assault and tapper and police forces across the country have already proven that they're willing to do whatever it takes to curb the occupy wall street protests even if it means spraying peaceful protesters out point blank range but that certainly wasn't what pepper spray was originally intended for by now why its inventor is disappointed in how the u.s. leaves forces using his product. under. attack. and pepper spray is just the tip of the iceberg these days american police officers look more like members of the military than peacekeepers occupy los

angeles protesters are getting a firsthand look at this transition and having their rights trampled on by those paid to protect and serve. and as police in the u.s. try to curb the social on grass labor unions in the u.k. are rising up in what is arguably the largest strike in decades knowing and come out all of the battle over public service sector pensions so is it time for american protesters take a page out of the u.k.'s diets of social arkwright's we'll compare. its blend say november thirtieth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm liz wall here watching our team. well over the past couple of months we've seen shocking video of police brutality directed at peaceful protesters from fire and

pepper spray to beating protesters with the tongs to launching rubber bullets we're seeing image after image of violent police cracking down on demonstrators and then there's the overwhelming police presence warms of officers decked out in riot gear have surrounded occupy wall street sites and beyond the local police homeland security have gotten involved in many cases and of these images questions arise over the role of police officers today are we seeing a militarization of the police force are the correspondent on a stuffy a churkin a takes a look at how police tactics used against protesters have grown more fierce over the recent months. america's fight to promote democracy abroad looks like this. images like this get applauded but a similar uprising with a new must turns into a crackdown on that scene gemma crowd if you will. is the u.s. now in a war on its own territory against its own people or basically our entire history

and we've been in interior states i think you call me a matter of time before and purely as a bride starts acting and each woman pretty is that how the methods being used and civil disobedience in the u.s. have been increasingly reminiscent of newark there is a lot of casualties so you could say it's a war zone school students pepper sprayed while seated. demonstrating americans beaten into we believe what you're trying to do your better and injured into one consciousness our police forces have been militarized they are working more in cooperation with the pentagon they're well i. mean given military surplus the quitman has been kind of designed for use in war and this is something that leads to treating the public as you would treat an enemy thirty seven year old boy and artist i mean nothing recalls his own arrest as if they're hoping that they'll make

a move. just put your hands behind your back and. six people jumped on me tried to wrestle me to the ground they wrestled with to the ground and they just kept running me in the back. for about five minutes i mean says the only political right not cracked down on in the u.s. is the right to vote on election day everything else is seen as a throughout the united states has created a space for people to shop for people to buy you know you know buy cards go on picnics do things like that but the moment that they are politicized in any way that's probably hundreds of arrests through. months of occupy wall street demonstrations have shown the world an image of america not seen for a long time an image of what he said tried their best to hide by demanding special credentialing for journalists covering demonstrations and evictions d.c.b. processions. as well as threatening to take me a passes away. because we're seeing this turn and it's very disturbing

and a lot of reporters are seeing it because they are getting thrown out of the action and being arrested this is something which is outrageous and. who is presence and aggression overwhelming nonviolent protests since the patriot act was passed they used instances of violence to revoke liberties some of those have been part of the protests since day one the officials turned the movement into a civil war not a good thing but the show we force them a court date at a time straight national where that our homeland security shows that this is coming from a federal level even with the use of neutralize tactics on the rise those fighting for change are not planning to give up on their battle the police overreaction in the political reaction only emboldens us only strengthens our resolve and many are saying well we'll fight this. in the actions of a dying regime become more aggressive and crazier and we're just going to see more

of that two thousand and twelve will be the year of american revolution the aggressive vigor with which america's biggest protests in years have been met has been the latest example of the fact that what the u.s. preaches is not necessarily what it practices only heating the outrage of its citizens who want this it's time to change. r.t. . and throughout these protests the things police have not hesitated to use pepper spray to subdue protesters one of the most and the misuse of the weapon was during the police crackdown on protesters and california at u.c. davis. so are police going too far and their use of copper spragg are they going beyond what the product was intended for what would the person that created packer spray have to say about the recent use of it by police well we had him in our studio in

d.c. a little earlier today cameron logue man the inventor of modern pepper spray i wanted to get his reaction on how his invention is being used by law enforcement today take a listen well as the intention was to subdue and take control of individuals who are combatant who or threats to others police officers or bystanders or they're going to damage properties it was not really designed to attack or subdue or shock people who are peaceful and you know the world will show you an example of how it is being used to play this video for you it's a police using tacker spray on demonstrators at the occupy wall street protests in new york. now come on what is going through your mind when you see images like that but i

mean the first thing i see is absolute lack of leadership and control because there are a lot of intelligent police officers and police leadership and i don't know where they are because i've dealt with them for years and i think if they're put their minds together they can do a better job in this situation does not warrant the use of pepper spray or chemical agents ok so you're saying your intent beyond being an hour before the invention was part combat situations we've seen pepper spray used over and over again throughout the occupy wall street movement i mean any case do you see that its use has been justified well i mean right now it's all over the place i mean you know it's obviously it's not being justified in many situations i'm sure there are isolated situation where you know crime is going on and it's justified for the last twenty years. has been a great tool for a saving lives of people let's have somebody on their lives or some narcotics or alcohol and you know police i was at once or taking one of the car they want to

take him to jail they spray in quickly because a person is very combative is being physically aggressive being dangerous and pepper spray and a kind of situation has been helpful even in their situation good people who are going to commit suicide and pepper spray stop them from doing it. but the situation we see today is unlike anything i've seen the last two decades and purpose has never been used like that ward wide. use of it is just is not according to any use of force policy when you go to support now as the inventor of papper spray can you explain to us out exactly a works on how people physiologically response to what is designed to what it does is designed to cause inflammation of the. membranes that means anywhere that is moist in your body let's start with the eyes the first thing that happens you feel intense burning sensation in the eyes and the islands in flame you don't really see included in flames and shot so you can really open your eyes it's not like you kira you really can't open your eyes so there's

a difference between pure guys and your gas. person or you close your eyes the other thing is that you will have difficulty in breathing you start coughing see beauty and then the last one is that intense burning sensation of the skin and all this to combine people because it would give up so i mean it sounds like it does inflict a certain amount of pain on whoever it's being used to fix a lot of things and then someone ok well i want to play this clip from one fox news host gave her analysis pack respray is and how it works. such a pepper spray that just burns your eyes right i mean it's like a derivative of actual pepper it's a food product essentially. so you would know more more than anybody else i mean a first pray essentially a food product but i mean is partially correct it starts to be cheaper for a capsicum purpose but by the time you go from really it goes to too many mutations

and development and formulas and it becomes so fortifying and magnified with chemicals and alcoholism waters and propellant and gases that the end product i mean is nothing to do with food product is like pharmaceuticals and. spring comes from bark of a tree but necessarily you know eating bark of a tree or eating ice cream that's the difference so at this point it's so far removed from the actual product it's let's say the ground father was a grouper but the end product is no longer it's no longer no longer a flea problem that you can put on your boots i mean. so you know you're seeing how your invention is being used today do you regret inventing copper spray not at all because i think for the last twenty years there's a mention saves a lot of lies i think in the future if you will save the lives i just repeat i think we're trying more than four thousand police officers in this country and so if we're going to use of restraint i think there are some police officers that are losing control i think that the leadership there is not doing things according to

use of force training manual that i have seen and i have trained every statement is the corrections department i've seen out there i mean just now is not on the books that something's out of the books so what needs to be done in order to get. to get back to its intended use. well i think we need to do so that's one of the reason i'm you're used to send a message out there that you need to go back to the use of force policy and i think that's sort of the people who are in the street are concerned i think we need wisdom and leadership that's what we need i mean we're losing intelligence here great thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this that was the inventor of pepper spray cap campbell. and more police crackdown this time and los angeles early this morning police event that occupy l.a. protesters have the armed officers tore down tents and arrested at least two

hundred demonstrators and we're hearing there was an effort to ban the press from reporting on it are these ramalinga linda was among those pushed out by cops he gives us an up close look at a chaotic scene. q . you know we still have several people sitting down in the middle of the city hall park here in los angeles occupy l.a. still showing solidarity with the i was free now we've come to a cross or a crossroads excuse me where it seems like the camera will be shut down now in the background we see that there are police and riot gear tearing down some of the tents we see several other officers also in right here some of them holding buttons some of them holding plastic ties greater take people into custody some of them do

have other non-lethal weapons which they say they are ready to use on rotator protesters excuse me here they remain peaceful no one has risen arms so far earlier there were some scuffles but the situation is that there has been an order for discourse so they have also warned the media that if we do remain here while they are in force in their operation we are also subject to arrest now a very select few media have gone from mission to fail now we've been assured from the police that everything will remain constitutional and from their part on violence now we shall see in the morning whether that happens to be you have been ordered to leave within the next few lives or else we are also subject to arrest. was. really our movement really to be pushed by the are tearing down some meet them and so there are some of the riot police in a hazmat suits there tearing down

a. tree house that was left there on the other side we're seeing tents being torn down and still definitely a huge presence if you just swing by over here real quick there's a temple shut down was. oh and. i am. there are several police officers as you can see tearing down tents tearing down makeshift structures kind of putting everything into piles what was once occupied i saw angeles is now being torn apart by officers which are in protective suits in case they run into some sort of chemical agents or anything like that now all the demonstrators today that we saw were peaceful yet we saw a huge response we have gotten access to aftermath you see right now a major cleanup going on and once the sun like comes up we will see that entire

city hall will be barricaded in order. so that the demonstrators in support of occupy wall street the people who have made this an encampment will not return now just one last look after nearly two months of occupying los angeles city hall occupy l.a. time it has been shut down and what we're seeing here is a complete tear down of the encampment we shall see tomorrow and in the coming weeks where the heads for now we're reporting here in los angeles. are cheap. and we're going to take a sharp break but you're not going to lock them in this next story striking for a high labor union employees in the u.k. take to the streets so why can't american labor unions rally in the same numbers will discuss the issue in a moment. you

know sometimes you see a story and it seems so easy to understand it and then you glimpse something else here's you some other part of it you realize that everything is are you going to charge the big. protests that's the late in the u.k. and millions taken part today in a strike they're protesting slashes the public sector pensions over thirty labor

unions from public how to tax collection have joined the movement much of the country now at a standstill as thousands of schools shut down and employees at the airport walk out are the correspondent laura smith is on the ground in london. it started with twenty thousand people out on the streets of london for us to get caught in the public sector pensions and it ended like this a small group of protesters from the ok by the london stock exchange movement have reported to be ok might this building behind me it's just seems that the reason they've got to fight is because one of the highest paid c.e.o.'s in the country what else numbers the police have turned out to protect the building and we hear that they're trying to get the occupy protesters out as we speak now we've seen a huge rally in london today twenty thousand people turned out to process to get cuts in public sector pensions that's two million public sector workers have been

on strike today that's the biggest strike that we've seen paid for around about thirty years it has had a massive impact reports leave nothing out of ten schools in london but closed today the heart of all schools across the country that meant that millions of parents had to take time off work that children trouble again well with or to control that they're still going on strike that's meant to use that immigration and also reports they see you like hospitals have been accepting emergency patients they need a huge range of people to pay now so the strike teachers nurses doctors groups of doctors who've never been down some strike before now we've seen more than thirty union support six day strike action which is a process to gates having to pay more into their pensions looking younger and receiving less money at the end of their working life what they're hoping is that the government was this up and take notice and go back to the table with his renegotiated still but the chancellor george osborne has already said that the

strikes going to cheat and is that david cameron's backs him up saying that they were down with if they have no impact then the people who've been striking say have said that they will strike again and they will strike the longer this also been told over the government saying constantly that it's got no money to fund pensions but at. same time funding bailouts will countries in the year a day which of course britain isn't a part only i speak to alex kenny from the national union of teachers he was he said about that certainly people are saying we didn't play for the crisis we didn't play for the banking crisis and they bailed out the banks and now working people. so it's a place and they won't accept it we have an unprecedented thirty three unions taking action many of whom have never taken so i think and we will see today just how strongly people feel about the government but of course to get me off to the strike big thing the impact of how many what they say place was this is destructive

it's not looking like they're going to take it to you looking like it will be mood strikes and that was our things on laura smith at the latest from london and as we just saw the government in the u.k. wants workers to pay more for their pensions and retire later unions are saying no way now union certainly faced similar challenges in the u.s. but we have yet to see anything close to the backlash we're seeing abroad why not labor journalist might help with here a little earlier to talk more about this looking across the pond for the u.k. i asked him why can't americans come together for a collective day of strikes here's what he had a sec. well i think the big issue that you look at here is that you know the response of american labor leaders to even concessions that they're asking like that is not going to strike it's good to give in and accept shared sacrifice so i think the biggest problem is that we've gotten this kind of stockholm syndrome really really does are free to take on their captors a lot of the bit boxes and poor's public officials and so i think that's the first

problem the second problem is obviously the laws are different in britain but they have the right to strike american labor laws restricting britain doesn't have that much higher union rate than america does. so yes the unions here are more restrictive and they're right they're right to strike us but even if they were not i mean there's was destroyed without that there wildcat eagle strikes all the time in american history the issue is that there's simply an issue of courage and they're willing to do it i maybe talk a little bit more about why this is the case but it's contributing to the demise of the power of unions in the us i know that you've written about the federal government playing a role in the us yeah i mean i think it's basically three factors that have contributed to the demise of organized labor in this country one is union busting were you know companies can fire workers illegally without any serious penalty from the government to is outsourcing it's very easy to threaten workers in the private

sector and the jobs go overseas and three is the incompetency believe it leaders. we have a woman that's supposed to represent the ninety nine percent but its leaders too often those like the one percent earning fifty you know salaries of six figures that are obscene are not really just making decisions without any consultation of the ninety nine percent of the members they represent so that's currently the crisis we have organized labor i think is a big one of crisis because if you look at the workers strike here the public employees nobody is threatening to move public employees jobs overseas public employees don't suffer the same time you know busting it's not a public employees leaders in great britain are much more willing to take dramatic actions like strikes and well. we are seeing the difference between the u.k. and the u.s. do you think it's possible for america to rebuild its labor movement and if so how can they do that i mean certainly throughout american history you know the labor movement has been similar lepers in the one thousand twenty s. it was crap staff there you know were one they can do it but it really requires in

my opinion a revival of unions that you know to really do a revival of organized labor we first have to kick out many of the incompetent labor leaders leading this movement. and in order to do that i mean we really have to get made in south america so i think now we're at a moment where i think if labor can learn the lessons of occupy wall street which is to have democratic ownership of the institutions then i think we can really have a revival and i mean unions have supported publicly supported occupy wall street some of them have even come out in protest the good done but still we're not seeing anywhere near the the impact that we're seeing in the u.k. yeah i mean if you look at what happened a lot of unions like sci you have seen occupy wall street they supported it and named its leaders got arrested but immediately seeing it as a social movement that they can use leverage to make a deal behind the scenes i mean look at what sci president make it henry did she got a wrecked it arrested on the brooklyn bridge a couple weeks ago and then she went around and seemed to us president barack obama

saying that he was going to fight against the elite one percent of that have been one hundred percent i mean they're still stuck in this corrupt motive backroom deal making with other leads so that i mean do you think that if they are it's a kind of use this energy from the occupy wall street movement that this could also be part of the labor movement yes i think in order to save the labor to rebuild it we have to completely rework a democratically controlled institution which it is not right now. all right mike thank you so much for your thoughts on all of this that was labor journalist mike allen. still ahead on our t.v. dreaming of democracy but waking up to a different post mubarak reality one where elections might not be as free and fair as everyone hopes for r.t. is on the ground with the latest on the egypt an election next. internet only with a little hesitant to do the work to bring just the sort of the. i have every

right to know what my government through you want to know why i didn't care. what i would characterize obama as a terrorist and. of american exceptionalism. only gyptian sees signs of democracy as they take part in their first free election but are dreams of democracy really becoming a reality egyptian still fighting for government control to shift from the military to the civilians meanwhile port workers there refused to accept a shipment of tear gas from the united states the country's interior ministry ordered it but workers are afraid it will be used against protesters in tahrir

square are the correspondent and he said now we is on the ground in egypt to bring us the latest. signs over the real democracy miles long lines at the polls vote stained fingers and a little joy of participating in egypt's future and nothing but do the signs stop it that. election excitement and dreams of democracy could be overshadowing of course reality there's little doubt egyptian enthusiasm for this poll is jane you win they're excited to be voting in a real action for real candidates but for a parliament that will have no power because that makes us part of a real transition than from the old regime the problem is you know what of that you're going to produce a parliament that cannot appoint ministers a counterpoint a government. whose constitution whatever it turns out to be is going to be guarded by the army some munder stamp this boycotted the polls like some you are in right

now the protests are that knows all too well old tactics are still rampant a virgin of the task was performed on her and other women protested don't talk to me or long after mubarak fell i told the woman told me to lie down for so she examined me and the men came in and i and then to examine main i was naked it was like a show of people watching all of those officers and soldiers some she was too upset to tell me the details of her ordeal but did say this about the book i guess about the moscone the main reason for holding the elections is for the military to hide the corruption crime i started voting a group of protesters marched to call for justice and show solidarity for each has victims. there were a few cameras and no egyptian press it remains the fact that both before during and after this election the ruler of egypt is an unelected man called field marshal.

and as long as he's an elected this is not a democracy but the west was quick to praise the election as a. right step towards cheney solution here you know they're going to be honest with . deep down. to keep the army to be sure if you give one point three billion dollars a year to the egyptian army which the americans do you were you expected to do what it was its leaves little room for the people to get what they want to egypt might be waking up for more of a nightmare of the sweet dream of democracy once the action settles at least you know way r.t. . well that does it for now for more on the stories we covered go to r.t. dot com slash usa and take it or you tube page is youtube dot com slash arts in america you can also follow me on twitter at liz wall coming up in a half hour is the big picture with tom hartman now that two of the largest remaining occupy wall street protests have been shut down time.