welcome to the lone show where you get the real headlines with none of the mercy or can you live in washington d.c. now tonight we're going to talk about the european debt crisis coming to america as president obama hosted an e.u. u.s. summit at the white house today some say the i.m.f. is the only hope left but with that require our do nothing congress to get involved then relations between the u.s. and pakistan have hit yet another a very sour note as a nato airstrike killed twenty four pakistani soldiers over the weekend now in response is closed off the supply wrote afghanistan and given an eviction notice to

the cia's drone landing site so how much worse could things get scott horton is going to join us for that one and today is one year since wiki leaks began releasing two hundred fifty thousand state department cables so how is the world changed since then and why does the u.s. stand out in his reaction to what others call a great journalistic organization where you have all that morphy tonight couldn't get us of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. parts of this weekend the news broke of the city of los angeles was going to evict occupy l.a. which at this point is the largest encampment still left around the country. after fifty six days of occupying the lawn outside l.a. city hall occupy l.a. campers most move out by late sunday night the city hall park will close on monday nov twentieth at twelve zero one zero s. we're asking the participants in the occupy l.a.

encampment to begin to pack their belongings. the thing is that when it came down to it to late last night or the wee hours of this morning something different happened there were no massive clashes between protesters and police there were no mass arrests were a few but it was definitely not the scene that we've become used to seeing. occupy protesters in los angeles have defied a deadline to leave their camp outside city hall that was promised to leave started clearing up the demonstrators involved in the occupy. movement around city hall just a few hours ago after a couple of earlier where there hasn't been any real violence there. yeah i know the mainstream media just seems so odd and food isn't disappointed that there weren't massive clashes and sexy pictures of flash grenades they just reported on the peacefulness of it all and moved right along but i think that this is the moment the deserves reflection personally i think of the encampments in all cities should be allowed to stay and we shouldn't see cities using ordinances to evict

them to begin with but if they're going to insist on placing these time limits on announcing evictions until protestors take it to the courts to step in trying to get them to grant permission to stay then this is a shining example and this shows just how wrong oakland and new york and other cities across the u.s. were the l.a.p.d. didn't come out in full riot gear all they did was try to clear traffic they were wearing regular uniforms with helmets on foot using their segues not using flash grenades and tear gas and pepper spray and arresting protestors and journalists alike and abusing people violently so it just shows you how unnecessary those actions were in other cities it shows you that there are other ways to handle peaceful protests in that you don't have to use militarized tactics to suppress them up press them crush them out of existence which by the way didn't even work in oakland or new york because after those well publicized overzealous evictions there are always more people that took to the streets the very next day to show their support but this just shows you the police and protesters don't have to be enemies you can still enjoy your freedom of speech and assembly and while it may sometimes

result in some annoying haggling with city officials and judges it never has to result in having chemical agents and force used against you and i repeat one more time los angeles is the largest occupying can't mean that it's still left this is the ten or fifteen students who were peacefully sitting with linked arms at u.c. davis when a police officer decided to walk down the line and peppers. them in the face this is an even handed conscious attempt by the city of los angeles to make room for everyone those that are occupying and those that are trying to get through traffic to get to work on time and so i think that it deserves to be noted i think that it deserves discussion it deserves questions from the mainstream media to the officials of other cities that shows they handle the situation so differently bring on jeanne kwan bring on it michael bloomberg and show them that video and ask them why but you know that we won't see that it's just a few too many dots to connect too good of a memory to have not exciting enough for the mainstream media the only loves a good showdown with the police this is what they chose to miss.

all today president obama hosted this year is e.u. us summit at the white house with the european council president european commission president and foreign policy chief. as you can imagine europe's ever debt crisis was issue number one especially since the predictions for doom are starting to abound many influential economic minds pointing out that italy is closer to collapse than anyone realized and that if italy goes down so does the global economy there are rumors of an i.m.f. size monster sized loan to italy to the tune of almost eight hundred billion dollars but that amount of money might require the u.s. congress to step in and it might not even be enough british embassies in the euro zone have already been told to draw up plans for a europe collapse and british ex-pats that will be in need it when social unrest follows but is an e.u. u.s. summit really can help this situation while the obama administration is eager to

point the fingers at europe tell them to hurry up or we all go down the striping is a little double sided our economy isn't exactly healthy and a new bloomberg report that as close as seven point seven trillion dollars in secret loans the fate of the fed gave out to major u.s. banks shows that we're not prepared for another financial collapse ourselves so here to discuss this with me is tyson barker director of transatlantic relations at . bertelsmann foundation thanks so much for being here tonight thank you for having me all right so how do you see this e.u. us summit at the white house i mean is there a sense of urgency or people feeling that there is an emergency going on as you said yourself that this is the number one foreign policy issue for the united states right now i think that there is an awareness in the white house and particularly at the treasury and the fed that this is a foreign policy issue number one for this administration the obama administration's political future basically hinges on the future of the e.u. is there an awareness in the public the wider public and is there in the fact of communication of this message i don't think so i couldn't agree with you more there in the sense that i don't feel like people understand exactly how bad it is but is

that because the system itself and the way of the eurozone is organized is so hard for us to comprehend you know that there is no central treasury there which by the way seemed like a crazy idea in the past now it's going to be floated around but you have seventeen different governments all have to come up with their own decisions you know how do our lawmakers first start to understand that on their own and second try to communicate that to the u.s. i think you've hit the nail on the head and that's that the system is very complex in europe you have a council president a commission president a european parliament president and a president of the rotating presidency of member states that's for presidents europeans themselves don't even understand the system it's very difficult for us to understand it and for congress to understand it if europeans themselves don't really have a relationship to this this body that is really governing them but so is it fair to say that the worse and we are seeing a little bit of this sniping back and forth in the obviously the obama administration telling europe to hurry up they're not exactly loving it because our

economy is kind of in the gutter as well but you know who's in the worst situation i guess or who's more fault i think that's a valid question and the one way that i would spin it is this what happens in the united states with the debt crisis and with the failure of the super committee to come to an agreement does not put it. the question the the solubility of the united states as a union what's going on in europe right now really brings into question the viability of the eurozone going forward we're talking about an existential crisis for the e.u. and the united states we're not talking about that investors are responding to that they're actually buying t. bills as irrational as that might seem to some people but they're getting out of the european markets and that's sending a much a signal of a much greater crisis on a much larger magnitude but what about our institutions when you say that they're necessarily sound if you look at our banks right now bank of america is in a lot of trouble no matter how much they try to hide it and we have this bloomberg report that shows us that the fed gave out seven point seven trillion in secret loans of the banks profited thirteen billion dollars off that but that means all

that time the banks are promising everybody telling them how sound they were and it wasn't true so give us a little bit of pause a little bit of concern as to whether anything they say now is true i think this is a completely valid point and this is something that could have an enormous blowback also from europe the european banking system is in the crisis right now and that's partially because they took on this quote unquote risk free sovereign debt which we now find is full of risk so that could blow back into our system as well the place where the united states differs a little bit from the european union is we have institutions that have existed for hundreds of years we have legacy institutions that even as we're frustrated with their ability to do nothing congress as we call it or the shadow we fed they've existed for a long time when you're talking about europe's institutions they've only existed for eight to ten years so nobody really knows who they are who's in charge who has the power and that's where the crisis lies it's a crisis of confidence confidence right now and we're going to go back to europe in

just one second i want to ask you one more question about this bloomberg report do you think that would change some minds that that would change the way the congress approached frank or any kind of financial reform if they knew if the fed had disclosed just how much trouble the banks were i think that there is no question that dodd frank probably did not go far enough to reach into the balance sheets of banks to. start to regulate them but banks are not national institutions their international institutions and particularly american banks they're transatlantic they have deep pockets deep seeds in the european market and vice versa so really the u.s. and europe should be working together to solve this crisis which is why this summit today was so timely all right let's get to italy is that doom doing a lot of people say that that's it italy is about to collapse unless perhaps the i.m.f. steps in do you think that's the only help where we stand today italy is not in the same situation as greece greece is insolvent italy is illiquid the market has panicked and started capital flight from italy to other to other safe havens but

its economic fundamentals are still sound it has a high savings rate is still has a degree of competitiveness world class companies and the great work force the problem is at this point it needs that liquidity the liquidity probably will not come from the i.m.f. this is a european problem it's going to require european solutions. when you say it's here and we have a problem it is going to require european solutions who is going to do that because the moment the e.c.b. it doesn't seem all too eager and you know what other options are out there on the table that's the question of the day there are really two options that most economists see one is a lender of last resort role for the e.c.b. that it can have a similar mandate to the fed where growth and employment are part of their mandate not just price stability and the other is a mutualization of debt other words in other words euro bonds and the country that's putting the brakes on both of these issues is germany that is understandably so because you have a doesn't want to be dragged down with the rest of them but you know we could say

this is a european problem but the i.m.f. it's a is a global monetary fund you know it helps it helps other countries all around the world even though it's not necessarily our problem or someone else's problem so why wouldn't they step it aside from i guess you could say that republicans in congress would be happy to do it with the real point here i mean the i.m.f. doubt a boo. he has the expertise and the know how to reach into this crisis and really help to solve it and to have that lyndon role that it's had traditionally in a lot of developing countries and even with greece the problem is it doesn't have the fire power right now and to get that fire power would need the backing of its largest lender which is the united states and that would require congress to act we all know that there is no mood in washington today for more lending to europe for more lending to the i.m.f. so i think that that option is really off the table but at the moment you seem you seem optimistic that you don't think italy's going down and dragging down the entire euro zone with it and sending the world into a global depression and mass unemployment and social address the way the brits are

predicting. i wouldn't say i'm that optimistic to be honest with you i mean never underestimate the european leaders ability to kick the ball down the road or to muddle through we're coming to that point where they have to make a decision where it's either euro zone breakup or some kind of federal it's a ship that decision is going to be made in berlin and brussels and to some extent in paris it's not going to be made in london and it's not going to be made in washington i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and i guess we'll just have to cross our fingers that that it's the right decision and we don't see that kind of collapse and you know and the results of it go everywhere else thanks so much. and just ahead on the show look out there's more proof a civilian drone that can be popping up at a police department interview and a nato airstrike over the weekend leaves twenty four pakistani pakistani soldiers dead and tensions growing between them and the u.s. in the time high so has this rough relationship finally reached its breaking point for time to the topic and if.

you don't believe. what. nobody seems to know. that never appropriate the face but hardly argument that they're being overly dramatic. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture.

of the capitol and now i'm lauren lyster. just last week we reported to you about a police department in montgomery county texas that's bought a small drone for its department although the health of d h s however looks like the concept of domestic drone use is no longer going to be an exception but rather a part of the future of domestic law enforcement the federal aviation administration is such proposed new rules for the use of small drones in january setting the stage for other law enforcement apartments to get their very own drones now the new rules were reportedly addressed how to safely assimilate the drones into national airspace although there are no details yet as to how exactly it's going to have it the f.a.a. has already issued two hundred and sixty six active testing permits for civilian unmanned aerial vehicles but so far those devices have yet to be used widely in national airspace due to those safety concerns so the new regulations are going to

open the doors for drone makers like aero vironment to shop it's a variety of drones around to eighteen thousand police departments nationwide and police departments of already expressed how cool these tools could be and how they could come very handy. we can launch this put it over a far put it over a hazmat spill put it over. with a barricaded suspect and literally give the incident commander the ability to look at the entire scene with a bird's eye view. and how exciting now police also say the drones would save them a lot of money they've got a forty thousand dollars instead of the typical police chopper that could cost a million dollars apiece becomes on the only ones that are interested in using this military grade technology farmers say that it could help them spray pesticides on their crops and utility companies believe the drones could help them keep tabs on gas and water pipelines making sure the infrastructure is working correctly however it seems to me like everybody here is overlooking

a major problem human rights groups like the a.c.l.u. of race privacy concerns ever since rumors first started swirling about drones being incorporated into law enforcement practices an increase in drone use well to really increase the level of surveillance across the u.s. these vehicles offer police and on the sky which means the police will be able to more effectively monitor the u.s. population on a twenty four seventh's basis and i hate to say it but looks like the government is fast tracking the plan to integrate drones into our domestic airspace disregarding privacy fears and giving police more opportunities to track your every move. and yet another incident has put the relationship between the u.s. and pakistan on very thin ice this past saturday and nato airstrike killed twenty four pakistani soldiers and injured another twenty five what exactly happened has yet to be cleared up some reports quote western officials saying that nato acted in self-defense and looking at the joint statement released by the state and defense departments they stopped short of apologizing but kept pakistan has already

responded by closing the supply route which u.s. and nato forces used to transport materials to afghanistan and pakistan has given us fifteen days to vacate the shamsi airfield in blotches stead where the station's roans and runs. teligent operations so is this relationship finally reaching a breaking point or has it all become part of a game play itself out over and over again joining me from our studio in new york to discuss it is scott horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harper's magazine scott i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and well seems like this is becoming a bit of a habit i don't know would you say is this situation so much worse than what we saw with the case of raymond davis or with the bin ladin raid you know or is it just another one on the list well you know in baseball terminology it might be three strikes and you're out i mean it certainly reaches the same level of trauma as these prior events it's being received very dramatically as

a domestic matter inside the pakistan it's fueling louder and louder coals there for retaliatory measures against the united states and for a break up in relations so i think you know this this year certainly twenty eleven has been the year from hell for u.s. pakistan relations now if we talk about this logistically a little bit too so far it seems like they can't really give an answer on exactly what happened as i mentioned nato said that it could have been in self-defense but in our correspondence earlier you said that this really brings up a larger problem in terms of persistent and also about the fact that they're not really supposed to have airstrikes on pakistani still anyway right. well that's right i mean the accounts inside the pakistan say that the strike occurred at the time when the barracks troops at this border post were in fact asleep so out that they have been retaliating but i think we've got to put all this in the bigger

picture of the nature of the war in afghanistan and what's going on there remember it's a counter insurgency campaign and then counter insurgency as opposed to traditional warfare accuracy and targeting is at a premium i mean everything turns on whether the civilian population believes that you are there to protect them from a terrorist adversary or whether you're their enemies if you miss you strike a wedding party you strike a funeral you hit a village that was in an incorrect target you build animosity inside the country and this is no matter how you cut it this is going to be a tremendously embarrassing incident for the nato command in afghanistan clearly it's a mistake nobody nobody thinks they actually intended to target this border post but i think we see already in the charges they're flying between the pakistanis and

the reluctance of the united states in the end the nato commanders to acknowledge a mistake you see the tension that's just below the surface between the pakistani and the nato military tension that's manifested itself and the decisions you went over before including shutting off the supply board or the afghanistan. now when we talk about shutting down that supply corridor you know you said i want to have this could be very embarrassing and terms of mistaking as mistakenly hitting those soldiers but how damaging is it actually you know in terms of getting supplies to have ghana stand have they learned from when this happened over a year ago now are using to take a stand are using this back to stand you know does it hurt all that bad. what they've been working on the transition then and i think the you know the raymond davis incident earlier in the year already sent a signal to the americans and to the nato command that they really need to shift

things to the north they've been working on that but eighty percent of the supply flowed through pakistan in twenty ten this year they're trying to flip it around to make eighty percent flow through the north i understand they haven't quite reached that goal but now there's going to be a complete cover from pakistan so it's are going to move to the north and i think we've seen you know already in the last several months scrambling on the part of american diplomats and military figures to accomplish that aim this is the reason why hillary clinton was in tajik and meeting with president karimov american diplomats and political leaders have placed such a premium on a reconciling themselves to the government also to the taji and to the care because that that that relationship is going to be vital for the logistical supply of the military operations in afghanistan they cannot count on the support of pakistan what about what's your take in terms of the eviction notice when it comes to this

air base where we are parking some of our grounds. that's going to really create some questions about the drone war because the drone war in pakistan has been flown in large part of it out of that air base it has been supported by on the ground intelligence work done by american operatives and contractors in the region they fix the targets they've done that after attack assessments pakistan has constantly said we're against this you know these are illegal strikes but behind the scenes they've been passing information they've been suggesting targets they've been unable in the entire campaign the sense today is that that's changed and that pakistan now is going to move to a quite serious position against the drone war and the big question is how is the us going to react to that if it no longer has the balochistan base to use as a source of course it's been waging

a drone war from two sides there's been the the j. socket control drone war out of afghanistan and there's been the cia controlled drone war from pakistan so the possibility is of course that they can launch these devices from the afghan side but then we're talking about incursions on the pakistani territory axa could be viewed as as acts of war so i think it's really putting us in the entirely new position and this of course has been viewed by the us tactically as a critical part of the total war. now what do you think is you know is really going on here because of course there's a lot of double speak when it comes to the pakistani military the pakistani government itself when it comes to what they allow how many troops they know are there how many drone strikes are going on versus what they tell the public but you know some people have compared this to a new type of cold war scenario although of course there's a lot more cooperation and we give them

a lot of funding every year but would you take it that far. i think it's i think we're moving into a new epic but we have to remember the government of pakistan is not a monolith you know we have a cohabitation going on between a elected civilian government that the us actually has pretty good relations with and it's been very supportive of and then we have the military establishment the general staff of the i.s.i. and there are american relations have been chilling and i think over the last few months have become downright prosti and hostile and it's i think no secret that this point that both says a civilian leaders in the islamic and america in pakistan the experts have been very concerned about the possibility of a military takeover in pakistan they've been looking at ways to help bolster and shore up the civilian leadership and i think there's a lot of suspicion right now that these incidents the three of them this year are

providing an effective basis for the military in pakistan to reassert itself to claim popular support and to reduce the ability of the united states to support the civilian government and that may be a big issue at the end of the day here that is whether democracy real democracy is going to survive there but so in that sense if we talk about these last three incidents if you want to talk about the us on the modern rate in the raymond davis case and here they're all instances of violation of sovereignty so we are playing our own part here and yet i feel like we don't hear enough about that from politicians i mean actually play a clip from senator dick durbin that i personally found a little surprising. first and deeply saddened that twenty four or twenty five pakistani soldiers were killed by nato drones and i think we expressed those condolences imagine how we would feel if it had been twenty four american soldiers killed by pakistani forces at this moment. why don't we hear more of that.

well i think you striking a very important note there i mean the fact of the matter is that if you live in pakistan you're much more likely to hear about these strikes and hear details about them in the united states we hear next to nothing about this isn't this is the same case with this incident that occurred over the over the past week and we've heard very little about it in the american media and why is that covert action is the reason why because the drone strikes are frasse a far right as covert action by the u.s. government and that makes it impossible for government figures to talk openly about what's happened in different details about it and that's the reason why the average reader of a newspaper in lahore is going to know a lot more about what's happening than someone even who tracks internet and broadcast media in the united states it's kind of i thank you so much for joining

us tonight and it seems like finally at least though these things are starting to make a little bit more news thanks. great to be with you. are coming up next on the show and respond as any viewer comments and you said i read it and it's been a year since we can make started releasing state department cables and some countries so little blind side has been rewarded but here in the usa it's an entirely different stories are going to speak to kevin zeese that why scientists side is creating such a division around the. internet only military mechanisms to do the work to bring justice or accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism.