hello i'm john berman in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture it's seattle police kill an unborn child during a raid on the ninety nine percent movement a ninety year old woman claims a swift kick to her stomach by a police officer led to a miscarriage or in this tragic story and why the ninety nine percent movement is bringing the dark side out it's also why wall street and so occupy d.c. after two weeks of marching a group of patriots fans across the park finally arrived in the nation's capital so

what kind of message are they trying to suck and later who's screwed now that the gang of twelve has failed to break down which americans could be hit the hardest now the trigger gets pulled. you need to know this a police crackdown against the occupy wall street movement may have resulted in the death of an unborn child one thousand year old jennifer fox is in the occupy seattle crowd last tuesday and police moved in to break up the occupation fox pleaded with the cops to let her through the crowd because she was pregnant but the officers didn't listen instead they went into full brutality mode and she claims one officer rose his boot up and fifty in the stomach and then another officer wheeled his bike into her pregnant stomach but they weren't finished police then doused fox with their chemical weapon after a spray once again ignoring her cries that she was pregnant there was fox shortly

after the incident. five days later fox suffered a miscarriage doctors say it was trauma to her stomach and the stress of being pepper sprayed sprayed likely contributed to the death of her unborn baby she had plans to name a child miracle so what is it about the occupy wall street movement that seems to be bringing out the dark side at least in some of our cities of our law enforcement and criminal justice system to answer that retired police philadelphia police captain ray lewis joins me from new york he was one of the three hundred plus people arrested during last thursday's day of action captain lewis welcome thank you very much for having me thank you for joining us when when you were arrested in

new york city at the occupy wall street protest what did the signs say that you were carrying i'm curious the sign said n.y.p.d. please watch the documentary inside job then join us for a very interesting after watching this if you're watching this documentary no one could not join ninety nine percent except the one percent yeah and for people who don't know what you and i are talking about here inside job is a brilliant documentary on how basically the banks toure's took down took down america took down the world and made off with billions in their pockets and have never been prosecuted for it is that what provoked you to put on your uniform and go down and join the occupy wall street protest. well there were there were a number of different reasons the main reason it is that i just have a lot of empathy for anything that suffers whether it's a human animal and food being doesn't matter and i saw

a lot of people suffering down there and they were suffering for justice for social justice for everybody not just for themselves for everybody and that was a real inspiration to me and i just felt you know i'm living the good life here. i just was moved they inspired me their conviction inspired me to come down and join them we're seeing what appears to be increasing numbers of events where police are using chemical weapons and the so-called rubber bullets against people who are not explicitly threatening to them as a career police officer what are your thoughts on when and where this non-lethal force should be used. with a non-lethal force well all force should only be used through the bare minimum to subdue it offender to stop a violent act and once you reach that level of force where you're affective in

subduing the offender that's it it's over there's no doubt there's no need to go any higher than that and do you have a message for your brother and sisters in active duty. well my message to the brothers and sisters in active duty is the same from the protesters and that is i would like to start humanizing both sides towards each other and with by that i mean i would like the protesters to trip i would like the protesters to realize there's a human side to the cops and the cops to realize there's a human side to the protesters and how might each begin to bring that out in the other. actually question by starting a dialogue and that dialogue has got to be started with the protesters trying to humanize the police officers in letting them know

that they are human beings with feelings and problems just like that the protestors have to start the dialogue because these barrier islands because the police are trained not to engage in discussion with protesters not even to look at them they claim that for a reason it's a tactical reason to not be distracted the police could not be distracted when they are observing a crowd because it's a it's a tactic by demonstrators to distract the police so that they can be successful with another action subsequently the police will be staring straight ahead they will not be looking at you when you're talking to them but it obviously that's usually interpreted as an insult does not they're doing their job when they're doing that they were trained to do that that does not mean just because they're not looking at you as not mean they don't hear you subsequently i would like each protester to approach a police officer and not engage them in conversation because the officer can't do

that but to talk to the officer and i say talk to him not talk with because they can't talk with get but they can talk to the officer and i know i talked to a number of protesters and i have no idea what i'm going to say to him i'm outraged with him he represents the one percent and if there is one thing that every single protester can say to the police officer and that is the protester can tell the police officer why he or she is there and that's that's absolute brilliant captain ray lewis thanks so much for being with us and thank you for your service to your city and to the nation and for showing up it's it's an extraordinary thing you did thank you sir. thank you very much. from new york to the nation's capital after a two hundred thirty one mile march

a group of occupy wall street patriots have finally arrived in washington d.c. after leaving zuccotti park two weeks ago now that they're here they're protesting the failure of the gang of twelve super committee to come up with a deal to ease the suffering of the ninety nine percent of people who've lost their jobs their homes and their health care because of what the one percent did on wall street for more on that journey and what happens now one of the marchers anima joins me here in the studio panel welcome to do it great to have you with us thank you tell us about the the first of all about the walk from from new york down here to d.c. the work from new york to d.c. was really good very positive it was great to get out of wall street and get on the road and see main street america and really see what the country is all about and for you welcome to long the way or did you did the party protesters show up and throw sticks at you. well hope tea party protesters some tea party people actually gave was the don't tread on me flag to fly which was interesting because it's

interesting you know we didn't fly in because we know what that's all about but not in the way people would good. they definitely support what really to do yeah that's i think that increasingly on my radio show it's amazing to me the number of people acquire up and say i was in the tea party protests and now i'm in the occupy protests you know it's like people are you know there's a pot this is a populist moment you know it's just people are waking up now we have this thing called seacoast ration and in other words the super committee didn't work and so now the trigger gets in and. can you describe what. this this is where do you think that's going to go you know what. seems like the. super committee it seems like it's going to probably. wait around for a lame duck session and then pass through when the presidency is passed over that's

most likely what's going to take place and hopefully certain people will get in power to allow that to go through i think you know what what is going to happen now now here in d.c. and you and your friends came from new york what yes any plans for what's going on here yes we're going to occupy next we are going to be occupying d.c. of course for the next few days and then we're going to move on and continue to occupy the white house hopefully get in front of the white house protests and also we're going to be going to the republican meeting tonight and conveyed we should still get outside of their s.u.v.s or see what happens tonight not some of the things i'm going to either but we're going to. scrape while you're on the march. zuccotti get rated and you came out as a coffee have you i'm assuming corresponding talking one way or another with your friends who are their. house how does that energy how are they dealing with

what's happened to a raid on zuccotti park was quite interesting we were in philadelphia and about one o'clock we got the call that the park is being surrounded and being raided so at that point we ran into the media tent and watched on live stream and all the events unfolded as i'm sure many people saw the police surrounded and then they started pushing media out they took media passes they pushed media to the edges of the park and began the reaction process and that was very difficult a lot because we left the car do you think they were going to come back home per se and now there is no more zuccotti park in the sense of being in camp. right now we hear that people can't lay down in the park you can't bring packages that are too large and food is allegedly not allowed in the park haven't they rebooted in a park near trinity church yes they've reportedly rebooted and they're starting to take actions throughout the city. parson true church as well as foley square so actions are still being taken and more actions are being taken to the streets which

is positive for the movement. the super committee was arguably the result of the tea party demanding spending cuts and. you know how does how does how does occupy wall street get congress i mean it seems in this town that the way the congress to do something is you walk into a congressman's office and say i got one hundred thousand bucks for a campaign contribution i don't think anybody from occupy wall street is doing that or has the means to do that or. what's the you know what's the plan here how do we get their attention and the plan most likely is to move on from the tents and from the occupy ideal and to move into a more of an ideal that everyone is part of the occupy movement because a lot of people don't understand what we're about they say one of these guys is doing intense and local small communities have to understand that they have the

power to make changes in their community and by making changes in the community to be able to make changes in your congress and senate and that is how we're going to get to that change in the people who are in the power and making the decisions for us and we know the people start from the bottom up eventually occupy congress. so thanks so much we really thank you appreciate it thanks to the actions of occupy wall street the bank consulting firm c.g. forty two is projecting that the top ten mega banks in america could lose one hundred eighty billion dollars in deposits for next year why because people are taking the advice of the ninety nine percent movement and moving starving and moving their money into local credit unions on main street and today today's occupy age with the with the movie money campaign starve the beast has a new meaning star of wall street. coming up why it's past time for g.o.p. to these thoughts so-called news just dropped the word new. drives

the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions come to the breakthrough get through to people made who can you trust no one who is imbue it with the global machinery see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more.

so screwed out of the gang of twelve super committee has failed well it depends there are negotiations democrats on the super committee agreed to hundreds of billions of dollars in cuts to social safety net programs like medicare and medicaid that help the elderly and poor children get health care that's that no longer will happen since the supercommittee failed. so the good news and what should our lawmakers really be focusing on now that the whole gang government idea has gone bust dr irwin redlener joins me now from new york he is the president and co-founder of the children's health fund and a professor at columbia university's mailman school of public health dr redlener

welcome thanks i'm glad to be here thanks for joining us so now we have sequenced ration so can you describe what that is and why it's both a blessing and frankly a potential curse to the most fragile and vulnerable people in our society. well first of all the whole idea of sequester rationing was a kind of a backstop so if the idea was if this twelve person so-called super committee which turns out to be not that super failed in its mission to cut the budget appropriately and deal with the deficit then seaquest ration was the terminology used to describe what would automatically happen upon failure of the committee of it to complete its work so now we're to see cost ration which is not a great great use of that term but but in any case what it is is predetermined cuts in the budget that will take place as a result of the failure of the committee there's no new taxes involved but what it does involve is fairly equal cuts in domestic spending on programs that matter to

people and in the military budget through the department of defense and those are supposed to go for ten years these cuts without new revenue and and by the way it is very difficult as you were alluding to before time to understand whether it would just take children for instance in portugal and or senior citizens for that matter would have been better for them to have arrived at a conclusion that really shredded the safety net programs that by the supercommittee or wait to see the consequences of this so-called sequester ration it is entirely too complicated probably for the super committee members to have understood in the first place but for outside observers like those who are advocating for the poor and for kids and for the disabled it's almost impossible to discern what's going to happen now but it's absolutely a mess you know what outcomes are you working for and hoping for. well we were hoping that we don't in essence make short term fixes which end up really

putting us in a horrible bind in a few years from now like undercutting health care for children under cutting education for instance so that children will grow up in an environment where more and more of them will will not have been properly educated will grow sick and unable to really take their places productive adults society will be extraordinarily short term disaster for us the problem is that there are these cuts the vital programs that are going to take place during the the super committee's time or term and now there may be similar types of cuts even though medicaid health care for the poor and the child health insurance program would be preserved under seaquest ration even if the question is survives which it might not in its current form there are many other discretionary programs that we need to make sure that children are ok as they grow up and you know just try to get a basic education so we're dealing with the most uncertainty i've seen in several

decades now terms of the future for kids but the cuts they don't actually go into effect until january two thousand and thirteen that's after the next election and it's not legally possible constitutionally possible for any one legislature any one legislative session or our legislature to bind future legislatures so isn't it entirely possible that the an outcome of the election is really going to be the biggest variable here. well it'll be a variable but there's many other variables in terms of what will the pressure groups have to say about this what will fill those advocacy groups are people advocating for less or more cuts in the defense department's budget so there are so many overlapping factors here but the the big get away hundred pound gorilla of course is the election that's coming up and this mixture of this very intense out of control political deadlock coupled with a lot of uncertainty about what's going to happen with these programs creates

a level of actual anxiety and fear about what the future means for the most vulnerable in our society it is the height of irresponsibility that we've allowed ourselves to get into a position like this it's just i don't think any of us and to speed at this and what's worse is that the uncertainty is almost impossible to sort out terms of what's actually going to happen after the election in thirteen fourteen and beyond america dr levy regular thank you so much for joining us tonight. push of your tongue right now congress is trailing behind what the people actually want the idea of austerity and deficit reduction was so yesterday i mean it was a demand of the tea party and agency the outside of dick armey and the koch brothers pretty much doesn't exist anymore now the ninety nine percent movement is in the streets and they don't want austerity and want jobs they want economic security and health care and a good education it's time to create

a super committee if that's the you know maybe it's all of congress to accomplish these new. cording to a new study you're better off watch the no news than g.o.p. t.v.'s up so called news anyone surprised harley davidson university surveyed new jersey residents about the uprisings in the middle east and turns out people who get their news from fox are eighteen points less likely to know the simple fact that egyptians overthrew their government compared to people who watch absolutely no use whatsoever similar results were seen when fox viewers were asked questions about the syrian uprising as well as all the chatter about the muslim brotherhood over g.o.p. t.v. distracted viewers from the actual news taking place so is it about time to strip the word news from fox and just call it never heard it really is what roger ailes called it when he first proposed it to richard nixon when he worked in nixon's white house in the one nine hundred seventy s. g.o.p. t.v.

that was his name for it and that way we can leave the news reporting to actual journalists who are committed to serving the public interest here offer his take on this from los angeles is tony katz most of the tony cats radio spectacular at all patriots media tony welcome back. it is a pleasure to be here and with an introduction like that how can it not be a fantastic conversation ok well tony you know neither you nor i on our radio shows or on the t.v. show represent ourselves or our content is news we are openly in the opinion business and roger ailes first pitch g.o.p. t.v. to his boss richard nixon back in seventy two or what it was seventy three he explicitly suggested that it should masquerade as news but in reality be a vehicle vehicle to pitch republican talking points isn't time for fox and drop the masquerade and simply go back to their original name g.o.p. t.v. i reject the premise of the question what i'd like to know from you is where are the news organizations is it the unbiased artier is that the unbiased c.n.n.

of the unbiased n.b.c. a.b.c. c.b.s. or m.s.n. b c tell me where the news is tom it's a damn good question and this is one of the real problems and issues of our day i think sony is where is the news we used to have a rule that if you were broadcasting on the public airwaves you had to broadcast in the public interest and that's why all three networks had news divisions and they all actually lost money because they had correspondents all over the world they did their very best to provide news and that was necessary for t.v. stations and radio stations to keep their licenses you know reagan and of that eighty seven clinton put the nail in ninety six. well i think that the organizations that you're talking about still have people all over the world and i don't think that it's something to aspire to to losing money so i think there is the under station about how if we're going to have a conversation about opinion overtaking actual news you know that's a worthwhile conversation there is a tremendous amount of opinion out there that is used as news but to say that that

news doesn't come from fox is that that's false i reject the premise of that news existed news does get reported what slant comes after the fact that's an interesting conversation and happens all over the place this is why i'm a new media guy that's where you got to go for actual news and increasingly it seems the romney tossed out of the first t.v. . campaign against president obama and he opened the campaign with frankly a lie here's first of all what president obama had to say. even as you're worried about keeping your job or paying your bills or staying in your home my opponent's campaign announced last week that they plan to turn the page on the discussion about the economy so they can spend the final weeks of this election attacking me. senator mccain's campaign actually said and i quote if we keep talking about the economy we're going to lose. ok so and then here is what the romney ad

says. but. if you saw. them. oh tony or use horrified by this is most americans have seen both. i mean i'm not horrified but if you think you can get me tony katz to defend mitt romney you don't know me at all i think it's a bad ad and i think there are so many ways to do a good ad to talk about how bad president obama is with the economy that it wasn't necessary so i look at the ad and i say that's just a bad if people want to react to it and say why would you make such

a misrepresentation let them if they say you know what misrepresentation but obama still bad the economy doesn't understand the economy and doesn't have the intellect to really turn an economy around like that too but i'm not here to defend romney it's just not going to happen ok well just just for your edification here's an ad produced very think progress that or it's one hundred percent iranians own words by his standards by his own standard that it's ok to pull things out of context. we should raise everybody's taxes there's nothing unique about united states government knows better than a free people how to get an economy fiscal responsibility is heartless and immoral lettuces raise your taxes more we just need a little bit more america is just another nation with a flag i'll quote it's accurate by mitt romney stares tony do you think that the ends justify the means and the means embedded in the end that a campaign based on lies like this will end up with an administration filled with

lies. ya know i'm not somebody who believes that the ends justifies the means which is exactly why i'm i'm not an occupy wall street guy for example i think that if our conversations going to be about politicking in the next generation and how to engage the facts and how i don't gauge honest conversation without getting into the muckraking i think that's something that every american regardless of political party or political affiliation whatever would absolutely agree with but there is this the level of down dirty is not something that works for us it's not something that turns us on and not something that inspires us let's stick to facts the economy is what it is unemployment is at nine percent you six is it sixteen percent you have people who cannot get work whatsoever because we don't allow cap was an entrepreneur's to thrive and survive we have too many regulations i just read incredible article about california there's a same article. is already in toronto and i discuss the issue of taxation etc.

and i would love to push back on that but we're flat out i'm tony harris thanks so much of a. pleasure tom thank you there is one way to solve this problem five so-called news and of t.v. news people avoiding telling unpleasant truths about candidates like mitt romney is lying in this ad and that's to bring back the notion of programming in the public interest. program in the public interest used to be used to be the standard in america used to be to keep a radio t.v. or cable license a radio or television station or cable company had to prove that they were programming in the public interest and i'm not talking about public service announcements for bake sales i'm talking about actual news and free time for candidates for candidate discussions reagan and clinton put an end to that reagan when he stopped in force in the in the fairness doctrine eight and seven in eighty seven and clinton when he signed the telecommunications act in ninety six between those two things and killed it off then the supreme court said add corporations are

people and they are of the right to blatantly lie and candidates and our so-called debates have you noticed that these debates you have sixty seconds thirty answer the question that's not a debate that's drooling bumper stickers you know there's no way in sixty seconds that anybody can talk about a real issue so the real issue of the fact that our t.v. networks are not allowing a real issue a real discussion is an issue that's not going to be discussed on the t.v. networks why is that because the billion dollars that in all probability is being raised right now for the two thousand and twelve campaign you know the money's going to end up in the pockets of the television networks so of course they're not going to talk about it we have to crack through that wall of silence and have a conversation about the right of the people in the united states to know what's really going on something beyond the carpet bombing of ads by karl rove's groups and other you know hiding behind.