ambassador we've had before we just invited congress is that the people do go to the ballot box and i'm here and we will see what they really want you know i mean it pulls change i would work there also a little bit other than my absolute right and thanks so much for dropping thanks tom so will the republicans figure out a way to change the terms of the deal with they themselves crafted so that they can protect their military industrial complex donors keep your eye on this one we probably won't know for six months or more. up next death threats in wisconsin how the effort to recall governor scott walker is taking a troubling turn. that drives the world of fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions it's going to break through and it may tell you trust no one who is in you with a global mission that we've seen where we've had a state controlled capitalism it's called sassy's when nobody dares to

ask we do our tea question more. welcome back to the big picture i'm tom hartman coming up in this half hour despite web sites getting hacked late in voter suppression outright lies and death threats

the effort to recall governor scott walker in wisconsin presses on the latest news of the badger state coming right up and in our everything you know is wrong for tonight everything you know about childhood vaccines. plus later in tonight's daily take what's the bridge in selma and the university campus in california but they haven't come. over the weekend more than thirty thousand wisconsinites rallied in front of the state capitol in madison to promote the effort to recall republican governor scott walker already they have over one hundred thousand signatures it's a fifth of the way to collecting the five hundred forty thousand plus signatures that they're going to need to officially trigger a recall but unfortunately those working around the clock to recall governor walker now have to worry about their own safety police are investigating at least two

death threats against opponents of scott walker. on one threatening call an unidentified man said quote if you don't stop circulating recall petitions we will kill you and quote it is one of the death threats walker opponents have also had political signs and for their homes vandalized and stole so far there are no leads as to who is behind the threats regardless the recall effort continues for the latest and i'm joined by graham zelinsky communications director the democratic party of wisconsin graham welcome if you haven't me thanks for joining us tell us about the threats. well these were threats that were made against folks who'd been the prominent there outspoken miss against scott walker i can tell you that there isn't anything new from the moment that people started speaking out against scott walker they have been directing activity but it sort of is a culture that started at the top of the get that discovered or was tape recorded

contemplating troublemakers and peaceful crowds and contemplated tricking lawmakers to return to the state so there's a culture here that again starts at the top extended to the republican efforts to stop the recalls of the spring where they had a violent out of state governments coming to our state forging signatures and now you see this bullying behavior it's a police matter it's a divisive time it's something wisconsin is a state that has ever been split like this in modern modern history and it's a governor that rules by division so we're going to find your grandma i grew up in michigan and you know michigan can have its gritty side but i i know the midwest i mean i've spent a lot of time in wisconsin and wisconsin in particular sort of like northern grand rapids northern area around michigan is just incredibly polite i mean it's just got a culture of being friendly and welcoming and polite i'm wondering how the mood of the people there how the how the how the the emotion of the people who are working

on gathering these petitions has been affected by these threats. well people are fed up but i think people are reasonable here they realize that what this really is is an effort to smear and of divine the recall effort there's been some of the efforts by the republicans of the koch backed industries front groups here in wisconsin and so confusion to create a sense of uncertainty and we just have to plow through and not let them do that if you give in to fear they have won if you give into confusion they have won and we're not going to let it win it's too important i saw an ad earlier today that the governor's apparently running and on television maybe there's one from the governor i've heard was that if i could also in wisconsin basically not saying that they become a socialist but you know kind of thought in like and saying you know it's going to cost seven million bucks to have this special election and we really need that money to help out poor children and give them health care and education well this

is this is here this is a guy that existed i'm calling it a christmas tree this kind of a holiday tree just to cause a little bit more division well guess what it's christmas present is people in wisconsin getting thirty thousand kids off of badger care which is the medicaid program now this is a governor who supported recalls against senator herb kohl against senator russ feingold he supported his political machine supported recalls against governor jim doyle you never heard him talk about the cost then it's only down at these recalls are directed at republicans that they care about because they found five million dollars to fund this ridiculous voter suppression i.d. bill that they put through this get this is a guy who found seventy thousand dollars to buy new i pads for every single member of his new commerce department so they could find a bunny if they needed a phone a hundred twenty million bucks to give an action sensitive breaks to these corporations that ship our jobs overseas so they can find the money this isn't about the money just about perfect they don't like democracy here in wisconsin works for the people not for the corporations that runs catwalk grama what do you

think of the odds that this would be a blowout like ohio was where a overwhelming number of. petitioners and the thing when. i will take absolutely nothing for granted if we won by one vote that's good enough for wisconsin i think i think that the mood is the same i think some of the facts are to see if you have two tea party governors that are getting outrageous illegal coordination from these third party corporate front groups i think there's a lot of the same feeling that the working men and women are going to ground underfoot by somebody who's not listening so you could have a big election but we will take nothing for granted they have already dropped two billion dollars here as scott walker and the corporate front groups that are supporting him and television ads they're going to rule the airwaves they said that their strategy is to raise one hundred million bucks to come here and buy the selection he's turned this into a rental and state those investors and scott walker are certainly going to come here and protect their investment so we need all the help we can get if you go to recall walker h.q.

dot com give five bucks to help us here we can really appreciate it we call walker h.q.'s and headquarters dot com recall walker h.q. dot com yes ok and any indication about the koch brothers or karl rove's g.p.s. or any of these other groups or people who are able to put together money that under citizens united doesn't even have to be reported and we probably won't even know about for a year or two. we're tracking some of it but they're so well funded they have so much money that their disposal right now we're really going to be need to get together and put the shoe leather this word we know that the appetites there for this recall but they can shake a tree and come up with a hundred million bucks like nothing could be this is a quid pro quo government that's been created here the koch brothers have these little d.s.d. little organs here in the state that have bought this man called the khyber institute this thing called media trackers they have all these little weird organs and tools here that are replaced by a lections and it's unaccountable unregulated money to scott walker is raising

right now he's flying to places like arizona california kansas new york tennessee all these places to raise unregulated corporate cash which is triggered when there's a recall election and never before has democracy to do so in danger of being overwhelmed by bunning it's all on scott walker's plate right absolutely graeme's lewinsky were completely out of time but just real quickly the u.r.l. again one very quickly. the web so i'll. recall walker each to dot com reading all we are here to help you got to recall walker h.q. even though the recall effort is going is going strong thank you graham it can still use all the help we can get recall walker h.q. dot com to find out how to get involved. just. yet but it's the good the bad in the very very ready to loosen really ugly good

congressman ted george well some of his colleagues on capitol hill run as far away from the i could my movement as possible this democratic congressman from florida is embrace it as a member of the house judiciary committee congressman did joyce introduced the occupy amendment an acronym for outlawing corporate cash undermining the public interest in our elections of democracy schools occupy a memo would overturn the supreme court's citizens united decision and ban for profit corporations from meddling in our politics and in a statement congressman deutsch said americans of all stripes agree that for far too long corporations of occupied washington and ground out the voices of the people it is time to return the nation's capital and our democracy to the people who work and we need to take it a step further and corporate personhood as well the bad rick perry governor good hair doesn't seem to understand one of the foremost accomplishments of the american system of government and that is that our military is controlled by we the people

civilian people during the iowa family leadership forum over the weekend rick perry the last of the idea of civilian control of the military. but don't let some congressman sit in an airconditioned office in washington d.c. deciding what the rules of engagement are less four or five when the. left. that's what the american military man and woman is all about and for us to marco manage him in a civilian way without their commanders truly being in charge is absolutely irresponsible as the commander in chief of this country album not later. in egypt right this minute we're learning what happens when civilians don't control the military as more than twenty people have been killed in the streets in protests against that nation's militaries grip on power and rick perry wants to bring that

sort of military control to the united states and a very very ugly congressman joel john walsh the tea party favorite also known as the deadbeat dad congressman who owes more than a hundred thousand bucks in child support went on the attack against military veterans over the weekend at a town hall meeting on saturday wash called occupy wall street patriots spoiled and pampered and argued that they are advocating anti-american solutions and he even took aim at the veterans who joined the move. but let me say. this was. the. cause i. said to. her i told. him yes. but he. who would be.

silly. to follow. the. of all the thing is to call our nation's military veterans socialists and don't understand this country is a top of the list for congressman joe walsh and i don't think you can chalk this gaffe up to too much because it's just very very out. after the break occupy wall street produces another iconic image of this movement is following in the footsteps of another successful movement i still easy. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who needs decision. made who can you trust no one who is in view with a global mission that would see where we had a state controlled capitalism it's called taxes when nobody dares to

ask you do you are a key question more. so sometimes you know what you know and sometimes you know what you don't know and sometimes as the firesign theater says everything you know is wrong i know you think. you're right. that's. right sure.

you're always wrong. many many parents are faced with magsaysay new parents are faced with many important decisions about their child's health and wellbeing early childhood years or one debate that has been raging in a new parent households and across the country for the past few years as the passing decades is to vaccinate or not in the very vaccines that are supposed to presume prevent illness actually be making our children sick and one of the options for parents who choose not to vaccinate increasingly that means making decisions a lot of doctors and schools and children are still required to show proof of inoculations to register so everything you know about vaccines could be wrong the greater good a documentary that was released earlier this year ends to create the opportunity for a rational and scientific discussion on how to create a safer and more effective vaccine program rather than just focusing on the emotionally charged pro and con debate take

a look. cats are the best choice for honesty i don't think it's that black and white that seems it's always been a victim of their own success the government is trying to protect society abuse motivations in fear with no safety issues. in the last few decades the numbers of doses of vaccine have more than tripled we are seeing a rise in the number of children with disabilities we worry about the future you could have thirty forty fifty different backseat mandates and no accountability you have a prescription for disaster. i have a child and i felt and i am an. art. i just want everybody to lay down their arms and figure out what is making him so sick. so was the science and gave us the choice. joining me now are closer to us going to regular of the gloss and family foundation

a board member of the national black seen information center and mostly men opium that's right nikken a documentary filmmaker and producer of the greater good and great to have you both with us tonight into town so much for having us thank you what is a an amazing movie you put together and just the website for it is really quite remarkable what's the epidemiology of this but it's sort of mostly the epidemiology on vaccine you know what's i mean we're we're we're we're hearing that you know one in one hundred and something children is now born with autism or that early diagnosis whereas thirty years ago it was one in twenty thousand or something and there seemed for using that as a possible connection well if you look at the science there are studies out there that show that there's a connection for instance between mercury and autism not necessarily mercury in vaccines but mercury and autism and what's interesting though is that when that research is published it doesn't really make it into the mainstream media so when

you look at those statistics like one in one hundred ten kids have autism today. authorities say that we're at a loss and we can't explain it but if you look at some of the independent researchers they will argue that there is independent research showing that there's a link between some of the environmental toxins that we see and these childhood illnesses that we're seeing and it's not just about autism it's about so much more from allergies asthma to learning disabilities and speech delays and the real question is have we actually done real research to understand what is causing those and. there are major gaps in the science today and so there are many scientists say we haven't done the research to really understand and that's what we're really calling for in the film so so clear is is that. are you are you saying in the film that. we have a lack of information or that we have that we have some knowledge that we need to be sharing with what's the sequester of political action the government and the

institute of medicine has acknowledged serious gaps in the science and many of the vaccine studies or all vaccine safety studies have been done using active placebos and active controls and they're often are not active and has increasing its that are in the vaccine and is not in or is not a say leo's the old fashioned sugar pill or salts ackley so. it would have an impact on the outcome of the study it would tend to give the impression that the vaccine is actually safer and it really is if i can try and translate this into. there are is that what they're called yes i'm an imagined that these chemicals that make the body react to the vaccine more vigorously and those who are what has been implicated in some cases rather than the virus itself whatever it may be disabled in some of these cases in your same to are you telling me that in the studies that

have been done they've always had the edge of incident in both the control and the placebo yes so how can you have a scientific study you can't because the control group is going to have the same adverse reactions as the vaccinated group and then they're going to play see this in this incredible. on the one on the other hand i've done international relief work and in five continents and i've seen in particular in africa we're. able we're back at mode with that i was working with those facts and action it means polio is almost miraculous results and we eliminated polio here in the united states in your film you interviewed the director of the office of vaccine safety and research at the f.d.a. and he seemed to imply that this was a case where we all should just accept the potential risks and benefits that was a short clip from this and then i'd like to get your take on. as with any medication vaccine or whatever there are always some risks and so what we're really

looking at then is are the benefits provided by that you think seen weighing the risks. at what point do we say and for i ask you first at what point do we say you know the risks are greater than the benefits or here's how we have millions of those risks are so often researchers. well the proper studies need to be done in the first place the vaccines do need to be each studied using true in our placebos they need to be studied in the combinations that they're given and they need to be studied in the entire schedule compared to a control group that see they're on vaccinated or has received a true placebo and until those studies are done we won't actually know how many people are being put it risk and how what the risks are we won't know the full extent of the numbers of people that are reacting to vaccines so your movie is more a call for what's bigger this conversation than look up the sky is falling wasn't

there though a recent study you know was all over the newspapers all over the chain to be six months ago year ago so there abouts this is it tomorrow so all the merits all i merit mirasol this is the mercury driven it's misused or preservative perhaps that's right. nothing to worry about we've scientifically clear to every you know where everybody go home go back to sleep. was the study wrong was the reporter was like that not the issue what's interesting is that most of the studies that are done that evaluate this type of safety could have been done by the authorities if you will are epidemiological studies which means that they look at the the they observation they observe large populations of people and compare them to each other so they'll look at people who've gotten vaccines that contain fine marriage or mercury and then they might look at people who continue to get vaccines that contain lesser amounts. but they never compare the people who've gotten vaccines to

unvaccinated people and you can imagine that that would probably skew the results so that's generally how they do it what else is really interesting is that there is an independent researcher who want to look at the entire body of science that is available at looking at the connection between mercury and autism and what she. and was that the medical research actually favored a link by something like four to one it's just not reported in the mainstream medical and in the mainstream media and so that's you know we're not trying to throw the baby out with about bathwater what we really hope is that people will come together and acknowledge that it's not black and white that this is a very nuanced issue and that we really need to drill down and just very quickly the the website for the movie is. the website for the movie is greater good movie dot org and we hope it will join the conversation wasn't clear thank you both so much for being with us thank you tom thank you so much john thank you very much for more information or get a copy of the greater good documentary law god or greater good will be god or

there's. now everything you know about vaccinations and the link to illness is right almost. we once again learned why peaceful resistance is so powerful and brave committed and disciplined young people set piece of peacefully occupying the university of california davis last friday it became the latest iconic image to come out of this ninety nine percent move as a road police officer clad in riot gear methodically paced back and forth in front of them dousing their faces with pepper spray these patriots did not fight back they didn't have to run away they just sat there they took it they resisted the

urge to defend themselves they fought back that all too human impulse to respond to violence with more violence. that impulse that martin luther king warned against when he said returning violence for violence multiplies by it's what could have been a brutal confrontation with police if just one of those young people had responded to the pepper spray by lashing out instead turned into an icon iconic image of peaceful resistance that showed the fundamental evil of power being abuse one that is sure to endure long after this movement is finished just as the image of young people in the streets of oakland who sacrifice their own safety to run to the aid of wounded or iraq war veteran scott olsen rather than fight back against the police who were violently launching tear gas containers into the crowd at image two will last as will the image of another iraq war veteran cave oncet. who peacefully

stood in front of a battalion of riot police and peacefully resisted as one of those cops drew his nightstick and beat him rupturing his spleen as well the image of young women being corralled and pepper sprayed in the ninety nine percent movement first kicked off they didn't fight back either they gravely took it and so too will all of the videos and photos of the four thousand plus patriots who just sat there sat there and peaceful resistance well nightsticks were shoved into their guts or while they were dragged down the streets by their hair or run over by a police motorcycle all of these are the iconic and enduring images which frankly are essential to a movement being successful. during the civil rights movement there were similar iconic images the most iconic perhaps was what happened on the edmund pettus bridge in the march of one hundred sixty five what would later be known as bloody sunday civil rights demonstrators marched from selma to montgomery when they began to cross that bridge they were confronted by

a barricade of riot police with nightsticks and tear gas masks the demonstrators stopped and just stood there waiting sure enough the police moved in violent leap trampled the peaceful demonstrators and dispersed the crowd with tear gas and the whole world was literally watching and for the first time people like me saw on their televisions at home the consequences of institutional racism and the power the incredible power of nonviolent resistance against it it became an iconic and iconic image the edmund pettus bridge became a symbol it carried the civil rights movement forward so too are the images of nonviolent demonstrators being attacked by skin carrying water hoses in birmingham in one thousand nine hundred eighty three iconic images of nonviolence are essential to a successful movement and then i do not present movement is collecting more and

more of these images by the day from selma to rear square to u.c. davis peaceful resistance in the face of violence always wins the day and so we need to thank those brave patriots who are risking their own safety to help rescue this nation from the predations unregulated corporate power and put off politicians . one day our children will look back on the footage of these days and say as we say today when watching the old news news reels of selma and birmingham and the edmund pettus bridge the hell were those police think and how much longer can this society continue in such a badly broken fashion before things change things will change and you can thank those young people willing to put their bodies on the line of institutional violence for that change finally happens that's it for the big picture tonight for

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