oh i'm sorry no washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture occupy l.a. and occupied philly are no more at least physically so with two of the largest patriot camps a wiped out by law enforcement what's next with a ninety nine percent move and in this weeks alone liberal rumble inquiring minds want to know how much longer can the g.o.p. justify protecting the interests of the one percent at the expense of the rest of the country.

you know this more midnight raids against the occupy movement forty eight hours after of fiction deadlines came and went in philadelphia los angeles police moved into both occupations dismantled the camps and arrested hundreds of peaceful patriots in los angeles home of the nation's oldest and largest occupation roughly fourteen hundred police surrounding demonstrators gave them a ten minute warning to leave and then moved in arresting upwards of two hundred ninety people and trashing hundreds of tents and supplies reports the l.a.p.d. selected a few official journalists to cover the raid and then block others those who were selected were banned from tweeting the event live by two am the occupy l.a. and camp and was no more following the raid the los angeles mayor via a grocer issued a statement reading at approximately twelve thirty am the l.a.p.d. begin enforcing the closure of city hall park after giving those in the park

a final opportunity to leave without facing arrest or in a park closure a first amendment area will remain open in the spring street city hall steps i don't recall the first amendment giving people the right to peaceably assemble as long as it's in a designated free speech zone as determined by a bear i was kind of figured the free speech zone was this thing called the united states of america the entire country. anyway meanwhile in philadelphia it was the same story take a look at riot police on horseback forcing occupiers out of the city of brotherly love in camp. this is getting out of control. theory ok. we do this. now live right now. this is playing out right right here on succeed you see dogs. out sears on their horses. are using the

horses took the protesters back. around fifty people were arrested there joining me now on the phone is a man who is the middle of it all in philadelphia james said his junior is the president of the united steelworkers local ten and one he was arrested during the raid on occupy philly it was released from jail just within the last hour jim welcome thanks doc thanks for joining us tell us what happened. yeah i'm glad you're out what happened last night. well occupy philly got to get. most of the occupiers. sort of took off for mobile protests through a center city you. stayed there it don't work. we got a crew was going to arrest that. was the arrest the consequence of your not moving on when asked to or simply being there at the time of. you know when they came in

a crash on this guy now zachary we were on first piece street right outside of the workwise and they gave us several warnings to. get out of the street which we. respectfully decline and. spend a day in jail for. you're the you're the president of one of the local unions or the local steelworkers union what. what's the profile these days that you know the the occupy movement is portrayed so much in the media particularly by g.o.p. t.v. you know fox news as basically you know kids teenagers whatever unemployed. hippies is the phrase that commonly comes out and yet you know that's not the image that comes to mind when people say united steelworkers. is in need is a group as the group is a group as diverse as your presence there would tend to represent. certainly

certainly a lot of young folks there that are that are related to a great poem these whenever they want to talk is kids get it they're being handed for the first time and in this our country's history they are being handed a country with less opportunity than their parents that. pretty upset about that but we've been support them we we can't necessarily occupy out of the sort of myself from occupier we were up there today that they they set up their tents the first morning and welfare and maybe a dozen times of the three days to walk around to support him and i went up sunday when he when the eviction was supposed to take place. last night we found out that it was going on so we took off a player there just to support him and. these folks are saying the same thing the

labor movement were saying for thirty years. you know just how they get portrayed in the media you know we start with you bill but baptists hopefully. you know. part of the reason i'm there is to split our white nor message of me out of court is you know maybe it's a little bit harder pretrial him as going to these dirty hippies now i think it's the message is getting out jim absolutely rick perry today was calling for banks to go to jail i mean that tells you that but the occupy movement has changed the dialogue sir thanks so much for being with us tonight and for for standing up for your constitutional rights last night pushy to talk keep up the good work thank you too and now for the latest on the crackdowns in los angeles and where each movement goes from here and welcome back claire davis media person with occupy los angeles and from new york sarah seltzer journalist and associate editor alter net rock'n both of you. let me start with you clark what happened last night in l.a.

. it was unbelievable at every level basically a blitzkrieg from the l.a.p.d. fourteen hundred police officers pretty much storming and surrounding the entire city hall in a matter of minutes. i've never seen anything like it before i don't think the l.a. police department has ever done in like that before lots of media outlets james or or much of the clark are praising the police for their restraint. i don't i haven't seen any reports of serious injuries we didn't see any video of people being pepper sprayed and things would you agree that you know setting aside the fact that this took down the movement that at least the response was was reasonable. yes i can absolutely say without a doubt it was reasonable considering you know what was happening there considering

what had happened there. there was a literally not a single incidence i saw either police brutality in any way shape or form we did have a few people shot with beanbags they were held up in a tree they were the last you know occupiers to be pulled out of city hall of the park there. but other than that i think they behaved incredibly well and i actually got to commend them for the ok and and water occupy l.a. is next plans yeah that's the real question i had a very difficult time getting organized there was a very challenging environment to work in right in the midst of you know one of the biggest homeless populations in the country we were overwhelmed with issues that we were basically incapable of dealing with effectively we were not police officers were not social workers and yet we spent most of our time dealing with issues that we basically were prepared to deal with so it really kept us i think from doing the

work that we that many of us came there to do. i think last night proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that that the movement is a peaceful movement in a nonviolent movement i think it's going to bring a lot show a lot of you know bring a lot of light to what we always said that we were we prove that we were bad last night and i think that i think it is going to be very positive for us i think the real issue now is can we unite under a common a common message and a common vision we are unable to do that when we're on the ground this may help us move in that direction i think the next couple days will get an idea of how we could possibly regroup it's a little unclear to me. right now is some of her thoughts on that sarah without the occupations the physical occupations now where does this movement seem to be going. such an interesting question there's two sides to it on the one hand it's

absolutely true that sort of dated in mechanics or running these caps is no longer a hindrance to the met you have to negotiate over tents and the kitchen and some of the every day logistical issues that were inspiring and also difficult for the occupations on the other hand there isn't that point place that serves as kind of the umbrella the banner for everyone who wants to come down you know on their free time on their lunch breaks you know they can do it how i and some of those physical occupations broker rate because they were kind of the coalition this physical space with the coalitions you have the energy fracking people and you know that you know who are most passionate about the banks all kind of meeting together in one place so the challenge and i think i think what's happening in new york is people are continuing to organize around some of these this and since we have people tonight demonstrating have rocking out a fracking hearing demonstrating an obama either is or there's a there's an art installation being planted on broadway so the movement is

continuing forward and you know there's no lost momentum but the question is what will that. that common space and back it going to do everything and yet in liberty plaza on sunday to talk about that very issue and how they ten how they can recreate that without occupation i think it will be possible but i think that is sort of the major challenge that the activism will continue the flashpoints will continue the rallies will continue oh well what will be our overarching bridge between all the different constituent groups in the last minute we have here the nurses in the united states of a rally in solidarity with the british strikers of basically shut down that country today that. it seems to me like that's a logical point of intersection with the occupy movement here in the united states as well is that perhaps the direction of things will. absolutely and i really hope that even more i mean i know that protesters if you're here and that people like

the nurses the different groups do you see it certainly see themselves as being part of one global revolution and i hope that technology and communication will enable it with that local groups to continue to be built and that these sort of empty out stary and these general strikes and you know these massive movements in europe will be an inspiration for what happens next here in secret sarah thank you very much and clarke thank you very much for being with us. you're welcome tom thank you appreciate it spike the fact that one by one police have moved in to break up occupations all across america the movie lives on and it's the best thing america's got going for us right now. it's time for our daily poll your chance to tell us what you think a new report says states that have legalized medical marijuana have seen a nine percent drop in traffic fatalities so here's today's question will popular

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over four thousand people have been arrested in occupy wall street. what he calls whatever's exercising averse human rights and the raids in the middle and i journals banned police using chemical weapons egyptian state t.v. so that they were just a. firing tear gas into crowds because the police here are doing it at the senate is now on the edge of passing a law that will make it possible to indefinitely detain anyone to say you have there you daniel are a terrorist and therefore you're going to go to jail forever without ever seeing a judge without ever having a loyal clause that tom this is the defense authorization act and. i'm serious and i know you're serious but actually has you know you would guy i am i actually have i think what you're referring to right here and what it says at this is just it's thousand page bill and this is just the small provision and it says the covered persons are only the people who were involved in the september eleventh attacks

were be are are the taliban associated worst of the january here i read it yesterday. the language and it goes on just which is frankly not everyone it's only a couple and they are terrorists and they have the clear word to us and it's a it's a it's totally different than how they're described so it is defining these covered persons who gets to define every person's. it's be a rule of law we have a system in place because of yes yes and you yes it was you know you have to show get you have to you have to get a warrant from a judge it's not as though book you don't have the same you don't have the same stuff and you know that that's the way the video finish looks the one that i the rest of it says that it's up to the executive branch to the present case yes and so if the president decides that you are a terrorist you don't get to see a lawyer you don't get see a judge you're telling me this is consistent with the fourth fifth sixth and seventh and eighth amendment of the constitution well if these people are in

pakistan it's all right for us to know in your own this system that it's all right for us to stand drones on those who are in america how come it's not all out right for i don't think you're right if people don't think it's all right for us to be targeting people for death in pakistan either but that's not the issue the issue is that is this one a police state looks like is that the direction that we're going but i think. to be fair you know people have said that senator mccain and levin to this dark of night and kind of put this in you know without a lot of was knowing about it was during the day but it was i'm going to say it in secret i'm using dark of night meaning that you know when knew about it if that's the case then you know it should be reviewed it should be and we should have a lot of these bills we have are you familiar with more goals of them yes i am i did not pass and only and you had two republicans who said yes to that one of those rand paul and rand paul came out and said this bill is going to it's going to turn the entire united states to me that republicans democrats were forever when saying thomas don't make this a democrat republican why wasn't it there are six democrats voted for the you know

amendment that strips this this it's a war forever the president can put anybody who wants in prison and the only two republicans were. grand paul and he has another amendment he has an image that does something very similar and that i don't think that's been debated or decided on yet i was going to say that this is why is this partisan you know i mean it's more love and i was that was a great guy it's not dispose not as hard as important bipartisan opposition i think that's what this would translate in the house if it was it was a publican's democrats support it republicans democrats were against it and in the senate got the same sort of thing i think some people pay were the rand paul amendment more of them so they're pretty much saying well i'm whatever reason you know for my or differences they have more support for their goals recalled well that's whatever as i said only two republicans voted for that's fine all i'm saying is though there there are many of these representatives and senators who have reason to pas and that's fine and unfortunately these bills are huge i mean i do

not like the whole process of having us here following up on this court has ruled supreme court but this is free speach. but if you were to stitch this into a tent bunch of these it's not free speech but of course just you know will die last week while you have every right to stitch that into ten no i i wouldn't advise wasting your money like that i think might be cheaper than sometimes. forgoing very low it's i don't think it's waterproof so it is actually the metadata you know and so it sounds i don't know this i'm going to make it my own ability to decide if i are going to show. what is happening or for free speech in america where we're turning the world into a battlefield we're turning america into battle i know probably was there is no where in which you cannot express your freedom of speech i don't know in the united states exists and it's thriving it's the best place in the world for it and there

it's not comparative why we have free speech zones that is that is created by the occupy movement which is it which insurance is the first actually created during the clinton ministers. i don't know when the president that's that big it's already doesn't exist i'm here because it's like a real thing it's like this it's a real thing if you step outside you get arrested so well over one on this republican said today that they'd agree to extend the payroll tax cut this payroll tax cut but only if the proposal of the democrats the president was ok we and let's extend this payroll tax cut the that is only paid this is a tax it's only paid by people making from zero literally from zero from the in their first dollar from zero to one hundred eighty six thousand dollars year after that people don't pay a penny of this so. what the democrats said was let's cut that tax by three percent and make up for it by saying anybody who has an income over one million dollars let's see a penny a tax on the first million additional tax but after that the million and one dollar

will see an extra three cents on the dollar taxed and the republicans said no we won't go along with that instead what you've got to do is fire a bunch of federal workers which is going to make the recession worse it's going to increase unemployment what the republican the republican position has been that that payroll tax. should be permanently extended that the cap cut you put is mostly good. yes that they don't care should be don't want to just you know somebody doesn't do much good it doesn't do much good if you know that you're going to get this tax break for the next year and you know that economic times are tough and most people i think save money and invest money rather than spend a lot of people making one of the thousand dollars a year on to be saving money does not save there's not i think it's iranians to suggest that cutting federal jobs you know help you know further. economic ruin

whereas taxing millionaires doesn't mean they're the job creators it should be no seriously go and i keep on i mean there are hundreds right here and months now. but they are an add on creator so you know i'm also saying three cents on the dollar after you were in a million bucks is going to cause somebody to say. romney has made it has made it clear that he doesn't pull at some points now now he seems to have changed and even he has believed that and so did president j.f.k. and various others that one shouldn't raise taxes in a recession i mean i don't see why i don't see why you're taking such a radical position on this were to raising taxes in the middle of a recession hampers growth that's close to recovery first of all it's not i don't know why your take there is there is generally no demonstrated effect of that there is there is none and you've seen taxes raised during recessions and during times of growth and you seem to actually cut during this is a position that during times of growth and i'm talking about like from twenty percent to ninety percent and from seventy you know from ninety from seventy four percent down twenty percent it doesn't significantly affect the economy. it's not

it's not a tax rate but what the tax rate does is it affects whether or not you're going to bubbles when you've got the top marginal tax rate above fifty percent you don't have bubbles in your comments below fifty percent you do that's demonstrably you i mean look at one hundred years of tax history i think that what the democrats solution it seems for all of our ills is cute tax millionaires i mean but they're overtaxed but they really had we had four decades of incredible growth in this country when after you made a million bucks you paid seventy percent of income tax but you just said that tax for example have anything to do with growth so what is it that the tax rates have something to do with growth or do they not have something to do with growth where she doesn't think that was what is really where you're suggesting that it has something to do with growth that is not solid stable growth that was not a bubble driven growth we've had bubble driven growth when you drop your tax rates and we've had solid stable growth and high tax rates. i guess i am so much of the country but here's my thing is that i think you even if you go even with its i

would cross the floor but even if all the millionaires in this country gave all everything that they have to our government we still be in a hole so they can't be the solution we there's enough people who are really rich now that you know you could tax the people who have an income over a million dollars raise about a trillion bucks that's a lot of love and all yeah well recently the whole it's not the solution for me no it's it's could be any with a debt and it's a beginning ok we have to drop careers anymore and i'm going to have a question this is this is kind of a. cultural question i guess a conservative liberal cultural question because i'm baffled by this herman cain has now been accused of having sex with more people than most men have sex with in their lives and or something close to that and first of all he was in when it came to light that he had paid off eighty thousand bucks on social harassment claims pretty awful stuff he was defended by everybody i mean sean hannity was out there defending him everybody was defending and they went after the

women they call them names that you know bloody bloody bloody didn't didn't hurt him in the polls didn't hurt him with the republican base now it comes out that he's had a thirteen year apparently friendly and loving relationship with somebody and all of a sudden his base is horrified and we're so harassed minister not about sexual harassment charges which is not easy as in box which is not sex by the way sexual harassment charges verses an illicit extramarital affair ok so it's that it wasn't consummate but you know not sure they were charges but i'm saying these are charges unsubstantiated you know a thing as a but actually known substantially all i'm saying is you can easily say that those were not very well but it's not say ensured that he had a but he had a relationship with this woman either he's denying it so there are times you know what unsubstantiated the premise of your question is wrong getting the cup. with it i mean over the last week newt gingrich has that lead taken the lead then mitt romney and herman cain has filed down to to the teens and even lower in

a lot of the polls i mean and i heard you give. our viewers a sergeant as to i mean here's a news item that was allegedly did he or is a present for you is why should you say you know you can't choices about herman i mean i think in his latest accuser only came and only came out a couple days ago i think the problem with herman cain i don't like herman cain had i was problematic on a number of levels. i mean these phrases problems as far as being the next president didn't have anything to do with i don't see why he was ever seriously running for this and i think he's going to ever see results as that or here's my serious question is it and let me just rephrase it why is it that massaging me doesn't seem to upset the republican base whether it's new or this guy and and extramarital affairs make them crazy as they did with bill clinton as they are now that i mean that's why this example isn't good because because which is the wage sexual harassment happened. the allegations of the sexual harassment happened then

within a couple weeks herman cain of falling from the poll so your question your question i don't think is is accurate i argue that he would phone from the polls regardless and it just so happened that betty coincided with this i mean he wasn't a serious candidate i think republicans do care about sexual harassment charges i think it made him look bad i think they care about family they care about these things and i think there were he had his defenders there were people who believed in him and in his character i want to they want to hear from how they had it as you say that as a woman they death those charges definitely concerned me and i think what happened was you had a sexual harassment claims and then you have this on top of that that is it that made him so i don't mind this is the struggle oh yeah yeah i mean you have special rights and charges but you know a lot of people can be have that opinion and finger pointed at them for that but you're talking about an illicit sexual affair this wife had no idea about she seemingly is baffled by it and that's why he's going. dropping out and unfortunately he never had a campaign set up to deal with these sort of crisis communication issues he wasn't

ever a seriously never had again you know and i think newt gingrich is going to have a similar challenge and he supposedly had you know a conversion experience that gives him a clean slate and you know we are forgiving people in that we do recognize that you know christ does give you a clean slate if you actually do you can really have a conversion news challenge though is going to be to convince the evangelical vote you just did that he actually is not just because you know this jailhouse convergence we have there you go we got to move out of it with her question the ron paul campaign has announced a hot new item in the campaigns for a cook book. carol has published the ron paul family cookbook it's healing for eight bucks plus shipping and handling yet on now for christmas according to the book description there are twenty eight pages of tasty recipes from the paul family and friends unclear from cain who will likely be returning it was the job for soon offered a pizza recipes for but for cooking enthusiasm and libertarians is one heck of a great book so what's your favorite recipe it is a brand rum balls filled with liquid turn you psychopathic b and the fed funnel

cake maybe seven point seven trillion of sugar or see paul's pot brownies laced with all the legalize drugs. interesting enough i was reading about this could quit today and he abstain from alcohol so there are no grandmas in there there and i think we're caught cooking up problems as he put so there may be pot brownies but no out of any recipes for pork in there he's sworn off either that i don't probably has an upward i don't know if he doesn't believe i don't look at him and think a lot of the whole idea but it's perfect i trust a skinny chef ok that's my suggestion is what my suggestion would be that it's a sauteed road kill squirrel for people who have lost their food stamps. so there you know thank you bill thanks thanks for coming up on the big. brother big picture the next big financial bubble just inflated to three trillion dollars he should be surprised by that who stands to profit from this bubble going.