nobody seems to know. that never ever sprayed the face but already argument that they're being overly dramatic. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you know here's the part of it and realize that everything is or. i'm sorry welcome to the big.

list or. are you guys it's time for show and tell on tonight's program last thursday was the national day of the markets here month anniversary of the occupy wall street

movement thousands marched across the country there are reports of mass arrests police beatings the use of pepper spray all to call the movement so do you think the police or the protesters won that day. to find out what you had to say as we head into month three of the. movement we have seen images of police using pepper spray and a group of peaceful college students launching canisters of tear gas into crowds beating protesters during mass arrests there's nothing like seeing a conflict between protesters and police with your own eyes to help decide which side you support so how do our viewers see it does the violence help greece support for the movement or for politesse who do you think is winning all smoky said the protesters show up with guitars and songs the police show up in riot gear one is there to sing the other to do dry control and it's not much of a fight for one side isn't participating john carney said the protesters are going to forceful reaction by the system shock troops is indicative of this fact so

quickly believes the protesters can't work until they unite about a few single and specific issues now kevin on the other hand told us the protesters are certainly winning but only if news outlets like archie came calling attention to the unwarranted violence so what does it all mean well the last major poll released by gallup yesterday concluded that fifty six percent of americans polled still have not made up their minds about the occupy movement and remaining vigilant of all americans still aren't quite sure what to make of the movement one thing is for sure the movement which some thought was just winding down for the winter is not going anywhere as long as police and marriage across the country continue behind crackdowns on a peaceful movement. all right now as always we appreciate your responses and here's our next question for you all in the show we spoke about the republican claim that higher taxes would lower living standards in the united states but as we showed you that doesn't exactly add up so do you think that the u.s.

standard of living would rise if taxes are raised from americans let us know what you think on facebook twitter and you tube and those responses just like me. now you know we constantly hear the argument from conservatives that federal workers earn too much well apparently they've done nothing on government contractors turns out there are many perks to being a defense contractor and one of those is the salary because under current rules you can get paid more than the president right now under current compensation limits set back in one thousand nine hundred eighty contractors can be paid up to six hundred and ninety three thousand and nine hundred fifty one dollars for the salaries of their top five executives that's almost seven hundred thousand dollars all courtesy of you and i can tax payers so let's give that number a little bit of context the president of the united states salary is currently capped at four hundred thousand about three hundred thousand dollars less than some defense contractor executives and don't forget these contracts are awarded by the government so it's your taxpayer dollars that are paying those salaries but it

seems as if under the just request or cut government spending our lawmakers have actually decided to pay some attention to the insane pay and balances between the contractors and the government workers senator barbara boxer chuck grassley and jay rockefeller all introduced the common sense of defense contractor compensation amendment to the two thousand and twelve defense authorization bill so this would cap the salary for all government contractors at four hundred thousand on part of the president and i guess you can see that is a bit of a compromise because in his deficit cutting plan released in september the president wanted to cap contractor compensation at two hundred k. so maybe one benefit of the hysteria surrounding government spending is that it's finally forced those in office to address the ever growing pay gap between government employees make versus government contractors turns out that contrary to right wing with the government workers are paid less. then there are contractor counterparts and i kept is only continuing to grow on the whole contractors are paid at seven point three percent more than federal employees doing comparable work and median contractor pay compared to the previous year increased by two point one

percent while government workers pay has stayed flat but here the gap starts to get super big when you look at contractor executive pay levels which are sixty nine percent higher than federal employee counterparts so you can see how and why this gap occurs when contractors are paid almost seven hundred thousand dollars by the taxpayers so the thought of executives at our nation's defense contractors being paid upwards of half a million dollars a year of politicians callously throw around cuts for veterans benefits and cuts the social safety net all that doesn't bother you not really sure what will i'm going to wait and see if this investment actually makes it through because i see it as a positive step. now this week it was reported to up to a dozen u.s. spies in lebanon have been captured by hezbollah over the last couple of months the u.s. embassy in lebanon is denying that news but not amisse officials are reportedly saying that it's true and it's incredibly damaging and effectively shutting down the agency's operations there a.b.c. is reporting that using the code word to meet at a beirut pizza hut could have been one of the things that gave them away kind of

sounds like an amateur and coolish mistake but it's another intelligence mishap and it seems to be an increasing trend we spoke on the show many times before about the agency's changing role since nine eleven of turning into a killing machine on drone strikes carrying out assassination plots in pakistan to yemen and somalia and it's led many to ask if this change in culture is taking a toll on the cia's abilities and if that's the case their focus on terrorism now with immediate results be keeping them from finding threats of the future to discuss this is retired lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer senior fellow at the center for advanced offense studies and packed america he's also the author of operation dark heart tony thanks so much for being here tonight for having me now as usual the way these stories go the embassy is denying it and so we just hear from anonymous officials that reportedly it's true we've heard about this in the past right it was in june to the leader of hezbollah started making those hints do you think that it is you don't know but the evidence is pretty clear that things

were telegraphed pretty early on and i think if you don't know the source of the record which i tend to believe we are we've pretty much lost the entire network here inside of lebanon which is a hugely bad thing at this point in time because we know. as you know the crossroads between you know syria iranians and. israel is really sort of all come together right there and it is a bad time to not have our eyes and ears on the ground knowing what's going on but unfortunately as i mentioned before it's not the first time that we've had the you know this is a bad time for something bad to happen you know let's go back to what happened in afghanistan in two thousand and nine. camp chapman double agent was actually set in they thought he was under control the us government used to be very clear about this book we took people inside the wire we actually had a word or an air assault with the rangers we do certain things to make sure that they were vetted she has been very sloppy and in two thousand i have chatman they allowed al-qaeda operative to come through the security checkpoints with the end of

killing i believe it was seven cia officers and some other personnel a total of ten and it was very clear that they were getting slack then they were going to die can two thousand and three operation dark heart the very focus of my book we were going to tell cia about it because we knew if we told them the chances were very good it would be compromised most likely to be to the pakistan the pakistanis well that's embarrassing the cia's supposed to be the top intelligence agency in the country and so are you have the mindset that this focus is post war on terrorism focus on like i said you know drone strikes targeting killing all our war on terror out of intelligence gathering is that thinking is top actually they fundamentally have been created to be a policy support organization to go on get the facts and support their products will be the first tell you we do the white house you know it's wonderful i mean we're all trained by cia. case officer is just our skills are focused on helping the military conduct military operations which ultimately is killing people so that

that one hundred between pure intelligence collection are focused primarily target collection and us doing military operations is gladly blurred and i think cia has gone way far into our lane looking at conducting military operations they have something called the ground branch which is really expanded during the war that used to be kind of the the less popular place to go in the old days now it's a place to be because they're prosecuting this hard but the problem is this your training skills which are necessary to have good networks telling you what's going on this is the skill sets are similar but not the same and if you don't really maintain your trade craft skills and that's what the problem is here from everything i hear. trade craft very craft trade craft if you're not paying attention to the p's and q.'s you're losing big opportunities to maintain focus on what you need to do which is told collection i'm going to talk about how this line now has been blurred and i don't know interim between the cia whose fault is that it's not that the cia immediately raised their hand after two thousand and one after and september eleventh and said let us get in here right well there's two

reasons that the lines are blurred first off the money is the killing side more than the collection side intelligence collection operation this being large if you will it's very expensive so you know you're not going to make a lot of money for your organization up absolutely the technology the the predator drones cia has your own predator drones that's all what they've been investing in that's where the money second is managers managers you just talk to government employees look senior managers want to be in the know to be inside the circle and so this war's been focused on going after terrorist therefore of course these guys are going to go the problem is this fundamentally we have always had this mission this is our job and we were very well and it's one of those issues that i think that we much better off letting the military to military operations and allowing c.i. go back on his mission was a little hard to say now that you have general david petraeus who was in charge of the war in afghanistan for that was in iraq was also now heading of the cia who is making those decisions to just share the same manager while over the top and this

is a lot of i'm hearing that he's not very popular over there is going is own crew with us that clearly there's a blurry even bigger blurry and this is were rumsfeld people love him or hate him when he was sort of france actually sort of pulling back the support for see i see i have to do a lot of this with you direct support and so this is where the line was was being pushed back clearly again having see i do certain things but now it's being back really kind of merged back together again so if it were up to you with the cia right now should they necessarily be do you think i should be conducting drone strikes do you think they should be focusing on al qaeda and other terrorist networks or should they be in other countries be in lebanon and worrying about threats of the. he returned rather than he know some people write about it today not speculate about being obsessed with this global war on terror the way they're obsessed with the soviet threat and of course sending weapons to the right for our fighting a kind of losing sight of what the results of the replications might be one of my friends who i would like to stand so i would just band of their mission is based on of the cold war the cold war is over we should reorganize the entire cold community

based on future threats you brought up in your direction will you be looking at what's over the horizon not sort of a rearview mirror i mean reporters are great about reporting what's now historians look at the past we have been told is going to be looking over the horizon we're not doing that right now especially if you just look at rock and people in lebanon or and in pakistan we've got to get over the horizon and that's the problem right now you live it was good until we could tell it is because we're going to see is we're going to see a lot of candidates tonight what if you don't present a foreign policy debate talking about the future and how we need to go out and bomb everybody from syria to iran and that is scary not a good solution really quickly before we wrap up you know i spoken about your book but here are al we mentioned the other day that now you're trying to sue and you can't get your original manuscript back even though you wrote it and it's already all over the internet it seems like there's no common sense here it's nineteen eighty-four yes you as a civilian could go out and find a copy of my book and original of redacted manuscript cost a few thousand dollars couple thousand dollars i can't look at it now it's totally legal for you to look at it because it was look like go but this is the insanity of

the current saying we sued and they're saying no we don't want you to look at it because that would mean you could tell us your own classified sources they don't want to deal with and this is the whole problem if you do if you say something they don't like they will push it aside for it to make it difficult frankly the other book obama's wars that book has tons of real classified information in it and yet you don't see any issue at all with it because that was a total focus absolutely who is allowed to have you know one of the sources that you know i mean you see the exact same thing in the story that you and i are speaking about right now is which sources want to tell what story is right you know what media outlets tony thanks so much for joining us here. hi coming up next can fox news darling for trying to downplay the horrific pepper spraying incident that happened you see favorites details coming our full time award and unhappy our national bachmann gets an interesting introduction are very balanced and romney's attack is quite proof for its portrayal president obama faces.

to the police the wrecking of. what a protester nobody seems to know. but never a proper spray to face but already are going to get they're being overly dramatic. you know sometimes you see a story in the scene so you think you understand it and then something else here's the part of it and realize that everything is ok. i'm charging the big.

blow to the capitol and i'm laurin lister in. our guidance time for tonight's tools on award and tonight we actually have two winners for you both who are royalty over talk news making kelly and bill o'reilly were having a nice little pleasant discussion on this show last night about the pepper spraying that occurred at a u.c. davis sit in over the weekend and by now i think we've probably seen the video where police walked down the line of students sitting peacefully in protest and pepper spray them. inches away from their face. thing. that's right that video has rightly sparked outrage across the country and three officers have been placed on administrative leave since that incident and while most media outlets have expressed disgust over the brutality made until now they

played it down to say the least. partial pepper spray that just burned dries right right i mean it's like a derivative of the actual pepper it's a food product essentially but a lot of experts are looking at that saying is that the real deal has it been diluted. oh pepper sprays essentially a food product megan really i mean that just sounds so lovely and heartless the idea even fades alicia's mysteriously of a nazi no person reacts to getting pepper sprayed i don't think they're writhing in pain just for the cameras i know bill it's not just for the eyes you can actually damage the cornea of your eyes and it affects all of you because membranes making it difficult to speak or even breathe for about forty five minutes some call it a neuro toxin and it can and just to give you a hint of how hot this food product is take a look at this chart developed one hundred years ago it clearly shows us great pepper spray is the second hottest type of pepper even if it's diluted and to put that in perspective it's a thousand times hotter than a hollow pen you know i remember when a pregnant woman was pepper sprayed during a clash between police and protesters occupy seattle.

thank. you. well the young woman has since miscarried due to the trauma that she sustained from the pepper spray doesn't make it is a moderate self you would think that she'd have a little more sympathy for those that have been hit with this weapon but she's not alone in her efforts to diminish the buzz around the u.c. davis incident bill o'reilly explained the police should've been trusted and they're on the spot reaction to the peaceful protesters it looks like these cars have have room to argue that this was not excessive force does that mean they should have affected the arrests in this way that's a lower old yes i am but i don't think we have we have the right to monday morning quarterback the police particularly at a place like u.c. davis which is you know a fairly liberal campus. so if you're arguing that because it's a liberal camp is that it's not ok to question the police action that's a quick reminder bill last time i checked you called yourself

a journalist and it's your job to question the actions of the police in the back and megan was coming out of the moral one aker not caring about what her spray does to people well that just makes this whole situation look a lot worse it's really something when journalists act as the spokes person or the police are trying to downplay the actions of the police that u.c. davis bill o'reilly and megan kelly are tonight's trial time winners. our guys it's time for happy hour and joining me this evening is lauren lyster host of capital account on r t and anthony rand as a director of economic research for the reason foundation and the math geniuses with me this evening already me. so i've already mentioned like five times in this show because i'm looking forward to laughing at the candidates once they actually open their mouths tonight there's going to be another foreign policy debate and i

think that we have a good little preview of what to expect take a look at something that perry said. if you believe it is libya which is true is true though so i still. over syria if you were the president today would you advocate that we do have absolutely. did you see the things throwing her out is that first like it when he was like wait which. was no way what does this mean i think i think herman cain is arguably the worst thing rick perry and that sense but at least he got an answer right at least about an answer i think you just made question yeah it's pretty easy that way i think you just figure that hey this is what texas politicians do they authorize or they answer to no fly zones over countries in that region you know if texas justice you know iraq are to. play safe or for america. sometime maybe answer is that is that saudi attacks things do. you know i think it's at least it wouldn't be romney who's going it would be you by

putting together a spreadsheet on the calculations rather this would be certain demographics approval you know whether or not a no fly zone would be accepted but that would be so boring if you overthink it just. i think things through just you know five you know it ok speaking of mitt romney he actually did something kind of shady take a look at this is his first t.v. ad that he's released and just listen to the quote from president obama. i. live by. all right so who cares about the economy. you said that turns out it was actually

john mccain that. was quoting mccain on the campaign trail but here's another interesting clip from this morning when they were talking about it on a daily record. senator mccain's campaign actually said and i quote if we keep talking about the economy we're going to all of. you know you if you did some work for mr romney. if i didn't larry about this paul think that we will do is totally lying campaign will inevitably do i feel about this is always with politicians do you want to start like detailing deceptions and campaign ads when you're going to be here for a very very long time and it's not republicans as you know i'm sure that once the president obama starts putting putting together campaign stuff that it's going to we're going to find the exact. same says they want to see if it was just like this is the way the world is the way the game is played perhaps i worry about the people who watch it at home and you know don't watch the news and read

all the blogs today they're like. you know romney is the wrong word and in my point at least you have to say i'm starting and it was because of the fact that we're in d.c. i don't know if this is going to be true for the rest of nation but we look at the fact that we're just writing this off as this is what politicians do maybe there's a sense of most american people that most of these campaign ads are going to be full of b.s. and they really only get it it's only going to speak to the audience like who's watching that clip it's about oh it will i was going to vote against president obama before but i don't know i don't think people that are for mitt romney are going to be persuaded anyway otherwise if an ad is misleading or vice versa for that matter i would like to see some more demon sheep in my you know weird stuff that we thought last time around yeah there's rob i love. you know they are good that's ok. michele bachmann it was on a jimmy fallon's show last night and just listen to the song at the roots played as you. congresswoman michele.

all right so the name of the song lion as. i think this is goes to show that the people that are getting the best shots in right now are musicians i'm sure that one singer got that in. general to the world leaders the occupy protests you know that i had to play and he sang a song of protest that the roots gets in baghdad they are the ones that are really making inroads each day it certainly wasn't a daily show interest for every politician so it's like presidential news again senator. isn't it in the fact though that like it was almost any other female politician that walked into that music a republican or democrat for the most part this whole country would probably be in

an uproar in some kind of feminist way but the fact there was michele bachmann. no one really is and i think that if he says something rather show i don't have very good i don't know the age i mean people just don't know the song yet maybe only going to say you know bachmann it was like until today said some people really decided to take a listen and decide to bring it i wonder to me value that was going to happen like if that was planned out or not but. i don't i mean hillary got some you know some flak and stuff about her big wide hips and i think. everything else gets a lot of flack for things that they shouldn't but i'm going to still hate michele bachmann something that's what's the. last thing everyone has seen the wiki leaks truck it's been a staple occupy wall street down and heidi park and basically what happened is the guy who got his car towed by the police one day they tried to give him a ticket because like his license plate was slanted and then he resisted and they try to come up with some other b.s. argument and now he's calling all the talking. and they just said that they've

never seen this week you extract the wiki leaks truck how do you mistake it was truck that says where you lives on the side of it is something that actually asked the right if you're the n.y.p.d. do they really think that julius anjan his ilk are going to be that stupid way that you lose this truck if you lose it in seventeen thousand pieces all over a store you're going to score you puts the tsunami is over at least they're working league struck is that they were just like whatever drop it off at the boundary you know. you're just. a little dog. ok everything goes but i am losing it like you would you expect are you going to stand for training you tonight in the night so a pretty good day for the come back tomorrow norm stamper the former chief of the seattle police department to be on the show to discuss the recent clashes between police and occupy wall street protesters and we timed out to get it right than if you want to show on facebook and follow us on twitter if you missed any of tonight's or any other nights ago passionately and if you've got flashing on a shelf and coming up next he's.

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