and the impasse that we've had before with this divided congress is that the people do go to the ballot box and i'm here and we will see what they really want you know i mean it polls change all the words a little bit i was a month. but i so much for dr thanks tom so will the republicans figure out a way to change the terms of the deal with they themselves crafted so that they could protect their military industrial complex dollars keep your eye on this one we probably won't know for six months or more. obnoxious death threats in wisconsin how the effort to recall governor scott walker is taking a troubling turn. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians decision it's completely breakthrough had sort of been made who can you trust no one who is in view with the global news we've seen where we had a state controlled capitalism and school saxon's when nobody dares to

ask me do you are a key question morning. welcome back to the big picture i'm tom hartman coming up in this half hour despite web sites getting hacked lately voter suppression outright lies and now death threats

the effort to recall governor scott walker in wisconsin was on the latest news the badger state coming right up and in our everything you know is wrong for tonight everything you know about childhood vaccines. was later and still we take that's the bridge in selma and the university campus and no one but they have. over the weekend more than thirty thousand wisconsinites rallied in front of the state capitol in madison to promote the effort to recall republican governor scott walker already they have over one hundred thousand signatures that's a fifth of the way to collecting the five hundred forty thousand plus signatures that they're going to need to officially trigger a recall but unfortunately those working around the clock to recall governor walker now have to worry about their own safety police are investigating at least two

death threats against opponents of scott walker on one threatening call an unidentified man said quote if you don't stop circulating recall petitions we will kill you and quote in addition to death threats walker opponents have also had political signs and for their homes vandalized and stole so far there are no leads as to who is behind the threats regardless of the recall effort continues for the latest and i'm joined by graham zelinsky communications director the democratic party of wisconsin graham welcome. thank you for having me thanks for joining us tell us about the threats well these were threats that were made against folks who have been the prominent there outspoken miss against scott walker i can tell you that this is anything new for the moment that people started speaking out against scott walker there have been threats being activity but it sort of is a culture that started at the top of forget the discovered or was tape recorded

contemplating putting troublemakers and peaceful crowds and contemplated tricking lawmakers to return to the state so there's a culture here that again starts it's out extended to the republican efforts to stop the recalls of the spring where they had a violent out of state felons coming to our state forging signatures and now you see this bullying behavior it's a bully governor it's divisive it's something wisconsin never seen this is not a state that has ever been split like this in modern history you know. it's a governor that rules by division so we're going to find your grandma i grew up in michigan and you know michigan can have its gritty side but i i know the midwest i mean i spent a lot of time in wisconsin and wisconsin in particular sort of like northern grand rapids northern area around michigan is just incredibly polite i mean it's just got a culture of being friendly and welcoming and polite i'm wondering how the mood of the people there how the how the how the the emotion of the people who are working

on gathering these petitions has been affected by these threats. well people are fed up but i think people are reasonable here they realize that what this really is is an effort to smear and undermine the recall effort there's been some of the efforts by the republicans and the koch backed industries front groups here in wisconsin to sow confusion to create a sense of uncertainty and we just have to plow through and not let them do that if you give in to fear they have won if you give into confusion they have won and we're not going to let it ramps to work i saw an ad earlier today that the governor's apparently running and on television maybe there's one from the governor i've heard was that if i could also in wisconsin basically not saying that they've become a socialist but kind of talking like that saying you know it's going to cost seven million bucks to have this special election and we really need that money to help out poor children on health care and education well this is this is where this is

a guy that insisted on calling it a christmas trees bit of a holiday tree just to cause a little bit more division well guess what it's christmas present is the people in wisconsin kicking thirty thousand kids off of badger care which is the medicaid program here now this is a governor who supported recalls against senator herb kohl against senator russ feingold he supported his political machine supported recalls against governor jim doyle we never heard him talk about the cost then it's only now that these recalls are directed at republicans that they care about the cost they found five billion dollars to fund this ridiculous voter suppression id bill that they put through it this is the guy who found seventy thousand dollars to buy a new i pads for every single member of his new commerce department so they can find a body of a five hundred twenty million bucks given x. incentives or breaks to these corporations that ship our jobs overseas so they can find the money this isn't about the body this is about the fact they don't like democracy here in wisconsin works for the people not for the corporations the funds

that walk grandma what do you think are the odds that this will be a blowout like ohio was where a get an overwhelming number of. petitioners and the thing when. i will take absolutely nothing for granted if we won by one vote that's good enough for wisconsin i think if the mood is the same i think some of the facts and steve you have to keep party governors that are getting outrageous illegal coordination from these third party corporate front groups i think there's a lot of the c feeling that the working men and women are getting ground underfoot by somebody who's not listening so you could have a big election but we will take nothing for granted they have already dropped two billion dollars year by scott walker and the corporate front groups that are supporting him with television ads they're going to rule the airwaves they've said that their strategy is to raise one hundred million bucks to come here and buy to selection he's turned this into a wrecked island state those investors and scott walker are certainly going to come here and protect their investment so we need all the help we can get if you go to recall walker h.q.

dot com give five bucks to help us here we can really appreciate recall walker h.q. as in headquarters dot com recall walker h.q. dot com yes ok and any indication about the koch brothers or karl rove's g.p.s. or any of these other groups that or people who are able to put together money that under citizens united doesn't even have to be reported and we probably won't even know about for a year or two if ever we're tracking some of it but they're so well funded they have so much money at their disposal right now we're really going to do need to get together with the shoe leather that this would we know that the appetites there for this recall but they can shake a tree and did come up with one hundred million bucks like nothing would be this is a quid pro quo government that's been created here the koch brothers have these little basket little organs here in the state that have bought this thing called the kiver institute and this thing called media trackers they have all these little weird organs and tools here that are placed by elections and it's on

a comical unregulated money to scott walker and his racing right now he's trying to places like arizona california kansas new york and see all these places to raise unregulated corporate cash which is triggered when there's a recall election and never before has wisconsin democracy which is so danger of being overwhelmed by bunning it's all on scott walker's plate right now absolutely graham zelinsky we're completely out of time but just real quickly the u.r.l. again one very quickly. the website up you recall walker h.q. dot com well i was here to help you go recall walker h.q. even though the recall effort is going it's going strong thank you graham it can still use all the help we can get we called walker h.q. dot com to find out how to get involved. yep that's the good the bad in the very very ready to loosen really ugly the good

congressman ted george well some of his colleagues on capitol hill run as far away from the occupy movement as possible this democratic congressman from florida is in racing as a member of the house judiciary committee congressman deutsch introduced the occupy amendment an acronym for outlawing corporate cash undermining the public interest in our elections of democracy suppose i could but you never would overturn the supreme court's citizens united decision and ban for profit corporations from meddling in our politics and in a statement congressman deutsch said americans of all stripes agree that for far too long corporations have occupied washington and drowned out the voices of the people it is time to return the nation's capital and our democracy to the people who work we need to get a step further and corporate personhood as well the bad rick perry governor good hair doesn't seem to understand one of the foremost accomplishments of the american system of government and that is that our military is controlled by we the people

civilian people during the iowa family leadership forum over the weekend rick perry the last of the idea of civilian control of the military. but don't let some congressman sit in an air conditioned office in washington d.c. deciding what the rules of engagement are let those four or five when the threat. that the american military man in one is all about and for us to marco manage him in a civilian way without their commanders truly being in charge is absolutely you're responsible as the commander in chief of this country album not let it happen in egypt and right this minute we're learning what happens when civilians don't control the military as more than twenty people have been killed in the streets in protests against that nation's militaries grip on power and rick perry wants to

bring that sort of military control to the united states and a very very ugly congressman joe joe walsh the tea party favorite also known as a deadbeat dad congressman who owes more than one hundred thousand bucks in child support went on the attack against military veterans over the weekend at a town hall meeting on saturday wash well she called occupy wall street patriots spoiled and pampered and argued that they are advocating anti-american solutions and he even took aim at the veterans who joined the move. let me say. this was. the. cause i. said to. her i told. you. but he. who is the.

solution. to. this. of all the things to call our nation's military veterans socialists who don't understand this country is at the top of the list for congressman joe walsh and i don't think you can chalk this up to too much but it's just very very. bad for the break occupy wall street produces another iconic image of this movement is following in the footsteps of another successful movement i still eat it. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who needs decisions to break through and who can you trust no one will ease and deal with a global mission where we had it state controlled capitalism is called

taxes when nobody dares to ask me to give our tea question more. so sometimes you know what you know and sometimes you know what you don't know and sometimes as the firesign theater says everything you know is wrong i don't think. you're right. it's. sure.

you're always wrong. many many parents are faced with new parents are faced with many important decisions about their child's health and well being early childhood years one debate that has been raging in a new parent households and across the country for the past few years it has had decades is to vaccinate or not in the very vaccines that are supposed to prison prevent illness actually making our children sick and what are the options for parents who choose not to vaccinate increasingly that means making decisions a lot of doctors and schools and children are still required to show proof of inoculations to register. so everything you know about seems could be wrong the greater good a documentary that was released earlier this year ends to create the opportunity for a rational and scientific discussion on how to create a safer and more effective vaccine program rather than just focusing on the

emotionally charged pro and con debate to work. hard to. honest i don't think it's that black and white seems in some ways the benefit of their own success the government to trying to protect society but these motivations interfere with the safety issues. for the last few decades the numbers of doses of vaccine have more than tripled we are seeing a rise in the number of children with disabilities we worry about the future you could have thirty forty fifty different backseats mandated. no accountability you have a prescription for disaster. i have a chart and i follow through and i am interest what. are you you know i just want everybody to lay down their arms and figure out what is making them so sick. so what's the science and give us the choice. joining our clergy was going to regular of the gloucester and family foundation and board member of the national

back soon information center and was lee many opium that's right nikken a documentary filmmaker and producer of the greater good and great to have you both with us tonight into town so much for having us thank you what is a an amazing movie you put together and just the website for it was really quite remarkable what's the epidemiology of this part of sort of the mostly the epidemiology on vaccine you know what's i mean we're we're we're we're hearing that you know one in one hundred and something children is now born with autism or not early diagnosis whereas thirty years ago it was one in twenty thousand or something and there seemed using that as a possible connection but if you look at the science there are studies out there that show that there's a connection for instance between mercury and autism not necessarily mercury in vaccines but mercury and autism what's interesting though is that when that research is published it doesn't really make it into the mainstream media so when

you look at those statistics like one in one hundred ten kids have autism today. authorities say that we're at a loss and we can't explain it but if you look at some of the independent researchers they will argue that there is independent research showing that there's a link between some of the environmental toxins that we see and he's childhood illnesses that we're seeing and it's not just about autism it's about so much more from allergies asthma to learning disabilities and speech delays and the real question is have we actually done real research to understand what is causing those and. there are major gaps in the science today and so there are many scientists who say we haven't done the research to really understand and that's what we're really calling for in the film so so clear is that is are you are you saying in the film that we have a lack of information or that we have that we have some knowledge that we need to be sharing with what's the. the requester of political action the government and

the institute of medicine has acknowledged serious gaps in the science and many of the vaccine studies or all vaccine safety studies have been done using active placebos and active controls and there often are not to see that it has increased chance that are in the vaccine and is not in or is not a say leo's the old fashioned sugar pill or salt so. it would have an impact on the outcome of the study it would tend to give the impression that the vaccine is actually safer and it really is if i can try and translate this into. there or is that what they're called yes. these chemicals that make the body react to the vaccine more vigorously and those who are what has been implicated in some cases rather than the virus itself whatever it may be disabled in some of these cases and you're saying to are you telling me that in the studies that have been done they've

always had the edge of insulin in both the control and the placebo yes so how can you have a scientific study you can't because the control group is going to have the same adverse reactions as the vaccinated group and then they're going to say see this is this is incredible. on the on the other hand i've done international relief work and in five continents and i've seen in particular in africa where. people were backed by another group that i was working with his vax and action against polio almost miraculous results and we eliminated polio here in the united states in your film you interviewed the director of the office of vaccine safety and research at the f.d.a. and he seemed to imply that this was a case where we all should just accept the potential risks and benefits that are going to show a quick clip from this and then i'd like to get your take on that. as with any medication vaccine or whatever there are always some risks and so what we're really

looking to add is are the benefits provided by that you think see outlane the risks . at what point do we say and for i ask you first at what point do we say you know the risks are greater than the benefits or here's how we have millions of those risks are softeners for us. all the proper studies need to be done in the first place where vaccines do need to be each studied using true in our placebos they need to be studied in the combinations that they're given and they need to be studied in the entire schedule compared to a control group that see they're on vaccinated or has received a triple c. bell and until those studies are done we won't actually know how many people are being let it rest and how what the risks are we won't know the full extent of the numbers of people that are reacting to vaccines so your movie is more a call for what's bigger with a conversation than look at the sky is falling wasn't there though

a recent study you know was all over the newspapers all over the t.v. six months ago a year ago so this isn't tomorrow so all from arizona primary. this is the mercury i didn't see this you mr preservative perhaps that's right. nothing to worry about we've scientifically clear to you know where everybody go home go back to sleep. was the study wrong was the reporter was not the issue what's interesting is that most of the studies that are done that evaluate this type of safety that have been done by the authorities if you will are epidemiological studies which means that they look at the the they observation and the observed large populations of people and compare them to each other so they'll look at people who've gotten vaccines that campaign or mercury and then they might look at people who can see who get vaccines that contain lesser amounts of time aerosol but they never compare the people who've gotten vaccines to unvaccinated

people and you can imagine that that would probably skew the results so that's generally how they do it what else is really interesting is that there is an independent researcher who looked at the entire body of science that is available at looking at the connection between mercury and autism and what she. and was that the medical research actually favored a link by something like four to one it's just not reported in the mainstream medical and in the mainstream media and so that's you know we're not trying to throw the baby out with a bat mouth what are we really hope is that people will come together and acknowledge that it's not black and white that this is a very nuanced issue and that we really need to drill down and just very quickly the website for the movie is. the website for the movie is greater good movie dot org and we hope people will join the conversation was a clerk thank you both so much for being with the same town thank you so much for coming thank you for having us for more information or get a copy of the greater good documentary log on to greater good will be dot org lives

. now everything you know about vaccinations and the link to illness is right almost. we once again learn why peaceful resistance is so powerful when brave committed and disciplined young people set piece of peacefully occupying the university of california davis last friday it became the latest iconic image to come out of this ninety nine percent well as a road police officer clad in riot gear methodically paced back and forth in front of them dousing their faces with pepper spray these patriots did not fight back they didn't even run away they just sat there they took it they resisted the urge

to defend themselves they fought back that all too human impulse to respond to bile and so with more violence. that impulse that martin luther came warned against when he said returning violence for violence multiplies by its but quite a bit of brutal confrontation with police just one of those young people had responded to the pepper spray by lashing out instead turned into an iconic image of peaceful resistance that showed the fundamental evil of power being abuse and that is sure to endure long after this movement is finished just as the image of young people in the streets of oakland sacrificed their own safety to run to the aid of wounded in iraq war veteran scott olsen rather than fight back against the police who were violently launching tear gas containers into the crowd at image two will last as will the image of another iraq war veteran cave on submit submerging who

peacefully stood in front of a battalion of riot police and peacefully resisted as one of those cops drew his nightstick and ate him rupturing his spleen as well the image of young women in corralled and pepper sprayed in the ninety nine percent movement first kicked off they didn't fight back either they bravely took it and so too will all the videos and photos of the four thousand plus patriots who just sat there sat there and peaceful resistance all night sticks were shoved into their guts or while they were dragged down the streets by their hair or run over by a police motorcycle all of these are the iconic and enduring images which frankly are essential to a movement being successful. during the civil rights movement there were similar iconic images lester connick perhaps was what happened on the edmund pettus bridge in the march of one hundred sixty five what would later be known as bloody sunday civil rights demonstrators march from selma to montgomery when they began to cross

that bridge they were confronted by a barricade of riot police with nightsticks and tear gas masks the demonstrators stopped and just stood there waiting sure enough the police moved in violently trampled the peaceful demonstrators and dispersed the crowd to tear gas and the whole world was literally watching and for the first time people like me saw on their televisions at home the consequences of institutional racism and the power the incredible power of nonviolent resistance against it it became an iconic and iconic image the edmund pettus bridge became a symbol of the carried the civil rights movement forward so too are the images of nonviolent demonstrators being attacked by skin carrying water hoses and birmingham in one thousand nine hundred sixty three iconic images of nonviolence are essential to a successful and then i do not present movement is collecting more and more of these

images by the day from selma to rear square to u.c. davis peaceful resistance in the face of violence always wins the day and so we need to thank those brave patriots who are risking their own safety rescue this nation from the predations unregulated corporate power and bought off politicians. one day our children will look back on the footage of these days and say as we say today when watching the old news newsreels of selma and birmingham at the edmund pettis bridge at the hell where those police think and hutch longer can this society continue in such a badly broken fashion for things change things will change and you can thank those young people willing to put their bodies on the line of institutional violence for that change when it finally happens that's it for the big picture tonight for more information or to see any segment of the show you may have missed

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