who see thanks so much for filling us and of course stay safe out there i guess we're still a lot of action plan for the rest of the evening thank you all right there so much

more to come tonight for you our coverage of the state action bringing you all the latest from on my movements across the country i will take a davis wrote about what should come next for occupy wall street. was the the the. the the police the rest of the. what a protest nobody seems to know. but never a pepper sprayed the face but part of the argument that they're being overly dramatic. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then. some other part of it

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or. now on this day of action movement take a look at how protests across the country are carrying their message occupy d.c. joined in on a march organized by our d.c. demonstrators a letter to have macpherson square today and head towards the key bridge in georgetown. went down to cover the march and she brings us this report from the bridge. i am standing here on the key bridge with the occupy wall street protesters they marched here from macpherson square it was about a two and a half mile walk and there were about two hundred of them so you see behind me this is georgetown washington d.c. and to give you

a little perspective about where we are the washington monument is right here on the other side of this bridge this is virginia so the protesters have been standing here for the last few hours they're holding signs they're hoping the people driving by driving to and from work can see there's times you can hear their messages they say they plan to stay here until about six pm tonight one of the interesting parts of today at least for the occupy d.c. movement has been the police presence there have been just as many officers as protesters they've been parked at every corner they have walked with the protesters and if you take a look here in the potomac river there they are there waiting so far i have not seen any handcuffs any police baton so far there have been no clashes with police that we know of as protesters have stayed on this side of the bridge getting their messages hard but not disrupting the flow of traffic not doing anything that has caused police to have to get involved i mean that's one of the different things about what's happening here in d.c. for r.t.

i'm christine for south. are now let's move to the west coast where several major cities are ramping up their demonstrations today and portland protesters not only occupy banks and other financial institutions but four hundred people also gathered at the end of the steel bridge which had already been shut down due to down to all traffic except for buses and commuter rails. a local news station k g w reports that twenty five people have been arrested and rallies have continued throughout the day. shutting down several parts of the city now in los angeles people gathered at seven am to march from bank of america plaza to fourth and take a row with streets and according to our teaser melinda twenty five people were arrested during the occupy l.a. protests one of which was an eighty two year old woman and u.c.

berkeley relocated camps set up by demonstrators at sprowl plaza was raided around three thirty this morning. there. are only two people were arrested in orderly raid and despite the fact that workers have already cleared out the tents and other debris the occupiers plan to return to sprawl plaza around four five yesterday police gathered at san francisco's business district after demonstrators took over a bank of america chanting their message to bankers and customers. and. now it took forty police officers in riot

gear for hours to remove those occupiers and about one hundred people were arrested most of them reportedly are you see senators students and these are the latest reports we have from each of those locations but you can keep up to date with all the latest on this day of action which is still going on via social media to start using the hash tag and seventeen. all right so the occupy movement is now two months old and today's massive actions in cities across the u.s. have proven that the crackdowns may in fact only have made the movement stronger and at this point we also know that it's changed the conversation in this country every mainstream media child has been covering the events as i said earlier g.o.p. contenders have you been forced to discuss it at presidential debates and even rush limbaugh rush limbaugh who is a no fan of the right or the left wing excuse me or of the occupy movement started invoking the ninety nine percent sentiment on his radio show this week but we have

to start wondering about what needs to be done to keep the momentum going to make sure that the occupy movement results in action in stead of just rhetoric now some people have suggested that perhaps it's time for the occupiers to wait out the winter maybe they should go back home during the cold weather and come back out during the spring when they can have larger numbers and more force but of course there are a lot of concerns as to whether that's going to ruin their momentum now we also discussed yesterday that former labor secretary and now u.c. berkeley professor robert reich said that if you look back at u.s. history these are the moments these types of crackdowns were a crackdown that may or may not have been coordinated as a lot of reports out there have said these are the moments that actually make movements like this stronger so i think that even if you look at just what's going on in new york city today the fact that thousands of people have come out that they have been on the streets all day it shows that the movement really has been reenergized it's not fizzling out and it's not dying and so we really have to start wondering if this movement is going to need

a leader if the movement is going to have to start focusing on specific goals and specific actions and ways to get about that yesterday we also were just like speaking about what's been going on at u.c. berkeley or occupy callus they're calling it there they have a little bit of a more insular concern not only are they part of the occupy movement overall but they also are worried about the you see regions and. big cuts to education all across california which could result in eight to sixteen percent to mission heights and so this is where you can see that some of these things are starting to you know you have some smaller issues that might at the end of the day help this movement go along. now joining me very quickly to discuss all of this is david sirota talk radio host and author of back to our future how the one nine hundred eighty s. explain the world that we live in now. we're still waiting for david we're having a few technical issues here but we're going to try to get him back we've been

trying to get him back on the line now the video that you're seeing right now is from the d.c. protest today where people marched over from macpherson square all the way over to the key bridge which as christine fair is now showed you earlier spans the area from georgetown to virginia right now we've got david on the line so david thanks so much for joining us we can we can get started i am curious as to what you think in terms of all the action that we've seen today what stage do you think of this movement now two months it when you and i have been speaking about this since it began and there's been a lot of developments since we last spoke what stage do you think the movement is in now i think what we're going to see is a push and pull and i think that governments across the country despite governments have made a really big stake in actually helping it add fuel to the rationale for this movement but it every time an industry government cracks down on people's basic right to protest it actually gives you occupy wall street movement more energy to

continue and to frankly to to grow and i think that's because. it becomes then not only an issue of protesters questioning the economic system in this country but protesting our basic right to even express a grievance against that economic system and that has as wide and as broad an appeal i think to americans and their sense of basic freedom as even the economic which is inherent to occupy wall street in other words that the more municipal governments look like they're not tolerating people's basic right to speak out the more the occupy wall street movement becomes both a movement to be able to air grievances and a movement specifically about the grievances against the economy right now or how that we look at it from the other perspective you go back to oakland a couple of weeks ago what they did is they held the bay called the general strike and they shut down the port of oakland which sat down business for the day today

the same time we saw the same thing in new york city where protesters were not letting people get off the metro they couldn't get to work and that ends up sometimes agitating and aggravating people don't want to go about their daily lives . and i think that's i think that's a difficult thing to negotiate i don't think frankly that those kind of tactics necessarily build any kind of solidarity that needs to be built now you could argue well gets attention and that's certainly true it does get attention is that the right kind of attention look these are tactical questions for the movement's organizers and i think those are questions that need to be need to be worked out and i think we're at a very delicate time in the sense that that where the larger public it may not be practice of painting but maybe sympathetic to this movement how to engage doubt larger public it could go either way and we need to look back on history and remember that look richard nixon back during the protests of the vietnam war

understood that tipping point very well and he did a very good job unfortunately limited but he did a very good job of of basically chip taking a protest against the vietnam war and changing the focus for most americans into a referendum on the protesters themselves in other words he changed the the focus at least for a time away from the protestors message which is very popular against the vietnam war just like the occupy wall street message is very popular and then richard nixon as an opportunist managed to turn public eye or at least for a time against the protesters themselves you better believe that the politicians are trying to crack down on this this kind of protests are going to exploit mistakes that people occupy wall street folks make in order to try to achieve that i hope they're not successful the well it's not just the politicians that are doing it we see the same thing with right wing media outlets and right wing pundits they're definitely trying to exploit any bad thing as

a reflection on the entire movement so you've been writing about that you know how we have so much of this rhetoric right now i guess and you know called blaming the victim but then you also wrote about this and the fact that suddenly without rush limbaugh use the ninety nine percent rhetoric. back in criticizing telsey clinton we saw senator tom coburn talk about you know ending some of the tax cuts so how do you see that you know or what is that some blacks here but i think it is really interesting to see some top republicans actually pretending to show solidarity with the what i think is the more progressive critique of the economic system i mean the republican party you has been caught as flat footed as the democratic party in the face of the occupy wall street movement and probably for the same reasons what i think will ease your rush limbaugh or criticize or use the appointment of chelsea clinton to a tough position at n.b.c. and say this shows that the game is rigged this shows that the occupy wall street movement critique is actually right that the system is unfair when i when we see

that i think what we're seeing is not a rush limbaugh or some great guy i think we're seeing that a group even a republican tactician a top republican technician understands that the potential traction this movement's message has and is therefore in a sense trying to co-opt it will it be successful i don't know to me it's simply a referendum eight reflection even the right sees that this is a powerful message now i'm curious to you what you think the movement needs to do some have suggested that maybe they should sit out the winter can be called out there we think in a lot of examples of places in boston mit students are trying to help them you know come up with certain ways to stay warm but some of said maybe they should sit out the winter come back out in the spring reenergized with larger numbers but do you think they're going to lose their momentum if they do that. well it's really hard to say in a wouldn't try to offer a tactical by stewart directives to these protesters i mean they've been very very

courageous it is a really really a more first movement a really small the democratic movement i think that the momentum is certainly on the protesters side i certainly think that these issues that they are representing in a way are not going away in our economy i think that the more the protests continue the more these issues are going to come from the right and frankly whether we have protests called occupy protests or they go by another name the grievances that are being represented are only getting more intense and i actually think that the presidential campaign is going to actually play a role in intensify at least the national focus of the city missions also if we start thinking about that presidential campaign a little less than a year from now who actually comes out on top because you could say that this is more of a left wing movement but president obama very much in bodies. of what is protesters are fighting against because they systemic problem. that's absolutely right i mean

i don't know what the political fallout is going to be but i do think it's a it's a big mistake as you allude to for the democratic party or president obama to assume that this movement is automatically going to be supportive or healthful to his democratic party's political prospects there is a and this is it an issue for other organizations on the left there is an inherent tension between and we've seen some unions who are supporting the occupy wall street protests and also supporting president obama's reelection trying to deal with this tension that there's a tension between supporting the occupy wall street protests and aggressively supporting the reelection of president obama that's not to say that that that those two things are exactly diametrically opposite but the occupy wall street movement is as i think as much a criticism of the obama administration the obama administration's chief of staff that is the vice president for g.q. .