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welcome to future little taxing people in the name of health is one of the aims of the so-called bad governments all over the world and throughout history have adopted policies to influence behavior in the name of public health should be to subject them to syntax like alcohol and tobacco. cross-talk a so-called fact tax i'm joined by mimi roth in new york she is president of the national action against obesity in los angeles we have robert ferguson he is c.e.o. of diet free life and serves on the presidential task force on obesity for the national medical association and in manchester we cross to bill bradley he is the

london chapter leader of the western a price foundation or i focus is crossed i mean you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it but first marcia tell us more about what is called the facts well first i must say it's quite ironic to see one of the least the countries in the world get a first implemented measure but irony aside let's figure out what this tax is all about the law which went into effect and then mark in early october eleventh the surcharge on foods high in saturated fats all with good intent politicians claim it will help three does cardiovascular disease a we say and diabetes at the political level there was a high degree of consensus for this law that was wide agreement about trying to improve the average danish life about trying to improve the health of the danish people. but outside of politics the measure is finding few allies first that will take years before empirical evidence can prove that attacks not only causes measurable changes in behavior but also translates into tangible health improvements at the same time studies have shown

a positive correlation between income level and better diet quality which means that the fat tax will hit the poor first and foremost a daunting prospect for those already mired in the economic crisis critics of the approach also say there are more efficient alternatives such as taxing people who already are overweight a practice often deemed unethical and controversial and for that reason avoid it meanwhile countries like the us which has the highest obesity rating in the world has been instead trying to target diet habits among children who want to get parents information so they can make good decisions we want to improve the quality of food in our schools we want to make food more affordable and accessible but if all else fails there's already talk that the u.s. along with other western countries could follow denmark's example and who knows after all research has shown the taxing smoking for example does reduce its consumption then mark now expects to rake in some two hundred thirty three million dollars in fat tax revenues money has promised to spend on health programs and

maybe it's something to think about him in those absurd measures something to think about ok i'd like to first go to mimi in new york what's wrong with the fact tax because are the games on to something because you know i used to be a smoker and i quit smoking for health reasons but if i lived in the united states i probably would have quit because it's just too damn expensive to buy cigarettes so you know we have governments all the time influencing behavior why not do it when it comes to all of you city. i'm actually all for the tax the reality is did mark has a ten percent obesity rate that's the perfect time to address obesity ninety percent of people who lose weight do not keep it off it is very hard to reverse obesity the only way to reverse that trend is to prevent it so it's the perfect timing for denmark to make big measures to revert to reverse the trend and get in front of any escalating obesity numbers and i'll tell you what any survey around the world the best looking people always come up to be that they must be doing something right robert what do you think about that would be i mean if the best way

of controlling obesity because we had many there saying we should get out there in the front of the game here before it happens i mean there's so many countries especially in the industrialized west where we're decades behind the ball here i mean what's the best way of controlling it into a lot of people saying that a character is to do it and you know and it may be because like i said with alcohol and tobacco it seems that change people's behavior well here's the deal and this is you know some coming from someone who's in the trenches you do not want to have a fat tax and this is why number one in order to attack somebody you must identify what makes that product or food i'm helping so my big question around the globe is who are the people responsible for tell me what is actually help the and what is not healthy that's number one so once we can figure that out and i can't wait to meet these people who are actually categorizing the food as unhealthy there was

talk from there and we also know that when you say already there is a new problem it is in food by the way that's a very interesting point of view exactly but when i go to fill it here and you can get everyone here on the panel you know it's an interesting thing is that we need experts to tell us what's healthy what's not healthy i mean i think even we all know if we go to mcdonald's every single day that's not going to be healthy for you ok i mean that's common knowledge that you know it's not a mystery. but what we really wanted is your first meal go ahead philip and we believe the government's made the mistake of demonizing traditional nutrient dense foods and fats from grass fed animals mcdonald's doesn't provide that it's now always from factory farm animals which have a completely different nutrient. provision. instead because women have replaced natural fats in traditional foods with excess carbohydrates toxic marjorie means and vegetables and we actually believe that these what are causing obesity

and disease in fact actually actually cause more obesity really well me what you know if you imagine actually just just at this the british government prior to nine hundred eighty three promoted a carbohydrate restricted diet turn courage weight loss and they suddenly turned around when they adopted the low fat agenda ok robert what do you think about that you were chuckling there you agree or disagree with that. why i gree with the theory of the trans fats in interest or i interpret interest or five bags are unhealthy is something there we all benefit to avoid but at the same time it blows my mind that people look at fast food me on a matter we condemn it here's the reality of head high is the big mags eat fillet or fishes fries then go from your far left to right as far as fast food fine dining where again occurred and they've all been able to reduce their waistline and expand their life i'm talking about elevated cholesterol we've brought it down so as not

so much the. high end you have been showing them and then not only go ahead be go ahead jump in that's the point of the program. well look here's the here's the deal so. i need this is einstein said the you cannot you cannot solve today's problems using the mind said to create the problem you're coming from a diet mentality in a diet mentality is not what's going. save people's lives you may want to say to everybody this is. still going on since you have not been on a diet and that's why you have time identifying with the challenges the motional challenges that people are faced with then. you speak for the reason that you don't feel for you i mean are you really me who you are is showing people how they can literally be successful we gardeners of the economic situation or their cultural identity you're the one who is placing judgment on people in stopping them from being able to maximize life based on their situation and circumstances and that my

friend is what we define as wellness meeting people we're the orange showing them how to make it work so as education i just mean he really knows we're talking about anymore ok jamie as you talk about that i come where you are great because. the way you go ahead. i come i come from a long line interview so you be my mother my father my aunts my uncles my grandparents you know and i know just how difficult it is to maintain health i run four miles a day i watch what i eat i do not call that going on a diet i just call that being responsible about what i eat i think that what we all have to do is figure out what kinds of foods we can eat that allow us to maintain health and it's not just about life expectancy it's about being well for the length of your life if you are sickly like my grandmother who has not gotten out of bed in four years not even to go to the bathroom she lives in a twenty four hour care home she's now in renal failure all because of obesity i've

seen my entire family suffer this i do know what i'm talking about it is about not just the fat tax you're right let's get you know let's look at the high sugar foods to people need to eat in a way that they can maintain healthy for the length of their life like i had all those and they were if you're using i think you lost as on when you got hyperbolic the reality is it's very very. well in this environment to control our imports is but we have to control our sex impulses we have to control other impulses like they are and we also have to learn to control our food impulses food is a wonderful thing but we can be completely out of control with food all the time any industry and lobbyist why to keep us out of control at all times with you and you with me know that i was going to want to. like you just leisure to let you know you're good yeah i'd like to address the sugar issue we're concerned about types targeting sure who will encourage artificial sweeteners and these actually can

induce food cravings by creating and chilling response and. special serenus like aspartame are particularly toxic this is produced from g.m.o. bacteria and it breaks down into formaldehyde and methanol in the gut and we're going to see a lot more this but the ironic thing about the about the government's nutritional guidelines one of the most ironic things is over half of the calories proposed from carbohydrates in the body breaks these all down into sugars and the only use of sugar in that really is energy and we've got excess carbohydrates and the body is putting this on the waist in the bottom everywhere you don't want it to be because we're just overloaded with carbohydrates through the starchy guidelines ok. if the simple carbohydrates are exactly right complex carbohydrates like that symbols are a good thing but it's those simple carbohydrates that are very troublesome.

actually. when you have troops because one of the problems with starchy carbs are using is that you know you're actually have more calories you're off topic i'm not promoting star c. i'm not saying stuff i'm not promoting starting all right i want to i want to go to robert before we go to the break go ahead robert you said we're off topic go ahead . so we also we're talking about a fat tax we all want people to be well and to live their best life that's what i do every day and it sounds like both of these people are are advocating the same thing but the reality is we do not want to tax people for food again terminating what makes a healthy and i'm healthy that's the person i want to know and as a clinical justice i can't wait to have that one on one conversation all right we're going to now you're a wish near where you go to a short break now can i say we'll continue our discussion following this time tax day with a hearty. welcome

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because sometimes you look up to remind you we're discussing fatty food taxation. ok me me and i go back to you in new york well when it when the facts is mentioned a lot of people claim that it aids disappear disproportionately hurts the poor because they have fewer choices they have less time to work their hourly workers and in many cases i mean i was brought up in america there's not a great deal of not maybe better now but when i was growing up knowledge about nutrition is very very little if you're

a working class family and you don't have much and i'm earning well you don't have good health conditions i mean you fall into this trap of not eating healthy food because number one it's relatively cheap. but you know it's expensive being sickly for decades you know it's expensive having diabetes to type two diabetes for decades that's what's really expensive eating broccoli black beans maybe some brown rice not expensive drinking water instead of sweetened drinks not expensive it's a myth that it is so expensive to eat reasonably it what is costing us in suffering and money is that we are bringing health this health crisis onto ourselves a full three quarters of our seven hundred fifty billion dollar health bill is due to our lifestyle choices and we know as we've seen with higher taxes on tobacco and in denmark they've already been taxing candy and they've eliminated or minimize trans fat they have had a positive response we know in the us as we've elevated the taxes on tobacco the

higher the taxes go the consumption goes down so there is nothing wrong with taxing soda there's nothing wrong with taxing the necessary ubiquitous products that when consumed do not promote health we're not talking about food we're talking about junk food really if you would be robber what about that because i mean you get one go ahead because i mean again all stressed the point here is that you know disproportionately poor people don't have access to high quality food and it's just a fact it's a fact of life ok and there's a lot of lack of knowledge to even if you want to eat well you might not be able to afford it exactly you just hit the nail on the here the key here is that you want to meet people were the are and this is where mimi is told the missing the bull and that's because she is coming from a diet mentality i agree that broccoli is ideal i recommend it all the time but the same time i have clients who you know they are concentrating on the fact that their

food is subsidized therefore when they go to their food bank they want to learn how to eat the foods they have access to and i've been able to show them how. actually do that and get upgrades with their overall health and as a result of the knowledge and feeling better about where they are then they're in a better position to get a better job to have more money so it's education that i want to promote and not so much taxing people for lack of education. that's what we do in the i think we are you. sure you should let philip go ahead. you know it's all about education and you know you need freedom of choice in order to be able to educate anybody about anything even and this gets rid of freedom of choice but. there was no really i don't know who doesn't know that water is healthy for you if you want to do you. know safely in the toilet but. that's not where

i you we hate us we don't need to be awash in saturated fat almost everyone in the night is america ingested way too much saturated fat may not be true in every notion but in the most developed nations there is. saturated fat when you go west in price has a specific agenda to promote animal fat we all know that so i think that you come with a bias to say that animal fat is you know something that everyone in the first place i want to talk to both say that we think i'm better every day. well let's take it let's just take one of your points about controlling sexual abuse well the sex hormones are produced from cholesterol we've got to know you. but your actions around you know i know you say sex hormones are produced from cholesterol and we infertility is just off the charts right now. and these cholesterol. and animal fats they're exactly what children need to grow healthy and strong

they're what the elderly need the brain is more than sixty percent. restricting the elderly and we're not here for you know having. ok but anyway these schools and was . not getting this nutrient dense foods which they used to eat and we're telling them not to eat ok. well i mean i love his passion but the focus here is on us should we or do we advocate you know people being taxed based on the foods that they eat and i say no and i say that because education is key meet people where they are and then as a result of that learning curve they'll be in a position where they can make the choices that are going to work best for them that's what it comes down to i mean we have the right area in the other and i can say these guys are all ok i mean if i can go to you i mean you want to make it let's make them where they are ok i want i think we would all agree let's see what he says was ok i think we would all agree that obesity is an epidemic ok in the

intro i mean i know where they are and guess what i mean you don't know why they will say well he doesn't realize all right i need to tell you sent me so your point is my point is when we hear a word like epidemic that's a national international emergency now are we doing things to meet that emergency because for goodness sake i mean if you walk. across the united states and i don't see if you see so much here in russia you know i see younger people getting bigger and bigger because of the imported western diet so i mean what are these what is the agenda because if this is turning into such a health disaster which it is as we it's been pointed out on this program what has to be done without the government always being taking the lead i mean we do it through schools family religion what me first. all of the above and you know what we need to stop concentrating on the people who are already overweight and obese we need to consecrate and concentrate on the zero preparedness see to age five group

it is about obesity prevention we need to do everything we can to stop mentioning a new fact kid every single day every child bit in the last few years who has become obese that's on our watch we've all known better for many years now just how dangerous transplants are high sugar consumption sweetened drinks and yet every day more and more children become obese it's about preprinted age five we need to take all of our funds all of our energy and concentrate on that segment if we want to reverse obesity rather what do you know that america has been doing. good for america has been doing this since nine hundred seventy five promoting the. high carbohydrate diet and they've been pushing it precisely each group i don't know what i say. people are getting more peace. here about taxes to enforce what they're already trying to push and that's going to make more of the science ok robert what do you think about the philip philip philip in the

united states you are generalizing so that's not what we're advocating and pushing so maybe you have to go to the u.s. government is emerging what i mean all of us. are i'm talking about. ok so in the size of the current united states are now following the guidelines of a of the government the reality is we need a methodology and the methodology that is going to work begins with education it keeps coming back to that i believe that everybody needs love and thereby needs help and so i'm going to say let's focus on zero to five i'm all about let's focus on the individuals who are the ones who are the leaders and when you work with the leaders like the parents and the parents to make it work for them then kids always do what they see their parents do not so much what their parents tell them soul is not about going to the schools it's not enough it's about meeting people and look and when i say meet people where they are then that is i mean

a person where they are that it takes compassion mimi to be able to do that which what i'm getting from you you're definitely lacking and i don't mean it to be insulting but you're truly missing their whole point people who they are is caring and that's why. you need help that you have you know the name. who has me in me who has me me helped to reduce their waistline i want to hear how mimi has been able to make a big impact on helping people that's what i want to hear ok she immediately answered this is turning into your program so go right ahead. yes here is the solution i certainly i certainly have testified on behalf of calorie. listings on many boards of people have more information i testified on behalf of the soda tax i've changed school food i've been involved with getting the. supply in america i get countless e-mails and phone calls every day from the people that i've helped i do not put people on diets i've never advocated anyone going on

a diet diet simply means the kind of food we eat we all have a diet we all eat something but going on a diet i have never advocated nor have i ever done and so i'm not you know i don't need my and in this whole show to be about me while i appreciate the attention my belief is about reversing the obesity trend and if you really want to reverse the obesity trend we see that ninety percent of those who gain weight and lose it gained it back so the idea is to prevent every convention means pre-trained see to age five ok if you're going to reason why you. know because you know the low fat diet does not provide the body the nutrients requires the first it will fit him and all these essential fats are really necessary to the body you know you joke like i said sixty percent of the brain is fact the lungs are very fatty organ. this is exactly what the body needs to develop and be healthy ok robert what do you know we're almost out of time you get three found

a natural faster and grass fed animals i'm not talking about that john what people are eating fast food ok robert i wonder is it here is usually the war against obesity ok because there seems to be so many different approaches of how to do with it. yeah that was part of the problem all of the different approaches and as you got to hear me doesn't really have an answer she's arguing about things that you know i'm sure there's some good that comes out of it but we want to method we want to show people how to make the world with. the latter requires a new way the theory is that it was a big deal and i know people i know people me me me me here here. there are people who are actually listening and who will watch this program and you're insulting them you don't realize and that's why i'm hoping that you can realize let's not insult because it is an example that the end of the day has i mean a large shall we have all this everyone on earth is not the place you sundry used

to paying your people. this is going higher seems like a case of the conversation we've run out of time i do people a fascinating discussion i didn't expect this with this topic many thanks to my guest today in manchester los angeles and in new york and thanks for viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember. for . the. piece which

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