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assaults i am have heard police forces across the country have already heard that they are willing to do whatever it takes to curb the occupy wall street protests even if it means spraying peaceful protesters i'm point blank range but that certainly wasn't what pepper spray was originally intended for i know why its inventor is disappointed in the u.s. response. and occupy los angeles protesters are getting a firsthand look at that police crackdown for many victims notice to an overnight
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raid police officers in california shut down the movement in the cover of darkness while also limiting media access. oh. and as police in the u.s. try to curb the social unrest labor unions in the u.k. are rising up in what is arguably the largest strike in decades and millions come out all in a battle over public sector pension so is it time for american protesters take a page out of the u.k. is dying to social progress we'll compare. it's wednesday november thirtieth seven pm in washington d.c. i'm liz wahl and you're watching artsy. well over the past couple of months we've seen shocking video of police brutality directed at peaceful protesters from firing pepper sprayed a beating protested protesters with the songs to launching rubber bullets we're
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seeing image after image of police violently cracking down on demonstrators and then there's the overwhelming police presence warmth of officers decked out in riot gear have surrounded occupy wall street site and beyond local police homeland security has gotten involved in many cases and that these images questions arise over the role of police officers today are we seeing a military is a nation of the police force are the correspondent on the stasi a churkin a takes a look at how police tactics against protesters have grown more fierce over the recent months. america's fight to promote democracy abroad looks like this. images like this get applauded but a similar uprising with the new west turns into a crackdown on that same gem of pride if you will. is the us now in new york on its
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own territory against its own people for basically our entire history i'm a good imperialist states i think it's only a matter of time before entry alyson a bride starts acting individual liberties at home the methods being used to and civil disobedience in the us have been increasingly women making sure we were told there is a lot of casualties so you could say it's a war zone peaceful students pepper sprayed while seated. demonstrating americans beaten until they believe what you're hearing from the new war veterans injured into unconsciousness our police forces have been militarized they are working more in cooperation with the pentagon their well. being given military surplus the quitman that has been kind of designed for use in war and this is something that leads to treating the public as you would treat an enemy thirty seven year old boy or and artist i mean the scene recalls his own arrest as if they're hugging me so i
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don't make a mold just put your hands behind your back and. the six people jumped on me try to wrestle me to the ground they wrestled with the ground and they just kept meeting me in the back. for about five minutes i mean says the only political right not cracked down on in the u.s. is the right to vote on election day everything else is seen as a threat the united states has created a space for people to shop for people to buy you know you know buy cards go on picnics do things like that but the moment that they're politicized in any way that's probably hundreds of arrests throughout months of occupy wall street demonstrations have shown the world an image of america not seen for a long time an image of kuwaitis have tried their best to hide by demanding special credentialing for journalists covering demonstrations and evictions i have d.c.b. press passes. as well as threatening to take media passes away.
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the only thing we're seeing this pattern and it's very disturbing and a lot of reporters are seeing it because they're getting thrown out of the action and being arrested and this is something which is outrageous and so. at least presents and aggression overwhelming but nonviolent protests since the patriot act was passed they used instances of violence to revoke liberties some of those have been part of the protests since day one see officials turn the movement into a civil war like a good show police force and a court date a chance to make national with that homeland security shows that this is coming from a federal not go even with the use of militarized tactics on the rise those fighting for change are not planning to give up on their battle the police overreaction in the political reaction only emboldens us only strengthens our resolve and many are saying well we'll fight is yet to come and the actions of a dying regime become more aggressive and crazier and we're just going to see more
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of that two thousand and twelve will be the year of american revolution the aggressive vigor with which america's biggest protest in years have been met has been the latest example. the fact that what you want preachers is not necessarily what it practices only hearing the outreach of it's citizens who want the system to change. and throughout these protests it seems police have not hesitated to use pepper spray to subdue protesters one of the most infamous uses up of weapon was during the police crackdown on protesters in california at u.c. davis. was. was. so are police going too far in their use of pepper spray are they going beyond what the product was intended for and what would the person that created pepper spray have to say about the recent use of it by police well we have him in
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our studio right now to tell us cameron goldman is the inventor of modern pepper spray cameron thanks for coming on the show today i just want to get your reaction to how your invention is being used by law enforcement today well his intention was to subdue and take control of individuals who were combatant or threat to others police officers or bystanders or were going to damage properties it was not really designed to attack or subdue people who were peaceful and you know we're we'll show you an example of how it is being used will play this video for you it's a police using pepper spray on demonstrators at the occupy wall street protests in new york. i mean. the the.
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now come and what is going through your mind when you see images like that. but i mean the first thing i see is absolute lack of leadership and control because there are a lot of intelligent police officers and police leadership and i don't know where they are because i've built with them for years and i think they're put their minds together they can do better job the situation does not warrant the use of pepper spray or chemical agents ok for your sake your intent biondi and bad star for the invention of lies or combatant situation we've seen in congress for use over and over again throughout the occupy wall street movement i mean in any case do you see that if you have been justified i mean right now is all over the place i know you know it's obviously it's not being justified in many situations i'm sure they're isolated situation where you know crime is going on and it's justified for the last twenty years pepper spray has been a great tool for receiving lines of people let's have somebody under the eaves of
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some narcotics or alcohol and you know the police officers want to take him out of the car they want to take him to jail a frame could quickly because the person is very combative he's being physically aggressive or did being dangerous and pepper spray and a kind of situation has been helpful even in there were situations good people were going to commit suicide and pepper spray stopped him from doing that but the situation we see today is unlike anything i've seen the last two decades and progress has never been used like ward white did their use of it is just not according to any use of force policy by any police department now as the inventor of pepper spray can you explain to us how did that leo works and how people physiologically response to it what is designed to what it does is designed to cause inflammation of the. it's good news anywhere that is moist in your body let's start with the ice the first thing that happens you feel intense burning sensation in the eyes and eileen's in flame you don't really see it in flame but it inflames
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and shot so you can really open your eyes is not a cure you really can open your eyes so there's a difference between cure guys and papers or your gas. purse where you close your eyes the other thing is that you will have difficulty in breathing you start coughing seaview really and the last one is that in terms of burning sensation of the skin and all these three combine people basically give out so i mean it sounds like it does inflict a certain amount of pain on whoever it's being used to fix a lot of things and turns a lot of ok well i want to play this clip for you one fox news host gave her analysis of what happened spray is and how it works. such a low pepper spray that just burned dries right i mean it's like a derivative of actual pepper it's a food product essentially. so you would know more than anybody else i mean is there a spray essentially a food product but i mean is partially correct it starts with chili pepper or capsicum pepper but by the time you go for it goes through too many mutations and
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development and formalization and it becomes so fortifying and magnified chemicals and i'll call john waters and propellants and gases that the end product i mean is nothing to do with food product is like pharmaceuticals and the end product aspirin comes from bark of a tree but necessarily you're not even going to be treating aspirin and that's the difference so at this point it's so far removed from the actual product yes let's say the grandfather father was a. brother it is no longer it's no longer no longer a product that you can put on your pizza and. so you know you're seeing how your invention is being used today do you regret inventing copper spray not at all because i think for the last twenty years there's a mention saves a lot of lies i think in the future it will saves a lot of lives i just repeat i think i have trained more than four thousand police officers in this country and certify them and use
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a purpose for i think there are some police officers that are losing control i think that the leadership there is not doing things according to use of force training manual that i have seen and i have trained every municipality corrections department i've seen out there i mean just now is not on the books to do it in something out of the books so what needs to be done in order to get past first. to get back to its intended use. well i think we need to do is for that's one of the reason our view is to send a message out there that you need to go back to the use of force policy. you know sort of the people in the street are concerned i think we need wisdom and leadership that's what we need i mean we're losing intelligence you great thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this that was the and that's are of pepper spray can carry little movement. and pepper spray isn't the only weapons police have up their sleeve i spoke to alter net reporter run your
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colleague about some of the equipment police officers are armed with these days take a look at the department of homeland security in some cases we've see and have gotten involved so we're seeing the feds become involved and these crackdowns so i want to show you some of the machinery of local law enforcement are equal if you quit with the you gave take a look here gas we see that used in the middle east and tahrir square that works by inflicting pain and literally making us here rob blindness occurs in some cases and next is what's known as the pay their own steroids the albuquerque police department now have this and their arsenal and one police can't get close enough to their targets to taze them they can shoot tasers out of one of these bad boys and take a look at this vehicle it looks like something you would see roaming in the streets of a war zone maybe in afghanistan but this is owned and operated by the temple police
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department so ron you can you talk about the difference between military and civilian law enforcement and what should separate the two and is that is the line becoming hazy or. well i would say by saying that military and the military is there to you know we train them to fight our foreign wars we are their g.p.l. the enemy rates to be that i meet police officers of the families others are supposed to uphold the peace and of the constitution while doing so so i think it's important to note though that what the military has been doing with the u.s. military been doing it in the world for a very long time now is very anti-democratic we've done our military out to occupy for for various reasons and they're often suppressing that expressing democracy if only you know it makes sense that eventually that it's come home and now we see that the civilians leave or is doing the same with our uprisings over here you can have democracy at home and imperialism abroad i think such numbers don but it was
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hard where you see that just the factor as well as the hardware is the military is starting to be mirrored in civilian law and civilian police forces and so you know looking at the bigger picture what does this have to say about what's happening in america are our some of our fundamental rights in danger of freedom of speech freedom of assembly for example well yeah absolutely but again it depends i mean over over the weekend when it was black friday you saw the tents being put up right there people waiting to go shopping and there was a riot in certain stores and wal-mart across the country didn't police there to suppress the riots right but at occupy protests it's very different to there's a clear political message and it's large enough that if people in power kill friends so again it depends book kind of speech you're talking about if it's that nobody cares about it doesn't really matter that it's fine but if you are if you know it if you're practicing your first number right but you're part of
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a movement but like occupy wall street you know want more equality and one more fairness and powerful people feel threatened then the police are going to be used to suppress you. and that was all turned out reporter wrong at home. and more police crackdown this time and los angeles early this morning police the victim occupy l.a. protesters heavily armed officers tore down tents and arrested at least two hundred demonstrators and we're hearing there was an effort to ban the press from reporting on it argues ramon go window with among those pushed out by the cops he gives us a close up look at the chaotic scene. we will be was. the thing. we still have several people sitting down in the middle of the city hall park here in los angeles occupy l.a. still showing either side area i watch street movement now we've come to
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a cross or a crossroads excuse me where it seems like the camera will find me shut down now in the background we see that there are police in riot gear tearing down some of the tents we see several other officers also in right here some of them holding batons some of them holding plastic ties greater take people into custody some of them do have other non-lethal weapons which they say they are ready to use on rotator protesters excuse me here they remain peaceful no one has risen and so far earlier there were some scuffles but the situation is that there has been a hundred order for to score so they have also warned the media that if we do remain here while they are in force in their operation we are also subject to arrest now a very select few media have gone from mission to jail now we've been assured from the police that everything will remain constitutional and from their part on
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violence now we shall see in the morning whether that happens or the time be you have been ordered to leave within the next few lives or else we are also subject to arrest. was. really our movement we don't need to be pushed like they are tearing down some new comments up there some of the riot police in a hazmat suit they're tearing down a. tree house that was left there on the other side we're seeing tents being torn down and still definitely all huge presence if you just swing by over here real quick there's a temple shot down. there are several police officers as you can see tearing down tents tearing down makeshift structures kind of putting everything into piles what was once are. is
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now being torn apart by officers which are in protective suits in case they run into some sort of chemical agents or anything like that now all the demonstrators that we saw were peaceful yet we saw huge response we have access to. see right now a major cleanup. and once the sun like comes up we will see that entire city hall will be barricaded in order. so that the demonstrators in support of occupy wall street the people who have made this will not reach. just one last look after nearly two months of occupying los angeles city occupy l.a. and it has been shut down and what we're seeing here is a complete tear down of the encampment we shall see tomorrow and in the coming weeks where the heads for now we're reporting here in los angeles.
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that we're going to take a sharp break but you're not going to want to miss this next story striking for a cause labor union employees in the u.k. take to the streets so why can't america and labor unions are rally the same number as we'll discuss the issue and i'm going. with the law and. the point is when people are suggesting she's called her you know she says she's a star. there's
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the police corruption is. what a protester nobody seems to know. but never a pepper spray to the face but more of the argument that they're being overly dramatic. you know sometimes you see
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a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else here so you saw the part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry for the big picture. protests escalate in the u.k. millions taking part today in a strike they're protesting slashes the public sector pensions over thirty labor unions from public health the tax collection have joined the movement much of the country now at a fanfare left thousands of schools shut down employees at the airport walkout are the correspondent laura smith is on the ground and london. it started with twenty thousand people out on the streets of london process to get caught in the public sector pensions and it ended like this a small group of processes from the ok by the london stock exchange treatment have
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reportedly poky pike this building behind me it seems that the reason they've got to fight is because one of the finest paid c.e.o.'s in the country what numbers of police have turned out to protect the building and we headed there trying to get the occupy processes ouse as we speak now we've seen huge rally in london state twenty thousand people turned out to protest against cuts in public sector pensions that's two million public sector workers have been on strike today that's the biggest strike to be seen in the paper round about thirty years it has had a massive impact i reports leave nothing out of ten schools in london what closed today a half of all schools across the country that meant that millions of parents take time off work that's urgent troubling the apple pie with forty can show that they're still going on strike that's meant cues that immigration i know there are reports of late she would like hospitals have been accepting emergency patients
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only and a huge range of people have been out of strike teachers nurses doctors groups of doctors who've never been down from strike before now we've seen more than thirty union support six day strike action which is a process to gates having to pay more into their pensions working longer and receiving less money at the end of their working life what they're hoping is that the government was this up and take notice and go back to the table with the times we negotiate this deal with the chancellor george osborne has already said that the strikes were going to cheat and if they david cameron's backs him up saying that they were down with it they have no impact then the people who've been striking statement said that they will strike again and they will strike a longer there's also been talk of the government saying constantly that it's got no money supply and shouldn't but at. same time funding bailouts will countries in the year a day which both britain isn't a part only i speak to alex kenny from the national union of teachers here he said about that certainly people we didn't play for the crisis we didn't pay for the
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banking crisis and they bailed out the banks and now working people. so it's a place that they won't accept. we have an unprecedented thirty three unions taking action many of whom have never taken strike and we will see today just how strongly people feel about the government leave me off to the strike except. tell me how many but basically i guess this is destructive it's not the can i take i don't see you looking like it will be me strikes that was our own laura smith with the latest from london. and as we just saw the government and the u.k. wants workers to pay more for their pensions and retire later unions are saying no way now union certainly faced similar challenges here in the u.s. but we have yet to see anything close to the backlash we're seeing abroad why not labor journalist michaela with here a little earlier to talk more about this looking across the pond to the u.k.
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ask him why can't americans come together for a collective day of strikes here's what i have to say. whining the big issue that you look at here is that you know the response of american labor leaders to even concessions that they're asking like that is not going to strike it's good to give in and except shared sacrifice so i think the biggest problem is that we've gotten to this kind of stockholm syndrome where lever leaders are afraid to take on the characters a lot of the bit bosses employers public superficial and so i think that's the first problem the second problem is obviously the laws are different in britain but they have the right to strike american labor laws are free to britain doesn't have that much higher union rate than america does. some years that unions here are more restricted to and their right their right to express but even if they were not i mean as with a strike without that they're wildcat illegal strikes all the time in american history the issue is that there's simply an issue of courage and the willing to do
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it i maybe talk a little bit more about why this is the case but it contributing to that in my to the power of the u.s. i know that you've written about the federal government playing a role in that yeah i mean i think it's basically three factors that have contributed to the demise of organized labor in this country one is union busting work you know companies can fire workers who leave without any serious penalty from the government too is outsourcing it's very easy to threaten workers in the private sector the big jobs new overseas and three is the incompetency of labor leaders. we have labor movement it's supposed to represent the ninety nine percent but its leaders to up in the wake the one percent owning fee you know salaries of six figures that are it seen an outrageous making decisions without any consultation the ninety nine percent of the members that represent so that's currently the crisis we have organized labor i think is a big one of crisis because if you look at the worker straight here the public employees nobody's threatening to move public employees jobs overseas public employees don't suffer the same type of unit busting it's that the public employees
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reduce in great britain are much more willing to take dramatic actions like strikes and. we are seeing the difference between in the u.k. and the u.s. do you think it's possible for america to rebuild its labor movement and if so how can they do that i mean certainly throughout american history you know the labor movement has been in a similar low levels in the one nine hundred twenty s. it was crap staff there were one they can do it but it really requires in my opinion a revival of unions that you know to really do a revival of organized labor we first have to kick out many of the incompetent labor leaders leading this movement. and in order to do that i mean we really have to get right in south america see so i think now we're at a moment where i think if labor can learn the lessons of occupy wall street which is to have democratic ownership of the institutions then i think we can really have a revival and i mean unions have supported publicly supported occupy wall street some of them have even come out in protest as with them but still we're not going
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anywhere near the the impact that we're seeing in the u.k. yeah i mean if you look at what's happened a lot of unions like sci you have seen occupy wall street they've supported it and name its leaders got arrested what they mean really seeing it as a social movement that they can use leverage to make a deal behind the scenes i mean look at what sci president make it henry did she got a wrecked it arrested on the brooklyn bridge couple weeks ago and then she went around and she endorsed president barack obama saying that he was going to fight against the elite one percent on behalf of the ninety nine percent i mean they're still stuck in this corrupt mode of backroom deal making with other leaks but i mean do you think that if they are it's a kind of use that energy from the occupy wall street movement that this could also be part of the labor movement yes i think in order to save that labor to rebuild it we have to completely we were there democratically controlled institution which it is not right now all right michael thank you so much for your thoughts on all of this that.

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