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that's. welcome to the beautiful about taxing people in the name of health as want to be aims of the so-called bad governments all over the world and throughout history have adopted policies to influence behavior in the name of public health should be

to subject of a syntax like alcohol and tobacco. cross-talk and so-called fat cats i'm joined by mimi roth in new york she is president of the national action against obesity in los angeles we have robert ferguson he is c.e.o. of diet free life and serves on the presidential task force on obesity for the national medical association and in manchester we cross to wrigley he is the london chapter leader of the weston a price foundation my focus is crossed i've been and you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it but first marcia tell us more about what is called the top tax well first i must say is quite ironic we want to police the countries in the world the first to implement the measure but irony aside let's figure out what this tax is all about the law which went into effect and mark in early october levies a surcharge on foods high in saturated fats all with good intent politicians claim

it will help to reduce cardiovascular disease away city and diabetes at the political level there was a high degree of consensus for this law that was wide agreement about trying to improve the average danish lives about trying to improve the health of the danish people. but outside of politics the measure is finding few allies first of all take years before empirical evidence can prove that attacks not only causes measurable changes and behavior but also translates into tangible health improvements at the same time studies have shown a positive correlation between income level and better diet quality which means that the five types will hit the poor first and foremost a daunting prospect for those already mired in the economic crisis critics of the approach also say there are more efficient alternatives such as taxing people who already are overweight a practice often deemed unethical and controversial and for that reason avoid it meanwhile countries like the us which has the highest obesity rating in the world has been trying to target diet habits and long children who want to give parents

information so they can make good decisions we want to improve the quality of food in our schools we want to make food more fordable inaccessible but if all else fails there's already talk that the u.s. along with other western countries can follow their marks example and who knows after all research has shown that taxing smoking for example does reduce its consumption then mark now expects to rake in some two hundred thirty three million dollars and for tax revenues and money it has promised to spend on health programs and maybe it's something to think about him in those absurd measures something to think about ok i'd like to first go to mimi in new york what's wrong with a flat tax because the daves on to something because you know i used to be a smoker i quit smoking for health reasons but if i lived in the united states i probably would have quit because it's just too damn expensive to buy cigarettes so you know we have governments all the time influencing behavior why not do it when it comes to obesity. i'm actually all for the tax the reality is did mark has

a ten percent obesity rate that's the perfect time to address obesity ninety percent of people who lose weight do not keep it off it is very hard to reverse obesity the only way to reverse that trend is to prevent it so it's the perfect timing for denmark to make big measures to reverse to reverse the trend and get in front of any escalating obesity numbers and i'll tell you what any survey around the world the best looking people always come up to be they must be doing something right robert what do you think about that i mean if they're taxing the best way of controlling obesity because we have many they're saying we should get out there in the front of the game here before it happens i mean there's so many countries especially in the industrialized west where we're behind the ball here i mean what's the best way of controlling it in for a lot of people saying that taxes are do it in it maybe because like i said it would alcohol and tobacco it seems to change people's behavior well here here's the deal and this is you know some coming from someone who's in the trenches you do not

want to have a fat tax and this is why number one in order it's tax some of the you must identify what makes their product or food unhealthy so my big question around the globe is who are the people responsible for tell me what is actually help the and what is not healthy that's number one so once we can figure that out and i can't wait to meet these people who are actually categorizing the food as unhealthy their loss taught from there and we also know that when you actually are it is a new problem it is in food by the way that's a very interesting point and philip playing we've got to go to philip here and you can get everyone here on the panel phil you know it's interesting thing is that we need experts to tell us what's healthy what's not healthy i mean i think even just we all know if we go to mcdonald's every single day that's not going to be healthy for you ok i mean that's common knowledge that you tonight a lot of history. well what we really want is your first meal go ahead philip. we

believe the government's made the mistake of uniting traditional nutrient dense foods and fats from grass fed animals mcdonald's doesn't provide that you know these are firm factory farm animals which have a completely different nutrient. provision. instead the government has replaced natural fats and traditional fruits with excess carbohydrates toxic monitoring and vegetable oils and we actually believe that these are what are causing obesity and disease star a fact tax will actually cause more obesity we believe what me what you know if you imagine actually just just that there's a british government try to nine hundred eighty three promoted a carbohydrate restricted diet turn courage weight loss and they suddenly turned it around when they adopted the low fat agenda ok robert what do you think about that you were tackling there you agree or disagree with that. why i gree with the theory of the trans fats in interest or i interpret interest or five fats are unhealthy is

something that we all benefit to avoid but at the same time it blows my mind that people look at fast food me on a matter we condemn it here's the reality i've had clients eat big mags ether layer fish is fries then go from your far left to right as far as fast food fine dining we're again and they've all been able to reduce their waistline and expand their life while i'm talking about elevated cholesterol we've brought it down so as not so much the. high and see how they're already in show you know in our lead an army here go ahead maybe go ahead jump in that's the point of the program. here is that here is a really i mean this is i resign said the you cannot you cannot solve today's problems using the mindset to create the problem you're coming from a diet mentality and a diet mentality is not what's going. save people i do you want to say never.

begins and so go he says you have not been the guy that's why you have time identifying with the challenges the motional challenges that people are faced with . recently you don't see where you are not even a who they are is showing people how they can literally be successful we've got a severe economic situation or their cultural identity you're the one who is placing judgment on people and stopping them from being able to maximize life based on their situation and circumstances and that my friend is what we define as wellness reading people we're the orange showing them how to make it work so it's education i just really knows we're talking about anymore ok jamie as you talk about that i don't know where you're going because you. go ahead we've got new york i come i come from a long line of these are you my mother my father my aunts my uncles my grandparents you know and i know just how difficult it is to maintain health i run four miles

a day i watch what i eat i do not call that going on a diet i just call that being responsible about what i eat i think that what we all have to do is figure out what kinds of foods we can eat that allow us to maintain health and it's not just about life expectancy it's about being well for the length of your life if you are sickly like my grandmother who has not gotten out of bed in four years not even go to the bathroom she lives in a twenty four hour care home she's now in renal failure all because of obesity i've seen my entire family suffer this i do know what i'm talking about it is about not just a fat tax you're right let's get you know let's look at the high sugar foods to people need to eat in a way that they can maintain healthy for the length of their life life and all those other words you're using i think you lost as on when you got hyperbolic the reality is it's very different very. well in this environment to control our impulses but we have to control our sex impulses we have to control other impulses

like they are and we also have to learn to control our food imports this food is a wonderful thing but we can be completely out of control with food all the time in the industry and lobbyist why to keep us out of control at all times a robbery with you if you were to me it would go with me if you want to. just we should be. allowed to address the sugar issue we're concerned. targeting sure who will encourage artificial sweeteners and these are actually can induce food cravings by creating an insulin response and. artificial sweeteners like aspartame a particularly toxic this is produced from g.m.o. bacteria and it breaks down into formaldehyde and methanol in the gut and we're going to see a lot more they split the ironic thing about the about the government's nutritional guidelines one of the most ironic things is over half of the calories proposed from

carbohydrates in the body breaks these all down into sugars and the only use of sugar in the diet really is energy and we've got excess carbohydrates in the body is putting this on the waist in the bottom everywhere you don't want it to be because we're just overloaded with carbohydrates through these starchy guidelines ok robert if you're right if the simple carbohydrates are exactly right complex carbohydrates like that symbols are a good thing but it's those simple carbohydrates that are very troublesome. actually. when you have truth because one of the problems with starchy carbohydrate is that you know you're actually have more calories you're off topic i'm not promoting stuff and see i'm not promoting stuff i'm not promoting starkey all right i want to i want to go to robert before we go to the break go ahead robert you said we're off topic go ahead. we're talking a lot of fat tax we all want people to be well and to live their best life that's what i do every day and it sounds like both of these people are are advocating the

same thing but the reality is we do not want to tax people for food again who use the term meaning what makes them healthy and i'm healthy that's the person i want to know and as a clinical justice i can't wait to have that want to one conversation all right we're going to know your you know who is near where you go to a short break out tonight you're able continue our discussion telling this on tax day with hardly. the. wealthy british style. market. find out what's really happening to the global economy

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listen. to. your local to remind you we're discussing paddy food taxation. ok me me and i to go back to you in new york well one night when the fat tax is mentioned a lot of people claim that it aids disappear just before suddenly hurts the poor because they have fewer choices they have less time to work at their hourly workers and in many cases i mean i was brought up in america there's not a great deal of not maybe better now but when i was growing up knowledge about nutrition is very very little if you're a working class family and you don't have much you're not earning well you don't have good health conditions i mean you fall into this trap of not eating healthy

food because number one it's relatively cheap. but it but you know what's expensive being sickly for decades you know it's expensive having diabetes two type two diabetes for decades that's what's really expensive eating broccoli black beans maybe some brown rice not expensive drinking water instead of sweetened drinks not expensive it's a myth that it is so expensive to eat reasonably it what is causing us in suffering and money is that we are bringing health this health crisis onto ourselves a full three quarters of our seven hundred fifty billion dollar health bill is a due to our lifestyle choices and we know as we've seen with higher taxes on tobacco and in denmark they've already been taxing candy and they've eliminated or minimized trans fat they have had a positive response we know in the us as we elevated the taxes on tobacco the higher the taxes go the consumption goes down so there is nothing wrong with taxing

soda there's nothing wrong with taxing under the theory ubiquitous products that when consumed do not promote health we're not talking about food we're talking about junk food really ok we were over what about that because let me go to google go ahead because i mean again they're all stressed the point here is that you know disproportionately poor people don't have access to high quality food and it's just a fact that it's a fact of life ok and there's a lot of lack of knowledge to even if you want to well you might not be able to afford it exactly and you just hit the nail on the here the key here is that you want to meet people where the are and this is where me me is told me missing the boat and that's because she is coming from a diet mentality i agree that broccoli is ideal i recommend it all the time but the same time i have clients who you know they are concentrating on the fact that their food is subsidized therefore when they go to their food bank they want to learn how

to eat the foods they have access to and i've been able to show them how to. actually do that in good grades with their overall health and as a result of the knowledge and feeling better about where they are then they're in a better position to get a better job to have more money so as education that i want to promote and i also must tax the people for our lack of education. that's what we are in the i think we are you know when he's a little less sure you should let philip go ahead go ahead. you know it's all about education and you know you need freedom of choice in order to be able to educate anybody about anything even and this gets rid of freedom of choice but. there isn't really any now who doesn't know that water is healthy for you if you want to do you. know safely in the diet but. it's not what i used to hate us we don't need to be awash in fat almost everyone in the night is

america in just way too much saturated fat that may not be true in every notion but in the most developed nations there is in london saturated fat you go west in price has a specific agenda to promote animal fat we all know that so i think that you come with a bias to say that animal fat is you know something that everyone. talks about say that we see a lot of stick on good or everyday. well let's take it let's just take one of your points about controlling sexual abuse well the sex hormones are produced from cholesterol we've got to. tell me about your actions around i know you say sex hormones are produced from cholesterol and we infertility is just off the charts right now. and these requests like butter and animal fats they're exactly what children need to grow healthy and strong they're what the elderly need the brain is more than sixty percent. restricting. and we're

not we're here for you know having. ok but anyway these schools and was. not giving this nutrient dense foods which they used to eat and were telling me not to eat ok. well i mean i love his passion but the focus here is on us should we or do we advocate you know people being taxed based on the foods that he and i say no and i say that because education is key meet people where they are and then as a result of that learning curve they'll be in a position where they can make the choices that are going to work best for them that's what it comes down to i mean we have writers on the other hand i can say these guys are all ok i mean if i can go to you i mean you want to make it let's make them where they are ok i was i think we would all agree to anything that was ok i think we would all agree that obesity is an epidemic ok in the into i mean where they are i guess what i mean you don't know why they will say well he doesn't

realize all right i don't tell you center basically point is my point is when we hear a word like epidemic that's a national international emergency now are we doing things to meet that emergency because for goodness sake i mean if you walk in all across the united states and i don't see if you see so much here in russia do i see younger people getting bigger and bigger because of the imported western diet so i mean what are these what is the agenda because if this is turning into such a health disaster which it is as we it's been pointed out on this program what has to be done without the government always being taking the lead i mean if we do it through schools family religion what me first. all of the above and you know what we need to stop concentrating on the people who are already overweight and obese we need to consecrate and concentrate on the zero preparedness e two age group it is about obesity prevention we need to do everything we can to stop mentioning

a new fat kid every single day every child in the last few years who has become obese that's on our watch we've all known better for many years now just how dangerous trans fats are high sugar consumption sweetened drinks and yet every day more and more children become obese it's about preprinted age five we need to take all of our funds all of our energy and concentrate on that segment if we want to reverse obesity rather what do you know that america has been doing. good for america has been during the since nine hundred seventy five promoting their. high carbohydrate diet and they've been pushing it precisely each group i don't know what i think. people are getting more peace. talking about taxes to enforce what they're really trying to push and that's going to make more of this i'm ok what do you think about that was philip philip in the united states you are generalizing so does not what we're advocating and pushing so maybe you

have to go to. the governor's remarks and what i mean there's you're going to go there i'm talking about. ok so enterprising very clearly united states are not following the guidelines of of of the government the reality is we need a methodology and the methodology that is going to work begins with education it keeps coming back to that i believe that everybody needs love in there by needs help and so i'm going to say let's focus on zero to five i'm all about let's focus on the individuals who are the ones who are the leaders and when you work with the leaders like the parents and the parents to make it work for them then kids always do what they see their parents do not so much what their parents tell them soul is not about going to the schools it's not. enough it's about meeting people and and look and when i say meet people where they are then that is i mean a person where they are that it takes compassion me me to be able to do that which when i'm getting from you you're definitely lacking and i mean it could be

insulting but you're truly missing that whole point needn't people who they are is caring and that's why i come out i really want to help you know the name. who has me in me who has mimi helps to reduce their waistline i want to hear how mimi has been able to make a big impact on helping people that's what i want to hear ok meat as you answer this is turning into your program so go right ahead. yes here you will see a solution i certainly i certainly have testified on behalf of calories the list listings of many reports of people had more information i testified on behalf of the soda tax i've changed school food i've been involved with getting the. supply in america i get countless e-mails and phone calls every day from the people that i've helped i do not put people on diets i've never advocated anyone going on a diet diet simply means the kind of food we eat we all have

a diet we all eat something but going on a diet i have never advocated nor have i ever done and so i'm not you know i don't need my and in this whole show to be about me while i appreciate the attention my belief is about reversing the obesity trend and if you really want to reverse the obesity trend we see that ninety percent of those who gain weight and lose it again it back so the idea is to prevent every convention means pre-trained see to age five ok if you're going to reason why. not because you know the low fat diet does not provide the body the nutrients are requires to first so it will fit him and all these essential fats that are really necessary for the body you know your joints like assert sixty percent of the brain is fact the lungs are very fast you're going . this is exactly what the body needs to develop and be healthy ok robert what do you know we're almost out of time you get three found a natural faster and grass fed animals i'm not talking about the journal that people are eating fast food ok robert is it here is usually the war against obesity

ok because there seems to be so many different approaches on how to do with it. yeah that was part of the problem of the different approaches and as you get to hear me doesn't really have an answer she says are you doing about things that you know i'm sure there's some good comes out of it but we want to method we want to show people how to make the world with only. real life that requires people with various values they feel my you know people i love people me i give me your ear. there are people who are actually listening and who will watch this program and you're insulting them you'll realize and that's why i'm hoping that you realize let's not insult here is an example of that at the end of the day as i mean larry shall we have all this air really want. to see you sunday three used to paying your people. this is basically your place in a case like this recession we've run out of time with

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