this is hardly the first poem the pakistani cell from two thousand and four in the fall of the united states is not the first time the pakistani citizens killed by the united states were breaking up is hard to do when the u.s. and pakistan relationship is on life support so what happens in tie between the two countries collapsed completely. and if the massacre of the us doesn't want you to know about thousands of taliban prisoners of war killed and then burry both by the dirt and paperwork because according to the bush administration all is fair in the war on terror. and speaking of all it's fair

bring on the waterboarding and enhanced interrogation tactics that's right the u.s. senators don't see a problem with returning to our tortured past. it's thursday december first seven pm in washington d.c. i listen while you're watching our team. well we start this hour with what could be one of the worst atrocities in the war on terror yet many americans don't even know what happened this month marks the ten year anniversary of the mass for that so police and afghanistan it has been a dash to lately is located in the desert of northern afghanistan near shore gargan charges that enough and warlord took custody of south of the taliban prisoners from u.s. forces and then allowed them to die witnesses say that prisoners were crammed in some metal containers and transported to show bargain prison fort but many of them

did not make it to their destination alive over a three day period some witnesses say up to three thousand suffocated to death or were sprayed by bullets their bodies thrown into a mass grave at the site general of bill rashid dostum the afghan leader that charge of this operation happens to be a u.s. ally it's unclear what role the u.s. played by u.s. forces were stationed nearby in some way to say the united states knew all about this at the time the bush administration refused to look into the incident claiming it was an internal matter for the afghan authorities in spite of promises by president obama to investigate one year later what exactly happened and the role the u.s. played in the events remains a mystery well in two thousand and two a team actually did go to afghanistan and investigate the grave site that dasht e leili and they made a film documenting their discovery it's called afghan massacre the convoy of death here's a piece of it. after breakfast before but in time after more phones and some of

them songs will soon run good to the northern alliance and u.s. special forces underground in t.v. but the rights would be spared. today up to three thousand roubles men line and remark doesn't agree and he repente as a human rights lawyer who actually participated in the investigation back in two thousand and two and he joins me now from london thank you for coming on the show on fly understand you paid a visit to the site what did you discover yes i was invited to go up. to begin with i was invited by the filmmaker james taylor to look at the evidence he leds which was if you have it and saw the dust like the sites it was interviews with that is i mean this is and it was you know testimonies including one guy he said he was actually in full killings selling that

i went with jamie dornan to afghanistan and was it dusty lightly did they thought there were both these there there were hundreds if not thousands that an exact number still disputed it was your remains sticking out of the ground underneath my feet there where. there was evidence of shootings out in taking place for example we picked up some spent culture just. that was human rights lawyer injured we can see we obviously are having technical problems of all trying to get him back. right now we're going to turn to we're going to take a look at a relationship that is growing more troubled relationships between the united states and pakistan they seem to have reached a new low they thought their nato forces accidentally killed at least twenty four pakistani soldiers now pakistan is taking action keeping u.s.

aircraft out of the country the relationship between the two countries already rocking after the u.s. sweep then in a raid to capture and kill osama bin laden now the pakistani prime minister warns there will be no more quote business as usual in washington president obama had this to say about relations with the country we will constantly evaluate our relationship with pakistan. based on is overall this helping to protect americans and our interests but there's no doubt that. you know we're not going to feel comfortable with a long term strategic relationship with pakistan if we don't think that they're mindful of our interests as well. so are the ties between the u.s. and pakistan on the brink of breaking are the corresponding marina part and i hope a closer look at the strained for strained relationship relationships are never

easy when it comes to the partnership between america and pockets than the sugar daddy of this geo political alliance has turned out to be islamic gods those dangerous fronts in a post nine eleven world focused on joined forces with the us in the war on terror receiving roughly eighteen billion dollars in return over the past ten years yet hundreds of rockets on the civilians have been killed in u.s. drone strikes targeting terrorists most recently nato had to admit it's killed two dozen pakistani soldiers. this says protestors onto the streets of islam but torching an effigy of president barack obama burning american flags and demanding an immediate divorce from its american partner this is hardly the first time the pakistani sovereignty has been infringed

by the united states is not the first time that pakistani citizens have been killed the united states and its allies it seems to be the case now that the united states regards pakistan as a kind of free fire zone in which its liberty to abuse the country's sovereignty with no need for poll if you will regress needle has called the incident tragic and unintended thomas thing to investigate the killings the pakistani government has demanded the u.s. viki an air base used for drone attacks it's also closed a vital u.s. military supply route to afghanistan a third to half of all supplies that go to the nato forces go through pakistan so this is going to have a major impact there's no question about of it the u.s. rift between the two countries came six. months ago when the us violated pakistani sovereignty to assassinate osama bin laden we've lost respect because people now

fear the united states because we're like a drunken person will go to war anywhere if you threaten us now prime minister has come out and said there would be no more business as usual with washington then out to clear choices today it's automatic i saw the police speak and i wrote to expand the war and comment because from a whole point of the front is not going to be a deal it's going to give the third world war and i'm warning them and warning everyone pocket that has been america's main ally in the region for decades but constant abuse of the partnership by the us has driven a wedge between the two then he believes that pakistan's kate highlights that a u.s. bearing gifts well later stop at nothing to get what it wants perino for niall artsy new york and to talk more about the implications of all this earlier i spoke to scott horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for

harper's magazine he told me why you left and pakistani relations have hit an all time low take a look. i think there's no question about this since i can stand independence the relationship has never been as torn and says right now this last year two thousand and eleven has been the rockiest year yet in a relationship and you know the very specific incidents that punctuate the first to be early in the year week at. the arraignment davis'. acting cia station chief who shot and killed two pakistanis who turned out to be intelligence or exuberance then of course we had the osama bin ladin raid which i think from the perspective of us was a must had to be done and fully justified but nevertheless was hugely embarrassing to a sense of course it really revealed the fact that he was there obviously operating

under the protection of senior military figures and the rate went off without giving permission for pakistani authorities and now we have this latest incident where we've been at the twenty four pakistani soldiers so we have two incidents there really are serious mistakes that the americans made and that's seriously degraded to relationship now we're seeing pakistan and if taking action they ordered the u.s. to get out and take care and around along with them is this a sign a pakistan is now more willing to stand up to washington. well i think you know we have to realize first of all that the pakistani state is not a monolith in fact we can view it has slid down the middle there is an enormous military and intelligence establishment the general staff and the high ass i bet has for decades been either in fact it's war and the government by pushing out of

popularly elected as civilian governments or it's been a sort of an interstate that really runs the country. from within perhaps the relationship bet is the most stretched at this point out of trust yes i've been there is the relationship with the elected civilian government and matt actually is pretty good standing in remarks you just heard from the prime minister . so if they do break on if continues to go down how what does that mean for the war on terror you know there's fears that the pakistani military might cooperate with the taliban and what would this plan mean. well i think we have to if you would first of all a larger geo political contacts because certainly figures in is on about do so to stand has carefully cultivated over decades an alternative great our

relationship and that is with china and i mean the at lee after this border incident there were reports circulating in arkansas and of the chinese will be given the go ahead to construct a naval facility on pakistani soil so i think you see that development. bill i think it's unlikely that we see a complete terminations of a relationship with the united states i think it's more likely that you'd see a pakistani back down on the extensive operations that the u.s. intelligence community have in pakistan the cia the cia clearly has hundreds of covert operatives there it's been operating an enormous drone war two hundred seventy two strikes by grown since two thousand and four system for seven years i dispute by the united states is a code word action covert operation but is really nothing about it it's reported on

it's fully understood it's rightly discussed in part a step more there than here i think most likely that's going to be the particular target that the pakistani military and intelligence service. and that was contributing editor out harper's magazine scott horror and still ahead here on our team from a tortured past to enhanced interrogation of the future no matter what you call it if you laugh a little blood thirsty any of days or at least the senate anyways that story next. lindsey lowe and keep hold of the reach of these women nothing people are so to speak she's told her no she says she's a star. in the lead.

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keeping torture of alive a bill in the senate is calling for return to bush era torture a freshman lawmaker introduced the amendment which would undo president obama's executive order banning torture as an interrogation technique that amendment also aims to bring back a quote class fights that of torture tactics so this would deem certain forms of torture as allowed but the public isn't allowed to know what they are so why is congress so gung ho about using torture tactics they answer that i spoke to blogger entry that contributor dr jeff here's his take. it was most likely political although it is well above. the advance so called irrigation. of the bush cheney years that were supposedly what i meant by

president obama an executive order with him in the office. point that i make in my article and truth about him out yesterday is that this. covers up the fact that torture already exists in what is the alternative to the enhanced interrogation techniques that is in the current army. so you're saying and torture i already did that's what are some examples of torture that is already happening well very very few people in the press coverage of the pointed out that the army field manual divides prisoners into two different groups one are the standard for you or me others are people who are we were in terror the thingy those with out the geneva protections and there's a special appendix we're circumspectly them is known as appendix m.

of the army field manual which originally was supposed to be the brits but overlooking it was. a republic then maybe some democrats. and this is the special techniques of use of long term isolation sleep deprivation. the sensory deprivation in. the international arena recently called torture instead this was torture by a role in the british were in the memory so you named a few there that are ready that now they're talking about adding things to that list and this list is classified so not really as a policy now or find out what it is the love could be a tactic possibly be a. well the enhanced interrogation techniques which were drawn from the military your survival as a resistance an innovation were things like waterboarding. water

dowsing which was to induce paper in the evening and locking them up and smallpox them like boxes of stress positions because of the. more physical. torture where is were they having the appendix them or what is a psychological torture breaking down the proverbial isolation deprivation sleep deprivation and so with this classified list why keep it secret why not be transparent and come out and say this isn't what's happening this is what's allowed why is that a big secret well i wish i knew i think that when you have it's part of the torture was the you don't know what's coming it increases things or maybe. in that . or like senator graham and others have said senator or the amendment you know so we don't want these people to know what's coming then they

care or frankly almost all of these have been available online in the hide a manual that they used to talk about. the members supposedly read to prepare for capture certainly went in for a number of these different techniques or you've been divided between the different kinds of treatment or abuse you might get from say a state police agency like the f.b.i. intelligence agencies like the cia that is already known and really to hide it from the american people. so do the charity methods comply with international norms for example do they comply with the geneva convention. no they do not know either or interrogation methods a number of them in the army field manual that certainly do or compliant with any of it but none of these enhanced interrogation techniques from the bush cheney years there was a speaking of such as waterboarding nor are the ones that already are in and

examine the current army field manual. which again is isolation pervasion sensory deprivation putting god black out goggles and blindfold your muslim people who are pro hours remember more which recent literature looting and. former secretary of defense rumsfeld. showed the were you know can cause problems and missions and serious problems and. in the appendix of what kind of an interrogation method this country is doing great now when they say we've got to have medical experts standing by these methods are dangerous and i want to add a. third interrupt you there but basically the arguments proponents of torture. and their arguments are all in the name of safety does the u.s. need to go this route this route in order to stay safe around terrorist threats.

well i'm not a consultant of the american government service perhaps but. again this is a question it's like is it makes no sense the united states has already signed a treaty invention against torture with dozens and dozens of other companies says there is never in your views or torture. it doesn't matter if there's a ticking time bomb or not this is the treaty signed by the united states government and in fact when people and experts have looked at things like that taking time bomb scenario it doesn't play out anyway well you already know that they are gone. when you already have a lot of information already and no one can ever point to the situation where. someone has been tortured in the summer you know their lives and say they may claim it let them come forward. yet thank you so much for your thoughts on that that was

a blogger and truthout contributor dr jack k. . and we're going to take a short break but coming up as the exact right that continues to ravage europe italy continues to cut costs yet some in the government have other ideas on how to tackle the debt crisis a military action that has many crying economic spots out bar that next. the state or so police production of eight but the fact that nobody seems to know. that every pepper sprayed the face but the argument that they're being overly dramatic.

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of the euro zone continues to try to claw its way out of economic collapse italy finds itself in the middle of a severe crisis with a country that nearing the two trillion euro mark now has the talent to prepare themselves to tie and end their belts and save the government has other plans one that critics consider economic suicide are birth as more. this is the day by me playing the combine to fight the need to listen to the push it's still in the development stage final assembly line is supposed to be paid in italy. everything's cool entry plan the town of the bar is a kilometer from the military base where the final stage of the f.

thirty five protect its place to take place the people here have taken to the streets to oppose what they say is a waste of an italian taxpayers' money and t. is a very expensive project and now that we are in crisis you know that. is cutting pensions. school education. public health and so on the strike fighter program that is its name is a defense project based on international ethics with the u.s. military in italy just some of the participants. for united states. and that's why you. are such a costly venture this least the citizens purchase one hundred thirty one of these planes developed by american company looking martin set the country back some

thirteen billion euros and the projects come under widescale scrutiny to be an eva shuttle and even budgets to keep in the current is extremely expensive by project is possible. well first of all. a lot of the local county and politicians promised jobs and so people thought well great and then we start to say well you know jobs in watts it's very expensive even in moments of crisis like now to spend money on these planes at a moment like this is absolutely ridiculous it's making people really angry at least of europe now might in the eurozone crisis leslie itself now if you teach billion euros in dance taxpayers here say they're tired of their country participating in military spending they don't want. now it's the right time. expense.

for projects we don't need. despite the government sites and when the people here over with promises of job creation they remain unconvinced the project that they call economic suicide to us so. well that other for now are more of the stories we covered but r.t. dot com slash usa and again we apologize but we weren't able to bring you the story on the secret mass grave site in afghanistan known as dr lay away but come back here and a half hour and we will be sure to bring you all the details of the u.s. doesn't want you to know and don't forget to check out our you tube page it's youtube dot com slash r t america you can also follow me on twitter liz wall i'll see you right back here at. r.g.p. with the world interpreter.